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"I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong."
"I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this." -- Steve Jobs

Steve Jobs was no friend to Google's Android operating system as witnessed by numerous lawsuits filed against Android partners this past year. Android-based smartphones were seen as a mere annoyance when they first broke onto the scene in late 2008, but by early 2010, Steve Jobs was growing a bit tired of the inroads Google and its partners were making on its turf. That's when the lawsuits started, with HTC getting the first jab from Apple.
 
Things got so heated between Apple and Google that former Google CEO (and current chairman) Eric Schmidt stepped down from his position on Apple's Board of Directors.



Now with Steve Jobs' biography nearing its October 24 release, a number of excerpts have been leaked out to the public including Jobs' incredible disdain for the Android operating system and what he saw as blatant theft on the part of Google. According to the Associated Press, which purchased a copy of the book early, Jobs launched into a profanity-laced tirade when speaking to biographer Walter Isaacson about Android:
 
I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong. I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this.
 
In a later meeting with Schmidt (likely the meeting discussed here), Jobs made it clear that he had no plans to settle on this matter:
 
I don't want your money. If you offer me $5 billion, I won't want it. I've got plenty of money. I want you to stop using our ideas in Android, that's all I want.
 
Since that time, Google definitely hasn't backed down with Android, and its position in the market place has only gotten stronger. According to ComScore, Google's Android operating system is installed on 43.7% of smartphones in the U.S. compared to 27.3% for Apple. Likewise, Android's share of the market globally is just under 50% compared to 19% for Apple according to Canalys.

Source: Associated Press



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Too late.
By IronChef75 on 10/20/2011 11:05:43 PM , Rating: 5
Too bad you dead, yo.




RE: Too late.
By priusone on 10/20/2011 11:14:39 PM , Rating: 5
It will be interesting to see how much damage he does in hell. I hope he's not running the joint by the time I get there.


RE: Too late.
By lagomorpha on 10/21/2011 1:18:26 AM , Rating: 1
I wouldn't worry about it. They reserve the 0th level for real degenerates.


RE: Too late.
By ekv on 10/23/2011 3:11:05 AM , Rating: 3
And you know how Apple hates jail-breaking.


RE: Too late.
By lordcheeto on 10/23/2011 11:06:41 AM , Rating: 4
He's dead because he's an egotistical prick and thought he was invincible. Same reason Apple fights Google and Samsung for competing.


RE: Too late.
By MikeMurphy on 10/24/2011 12:10:19 PM , Rating: 3
I have a tough time seeing how Android is ripping off iOS, OTHER than some of Samsung's customizations (which visually are a ripoff of iOS).

Stock Android and iPhone are nowhere near the same platform.

Jobs was a smart guy but I just can't figure out what he saw as being a rip-off. Maybe he just didn't like new competition that didn't exist when the iPhone was first released?


RE: Too late.
By StanO360 on 10/24/2011 5:40:55 PM , Rating: 2
I realize it's not identical, but I installed an iOS theme on my Android. Ahhh! I couldn't imagine going back, it's stifling. WP7 is at least interesting. Obviously a lot of people like iOS. But I agree, there are not a lot of similarities except for little icons.


RE: Too late.
By kaosstar on 10/25/2011 12:50:42 PM , Rating: 1
He didn't see anything being ripped off. This is all about money.


RE: Too late.
By FITCamaro on 10/21/2011 7:33:09 AM , Rating: 5
He's already suing the devil for using heat which Apple invented with their hardware that runs incredibly hot.

But seriously. This is why I hate Apple and don't care that Jobs died. He claims Android is stolen yet most of Apple's "ideas" were stolen from academia. They just happened to patent them once they became possible on mainstream hardware because our patent system is a joke.


RE: Too late.
By Dr of crap on 10/21/2011 8:58:11 AM , Rating: 1
"He's already suing the devil for using heat which Apple invented with their hardware that runs incredibly hot."

That is great !!!!!!! HA, HA, HA!


RE: Too late.
By masamasa on 10/21/2011 11:09:38 AM , Rating: 5
Agreed. They took advantage of the patent system to screw other businesses and more so, consumers. Their arrogant, aggressive tactics are exactly what the market doesn't need.

Enjoy the dirt.


RE: Too late.
By snakeInTheGrass on 10/21/2011 11:09:29 PM , Rating: 2
Thankfully the world still has you to fill it with fresh new ideas and lots of class.


RE: Too late.
By StanO360 on 10/24/2011 5:50:59 PM , Rating: 1
People forget that for most technologies, for most of Apples history they have been followers.

-Color monitors
-Decent mice
-Decent keyboards
-Standard video cards
-Standard hard drives
-Firewire . . .oh wait that was theirs . . . you know that port you never use!
-SD card slots
-HDMI (do MacBooks have them yet? or still a dongle?)

Yes they had a windowed interface first (in practical usage), and congradulations to them. Now can we move on?


RE: Too late.
By Flunk on 10/26/2011 10:04:49 AM , Rating: 2
You forgot USB, Apple was using ADB for years before they made the switch.


RE: Too late.
By rburnham on 10/21/2011 9:22:11 AM , Rating: 2
I will be very disappointed if, when I get there, the devil does not look like Al Pacino. "Lotta fingers in a lotta pies!"


RE: Too late.
By NihilistZerO on 10/21/11, Rating: 0
RE: Too late.
By JasonMick (blog) on 10/20/2011 11:17:19 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Too bad you dead, yo.

Just remember people, it's mean to make fun of the mentally ill.

Jobs clearly had one or possibly more DSM disorders. Narcissistic personality disorder would seem a safe bet.

In his mind he probably really "invented" all of the products he lifted from industry rivals and academia, a la Mac OS from Xerox, multi-touch hardware from Balda, multi-touch software from Myron Kreuger, et al. etc.

Anyways as you said he's dead now so as the op said he isn't destroying/burying anyone...


RE: Too late.
By Shig on 10/20/2011 11:22:05 PM , Rating: 2
C'mon Jason, he invented the 'wheel', he should be allowed to profit off it for all eternity.


