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Sprint has two phones capable of using its 4G WiMAX network -- the EVO 4G and the just-launched Epic 4G. T-Mobile has no current phones compatible with its 3.5G HSPA+ network, but will soon get its first, the G2 Android smart phone.  (Source: Sprint)
Next gen coverage is reaching more users

Fourth generation wireless technology (4G) offers faster data transmission speeds which is critical to smartphones or computers using tethering to access the internet.

This week Sprint, the third largest carrier in the U.S., announced that three more cities are covered by its 4G network.  The additions to the official coverage list are Boston, MA; Daytona Beach, FL; and Providence, RI.  With the additions, Sprint now covers over 40 million people in approximately 40 large U.S. cities.

Sprint is betting on the 4G tech WiMAX.  Verizon, AT&T, and T-Mobile have all pledged to support a rival technology -- LTE -- though only Verizon has begun to implement an LTE test network.  Sprint says it won't rule out developing an LTE network at some point, but for now thinks WiMAX is the superior tech. 

Sprint has finally got its act together and released a pair of 4G-capable phones.  Its HTC EVO 4Gwas the first 4G phone to hit.  Now the Epic 4G is offered as well, giving buyers yet another option.  And Sprint also offers a 4G ready USB modem and wireless hotspot, via a partnership with Sierra wireless.

T-Mobile, the fourth largest carrier in the U.S. is opting for a different approach.  Instead of a direct leap to a 4G tech like LTE, its rolling out a "3.5G" technology HSPA+ technology.  HSPA stands for High-Speed Packet Access, and HSPA+ combines the advances of HSDPA (faster packet downloads) and HSUPA (faster uploads).

The company claims HSPA+ offers "4G-like" speeds.  While some (namely AT&T) take issue with these claims, the tech is much faster than 3G and T-Mobile is rolling it out at a more rapid speed than Sprint or Verizon's 4G rollout.

Of course there's one minor problem -- the company currently has no HSPA+ phones.  The first to land will be the Android G2.

But for those with T-Mobile wireless modems, they can now get HSPA+ speeds in nine new cities -- Boston, MA; Erie, PA; Fresno, CA; Palm Springs, CA; San Diego, CA; Miami, FL; Richmond, VA; Spokane, WA; or Topeka, KS.

Neville Ray, chief network officer for T-Mobile USA comments, "Our new network offers today’s available 4G speeds to more people than any other wireless network in the country and we’re not done yet.  We are now on pace to more than double our HSPA+ footprint – reaching more than 200 million people by this year – with plans to offer 42Mbps theoretical speeds in 2011."

Its obvious there is demand for 3.5G and 4G technologies.  What's frustrating is that while Sprint, T-Mobile and others charge ahead with their deployment, there still are relatively few compatible handsets (or none in T-Mobile's case).

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By mrdeez on 9/1/2010 8:51:10 PM , Rating: 1
I wish they would let us know an approximate time for each city.

How will others blow Sprint away? Please explain your angry rant.

By sprockkets on 9/1/2010 10:09:49 PM , Rating: 1
Easy. When the rest of the world uses LTE when it is ready, which Verizon is already testing, it's going to be TRUE 4G, as in, they've already tested phones getting 40mbps, not a paltry 3mb.

By Strk on 9/1/2010 10:20:15 PM , Rating: 2
It is 4g, but the downside to WiMax is that the range kind of sucks and it tends to have terrible penetration

By TheRequiem on 9/2/2010 1:33:02 AM , Rating: 2
Actually, your statement is completely incorrect. WiMAX uses bands much higher then 700 mhz,therefore, has much farther range then LTE. However, it has less building penetration then LTE, but the differences are minuscule. Verizon's LTE is true 4G, yes, but technically so is WiMAX and they BOTH have theoretical speeds well over 100mbps. You'll see those types of speeds within 3 - 5 years on both technologies. Let's not forget because Sprint has a large footprint already in 4G, they will also be the first to have much higher speeds when upgraded. Clearwire is claiming they will be field testing 4G STABLE LTE next year at 20 - 80mbps down speeds, which is technically already a 4.5G. Something other companies will not have for awhile...

By BruceLeet on 9/2/2010 5:42:35 AM , Rating: 2
It's funny when people want to argue about what technology is better when in truth they're finding pro's and con's that even it out. 3G? 3.5G? 4G-like? true 4G?

Given all their flaws argued I think it's still at 3G.

