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WSJ report cites sources close to agency saying holes in interception are filled by data grabs at a lower level

According to a report by The Wall Street Journal, sources close to the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) warn about a potential "blind spot" in their phone record (aka "telephony metadata") scheme that allows them to track the call records and locations of Americans on a daily basis.

I. T-Mobile and Verizon Wireless Make Spying on Americans Trickier...

The source states that T-Mobile's foreign ownership (T-Mobile is owned primarily by Germany's Deutsche Telekom AG (ETR:DTE)) and Verizon Wireless's foreign co-ownership (UK-based Vodafone Group Plc. (LON:VOD) has a 45 percent stake in Verizon Wireless) made seizing phone records under the Oct. 2001 USA PATRIOT (Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism) Act slightly harder.  

Both companies reportedly at times refused to participate in the program, although U.S. Verizon Wireless parent company Verizon Communications Inc. (VZ) did turn in information on its land lines, which it solely serves.  And reportedly the U.S. government did not challenge theirt waivering cooperation.

Obama spying
Foreign co-owned carriers have reportedly been less than enthusiastic about Bush and Obama administration spying. [Image Source: AP]

But don't worry -- says the source -- Verizon Wireless and T-Mobile customers are still able to be monitored anyways.  Most of that traffic on Verizon or T-Mobile is at some point routed through connections owned by solely-U.S.-owned telecoms like AT&T, Inc. (T) or Sprint Nextel Corp. (S).  Thanks to this wonderful routing, the source assures, approximately 99 percent of phone traffic in the U.S. is monitored by the NSA.

II. ...But When There's a Will, Big Brother Has a Way 

A pending acquisition of Sprint might seemingly shift that balance if Japan's Softbank Corp. (TYO:9984) wins in its bid for most of the U.S. carrier.  But it will likely have little effect.

T-Mobile or smaller U.S. carriers often fill in holes in their coverage by allowing customers to roam onto solely-U.S. owned networks like AT&T.  This is one spot where the NSA can intercept the phone data.

And ultimately the NSA can always monitor at an even lower level, if necessary -- the high speed telecommunications backbone that underlies both landlines and wireless networks.  And that infrastructure is solely owned by U.S. firms -- AT&T and Verizon Business Network Services Inc. (a subsidiary of Verizon Communications).  Thus regardless of who owns the cellular carriers, the NSA can (and in many cases reportedly already does) seize communications at the lowest level, eliminating pesky civil liberties complaints by foreign nations.

fiber optics
Communications can be seized at the U.S.-owned backbone that underlies wireless networks.
[Image Source: AP]

In a letter to Rep. Edward Markey (D., Mass.) Verizon Wireless admits [PDF] it did turn over records some of the time.  It says it responded to 260,000 customer data requests in 2011 (although it did not say how many customers were involved per request).  Of those half of the orders were without warrant (due proccess) while approximately half were via a court order or warrant.

According to sources, U.S. officials recognized the foreign leadership of T-Mobile and Verizon Wireless might lead them to buck the data gathering if they pushed the issue too hard.  So the feds kept their requests relatively small, knowing they could seize the information they missed further down the pipe.

Recent surveys showed approximately half of Americans are comfortable with the goverment tracking their locations (phone records).

Sources: WSJ, Verizon Wireless [PDF]



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1% on VPN?
By techxx on 6/14/2013 4:15:29 PM , Rating: 2
1% on VPN?




RE: 1% on VPN?
By xti on 6/14/2013 4:25:42 PM , Rating: 3
that 1% is missing out on my special ingredient for a good casserole.


RE: 1% on VPN?
By Motoman on 6/14/2013 4:55:15 PM , Rating: 3
Knock it off with the Cream of Sum Yung Gai already. Too much umami.


RE: 1% on VPN?
By xti on 6/14/2013 11:00:44 PM , Rating: 2
Umami love my eggroll and dumplings.


RE: 1% on VPN?
By Cypherdude1 on 6/16/13, Rating: 0
RE: 1% on VPN?
By Cheesew1z69 on 6/16/2013 5:37:28 PM , Rating: 2
While I applaud this petition, I seriously doubt this is going to have any impact on pardoning him.