RE: Too late.
By Obujuwami on 10/21/2011 12:18:30 AM , Rating: 4
No, sir, he didn't invent the wheel, he PERFECTED IT!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA


RE: Too late.
By pxavierperez on 10/20/11, Rating: -1
RE: Too late.
By BreakingStrata on 10/20/2011 11:47:08 PM , Rating: 5
Man you're a dumbass, if page views were what he was concerned about he would be sucking Apple's cock like everyone else does. Just look at sites like Gizmodo. Anything Apple related has tons of views. You can't handle the truth can you? I'm not for or against Android or Apple but it's true what he said about Apple copying or buying other peoples ideas. Just look at Siri. Apple didn't make that, they just bought it.

Do the world a favor and join Steve Jobs.


RE: Too late.
By TheDoc9 on 10/21/2011 1:34:16 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I've stopped visiting Gizmodo. They've taken the Apple worship too far.


RE: Too late.
By mdanielm on 10/21/2011 12:14:56 AM , Rating: 2
Would you PLEASE stop with the "Pathetic" in every comment you make. Thank you.


RE: Too late.
By Helbore on 10/21/2011 7:43:17 AM , Rating: 3
Well obviously you didn't notice that the article wasn't written by Jason. Yes, he posted on this thread, but this isn't his article.

Unless you are suggesting that posting a comment on the comments section constitutes "journalism?"


RE: Too late.
By pxavierperez on 10/21/11, Rating: -1
RE: Too late.
By KingofFah on 10/21/2011 9:28:24 AM , Rating: 2
I think the point he was making was that you were commenting on his post, but that you are somehow implying that by making his (Jason Mick's) opinions known this is toadying to the android supporters by attracting them to his articles.

So which is it? You're making a counter point that somewhat contradicts your first post in order to defend yourself against a response to your first post. Either that, or you think that people read articles based on who wrote them first and foremost, with the topic and title being second. I rarely check who wrote what, rarely read the comments, and mostly scan for factual information within articles -- it's journalism...


RE: Too late.
By xti on 10/21/11, Rating: -1
RE: Too late.
By sigmatau on 10/21/2011 6:11:14 PM , Rating: 1
ROFL! If you want an Apple circle jerk go to engadget. This site is at least scientific in its reviews.


RE: Too late.
By snakeInTheGrass on 10/21/11, Rating: -1
RE: Too late.
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/21/2011 12:05:22 PM , Rating: 5
This has to be Pirks...no doubt...

"Ya get it now, kid?"

Dead give away.


RE: Too late.
By AwesomeDuck on 10/21/2011 5:14:28 PM , Rating: 2
Your poor grammar is interfering with your ability to convey yourself. I don't know many sixth grade students who can translate Moron into English.

Pathetic.


RE: Too late.
By Helbore on 10/22/2011 7:00:02 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I get it. You made a mistake, but don't want to admit to it. I understand that perfectly well, thank you.

You were accusing him of trying to drum up page hits for his articles by pandering to Android fanboys. That's only relavent if he authored this article. He didn't, so consequently your post is not relavent.

Whatever Jason posts on the comments section has no bearing on what he writes in his articles, nor does it represent his journalism. In this instance, he is just a poster like you or me.

The only other alternative is you just see his name and it sets you off into a rant about his unrelated work. But that would be silly and childish, so I'll just assume you made a mistake.


RE: Too late.
By villageidiotintern on 10/21/2011 8:39:47 AM , Rating: 1
I'm pathetic.

There. FIFY.


RE: Too late.
By DJ Brandon on 10/21/2011 12:08:39 AM , Rating: 5
It's really great to see more and more people come out of the wood work and see just how bad of a person he can be at times. He does so much harm to our industry. People have made a marder out of a man who wouldn't donate a penny to a single charity! Yet he is the greatest man on Earth? I do not hate Apple and I do not hate Steve Jobs. I own an iPhone! However, this worshipping BS needs to stop!


RE: Too late.
By luv2liv on 10/21/2011 1:13:33 AM , Rating: 4
i agree. weird how people thanked Steve when he actually made things worse! the phones are so fragile, people wrap them in ugly cases. battery cant be replaced but apple will be happy to replace it for a fee. and dont get me started on prohibiting users going to ANY websites we want......he changed things for the worse.
now, should we thank Hitler because there's more blondes now?


RE: Too late.
By The Raven on 10/21/2011 12:39:54 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
should we thank Hitler because there's more blondes now?
Hmm...I had the guy all wrong. This makes up for everything!!!


RE: Too late.
By kittypuncher on 10/21/2011 5:14:44 AM , Rating: 2
6
... that is all I can add to this comment


RE: Too late.
By jang_clangle on 10/21/2011 7:25:25 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
marder


For Chthulhu's sake, read a book!


RE: Too late.
By Helbore on 10/21/11, Rating: 0
RE: Too late.
By villageidiotintern on 10/21/2011 8:42:59 AM , Rating: 5
Marder?

Steve Jobs was a German tank destroyer? Damn. Learn something new every day!


RE: Too late.
By FastEddieLB on 10/21/2011 4:47:04 AM , Rating: 4
If Pirates of Silicon Valley is at all accurate towards their personality quirks (and according to Steve Wozniak it is), then Narcissism is a definite considering how it presents itself.


RE: Too late.
By alcalde on 10/21/2011 6:37:16 PM , Rating: 3
Narcissistic Personality Disorder is a safe bet, but in my opinion he was the living archetype of Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder. OCPD people feel they "own the truth", have a need to control themselves and worse, others, believe perfection is obtainable (especially by them, following their internal list of rules), are completely inflexible, disdain most emotions because they feel they compromise their control except for two - anger and righteous indignation at real or perceived offenses (which this article clearly demonstrates!!!), they even excel in the fields of law and *engineering*... sorry, the Walled Garden is an external representation of the internal state of an OCPD individual. Heck, even his trademark outfit was probably due to an internal rule about how people should dress. OCPD might have even played a part in his postponing life-saving surgery - OCPD people feel that anything or anyone who isn't perfect is flawed and worthless and it sounds like he was upset at the thought of being "cut up" or apparently rendered less than perfect.