By Chaser on 9/2/2010 8:25:15 AM , Rating: 2
Well you think wrong. How about 4G? Yeah 4G. Read the above posts rather than your baseless, dismissive, wishful guess.

By sprockkets on 9/2/2010 7:08:03 PM , Rating: 2
That's a load of crap and you know it. 3G didn't debut at 300kbps, which is barely faster than 2.5G.

And frequencies have nothing to do with it; 2G and 3G are used on various frequencies from 850 all the way up to 2100mhz.

By InvertMe on 9/2/2010 10:08:19 AM , Rating: 3
Caps lock in title ftw! :)

HSPA+ bull#*@#
By zorxd on 9/1/2010 11:08:31 PM , Rating: 2
We have had HSPA+ for a while across Canada (covering 85-90% of the population maybe) from our three main carriers. They all brag about their 21 Mbps speed and how it is the fastest network in the country.
What they forgot is that none of them have any 21 Mbps phone. But yes, you can buy their 21 Mbps "turbo stick" along with their 500 MB data plan. This way you can run out of data even faster, in just 3 minutes!

RE: HSPA+ bull#*@#
By heffeque on 9/2/2010 10:05:35 AM , Rating: 3
500 MB? Wow, we get 5 GB por 25 euros a month in Spain, and if you go over 5 GB, they slow you down, but they don't charge you more or cut the service.
Also Orange is rolling out an 84 Mbps 3.75G and later on an LTE network.

Wireless carriers
By Hans Gruber on 9/2/2010 8:10:59 AM , Rating: 3
At&T's speed is a joke. In Seattle, they are at 1400kbps to 1500kbps. These speeds are throttled by their network routers so HSPA on AT&%T at 7.2kbps is an arbitrary number that can never be reached.

Just because Big Red is switching to LTE which means Long Term Evolution, doesn't really imply speed but LTE boasts max throughput up to 900-1000 mega bits which translates up to 100 megabytes per second theoretical max. I've heard rumors that LTE is evolving very slowly and Verizon as well as many other carriers around the world are struggling with the technology. Verizon's fail safe could be rolling out EVDO Rev. B which should give 8 mega bit downloads at best.

T-Mobile is the dark horse that everyone has forgotten about. HSPA is pushing 4-5 mega bits on Android while HSPA+ will be pushing 8-9 mega bit speeds. These are average speeds, not best case scenario speeds. HSPA is built into the existing towers and will have full coverage in every city.

Sprint, has not been given credit for their outstanding network and great call quality. Sprint is given credit for their world renowned awful customer service. Sprint is hurting growth potential by sticking it to their customers with a $10 4G BS charge. Many of you do not know that Sprint's CEO has publicly stated the 4G network cost much less to operate than their 3G EVDO network. Sprint certainly is showing pretty good speeds on their 4G network. However, without the $10 4G charge, Sprint would have added another 500,000 customers.

It really doesn't matter what the maximum throughput is of each data network. None of the networks come close to their theoretical max. This is because their network pipe is either not big enough or they are throttling data traffic.

My dark horse is T-Mobile, they were last to arrive with 3G and their network speeds will benefit from the newest technology.

By InTheNameOfMyself on 9/1/2010 9:16:53 PM , Rating: 2
I hope it works, you know.

By InvertMe on 9/2/2010 10:07:34 AM , Rating: 2
Of course there's one minor problem -- the company currently has no HSPA+ phones.

The HD2 is HSPA+ compatible and I get HSPA+ in my area - it's super fast. While faster is always better the speeds offered by HSPA+ let me seemlessly stream media and download files very quickly.

My only complaint is that I have about a 5-6 mile radius around my work that offers the faster speed. Once I go beyond that... well it's not so good.

4g and all
By leexgx on 9/2/2010 10:37:53 PM , Rating: 2
personally i just want the Phone to be reliable connection to the network on my HD1 its locked allways to 2g (GSM/GPRS) as i find Phones have an tendency to Hang onto an 3g or More so 3.5g (H/H+ speed) connection when there is in fact no signal but there is plenty 2g coverage

must admit my HTC desire seems to have better luck at moving over to 2g when its at 1 bar and in doing so getting better signal (better then the G1 or HD1) with phone makers would fix it so it would move over to 2g when signal is below -100 db or 20% or lower signal level

as there are always more 2g towers then 2g/3g towers and when they come 4g as well

Wimax i think is an dead end for phones as uses more power then LTE

4G crap
By sprockkets on 9/1/10, Rating: -1
RE: 4G crap
By osalcido on 9/1/2010 7:36:07 PM , Rating: 2
What exactly are you angry about here? That this technology is rolling out in the US or that it's slow?

