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Apple's CEO Steve Jobs appears to be living in a fantasy land where Google is lying about its activations and more iPhones are being activated than Android smartphones.
Jobs: "We think we are ahead of everyone"; Google says CEO of Apple's claims are inaccurate

Apple CEO Steven P. Jobs, whose star iPhone has been passed by a surging Google in U.S. sales, blasted Google at his company's product release event yesterday.

Mr. Jobs claims that Google CEO Eric Schmidt's announcement at the start of August that his company was activating 200,000+ Android devices a day globally was a falsehood.  When asked questions about that number, he responded, "We think some of our friends are counting upgrades in their numbers."

He added, "We think we are ahead of everyone."

But it may be Mr. Jobs who is in the wrong.  A Google spokesperson commented, "The Android activation numbers do not include upgrades and are, in fact, only a portion of the Android devices in the market since we only include devices that have Google services."

Today Apple claims to be activating 230,000 "iOS devices" globally per day.  However, that number includes both the iPhone 
and the iPad 3G.  Even with only having a single respectively low volume tablet/mobile-internet-device at present (the Dell Streak), Android likely has reached at least that level of activations (given that its activations are growing at a rate of roughly 30,000 to 40,000 additional activations per day per month).  

That means that Google has already left Apple behind in terms of phone activations a day.  And once more tablets like the Samsung Galaxy Tab hit, Google can be expected to leave Apple behind in total daily device activations, as well.

Mr. Jobs and his company have seem shocked by Google's success.  At the recent D8 press conference he sounded caught off guard when he commented that one morning he just woke up and heard about Android.  When asked if he felt betrayed, though, he quipped, "My sex life is pretty good."

Apple also tried to deny that Android has surpassed the iPhone in U.S. market share when small market research firm Canalys made that proclamation.  But the numbers were later confirmed by top market research firm NPD, proving that Apple has indeed been surpassed.



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Suck it!
By umop apisdn on 9/2/2010 10:24:21 AM , Rating: 4
Dear Mr. Jobs,

Nuts!

Yours truly
Android




RE: Suck it!
By Mitch101 on 9/2/2010 10:44:51 AM , Rating: 3
Google Responded almost the same way

Google Responds to Steve Jobs' Thinly Veiled Insults
"The Android activation numbers do not include upgrades and are, in fact, only a portion of the Android devices in the market since we only include devices that have Google services."

http://gizmodo.com/5627966/google-responds-to-stev...


RE: Suck it!
By bplewis24 on 9/2/2010 10:59:20 AM , Rating: 3
Can somebody expand on what it means to "only include devices that have Google services"? What Android devices would not be included in that context? Are there Android smartphones that don't have "Google services"?

Brandon


RE: Suck it!
By Mitch101 on 9/2/2010 11:23:44 AM , Rating: 2
E-Readers and Tablets come to mind. Google recently banned a number of devices to android marketplace that weren't approved.

Future
I believe there are a few MP3/MP4 android devices in development. Expect it to sneak into a few GPS's as well.


RE: Suck it!
By DEVGRU on 9/2/2010 12:49:57 PM , Rating: 5
Nutboy Jobs is probably holding the sales number charts wrong.


RE: Suck it!
By Gio6518 on 9/2/2010 8:00:55 PM , Rating: 1
While over 75% of iPhone 4 activation are upgrades.

Man he is freakin out.


RE: Suck it!
By CZroe on 9/2/2010 8:30:10 PM , Rating: 3
Before someone tries to argue that an Apple iOS device activation that happens to be an upgrade still does not remove the previous device from the market due to second-hand sales and hand-me-downs: it's not for Apple's lack of trying! With no expandable memory or replaceable battery, they are still engineered to be disposable to enforce an upgrade cycle. It's why the USB cables don't even have real tension reporters on the connector ends (the insulation cracks around the little rubber protrusion instead).


RE: Suck it!
By hyvonen on 9/6/2010 10:19:25 PM , Rating: 2
six six six


RE: Suck it!
By lamerz4391 on 9/2/2010 11:23:16 AM , Rating: 3
There are Android tablets and netbooks that use the OS but do not license Google's added services and app store. I take it that these are not included in Google's activation count.