I'm SO glad you brought this issue up because I've tried at other tech discussion sites and it either gets ignored or deleted. Less than 1% of OCPD people are estimated to ever receive help because, owning the truth, they know everything, including the fact that they don't have OCPD. Unlike OCD people, they find nothing wrong with their own behavior and literally believe the rest of the world is at fault instead. I'm currently taking care of an older relative with very pronounced (and denied) OCPD and I know what an incredible challenge it can be to those around them. If the media, such as yourself, bring this issue up (how many even know OCPD exists?) it might lead to greater diagnosis and loved ones might be able to get their loved (or hard-to-love) ones into treatment, or at least finally have an explanation for their cold, emotionally detached, controlling behavior. I've got no problem with the eulogizing (even the hyperbole and the fawning), but what could really bring some good into this world is for someone in the media eye to address the elephant in the room and state that there was something wrong with this man's behavior that affected his emotional well-being and those around him and that the disordered thinking cycle of OCPD can be changed and people's lives can be fuller and happier as a result of letting their fear of flaws go.


RE: Too late.
By Reclaimer77 on 10/22/2011 10:06:01 AM , Rating: 4
What a nut job. Yeah if I was an investor or share holder I would really love hearing that he wanted to blow every penny the company had on this ego trip.

These are the words of a "brilliant" CEO and strategist? More like a mad man! As if he's been personally wronged by someone. The article should have used a Wrath of Khan meme, because that's who Jobs reminded me of lol.

"He (Android) tasks me. He tasks me and I shall have him! I'll chase him 'round the moons of Nibia and 'round the Antares Maelstrom and 'round Perdition's flames before I give him up!

To the last, I will grapple with thee... from Hell's heart, I stab at thee! For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee!"


RE: Too late.
By tng on 10/24/2011 12:41:43 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
To the last, I will grapple with thee... from Hell's heart, I stab at thee! For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee!"
Nice quote RC77 and yes it is very fitting, seeing how he was a egomaniac, yet in some ways brilliant.


RE: Too late.
By Silver2k7 on 10/21/2011 4:20:30 AM , Rating: 3
Its a bit funny considering Steve mostly used ideas that where already around like Xerox invented the graphical interface that where used in his Lisa computer.

There where plenty of mp3 players before ipod it just launched at the right time, Diamond Rio was sued into bancrupcy by the record companies for selling mp3 players before the ipod and there where numerous smaller brands.

There where expensive surfpads avalible before the ipad... and the list can probably go on.

So a bit of a double standard there :)=


RE: Too late.
By webstorm1 on 10/21/2011 11:17:59 AM , Rating: 3
Oh man, I wondered what happened back then!! I have a Diamond Rio PMP500 (I think) and it's still awesome even though it doesn't hold much music and I have to use homebrew software to load it.


RE: Too late.
By km9v on 10/21/2011 12:32:39 PM , Rating: 2
Sounds like somebody couldn't take a little competition.


Wait what
By SKiddywinks on 10/20/2011 11:21:57 PM , Rating: 2
Now, I may just be naive, so please enlighten me if I am missing something, but about the only thing I see similar between Android and iOS is that they are both smartphone OS. What exactly did Android copy?

In fact, with the release of iOS 5, Apple were catching up to Google in a couple of regards (excluding Siri, obviously).




RE: Wait what
By carnifex2005 on 10/20/2011 11:30:10 PM , Rating: 2
He was probably pissed because he got outmaneuvered by Google, or more specifically their CEO Eric Schmidt. Schmidt was on the Apple board of directors when the iPhone was first released. Schmidt obviously knew the danger of Apple and Jobs having a monopoly on a new way to get to the web and possibly freezing out Google's search. About one year later he left the board of directors of Apple and Android was born to combat that threat.


RE: Wait what
By xaders on 10/21/2011 1:15:32 PM , Rating: 3
this is no different then microsoft & windows because he said the same things in 2005 stanford press. google remind me of microsoft in the 1980s & 1990s. itunes is basically windows media player done right. when you open the product up & look what happens. Steve jobs said this in the before, "good artist copy, & Great artist steal!!!" this is on youtube and can find it by putting it on the search box. also, ios5 is copying for every other mobile OS ie, imessenger from blackberry, notifications with voice controls ie like siri from google android, camera lock from windows phone 7 (wp7).
im not saying this in a bad about apple products. i like apple products & just not their policies. my 1st computer was apple iie and id like it switch to pc because of gaming & more choices. id said this before & said it again by giving steve jobs tribute because he was a great marketer & vision that will have a better legacy then bill gates if you have the patient to see it through. remember steve jobs was fired before.
go open source!!!


RE: Wait what
By kingmotley on 10/21/11, Rating: -1
RE: Wait what
By borismkv on 10/21/2011 1:39:28 AM , Rating: 3
It's also silly how much of that shouldn't have been allowed as a legal trademark.


RE: Wait what
By Boze on 10/21/2011 2:21:59 AM , Rating: 5
OH yeah, that's some interesting reading...

"The color gray, and a button are the same."

Because a goddamn button and the color gray should be trademarkable.

If you believe that, you're a moron.

If Steve Jobs believed that, he's a moron.


RE: Wait what
By Boze on 10/21/2011 2:41:27 AM , Rating: 2
patentable... sorry.

To quote Reclaimer77, "My kingdom for an edit button."


RE: Wait what
By daInvincibleGama on 10/21/2011 7:58:21 PM , Rating: 2
Trademarked is correct ;p

Patents are for "inventions".


RE: Wait what
By Fritzr on 10/22/2011 1:20:12 AM , Rating: 2
But Apple invented the gray button ... they should be allowed a patent on this important invention :P


RE: Wait what
By foolsgambit11 on 10/21/2011 4:19:23 AM , Rating: 2
There's a good reason they chose the Samsung Galaxy S for that comparison. Check out "Google Nexus S" images and compare the trademark 'infringement' on that. It basically only meets the same items that the pre-iPhone Samsung F700 meets. About the only item on the trademark that Android meets by default is using the colors mentioned. In fact, the iPhone doesn't even meet Apple's trademark definition! (It has 20 icons in a 4x5 grid, with 16 on black and 4 on grey) So, I'll also ask, what is it specifically that Android 'stole'?

Besides, what did Jobs care? As he said, "Good artists copy, great artists steal."


RE: Wait what
By kingmotley on 10/21/11, Rating: -1
RE: Wait what
By Gondor on 10/21/2011 12:46:41 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You may not agree, and think, well it's quite possible that both companies would have picked a green icon, with a phone handset rotated at 135-degrees counter-clockwise as the call button. They could have rotated it 30 degrees (or zero), or rotated it clockwise, or used a blue background, or used a complete older phone instead of just the handset. Just what the odds they came up with that exact design independently? And that's just one of the icons, combine that with everything else, and it's just unbelievable.