RE: 4G crap
By heffeque on 9/2/2010 10:01:59 AM , Rating: 2
He's angry with the fact that Sprint uses the "4G" word to make people think that their WiMAX is faster than the GSM 3.5G, when in fact it isn't.

The future is GSM LTE (what Verizon and AT&T will be rolling out soon) because "this" 4G can get faster speeds than 3.5G and Sprint's 4G with less overhead and shorter latencies.

RE: 4G crap
By theArchMichael on 9/1/2010 9:01:32 PM , Rating: 2
I don't know about sprint... but we have Clear WiMax here in DC (I actually think Sprint may be a partner along with Google and others). They advertise 3Mbps->6Mbps. In the city people are getting like 5Mbps apparently, thats a pretty good improvement over 3G IMO.

RE: 4G crap
By TheRequiem on 9/1/2010 9:31:57 PM , Rating: 2
AT&T's 3G is faster than Sprint's 4G? Hahaha, I think that is probably the most RIDICULOUS and ABSURD comment I have ever heard in my life, to be quite frank! My friends and family can't even call me without having their calls drop on AT&T, much less get any type of "decent" speed, especially during peak hours. Meanwhile, I have co-workers browsing the internet at 10mbps here in the office on Sprint's & Clearwire's 4G. Don't forget that little "3mbps" WiMAX speed your talking about will be upgraded to speeds close to 100 mbps in a year or so with simple software updates. Also, don't forget WiMAX would relatively need very little work to support LTE. Go back to school cry baby...

RE: 4G crap
By sprockkets on 9/1/10, Rating: 0
RE: 4G crap
By AmbroseAthan on 9/2/2010 12:07:23 AM , Rating: 2
In 1 to 0 bars of signal of 4G in the area of NYC I live (Sprint does offer 4G in NYC, supposedly in "testing"), I get about 2.8mbps down. This is with the EVO.

That crushes my 3G speeds, 6/6 bars 3G is 1.5mbps as of 30 seconds ago.

RE: 4G crap
By TheRequiem on 9/2/2010 1:19:38 AM , Rating: 2
You Sir, are an idiot! and here's proof! AND, it's on an EVO, AND it's in Boston, which is the a new market.

RE: 4G crap
By TheRequiem on 9/2/2010 1:22:27 AM , Rating: 2
Still not convinced??

Here's more proof...

I know, the truth hurts.

RE: 4G crap
By TheRequiem on 9/2/2010 1:22:31 AM , Rating: 2
Still not convinced??

Here's more proof...

I know, the truth hurts.

RE: 4G crap
By bruce24 on 9/2/2010 10:50:17 AM , Rating: 2
I live just outside Boston, yesterday on my EVO, using the SPEEDTEST.NET app, I got download speeds between 3.6Mb/s and 7.5MB/s. For upload I got as high as 1.1Mb/s.

RE: 4G crap
By sprockkets on 9/2/2010 7:17:13 PM , Rating: 2
That still isn't 100mbps of what 4G calls for. Call me up when WiMax is 4G, not a 3.534094865470 wannabe.

But if you want to fool yourself and call 7-9mbps 4G, go ahead mr idiot.

RE: 4G crap
By Chaser on 9/2/2010 8:05:10 AM , Rating: 2
Obviously you don't own a 4G phone. Get a clue before you spout. And no, playing with your brother's phone or on one at a Sprint store doesn't count.

In downtown Jacksonville FL I get 7Mpbs. I think that might be a little faster than AT&T's 3G. And secondly regarding 3G, Sprint's national 3G coverage is far better than AT&T.

RE: 4G crap
By sprockkets on 9/2/2010 7:59:19 PM , Rating: 2
Obviously you don't own a 4G phone. Get a clue before you spout. And no, playing with your brother's phone or on one at a Sprint store doesn't count.

Obviously you can't comprehend that 4G isn't available in the ENTIRE state of FL, save for one city.

"I mean, if you wanna break down someone's door, why don't you start with AT&T, for God sakes? They make your amazing phone unusable as a phone!" -- Jon Stewart on Apple and the iPhone
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