RE: Suck it!
By erikejw on 9/6/2010 12:10:59 PM , Rating: 2
There is an unusual low count of -1 ratings in the comments.
Have the Apple fanboys given up?

Maybe they have connection problems ;)

They might have gone into denial mode,
if I don't read it it doesn't exist.


RE: Suck it!
By Tony Swash on 9/6/10, Rating: -1
RE: Suck it!
By MrWho on 9/7/2010 5:39:51 PM , Rating: 1
Ah, there you are! :)


RE: Suck it!
By Iaiken on 9/2/2010 11:29:34 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
only include devices that have Google services


This means that only devices that are actually reaching out to the Google cloud and using official Google applications (gmail, latitude, talk, buzz, sync, etc.) are counted. While this use is personally anonymous, they track individual devices.

To say that a company as adept at information aggregation as Google can't get their stats right is stupid, to say that they are flat out lying would be plausible if it weren't coming from a known liar like Steve Jobs.

It's pretty easy for google to use marketplace stats and cloud stats to figure out how many active phones there are in the marketplace, heck, they could probably figure out how many derelict phones are exiting the market.


RE: Suck it!
By superPC on 9/2/2010 12:03:31 PM , Rating: 2
that would explained why those men in white coats are looking for steve. maybe he missed his morning shot.


RE: Suck it!
By theArchMichael on 9/2/2010 3:33:13 PM , Rating: 2
The B&N Nook e-reader runs on Android.


RE: Suck it!
By chagrinnin on 9/2/2010 6:54:59 PM , Rating: 4
heh heh, "Nookie-reader"


RE: Suck it!
By quiksilvr on 9/2/2010 11:01:25 AM , Rating: 5
A liar accusing another liar about a lie is telling...the truth?


RE: Suck it!
By FredEx on 9/2/2010 10:01:41 PM , Rating: 2
<indignance>"THERE IS NO ANTENNA PROBLEM!"</indignance>

<whisper>"psssst...hey guys, is that antenna redesign done yet?"</whisper>


RE: Suck it!
By clovell on 9/2/2010 11:09:38 AM , Rating: 2
Why does Steve care? After decades of marketing itself as the outsider in an industry dominated by Microsoft, now all we hear is, "omaigawudguys - we have reel competition!1!one"


RE: Suck it!
By inighthawki on 9/2/2010 11:44:13 AM , Rating: 5
He cares because he is realizing for the first time that their mobile lineup is being threatened by a very high quality competitor product.


RE: Suck it!
By Targon on 9/2/2010 5:07:44 PM , Rating: 4
This may be splitting hairs, but this is an apples to oranges comparison. Android is an OS, and single Google has given up on being a phone manufacturer, they don't sell Android directly to the consumer.

Now, if you compare iOS to other operating systems, it isn't anything special. People look at the iPhone as something amazing, but most of it is hype. iOS vs. Android or Palm/HP WebOS looks dated and weak. Apple has not been terribly innovative, and that is why it is falling behind.


RE: Suck it!
By Tony Swash on 9/2/10, Rating: -1
RE: Suck it!
By inighthawki on 9/2/2010 6:35:51 PM , Rating: 2
You make a valid point, but you still cannot argue that Android is a very large threat to iOS in the smartphone market. People will likely see "iPhone" instead of thinking about the iOS, but in the end, people also see an "Android" smartphone, in addition to the "samsung this or that." This is still something that is of importance to Apple's market.

You know as well as I do that it won't be long before you start hearing "hey, I heard Android is a better phone than the iPhone." Despite it literally not making sense, that's how the average person thinks. They don't know iphone vs ios or android vs <insert any phone with android on it>. They just see the thing that is the most heavily advertised, and assume thats what the phone itself is.


RE: Suck it!
By Tony Swash on 9/3/2010 11:35:22 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
You make a valid point, but you still can argue that Android is a very large threat to iOS in the smartphone market. People will likely see "iPhone" instead of thinking about the iOS, but in the end, people also see an "Android" smartphone, in addition to the "samsung this or that." This is still something that is of importance to Apple's market.