Samsung has been using green handset slanted sideways for the Call button long before Apple came up with first iPhone ... And so did many other phone manufacturers, yet none of them deemed Samsung to be infringing on their design, let alone sue Samsung.

Have a look at an iPhone and Galaxy S - aside from both being phones with touchscreen and display there are far mroe differences between them than there are similarities, just as it happens with any other product (be it computer, car, dishwasher, iron, bicycle, tennis racquet, chocolate, you name it). Now gee, what are the odds of that ?


RE: Wait what
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/21/2011 12:47:04 PM , Rating: 3
No, it's not quite obvious. Only the people, like Tony WashedUp, who are quite obviously IFans, it appears obvious, but in reality, it's not.


RE: Wait what
By Natch on 10/21/2011 3:32:46 PM , Rating: 1
First, learn the difference between trademark and patent.

Trademarks are made on names, patents on ideas. Coca-Cola is trademarked, their formula for making their soda is patented (or, likely, was at one time, as patents have a shelf life.....now, it's just a secret).

All of Apple's lawsuits are about patent infringements, not trademark disputes. If Samsung was putting an Apple symbol on their phones, or calling them a Samsung iPhone, then they would be guilty of trademark infringement. Instead, they are accused of patent infringement.

The biggest problem most people have with these so-called patent infringements is that so many of them are really bogus, and patent generic ideas that should never have been allowed to be patented. It should be an interesting lawsuit, as patent law is most likely going to be challenged during the legal process.

But really....if you can't get your terms right, don't expect to be taken seriously.


RE: Wait what
By rndmize on 10/21/11, Rating: -1
RE: Wait what
By djdjohnson on 10/21/2011 3:48:40 AM , Rating: 2
Windows Phone has a very different interface on it.


RE: Wait what
By Da W on 10/21/11, Rating: -1
RE: Wait what
By Camikazi on 10/23/2011 3:01:50 AM , Rating: 2
"Good artists copy, great artists steal!"

Going by his own words Steve Jobs should have no problem at all with anything any company does that involves their products.


RE: Wait what
By robinthakur on 10/21/11, Rating: -1
RE: Wait what
By FITCamaro on 10/21/2011 7:38:38 AM , Rating: 5
There are plenty of phones better than the iPhone. None just ever reached the douche-factor of the iPhone.

"I have an iPhone and I'm going to throw it in everyone's face with my 'sent from my iPhone' email tag and incessant talking about how my iPhone is better than your phone even if it doesn't have as good of features....blah blah blah"


RE: Wait what
By Da W on 10/21/11, Rating: -1
RE: Wait what
By FITCamaro on 10/22/2011 1:57:21 AM , Rating: 1
Ah I love people with the grammar skills of a 2nd grader trying to make a written argument.

quote:
Why do you give a fuck people? nobody of you works for either company, else you wouldn't have time to post here.


Really so people who work at Apple and Google never go home or have free time?

quote:
Aren't you afraid of how big an INFORMATION GATTERING COMPANY has become?


Of course many of us are. That's not the issue here though. And thus far, Google has been a pretty trustworthy steward of data. No less so than Apple which was found guilty of tracking people with their phones.

quote:
Android is a steal, its a steal, it looks like the iphone, it has icons, it uses touch, it rotates,


Because no phone before the iPhone had any of these things. And all phones are rectangles. Again not a new concept when the iPhone came out. Icons existed before the iPhone used them. Phones had rotatable interfaces before the iPhone came out. Phones used touch interfaces before the iPhone came out. Apple just took many features and improved upon them. That does not give them the right to patent them nor does it mean they invented them.


RE: Wait what
By jvillaro on 10/22/2011 2:34:27 AM , Rating: 2
Well... To be fair, almost every tech blog, preview, hands on, etc has said that Goggle's latest android version has taken many ideas from iOS, WP and WebOS...


Money can't buy class
By seatay75 on 10/21/2011 12:59:58 AM , Rating: 3
and his arrogance finally killed him. He died thinking he knew better than any doctor how to treat cancer. He epitomized everything wrong with corporate america. The idea that only one company, only one brand can serve a market. Tried the iphone, then I tried a droid and never looked back. I don't doubt he would've bankrupted the company if allowed to try to destroy android. He knew he was dead anyways and couldn't take it with him. RIP Steve, may God teach you humility in the afterlife.




RE: Money can't buy class
By zonkie on 10/21/2011 1:20:18 AM , Rating: 5
Unlike the tech industry, cancer couldn't be fooled by his reality distrotion field


RE: Money can't buy class
By lightfoot on 10/21/2011 12:54:16 PM , Rating: 2
I'm pretty sure "reality distortion fields" cause cancer.


RE: Money can't buy class
By FITCamaro on 10/21/2011 1:31:08 PM , Rating: 2
CNN reporters are in trouble then...


RE: Money can't buy class
By Devilboy1313 on 10/23/2011 12:39:22 AM , Rating: 2
and Fox News reporters only have hours left.


He knew, if the clones come, Apple will lose
By TacticalTrading on 10/21/2011 12:33:11 PM , Rating: 5
Somewhere, deep down, Jobs knew why Apple lost the PC war. It wasn't because Microsoft copied anything. They lost simply because many others were allowed to make Personal Computers. And at that point it comes down to cost, scale, and eventually mass support.

To believe the smart phone / tablet market will play out in any other fashion is simply naive, and this Jobs was not.

The reason Apple's patent suites are so huge is because the entire glory of Apple rests upon the outcome. Jobs knew this.

Unfortunately for Apple,
Closed systems lose to Open systems, and Google is keenly aware of this is a fact.

In the last quarter, One manufacture, Samsung, shipped more phones than Apple. And, despite the new iPhone, all Apple can do is watch their market share shrink. The Tablet battle, while less mature, is playing in similar fashion. It too will end with the same result.

Jobs, he apparently thought he could win this war. In the real world, for Apple, the war is lost. They just don't know it yet.




By maven81 on 10/21/2011 12:42:16 PM , Rating: 5
Well said. What we're seeing right now in the smartphone and tablet world is a repeat of the 1980s showdown in the PC world. This is a battle apple can not win, so they fight dirty.


