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Nova V598 Puppis Composite Image  (Source: Space.com)
Exploding star would have been visible to the naked eye

When a white dwarf star that has a nearby companion star begins to feed off the gas of its companion star, the gas builds up until a nuclear reaction begins on the white dwarf. Once the nuclear reaction begins, the white dwarf is suddenly much, much brighter than it was previously and is known as a nova.

Recently, a white dwarf star in our own Milky Way galaxy went nova and produced enough light that people would have been able to see the light with the naked eye. Despite the fact that researchers have concluded anyone looking at the constellation Puppis would have seen the light produced form the nova, no one reported the event.

The XMM-Newton x-ray telescope happened across the x-rays produced by the nova while changing targets. Space.com reports that team of scientists running the XMM-Newton found that the x-ray source was not listed in the x-ray catalog and narrowed the source of the burst down to three candidates include the culprit known by catalog number USNO-A2.0 0450-03360039.

The XMM-Newton team alerted other astronomers to their find including the team operating the Magellan-Clay telescope at the Las Campas Observatory in Chile. The Chilean team was able to determine that USNO-A2.0 0450-03360039 was the source of the x-rays and that it was 600 times brighter than normal. Analysis of the light from the source classified the object as a nova reports Space.com.

The astronomers say x-rays are not released after a star goes nova for days due to the expanding debris cloud that masks the x-rays early after a nova occurs. That fact indicated that the nova had occurred days prior to the x-rays being discovered.

The nova has been named V598 Puppis and is one of the brightest novas to have occurred for almost a decade. In March 2008 DailyTech reported that light from a supernova that happened billions of years ago had finally reached the Earth.



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The Zenmaster asks...
By jskirwin on 7/28/2008 10:06:44 AM , Rating: 4
Did it make a sound?

Ohm...




RE: The Zenmaster asks...
By DeepBlue1975 on 7/28/2008 10:22:09 AM , Rating: 3
The charm of space explosions is that sound can't propagate in vacuum. Well, the outer space might not be 100% vacuum but certainly the density won't be enough for sound waves to propagate.


RE: The Zenmaster asks...
By svenkesd on 7/28/2008 11:33:25 AM , Rating: 5
Except for the ones in Hollywood. Every explosion in movie/tv space makes a noise.


RE: The Zenmaster asks...
By Brazos on 7/28/2008 12:01:24 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Except for the ones in Hollywood. Every explosion in movie/tv space makes a noise.

Except for Kubricks 2001: A Space Odyssey. I loved the scene when Dave comes back in the through the air lock and it's silent till he hits the air lock valve and once there's air - there's noise. Classic.


RE: The Zenmaster asks...
By Suntan on 7/28/2008 12:27:01 PM , Rating: 5
Yeah, one or two directors take 10 minutes to get even the most basic laws of physics reflected into their movies and everyone praises them as visionaries that were beyond their time.

Just goes to show how dumb the average group of people making movies are.

-Suntan


RE: The Zenmaster asks...
By aliasfox on 7/28/2008 12:38:28 PM , Rating: 4
Actually, Kubrick did it right, as did the original Star Trek. It wasn't until Star Wars made sounds (such as a laser beam making noise. in space.) that everyone else had to as well.

To be honest, while not having noise is technically correct, it also makes the scenes somewhat... dry.


RE: The Zenmaster asks...
By Seemonkeyscanfly on 7/28/2008 4:06:39 PM , Rating: 5
Beuuuu, beuuuu, beuuuu...boom!!!
Yahooo you're all clear kid! Now, blow this place and let's go home.

leave me with my beuuuu, beuuuu....There will be enough silence when I die.


RE: The Zenmaster asks...
By Chernobyl68 on 7/28/2008 6:21:00 PM , Rating: 3
the new Battlestar Galactica does a pretty good job.
As did Firefly.


RE: The Zenmaster asks...
By MamiyaOtaru on 7/29/2008 12:40:59 AM , Rating: 5
Not really. Firefly screwed up on convection. In "Out of Gas" the crew was going to freeze to death before running out of air. haha! fat chance. Virtual vacuum = no heat convection = space ships having a harder time keeping cool than keeping warm.


RE: The Zenmaster asks...
By masher2 (blog) on 8/2/2008 11:12:29 AM , Rating: 2
The BSG pilot stayed fairly close to the laws of physics, but later episodes have been just as bad as anything else. Don't even get me started on how scientifically silly Firefly was.


RE: The Zenmaster asks...
By ggordonliddy on 7/28/2008 6:36:45 PM , Rating: 5
In Star Wars the weapons each played a short MP3 for their laser blast sound, and everyone could hear it by radio broadcast.

That was until the RIAA came along and made space be silent.