You know as well as I do that it won't be long before you start hearing "hey, I heard Android is a better phone than the iPhone." Despite it literally not making sense, that's how the average person thinks. They don't know iphone vs ios or android vs <insert any phone with android on it>. They just see the thing that is the most heavily advertised, and assume thats what the phone itself is.


I changed a typo in your comment (I think you meant to type "can argue" and not "cannot argue") - I hope that is OK

Android allows some handset makers to offer products that are competitive with the iPhone whereas without Android they could not. I don't see any evidence that this has impacted Apple's sales however. This is all, of course, somewhat hypothetical, no one knows what Apple's sales of iPhone would have been if Android was not around, but Apple currently cannot make enough iPhones to keep up with demand. Its worth noting that in passing that Apple has also upped iPad manufacture to 2 million a month and is planning increasing that to 3 million.

My sense of what is happening is that both Android and iOS have pressed into Nokia sales and also put pressure on RIM, so rather than competing against each other they seem to be competing as to who can take third party sales.

Androids success (and it saved many handset makers from quick oblivion but has not yet restored their profitability) seems to been have largely by filling the vacuum left by the implosion of the Microsoft mobile platform. Even for MS this was one giant fumble.

If Windows Phone 7 fails (or is even just a mediocre success) then Ballmer is almost certainly doomed as CEO, and MS will be nowhere in the next tech wave. So there is a lot riding on WP7 for MS - so they will be investing enormous amounts of time, talent and above all money into signing up handset makers.

I thinks is almost certain that every WP7 handset sold next year will be one less Android device so the Android versus WP7 battle is going to be of great importance in the next year.


RE: Suck it!
By inighthawki on 9/4/2010 9:57:49 PM , Rating: 2
Well I actually did mean "cannot", that is... there is no doubt that Android is a large threat, there's no argument there. But I will have to agree and disagree with some points. You bring up an interesting point about Android filling in the gap from win mobile, but I don't know if that's 100% accurate. Up until the iphone, there win mobile was a pretty standard style OS for a phone, but now things are different. We have OSs on phones that do everything from making phone calls to playing games, and I think in the end it's all about what features that phone supports over what OS it actually is. I'm actually very interested in win phone 7 myself, as it looks like a large break from the usual style phone OS and has a few neat features like the live integration (though i don't know what i'll really do). Only time will tell if it's a hit, but I think it's different enough that people might take a second glance.


RE: Suck it!
By Gio6518 on 9/2/2010 7:58:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:


This may be splitting hairs, but this is an apples to oranges comparison. Android is an OS, and single Google has given up on being a phone manufacturer, they don't sell Android directly to the consumer.


To me iOS on from Apple is just an OS, (or even their computers) they don't manufacture parts, they call Samsung, ill take a million processors and screens and drop ship them to foxconn, and they'll assemble them....

It's like me ordering parts from new egg, then ship them somewhere to assemble them, then in turn they ship to a customer, that paid me for a pc.


RE: Suck it!
By Tony Swash on 9/3/2010 12:17:07 PM , Rating: 2
Which hand set maker or computer OEM doesn't do this? Your describing how the whole industry works.

In fact Apple does this less than others and tries, wherever practical, to vertically integrate their component stack. For example Apple's recent purchases of various chip designer companies and their first bespoke chip offering the A4 (used in the iPhone 4, new iPod Touch, iPad and new Apple TV) strongly signals the likely use of unique Apple chips in future products.


RE: Suck it!
By superPC on 9/2/2010 11:56:49 AM , Rating: 4
I always wonder what apple would be like after steve died. not that i'm wishing him dead soon, i love a good laugh and good old steve never fails to provide.


RE: Suck it!
By Gio6518 on 9/3/2010 12:02:52 AM , Rating: 4
quote:


I always wonder what apple would be like after steve died. not that i'm wishing him dead soon, i love a good laugh and good old steve never fails to provide.


A video with Steve denying that's he's really dead, will be hanging over his coffin on a yellowish MAC screen.


RE: Suck it!
By RjBass on 9/2/2010 12:54:52 PM , Rating: 2
Give this user a 6!!!!


RE: Suck it!
By jhb116 on 9/3/2010 9:06:10 PM , Rating: 2
Great.... When I first read this, I was thinking of the Pot calling the Kettle black axiom..