RE: He knew, if the clones come, Apple will lose
By Tony Swash on 10/24/11, Rating: -1
By its tom hanks on 10/24/2011 9:05:30 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
And what's so amusing is that Apple through their success prove this over and over again :)


repeated success, like losing the pc war of the 1980's... which is currently happening to their mobile os... good example. their success depends upon the ability of their naive consumers to be willing to supply them with insane profit margins and not look at competitors products. and those consumers (your dumb ass) will continue to do so :):)


Truth Come Out to everyone
By MikadoWu on 10/21/2011 7:38:37 AM , Rating: 3
I am glad to see all this come out. It goingto show the world what many of us in the Bay Area and involved in Tech knew about Steve.

He was a controling overbearing DICK. He was more concerned about power then what was right for technology and the people. Typical BABYBOOMER.

How can he claim Android Stole when his own product ,iOS, looks like Windows 3.1.




RE: Truth Come Out to everyone
By Tony Swash on 10/21/11, Rating: -1
RE: Truth Come Out to everyone
By maven81 on 10/21/2011 10:55:34 AM , Rating: 2
You're missing the part where Jobs wanted to KILL it! Whether it was stolen or not is therefore completely irrelevant in this case. Jobs was an anticompetitive bastard, end of story. Because god forbid there should be a similar but cheaper version of your product out there. No one should have the right to own something like that. Everyone should own your product because it's clearly superior right?
The stupid crybaby never realized that the way you compete is by making your products better, or cheaper, not slagging off the competition. If your product is unquestionably superior, people will buy it. Not only that, some people don't actually care about superior, they just want something good enough. And you know what? That is OK. There's enough room for everyone. So long dictator.


By snakeInTheGrass on 10/21/2011 11:33:37 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
You're missing the part where Jobs wanted to KILL it! Whether it was stolen or not is therefore completely irrelevant in this case.


That's the reason he wanted to kill it, so it's not exactly irrelevant unless you're not clear on what irrelevant means.


RE: Truth Come Out to everyone
By TakinYourPoints on 10/23/2011 7:46:39 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
You're missing the part where Jobs wanted to KILL it!Whether it was stolen or not is therefore completely irrelevant in this case.


No, it is relevant and exactly why he wanted to kill it. Windows Phone 7, Blackberry, and WebOS UIs are so completely different from iOS. Android is the only one that conspicuously stole from Apple's design, hence the reaction. It isn't rocket science.


RE: Truth Come Out to everyone
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/23/2011 9:08:03 PM , Rating: 3
You can continue to say it stole all you want, doesn't make it true.


Like they never copy from PARC
By pixelslave on 10/21/2011 1:37:50 AM , Rating: 3
It's a known secret that Apple "stole" the idea of GUI from PARC. I don't see Apple "complains" about stealing ideas from other people, when it is the offender.




RE: Like they never copy from PARC
By AerieC on 10/21/2011 1:22:42 PM , Rating: 3
Also, some quotes from Steve himself:

quote:
We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas.
-Triumph of the Nerds (1996)


quote:
Good artists copy; great artists steal.
-Misquoting Picasso


Apple has been stealing ideas since the beginning and makes no apologies, but when it happens to them, Steve Jobs goes batshit. He did it when he thought Windows copied the Mac, and he did it when he thought Android copied the iPhone.

Hypocrite to the very end.


RE: Like they never copy from PARC
By Tony Swash on 10/22/11, Rating: -1
RE: Like they never copy from PARC
By Camikazi on 10/23/2011 3:07:39 AM , Rating: 2
The group of people might be the same but the tech did not belong to those people, Xerox owned the tech not the PARC people.


RE: Like they never copy from PARC
By Tony Swash on 10/23/11, Rating: -1
By TakinYourPoints on 10/23/2011 7:58:29 PM , Rating: 2
Access to the PARC UI research was given to Apple in exchange for shares of the company. Also, many of the engineers who worked on the Mac were the same that worked at Xerox.

Relevent quote from a Xerox engineer who then worked on the Macintosh: http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macin...

quote:
Smalltalk has no Finder, and no need for one, really. Drag-and- drop file manipulation came from the Mac group, along with many other unique concepts: resources and dual-fork files for storing layout and international information apart from code; definition procedures; drag-and-drop system extension and configuration; types and creators for files; direct manipulation editing of document, disk, and application names; redundant typed data for the clipboard; multiple views of the file system; desk accessories; and control panels, among others. The Lisa group invented some fundamental concepts as well: pull down menus, the imaging and windowing models based on QuickDraw, the clipboard, and cleanly internationalizable software.

Smalltalk had a three-button mouse and pop-up menus, in contrast to the Mac's menu bar and one-button mouse. Smalltalk didn't even have self-repairing windows - you had to click in them to get them to repaint, and programs couldn't draw into partially obscured windows. Bill Atkinson did not know this, so he invented regions as the basis of QuickDraw and the Window Manager so that he could quickly draw in covered windows and repaint portions of windows brought to the front. One Macintosh feature identical to a Smalltalk feature is selection-based modeless text editing with cut and paste, which was created by Larry Tesler for his Gypsy editor at PARC.

As you may be gathering, the difference between the Xerox system architectures and Macintosh architecture is huge; much bigger than the difference between the Mac and Windows. It's not surprising, since Microsoft saw quite a bit of the Macintosh design (API's,sample code, etc.) during the Mac's development from 1981 to 1984; the intention was to help them write applications for the Mac, and it also gave their system designers a template from which to design Windows. In contrast, the Mac and Lisa designers had to invent their own architectures. Of course, there were some ex- Xerox people in the Lisa and Mac groups, but the design point for these machines was so different that we didn't leverage our knowledge of the Xerox systems as much as some people think.


Consider that it took nearly four years from the visit to Xerox and the release of the Mac. That time wasn't spent simply porting the UI over, Mac and Lisa engineers added everything we now take for granted (drop down menus, modern window and folder behavior, drag and drop, the clipboard, etc etc). None of this was in Smalltalk. What Xerox had in their labs was a GUI but functionally it wasn't ready for commercial or private use, all that came in afterwards. To say the Mac was a "copy" is incorrect, it was huge iteration.