RE: The Zenmaster asks...
By MAIA on 7/28/2008 6:53:36 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, and depending on the wavelength of what's traveling through space and its strength, it can make "sounds" when it hits our atmosphere. Several variables make it practically impossible though. Like the thing would have to go supernova in our solar system for example :p

There are several examples of "space sounds". Just ear some audio files on the cassini mission at Saturn. Or even more interesting, the sounds voyager is picking as it reaches the outer limits of our solar system.

It's all about particles and wavelengths ;) ...


RE: The Zenmaster asks...
By masher2 (blog) on 8/2/2008 11:15:50 AM , Rating: 2
> "There are several examples of "space sounds". Just ear some audio files on the cassini mission at Saturn..."

Those aren't actual sounds, though, but simply realizations of what those events would be like if translated into sound.


RE: The Zenmaster asks...
By deeznuts on 7/28/2008 2:17:12 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The charm of space explosions is that sound can't propagate in vacuum. Well, the outer space might not be 100% vacuum but certainly the density won't be enough for sound waves to propagate.

But wouldn't there be enough "stuff" right around the star to make a sound? So there was sound, it just wouldn't reach us?

Never understood that riddle anyway. As I understand it, sound is the vibration or wave or whatever is created. If it's created, it's there, even if nothing is there to "perceive" it.

Maybe I'm simplifying it too much.


RE: The Zenmaster asks...
By Scrogneugneu on 7/28/2008 7:29:40 PM , Rating: 2
It probably made a sound, but if you were close enough to hear it, you'd be dead by now.

Sound is a vibration, it is perceived by our ears when the air vibrates against our eardrums. If there is no air, the vibration cannot exist, since the vibration is in fact the very movement of the air. No air, no air movement. No air movement, no sound.

In fact, that is not completely true : there is sound under water, even though there is no air. That's because water can vibrate, too. There are other stuff that can vibrate and thus propagate sound, but the most common down here is air.


RE: The Zenmaster asks...
By psychmike on 8/2/2008 6:22:31 AM , Rating: 2
Sound isn't just a vibration. By definition, sound is a subjective sensation caused by vibration. Therefore, by definition, if it isn't heard, it isn't sound.

By analogy, pain isn't damage to tissue. You can slice and dice a piece of meat and most people would agree that it isn't in pain. The physical damage must not only cause the firing of nerves but that signal must also be processed in the brain to become pain.

To me, the question of whether sound exists separate from an observer may not be best answered scientifically. It's a spiritual question that generates a sense of wonder that we create the world as we perceive it, that we are inseparable from the world, and that our phenomonological experience is as much a statement about us as it is about the world.

Mike


RE: The Zenmaster asks...
By masher2 (blog) on 8/2/2008 11:14:30 AM , Rating: 2
> "Sound isn't just a vibration. By definition, sound is a subjective sensation caused by vibration"

Eh? Normally sound is defined as a transmitted vibration in the audible range, i.e. one capable of being heard, but not the actual sensation of hearing itself.


umm... a moment in time correction
By wordsworm on 8/2/2008 5:57:40 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
one of the brightest novas to have occurred for almost a decade.


Should read, 'One of the brightest novas to have been seen for almost a decade.' I don't know how far away it actually is, but I'm sure it's more than 10 light years away, meaning it happened more than 10 years ago. I guess I could google it to figure out how long ago it actually happened, but my guess is that we're talking 100s if not 1000s of years ago.




RE: umm... a moment in time correction
By FaceMaster on 8/2/2008 5:22:28 PM , Rating: 2
oh just SHUT UP. I mean like, no offense, but nobody actually cares. You're not correcting anybody as such but you ARE picking over little things like this which DON'T MATTER (honestly, they don't). Why? Do you think the person who wrote this article is stupid? Or are you simply trying to appear cleverer than everybody else?


RE: umm... a moment in time correction
By wordsworm on 8/2/2008 8:30:40 PM , Rating: 1
That's real funny because that's what I told your mama last night.


RE: umm... a moment in time correction
By JimmyC on 8/3/2008 11:16:09 AM , Rating: 2
^6 please, that was one of the greatest replies in the history of DT, if only for who the reply was to.


By wordsworm on 8/3/2008 11:08:22 PM , Rating: 2
He didn't like me talking over his head. I figured he might've found the 'your mama' thing more to his liking. Unfortunately, he still didn't get it. On the other hand, I didn't understand his come back.


RE: umm... a moment in time correction
By FaceMaster on 8/3/2008 1:09:41 PM , Rating: 2
Sigh... if only that made sense. Plus if you'd listened to what she said then why did you still post this load of crap about the speed of light?

Your Mum comes so quickly she's got blue shift.


RE: umm... a moment in time correction
By wordsworm on 8/3/2008 11:10:13 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Your Mum comes so quickly she's got blue shift.


I've never heard someone call my mum a star before. I'm sure she'll appreciate the compliment.


By FaceMaster on 8/4/2008 7:55:03 AM , Rating: 2
I bet she will!