In all fairness...
By Donkey2008 on 9/2/2010 11:11:39 AM , Rating: 2
Apple is still around and is the forth largest computer and third largest handset maker in the world. Their profits are sky high, their stock price is sky high and they are doing pretty damn well. Considering they did this with a completely closed environment on almost all of their products from MAC OS to iPhone, I would say that their sex life is indeed pretty good.

Unless you are a completely biased tech person (which about 98% of all IT people I have ever met are), you have to at least admit that Apple has worked their nitch like no other company in technology history.

By the way, proud PC and Droid X owner here.




RE: In all fairness...
By Superguy on 9/2/2010 11:36:51 AM , Rating: 5
Of course he has a great sex life. Look at how many people he's screwing with his prices and closed platform. :)


RE: In all fairness...
By twhittet on 9/2/2010 1:35:44 PM , Rating: 2
I really hope he uses protection while doing that. Maybe that's why he gave away all those iPhone cases for free? That would make more sense than him actually caring about the signal quality.


RE: In all fairness...
By Justin Time on 9/2/2010 6:34:05 PM , Rating: 3
Be fair... I don't recall Steve saying that his sex life involved other people.


RE: In all fairness...
By raumkrieger on 9/2/2010 11:54:54 AM , Rating: 5
I've always admitted and I will always admit that Apple has one of the best marketing/design teams on the planet. That's it.

I've been called extremely biased, and that's probably true, but I prefer function over form.


RE: In all fairness...
By danobrega on 9/2/2010 12:16:29 PM , Rating: 2
That is exactly why it doesn't make any sense for Mr Jobs to be comparing penis sizes when Apple's and Google's penises are already larger then what they should be.


RE: In all fairness...
By Ytsejamer1 on 9/2/2010 12:37:44 PM , Rating: 2
"I see your schwartz is as BIG as mine!!!!"

Come on...someone find the picture of Lonestar and Dark Helmet facing off. Classic...


RE: In all fairness...
By putergeek00 on 9/2/2010 2:14:56 PM , Rating: 2
Reading that made me want to see it again. Just once. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S25Zf8svHZQ


RE: In all fairness...
By tharik on 9/5/2010 11:26:53 AM , Rating: 2
completely closed, but based on BSD Unix


Sour Apples..
By DukeN on 9/2/2010 10:39:11 AM , Rating: 4
Nothing else.

Steve's OS is going to be kiboshed yet again, just this time it's not Windows.

Steve dude, gotta let it go - either let go of the control, or admit you're not going to be at the top of the list. Or you'll have a lot more panties in a bunch (which can then be sold to Apple fanbois as a premium add-on to their Jobs blowup dolls).




RE: Sour Apples..
By Chaser on 9/2/2010 10:40:57 AM , Rating: 2
and free iPhone 4 bumper...


RE: Sour Apples..
By sviola on 9/2/2010 10:47:45 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Steve's OS is going to be kiboshed yet again, just this time it's not Windows.


Well, Windows may have a part in this too later this year (with WP7, if it is successful).


RE: Sour Apples..
By corduroygt on 9/2/2010 11:40:36 AM , Rating: 5
WP7 is just as locked to MS as the iphone is locked to Apple, and it doesn't even have features that the iphone got slammed for not having in the past such as copy/paste and multitasking. Apple has the user experience advantage, while Google has the open platform advantage, where does this leave WP7?


RE: Sour Apples..
By dark matter on 9/2/10, Rating: -1
RE: Sour Apples..
By cjohnson2136 on 9/8/2010 3:14:20 PM , Rating: 1
Actually I wouldn't mind a Win 7 phone but thats cause i am in the middle of a class on win 7 phone and android development. I want the phone that I can develop on easier. So we will see what I get


RE: Sour Apples..
By Cheesew1z69 on 9/2/2010 2:30:02 PM , Rating: 2
WP7 is tied to MS? Well, yea, it's their product. Difference here is, WP7 is not going to be tied to just ONE phone.


I can already see the next marketing....
By Bloodknight on 9/2/2010 10:37:28 AM , Rating: 2
It will be with 2 guys, a young guy and an older one...