"Our" ideas!
By mycropht on 10/21/2011 4:07:16 PM , Rating: 5
"I want you to stop using our ideas in Android, that's all I want."
Funny, he was far more tolerant with using ideas by other people in Apple products, most notably the ideas behind Xerox Alto.




RE: "Our" ideas!
By Camikazi on 10/23/2011 3:09:06 AM , Rating: 3
Why go so far back? iOS5 Notification Center is pretty much a direct rip of Android Notification Bar.


...
By thisisaname on 10/20/2011 11:38:57 PM , Rating: 5
Even beyond the grave this man makes me sick.




RE: ...
By masamasa on 10/21/2011 11:11:49 AM , Rating: 1
*tosses his cookies* on an ipad!


By Tequilasunriser on 10/21/2011 12:28:37 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong. I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this.


What a shitty was to get revenge. The only people that benefit from that are the greedy, scumbag, fuckface lawyers.




Man of his words
By rameshms on 10/20/2011 11:13:30 PM , Rating: 2
He died upholding his vow... Lucky for apple, he didn't live long enough to ransack $40 billion cash..




RE: Man of his words
By sticks435 on 10/21/2011 10:07:04 AM , Rating: 2
And unlucky for the rest of the tech industry and mankind in general. Especially those poor workers at Foxconn offing themselves making his 'products'.


So...
By gevorg on 10/20/2011 11:13:43 PM , Rating: 4
U mad bro?




wow, stolen product
By zodiacfml on 10/21/2011 3:47:14 AM , Rating: 2
the iphone is not all original product.

to me, the iphone is a very simple concept of increasing the screen of cellular/mobile phone and the whole phone design follows it.

i've been dreaming of bigger screens since nokia has been producing colored LCD phones. apple just upped the specs and make it usable just like what they did with the ipod.




RE: wow, stolen product
By The Jedi on 10/21/2011 11:52:46 PM , Rating: 2
Right, the Microsoft developed PDA phone came out in 2002. The first one was called an XDA. Hence, we have XDA-developers.com since 2002. Android, Inc. was bought by Google in 2005. The iPhone was unveiled in January 2007 and released Summer 2007 after a rumored two years of development. In that time manufacturing and design capabilities improved, CPU power increased, and the price of things like memory went down greatly. Finally the T-Mobile G1 phone comes out in Fall 2008, and propagates massively from 2009 on. I think this news article could've stood to include this info to put Jobs' lunacy in context.


Good riddance
By Bozzified on 10/21/2011 5:52:58 AM , Rating: 4
petty, juvenile, self-centered, hypocritical individual with narcissistic disorder who felt perfectly entitled to lift ideas from others but felt bad when other people did the same things and out-shined him he goes into tantrums and gets all upset as he invented everything when in fact he didn't invent shit. He was same juvenile psycho when Microsoft killed it with Windows and he was basically replicating his hatred to Android. He just couldn't face it that open and better/more innovative technologies always trump walled garden and no amount of hate or corruption in the legal system and all kinds of dirty play will make any difference.

This piece and his comment really shows why Apple IS a cancer on the technology industry.




Jobs
By johnsmith9875 on 10/21/2011 9:23:49 AM , Rating: 4
Steve Jobs wanted to kill Flash too.

Jobs dead, Flash still alive.




A quote from Steve Jobs, circa 1996
By euler007 on 10/21/2011 8:59:22 AM , Rating: 3
Steve Jobs: 'We've Always Been Shameless About Stealing Great Ideas'

I guess things change when you go from being an ambitious thirty-something to being a fifty year old billionaire.




Distortion field may kill
By marraco on 10/23/2011 11:14:02 AM , Rating: 3
Steve Jobs refused medical treatment for cancer.

Indeed, he choose to beat cancer with the power of his own will, macrobiotic diets, and superstitions.

He thought of himself as a kind of superior being.

Kind of Nazi.




By Etsp on 10/20/2011 11:48:54 PM , Rating: 2
From the iTunes TOS:
quote:
You also agree that you will not use these products for ... the development, design, manufacture, or production of nuclear, missile, or chemical or biological weapons.
See here: http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/us/terms.html

Just search for "nuclear"




Ow, really...?
By piteq on 10/21/2011 3:41:01 AM , Rating: 2
cool story bro
By IlllI on 10/21/2011 4:51:13 AM , Rating: 2
By mattclary on 10/21/2011 7:41:56 AM , Rating: 2
"I've been shameless about stealing great ideas"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU

Sorry, have always thought Steve was a douche and even in death, that can't change.




Man O Man. . . .
By blueboy09 on 10/21/2011 9:54:40 AM , Rating: 2
This is what happens when you let resentment take over you life, it literally eats you up inside. You should've let it go Jobs, and you've been a fair and just man, but we saw the end result of his actions. - BLUEBOY




Long term view
By nafhan on 10/21/2011 10:44:36 AM , Rating: 2
Some speculation here... The reason Steve may have felt the need to destroy Android is because Apple is inherently a hardware company, and IMO, long term, hardware is going to converge to the point where it's all pretty much the same and very inexpensive. In short, people will be buying software and services NOT hardware, and to survive long term, Apple needs to firmly establish itself as THE place to get those things as hardware will be a commodity.




Give me a break
By masamasa on 10/21/2011 11:08:07 AM , Rating: 2
Like their sham patents are creative works and not stolen from the ideas of others. Captain Kirk would be appalled to hear his position on Android since the tablet minimalist design first showed up in Star Trek.

What goes around comes around chump....good luck now.




Ironic
By saganhill on 10/21/2011 11:17:15 AM , Rating: 2
The Irony in his statement about people stealing his stuff goes off the meter. How does everyone think he got to where he is/was? He stole it!




Hypocrite!!
By kroker on 10/21/2011 12:04:59 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, only Apple should be allowed to sell stolen tech! The GUI (Xerox), OS core (BSD/Unix), touch screen (and all the wireless and mobile phone tech for that matter), even their design( http://gizmodo.com/343641/1960s-braun-products-hol... ), etc. The hypocrisy is simply outstanding. They GROSSLY profited from other people's breakthroughs and hard work of advancing these technologies throughout the years to the point where a device like the iPhone was possible, and then have to audacity to claim it was all their merit.

Straight from the horse's mouth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QzJa_OU0tI . "Artist" my @ss!