This seemed oddly appropiate...
By ForumMaster on 7/28/2008 8:54:09 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
Fry: "I've never seen a supernova blow up, but if it's anything like my old Chevy Nova, it'll light up the night sky"




RE: This seemed oddly appropiate...
By ElFenix on 7/28/08, Rating: -1
RE: This seemed oddly appropiate...
By therealnickdanger on 7/28/2008 11:17:46 AM , Rating: 5
Well, my next door neighbor just bought a classic Nova Super Sport... is that closer?


RE: This seemed oddly appropiate...
By Etern205 on 7/28/2008 10:27:51 PM , Rating: 2
I bought a in-Nova keychain flashlight and it says the beam can be seen up to 1 mile away. I tried it and there was no news or reports by people seeing this mysterious white light. :\


By spluurfg on 8/6/2008 8:52:15 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
I bought a in-Nova keychain flashlight and it says the beam can be seen up to 1 mile away. I tried it and there was no news or reports by people seeing this mysterious white light. :\


You forgot to read the asterisk:

...beam can be seen up to 1 mile away*

*by owls wearing night vision goggles


Someone Noticed...
By SilthDraeth on 7/28/2008 9:02:12 AM , Rating: 2
Or there would not be this story on Daily Tech. And how are we to believe that out of the billions of people on earth, not one person saw it. It could be they saw it, and didn't think, heave forbid, to call the news.




RE: Someone Noticed...
By SilthDraeth on 7/28/2008 9:02:38 AM , Rating: 2
heaven*


RE: Someone Noticed...
By tmouse on 7/28/2008 9:22:15 AM , Rating: 2
When they said no one I believe they meant no one in the astronomical research community. If one of them observed it probably would have been reported.


RE: Someone Noticed...
By Spivonious on 7/28/2008 9:23:58 AM , Rating: 2
I'd like to say I could have seen it, but there's so much light pollution around me that I have trouble seeing Orion some nights.

That and it could have been cloudy that night.


RE: Someone Noticed...
By omnicronx on 7/28/08, Rating: -1
RE: Someone Noticed...
By SilthDraeth on 7/28/2008 11:22:05 AM , Rating: 2
Thank you. I read the article. I didn't instantly reply to be the first poster, nor did I talk about what story should or should not be on DT. I simply stated someone did notice.

You can spend your whole life staring at the sky and never see a star go nova. Heck you could be looking to the south and it lights up the north for a second and you miss it.

I find that is interesting the star went nova in our galaxy and hopefully we learn a lot from our observation equipment. The fact of the matter is, we have this equipment observing the sky because it is impossible for humans to make every observation.


So...
By exanimas on 7/28/2008 2:03:53 PM , Rating: 5
That's why I missed it!

I had my telescope pointed at USNO-A2.0 0450-03360034! Damn sloppy handwriting.




RE: So...
By Seemonkeyscanfly on 7/28/2008 4:14:49 PM , Rating: 2
Me, I lost my invitation to the viewing. Really upsetting, I heard the food was great, free drinks, and everyone was there...Big dipper, little dipper, the twins...party of the millennium and I lose my invitation?!?!??


Follow up:
By charlieee on 7/28/2008 6:59:45 PM , Rating: 2
As a follow up to my post in March 2008,
http://www.dailytech.com/Did+You+See+the+Supernova... I'll state that He will appear with a glory or brightness after the opening of the sixth seal (Revelation 6:12) that will not be as great as what he displays in about a thousand years after that time.




RE: Follow up:
By ADDAvenger on 7/28/2008 7:11:06 PM , Rating: 2
Your link doesn't work, and I have no idea what you're talking about


RE: Follow up:
By marsbound2024 on 7/28/2008 7:12:13 PM , Rating: 2
Are you making some sort of random linkage from the Bible to this supernova?

People will think up random correlations in anything.


By jabber on 7/28/2008 9:14:07 AM , Rating: 4
....thats one big assed sky up there!




wrong?
By BAFrayd on 7/30/2008 4:49:34 AM , Rating: 2
Obviously, someone noticed.




RE: wrong?
By boogle on 8/1/2008 5:06:41 AM , Rating: 2
A computer noticed it, as an X-Ray receiver was repositioned. But as the article said, X-Rays are picked up a few days AFTER the star goes nova.


OMG
By Yames on 7/28/2008 1:40:37 PM , Rating: 2
There are how many stars out there, and we are supposed to analyzed each one, every day. I mean 600x may sound like a lot until you realize our vantage point.




Recently?
By Jeff7181 on 7/28/2008 6:55:40 PM , Rating: 2
"Recently, a white dwarf star in our own Milky Way galaxy went nova and produced enough light that people would have been able to see the light with the naked eye."

How recent? How far away is the star? Couple hundred light years or millions?




.
By bohhad on 8/5/2008 12:10:15 AM , Rating: 2
.




I missed it?!
By LatinMessiah on 8/5/2008 2:50:23 PM , Rating: 2
I must have been tying my shoe.




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