The young one will look cool and will be call Iphone.
The old one will be sort of like a robot and will be called Android and will look clunky....

It will be small sketch with false information saying how the IPhone is better than the droid....




RE: I can already see the next marketing....
By menting on 9/2/2010 10:56:34 AM , Rating: 3
google can just respond by making minor changes to the iphone4 vs EVO video and airing that


By theapparition on 9/2/2010 12:09:00 PM , Rating: 5
I don't care


Who is the biggest liar here?
By serkol on 9/2/10, Rating: 0
RE: Who is the biggest liar here?
By Camikazi on 9/2/2010 2:11:07 PM , Rating: 2
Yea cause Google isn't Apples biggest competitor and they didn't just put out a number of 200k per day (just below Apples numbers). He doesn't have to state a name for people to know who they mean, you know he doesn't mean MS and you know RIM isn't getting those numbers, it's only Google who could scare Jobs enough for him to even try to make Google look bad.


RE: Who is the biggest liar here?
By MartyLK on 9/4/2010 5:09:17 AM , Rating: 1
Fear in competition isn't a bad thing. It keeps them on their toes and ready to do what is necessary to retain the lead. However, it's fear among non-Americans that intrigues me. They are the most vocal about Apple's dominance in the world market. They can't stand that an *American!* electronics company is leading and their native company is not. I, of course, love the Hell out of it. Makes me laugh my ass off at the ignorant, pimple-headed freaks.

It is the United States of America that has invented every God Damn thing in the universe that those ignorant f*cks use daily. I can imagine them cussing out our American electronics while they happily use them.

Suck on that you friggin idiotic foreigners. I hope your native electronics enterprise goes south (to Hell) in a big way. Friggin morons....


RE: Who is the biggest liar here?
By Tony Swash on 9/4/2010 1:06:03 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Fear in competition isn't a bad thing. It keeps them on their toes and ready to do what is necessary to retain the lead. However, it's fear among non-Americans that intrigues me. They are the most vocal about Apple's dominance in the world market. They can't stand that an *American!* electronics company is leading and their native company is not. I, of course, love the Hell out of it. Makes me laugh my ass off at the ignorant, pimple-headed freaks.

It is the United States of America that has invented every God Damn thing in the universe that those ignorant f*cks use daily. I can imagine them cussing out our American electronics while they happily use them.

Suck on that you friggin idiotic foreigners. I hope your native electronics enterprise goes south (to Hell) in a big way. Friggin morons....


You seem an inordinately nice and relaxed man :)


RE: Who is the biggest liar here?
By MartyLK on 9/4/10, Rating: 0
RE: Who is the biggest liar here?
By sleepeeg3 on 9/2/2010 6:27:40 PM , Rating: 2
Apple is lying about iPad purchases, so it all evens out. I see no fault of JM, on this one.


By Tony Swash on 9/3/2010 11:00:05 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Apple is lying about iPad purchases,


... and then there was this

http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20100903/apple-...

quote:
Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.
  - Philip K. Dick


Poor Apple
By MrTeal on 9/2/2010 10:50:28 AM , Rating: 2
All I thought of when I read this was a scene out of the original Star Trek.

PR "Engineer": Capt'n, the reality distortion field is failing! One more hit like that and it will fail!

Capt. Jobs: You've got to give me more power! And a frappucino.

PR "Engineer": I just cannot do it, Capt'n. Except for the coffee, I'll be back in a minute...




RE: Poor Apple
By Dribble on 9/2/2010 11:00:18 AM , Rating: 4
PR "Engineer": Sorry couldn't find the coffee, just shelves full of flashy looking fro-yo.


Wake up, mr. Jobs
By bug77 on 9/2/2010 10:59:40 AM , Rating: 2
You're closed, Google's open. Sheer volume is the one area you won't win. You've been there before: Mac vs PC, remember?




RE: Wake up, mr. Jobs
By Ammohunt on 9/2/2010 1:50:07 PM , Rating: 3
Hooray! for open systems!