By danjw1 on 10/21/2011 1:11:37 PM , Rating: 2
I hate what Apple is doing too, but Jobs isn't Emperor Palpatine. Most executives that get to the CEO level aren't particularly nice guys. He saved Apple, which you may not like, but at least gives consumers a choice other then Microsoft. Apple isn't the first company to work a patent system that is totally broken, and it won't be the last. You are misdirecting your ire, it should be directed at those who messed up the patent system so badly.




Truth:
By rburnham on 10/24/2011 10:29:12 AM , Rating: 2
You know who won't be destroying Android? Steve Jobs.




Steve Jobs the human
By jiffylube1000 on 10/24/2011 11:32:58 AM , Rating: 2
This information definitely humanizes Steve Jobs, who has been portrayed as a sort of tech deity by the media recently.

The funny, sad, ironic thing about this whole Apple (Jobs) vs. Android thing is that the whole concept of "copy and make better" is a big part of what drives silicon valley.

Does Android have 'stolen' design elements from the iPhone? Sure it does. Tech companies copy eachother all the time; it's only recently that they've been using litigation to protect ideas like "rectangle with a touchscreen." The iPhone set the bar for a smartphone to have a large capacitive touchscreen, large pictorial icons with text under them, and use a high quality screen. Apple used to pride itself on its trendsetting ways; the Macintosh and iMac revolutionized personal computer design. It's the ultimate compliment when competitors ape your design.

The iPod itself was essentially a copy and improvement of previous mp3 technologies. It's the nature of the beast.
-----------

Use a 4.3"+ Android smartphone today and put it beside an iPhone and the iPhone now looks decidedly dated, especially iOS 5.

Should Ford get to sue every car maker out of existance because they copied their "box with 4 wheels" design?




Pot calling the kettle black
By spkay on 10/24/2011 2:41:38 PM , Rating: 2
How dare you steal technology from Apple which we worked so diligently to steal from other companies and Universities over the years. Spin doctors love to believe their own spin-ology. They would all be nowhere without Dennis Ritchie who never wanted to sue anyone, just encourage use and development of his technology. Dennis should be celebrated more than any of these over-hyped marketeers. RIP DMR....




Wow
By StanO360 on 10/24/2011 5:38:19 PM , Rating: 2
Smart guy, clever guy, amazing businessman . . . but what an arrogant guy!

I guess he thought Apple should give back all the ideas he took whole cloth from Xerox PARC?

Android has gone past iOS software wise, the hardware/software integration of Apple will always be hard to beat if that's what you want (I don't, but realize many do).




Stolen or Borrowed?
By blankslate on 10/26/2011 2:18:29 PM , Rating: 2
If we apply Mr. Jobs own criteria toward Android to Apple's products we'd have to go around pulling alot of Apple products off of the istore's shelves. Either one of the biggest douches in corporate history or truly mentally ill.




Lets face it ...
By gareththomasnz on 10/26/2011 11:30:40 PM , Rating: 2
Android has stomped IOS already and its open source

I wont be buying an Iphone - I'll be buying and android device




Lithium-ion Battery
By lxtbattery on 10/27/2011 7:28:17 AM , Rating: 2
It will not be coming ture.
http://www.lxt-group.com/02/en Lithium-ion Battery




Antonyms
By Fracture on 10/21/2011 3:49:15 PM , Rating: 1
Let's play a fun game:
Microsoft is to the Digital revolution
as
Ford in the Industrial revolution.

Apple is to the Digital revolution
as well.. wait... they still use sweatshops. Apple neutralizes the innovations of others... and admonishes the sharing of knowledge.

Guess Apple is still somewhere in the Industrial revolution.




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Yes
By ballist1x on 10/21/11, Rating: -1
RE: Yes
By Bozzified on 10/21/2011 5:57:30 AM , Rating: 2
What does packaging have to do with the product itself. It's nonsense. It's Apple trying any way they can to kill competition because they were losing.

This thing (similar packaging and other things) have been happening for a long time and nobody was complaining about it. It was not a big deal because the products say the story and nowhere on the packaging does it say iPad or Apple. It says Samsung and shows a Samsung product.

The only thing they do is market it in a way and all that thanks to the snakeskin salesman Jobs and the cult religion they created around their products. They can do that because mainstream is completely uninformed and has no clue about technology or who really created what, so they attribute it to Apple when they buy it.

It's complete disconnect. But then again, that's why they eventually ALWAYS lose.
And btw, Samsung didn't copy anyone. This is another garbage bullshit coming from Apple with fictional evidence.

Samsung made photo frames that looked IDENTICAL to iPad, 4 years before iPad was even released. So if anyone stole from anyone is Apple from Samsung.

And you know what, this is not really surprising at all. Apple steals from EVERYWHERE. Every single thing they put in their devices is a rip from some other place or company.


RE: Yes
By ballist1x on 10/21/11, Rating: -1
RE: Yes
By Alexstarfire on 10/21/2011 2:53:28 PM , Rating: 2
For phones packaging matters very little. IDK about in other countries but at least in the US most of us are purchasing the phone through a carrier, or if we want the international version then on the web somewhere. Nowhere does the packaging come into play. You don't see it at AT&T, Sprint, Verizon, etc.. until you purchase the phone (If even then since they change the packaging usually), and online you won't see the packaging unless you actually hunt for pictures of it.

Tablets are a bit different though. Some places the boxes are laid out but most of the places I've seen just have the products sitting out and then when you want to buy one you can pick up the box or they'll give it to you. Very few places just have the boxes sitting out in the open on display, though I have seen it.

If you're, meaning anyone, buying a product because of the packaging then I've got to say that's just a dumb person. I would certainly agree that the packaging is practically identical.... but then I also don't think it matters.


Stolen, sure.
By pxavierperez on 10/20/11, Rating: -1
Interesting times
By Tony Swash on 10/21/11, Rating: -1
RE: Interesting times
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/21/2011 8:49:42 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
We could go around in circles but let's leave aside the question of whether Android was a copy of iOS or whether Samsung has or has not tried to clone Apple's entire product range, the answer to both questions is clearly yes they did
No, they did not.


RE: Interesting times
By Tony Swash on 10/21/11, Rating: -1
RE: Interesting times
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/21/2011 10:16:14 AM , Rating: 2
It would be better if you got your head out of your ass. But that's not going to happen.


RE: Interesting times
By degobah77 on 10/21/2011 10:41:15 AM , Rating: 2
I bought some new sunglasses the other day, and the whole store was filled with the same looking product! They all looked the same, did the same thing, and were worn in the same way. But all different brands! It was fucking crazy.

Thank God Apple doesn't make sunglasses.


RE: Interesting times
By sprockkets on 10/21/2011 10:48:34 AM , Rating: 2
We know you are just acting stupid or something, but for the 50th time:

YOU CAN'T PATENT AN IDEA OR COPYRIGHT IT!!!

And seeing as how Steve stole plenty of ideas himself, he the biggest fing hypocrite of them all.


RE: Interesting times
By Tony Swash on 10/21/11, Rating: -1
RE: Interesting times
By degobah77 on 10/21/2011 12:49:14 PM , Rating: 3
Man, these are really nice sunglasses.


RE: Interesting times
By nafhan on 10/21/2011 2:48:55 PM , Rating: 3
You don't seem to get it: iOS and all other software is built by the developers standing on the shoulders of giants. It's how the industry works. If everyone had to do everything from scratch and completely differently from what everyone else has done, every time, we would have NOTHING.
quote:
None of you say that versions of Android looked like it did when it was released (i.e. full size touch screen interface, icons arranged in a grid, all the touch gestures etc) before iOS was demoed in public.
Why do you care about this? Arranging icons in grids is something I've been doing for 20 years, and there were full screen, touch screen phones before the iPhone came out. Apple does really, really well at combining the ideas of others into a cohesive, usable product, but generally, they're still the ideas of others AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.


RE: Interesting times
By sprockkets on 10/21/2011 2:50:52 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
None of you say that versions of Android looked like it did when it was released (i.e. full size touch screen interface, icons arranged in a grid, all the touch gestures etc) before iOS was demoed in public.


http://asia.cnet.com/an-early-look-at-googles-andr...

Oh, and btw, so what if it didn't have multi-touch. I could care less about pinch to zoom - double tap to zoom works just fine.

And plucky old LG had a full touch screen phone called the Prada which was introduced before the iphone was to the public, thereby proving it was only a matter of time before someone debuted it.

quote:
All the available evidence shows quite clearly and indisputably that the Android team changed the entire design of the Android OS UI to look as much like the iOS UI as possible and that that change happened after the iPhone was demoed in public.


And so did WP7. And so did TouchFLO, before the iphone was released to the public.


RE: Interesting times
By Tony Swash on 10/21/11, Rating: -1
RE: Interesting times
By Cheesew1z69 on 10/21/2011 3:19:24 PM , Rating: 2
No, you are insult to everyone's intelligence.


RE: Interesting times
By sprockkets on 10/21/2011 4:16:05 PM , Rating: 2
That word, "clone," I don't think you know what that word really means.


RE: Interesting times
By luseferous on 10/21/2011 6:44:25 PM , Rating: 3
You seem to be equating the U.I to the operating system. They are not the same thing.

Google may or may not have copied the look and feel Apples U.I but
quote:
Android cloned the iOS. Don't deny - argue that it's OK maybe - but don't deny it, that's just an insult to everyone's intelligence.
I am quite happy to deny it until you show me a copy of the two kernels and point out the identical code.

Ps. I have never owned an android based phone so please don't waste your time calling me a fanboy.


RE: Interesting times
By croc on 10/21/2011 6:48:06 PM , Rating: 2
"Everybody dances around it. iOS cloned BSD. Not to mention using Cisco's trademarks. Don't deny - argue that it's OK maybe - but don't deny it, that's just an insult to everyone's intelligence."


RE: Interesting times
By nafhan on 10/21/2011 2:24:22 PM , Rating: 1
A world without Android could easily become a world where the majority of the internet browsing population has no access to Google services. I feel like Google would consider that to be bad for their business strategy...


RE: Interesting times
By Tony Swash on 10/21/11, Rating: -1
RE: Interesting times
By themaster08 on 10/22/2011 4:34:36 AM , Rating: 2
Seriously, Tony. You're really sucked in if you can accept these anti-competitive tactics, and continue to support Apple's stance on this. Regardless of the underhanded tactics from Google, is it so hard to get through to your thick skull that this is how markets are created? When was the last time you saw one product hold an entire market, or at least a market which all products were absolutely different?

So what if Google changed their UI to support touch? So every company that changes their UI to support touch should be sued? Google were following a market trend, you idiot. The interaction, homescreens, widgets, open source nature, customisation, notifications system (oh, sorry, not anymore) are all completely different to that which Apple offers.

Apple IS anti-competitive. Steve Jobs was the absolute epitome of narcissistic. Your proof is here. Now you can write as many essays as you like trying to prove your point and justify Apple's actions. Ours has been proved by cold, hard, biographic facts.

Reality hurts, right?


No more Android
By MartyLK on 10/21/11, Rating: -1
RE: No more Android
By FastEddieLB on 10/21/2011 5:08:49 AM , Rating: 2
If that was sarcasm it didn't come across very well.


RE: No more Android
By syckpwn on 10/21/2011 12:07:12 PM , Rating: 2
'stolen tech'? android did not steal tech. If you consider icons and shell design 'tech' you are on the wrong site. appearance? looks like it, but that shows what kind of company apple is today. in the 80's and 90's they were a specialized company with an eclectic group of PC users and developers, but now its the fashonista of the tech world, worry more about appearance and marketing. They appeal more to the masses, but that's how you grow as a company. The problem is that because of its shrinking market share, Apple (read Jobs) has now resorted to anti-competitive measures using superficial claims to ensure Apple's place in the portable computing market. These kind of measures are detrimental to capitalism.


Some respect, please?
By Commodus on 10/20/11, Rating: -1
RE: Some respect, please?
By lagomorpha on 10/21/2011 3:11:02 AM , Rating: 2
"Criticize his policies, but show some basic respect for the recently dead."

I suppose you are mourning Muammar Gaddafi as well?


RE: Some respect, please?
By masamasa on 10/21/2011 11:13:15 AM , Rating: 2
Respect is earned, not deserved.


RE: Some respect, please?
By NihilistZerO on 10/21/2011 3:20:00 PM , Rating: 2
But if you've earned it that means you deserve it...

Phonetically speaking at least...


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