To get this out of the way
By EasyC on 9/2/2010 11:09:32 AM , Rating: 5
I'll try to get the cliche Apple responses :)

Steve: Ok Android, we're not perfect, but we're better than you.
-----
Google: Steve, you're holding your sales report wrong.
-----
Google: We don't include all android devices or upgrades, just ones with google services.
Steve: I don't care.
Google: We have actually passed you in marketshare months ago.
Steve: I don't care.
Google: We sell more new android devices per day than you.
Steve: I don't care. I have the wifis and bigger gee bees.
-----
Steve: Google, our sales reports are simply magical and revolutionary!

... and that's I can think of for now. Proceed.




Android... why so defensive?
By msheredy on 9/2/10, Rating: 0
RE: Android... why so defensive?
By robert5c on 9/2/2010 12:37:44 PM , Rating: 4
hmmm,

so you ignore the facts presented clearly by Google, with data to back it up, and without the use of words that could be misunderstood for their benefit...

and instead accept what Mr. Job verbally says without showing any evidence,

while at the same time pronouncing the defendants guilty for defending themselves?

what a fine judge you will make some day!

Your grade school use of "who smelt it dealt it" is a great contribution to society


Android tablets
By therealnickdanger on 9/3/2010 8:13:29 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Even with only having a single respectively low volume tablet/mobile-internet-device at present (the Dell Streak)

Forgive me if I'm taking this out of context, but I should point out that there are and have been many more Android tablets in the wild than just the Streak - ever since Android 1.5. Archos, Gentouch, Samsung, Rockchip, and lots of other unknown Chinese brands. Lots of cheap ones too - all official.

This is a decent site with a good selection:
http://www.euogo.com




RE: Android tablets
By therealnickdanger on 9/3/2010 1:20:10 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry, Gentouch is a model produced by Augen.


one morning he just woke up and heard about
By tharik on 9/5/2010 11:09:24 AM , Rating: 2
one morning he just woke up and heard about Microsoft, he seemed surprised that people would buy PC's that were not solely manufactured by Apple fot a premium price.

Almost seems like history is repeating itself.




By Tony Swash on 9/6/2010 4:26:05 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
one morning he just woke up and heard about Microsoft, he seemed surprised that people would buy PC's that were not solely manufactured by Apple fot a premium price.

Almost seems like history is repeating itself.


Just a couple of historical corrections. Steve Jobs left Apple in 1985 not long after the original Mac was launched in 1984, one of the issues that precipitated his leaving (there were many) was his failed attempt to convince the Apple board and management to sell the Mac at a lower price. At that time the main competitor to Apple were IBM. By the time he returned to Apple in 1997 the desktop platform wars were over and Windows had triumphed over Apple, IBM and all its competitors.

You may find this useful

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc.


Ha Ha!
By Nutzo on 9/2/2010 1:10:34 PM , Rating: 2
Ha Ha!
Nice to see Apple finally being taken down a notch.

My company used to only allow Blackberry phones, but last year a couple people (managers) wanted to use iphones, so I setup active sync on the servers for them. Forward to this year, and we now have more people using Android phones than iphones, while the number of Blackberries continue to drop.

iphone are so last-year, teh people who have to have the latest and greatest seem to be buying Android phones now.

I don't thing the 1st version of the Windows 7 phones will have much of an impact on sales of the iphone or Android, it's Blackberry that seems to be loosing market share.




RE: Ha Ha!
By Tony Swash on 9/2/2010 6:33:47 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
iphone are so last-year, tech people who have to have the latest and greatest seem to be buying Android phones now.


Of course tech people are only a tiny slice of the market. The future of the mobile market (or any other market) will not be decided or even substantially affected by the preferences or purchases of techies.

(I took the liberty of correcting your typo - hope you don't mind)


Lots of non-phone devices
By nafhan on 9/2/2010 10:38:19 AM , Rating: 2
If he said "iOS devices", he's probably including iTouch and iPad wifi as well.
Also, Apple's probably counting some upgraders, too. Depending on how account info is entered, phone number changes, etc. it's very likely that they aren't all new users.
It'll be interesting to see how this goes once non-phone Android devices start shipping as well.




google calculators
By Dankbuddha on 9/2/2010 12:25:00 PM , Rating: 2
The folks at google must not have been holding their calculators right.




By nolisi on 9/2/2010 12:35:36 PM , Rating: 2
Look at the car market for confirmation. Premium cars sell in very low volumes for a reason. If Jobs wants Apple's iPhone to have premium status, then he can have it. But let's not pretend that a (generally) lower priced yet just as functional competitor (if not more so) which has more manufacturer and service provider support (meaning more direct competition)isn't outselling the premium model. Logically, it's not how the market works.

Also, Steve, you've got a history of lying and living in denial. Google has yet to be caught in a major lie. And they beat Microsoft in search. Don't think they can't do it to you on the phone front.




Why no iPod Touch clones?
By Tony Swash on 9/3/2010 6:27:08 AM , Rating: 2
On September 1st, Apple announced that 120 million iOS devices were sold to date.

We know that there were 59.6 million iPhones sold through June (from SEC filings)
We also know that 3.2 million iPads were sold.

If we assume about 8 million iPhones and 4 million iPads were sold during August and July, the total number of iPod Touch sold is 45.2 million.

That is 37.7% of total units

The latest iOS numbers and the new iPod touch launch demonstrate what a huge hit the iPod Touch has become. It’s safe to assume that about half of all iPods, or between 4 and 5 million units in the current quarter, are sold as touch versions.

The iPod Touch has been around about as long as the iPhone. It was launched three months after the first iPhone 2G, almost exactly three years ago. While the iPad has been in the market less than six months, a large number of potential competitors have been launched running Android and there seems to be a real rush to market. Six months is about as quickly as any hardware product can be reasonably engineered.

In the iPod Touch we have a mini iPad and ironically the dig at the iPad was that it was nothing more than a large iPod Touch.

So the question is why is the iPad being cloned while the iPod has remained in the market by itself?

If cloners are rushing to copy the iPad, why not its smaller incarnation?

Thanks to Asymco for this




No Android activation for me
By Visual on 9/3/2010 9:31:46 AM , Rating: 2
I have a Galaxy S and I have not "activated" anything about it... because no greedy bastards ever de-activated it in the first place. It's not locked to a provider or any such crap. It just works.




By Zensen on 9/4/2010 12:08:08 AM , Rating: 2
Just like that comment hey Steve Jobs... You're so full of it!

you of all people know how to twist stats around to make your company look better than it is to everyone else.




Nexus One still is best
By BigDDesign on 9/7/2010 6:59:15 AM , Rating: 2
Nexus One is still the most productive smart phone I have ever used. Shame that sales to the consumer has been curtailed. I use it for business, and nothing comes remotely close. I own a HD2 and it is great for YouTube. But my Nexus One has just so much speed and ease of use. Google, if you're listening, please don't give up on producing a phone. The slim form factor works in your pocket. The new larger screens don't fit in anything but a case. You can bring your man purse with you, but the N1 is just what the doctor ordered to make my life easier away from my desk. Froyo is coming to other phones, I know. But will they screw it up?




By othercents on 9/7/2010 11:26:41 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
"We think some of our friends are counting upgrades in their numbers."

Steve Jobs is saying that it is unfair that Android is counting the people who are upgrading from the iPhone.

Other




I can confirm what Apple says
By MartyLK on 9/3/2010 10:14:59 PM , Rating: 1
There is likely pure truth in what Lord Jobs says about the activations. I, myself, have activated almost 100 phones alone. I have an HTC HD2, which uses WinMo as the original OS and there are a lot of devs working on Android builds for it. These Android builds are numerous right now and they run from the memory card. Each time you activate a new build, it is the same as activating a new phone. You run through the exact same activation process. I have played with nearly all of the Android builds and I have activated each one numerous times...because they aren't perfect yet. There is ongoing development work and one build will have a bug whereas another build won't and so forth and it leads to a great many re-installs of these builds.

Multiply these activations by the great many other ppl, alone, doing what I do. And I am likely in the conservative class for toying around with these card based Android builds, and you have a severely overinflated activation list.




Calculating iOS sales
By Tony Swash on 9/2/10, Rating: -1
"If they're going to pirate somebody, we want it to be us rather than somebody else." -- Microsoft Business Group President Jeff Raikes














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