RE: 1% on VPN?
By Reclaimer77 on 6/16/2013 6:02:03 PM , Rating: 2
Now that he's apparently selling us out to China? Nah, fat chance of that.

I think Snowden had good intentions maybe, but the way he's gone about this whole thing is an illustration on how NOT to be a whistleblower.

I don't know if he wanted to be a martyr or if he's really just that stupid. Either way, I don't see a happy ending to this little fairytale.

Don't get me wrong, glad he got the word out. But he could have done the same thing by bringing this up with a US Representative or a Congressional hearing, upholding his oath. At least then, there would be a chance of him having a future.


RE: 1% on VPN?
By Oceanryder on 6/17/2013 1:16:37 PM , Rating: 2
I'd like to think Snowden had good intentions (albeit from his own perspective), but his actions: from fleeing the country to now supposedly bartering with the Chinese Government, point more so to a traitor.


RE: 1% on VPN?
By Cheesew1z69 on 6/17/2013 1:17:45 PM , Rating: 2
And why he would never be pardoned...


RE: 1% on VPN?
By tamalero on 6/18/2013 11:59:13 AM , Rating: 2
When the news reports that the US is going after him (including arrests.. hitmen or even drones).. no surprise he decided to go for the best for his safety.


RE: 1% on VPN?
By BRB29 on 6/17/2013 8:27:11 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
While I applaud this petition, I seriously doubt this is going to have any impact on pardoning him.

because it never happened before right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardon...


RE: 1% on VPN?
By theapparition on 6/17/2013 10:03:40 AM , Rating: 1
I guarantee 99%+ on that list had political ties to the outgoing president.

Snowden doesn't have that. It won't happen.


RE: 1% on VPN?
By BRB29 on 6/17/2013 10:30:05 AM , Rating: 2
Vietnam draft dodgers – Ford offered conditional amnesty to over 50,000 draft dodgers.

Vietnam draft dodgers – Unconditional amnesty issued in the form of a pardon by Jimmy Carter

First-time offenders convicted of crimes under the Narcotics Control Act of 1956 – pardoned all, in effect overturning much of the law passed by Congress. Pardoned by Kennedy

George Burdick – a New York newspaper editor, who had refused to testify in federal court regarding the sources used in his article concerning the collection of customs duties. He pled the 5th amendment; President Wilson then granted him a full pardon for all of his federal offenses, which he refused. He continued to plead the 5th, at which he was sentenced by a federal judge for contempt. It was then that the Supreme Court reinforced the necessity of accepting a pardon to be valid; the federal judge had imprisoned Burdick on the grounds that he was claiming falsely his need for protection against self-incrimination. Pardoned by Woodrow Wilson

Frederick Krafft – convicted for alleged violation of the Espionage Act. Only person convicted under this law to receive a full executive pardon by Woodrow Wilson

Even Harry Truman saved the guy that tried to assassinate him
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Collazo

Your 99%+ is looking pretty lame.


RE: 1% on VPN?
By Cheesew1z69 on 6/17/2013 7:56:49 AM , Rating: 3
The fact that anyone voted this up is pathetic... horribly pathetic and sad..


RE: 1% on VPN?
By xti on 6/28/2013 8:54:24 AM , Rating: 2
can you please stop stalking me? your man crush on me is creepy.


RE: 1% on VPN?
By Jeffk464 on 6/15/2013 11:46:23 AM , Rating: 2
FYI there is a newer skype type program called viber. Its based out of Cyprus and might not be hacked by the FED's, who knows?


RE: 1% on VPN?
By BRB29 on 6/15/13, Rating: 0
RE: 1% on VPN?
By Cheesew1z69 on 6/15/2013 4:58:10 PM , Rating: 2
Normal people, unlike you, when they says the feds, they mean the FBI. Again, showing your complete ignorance.


RE: 1% on VPN?
By BRB29 on 6/17/2013 8:22:42 AM , Rating: 1
What is your definition of normal? uneducated?

If you're going to accuse someone of anything, at least be accurate on who you're talking about. But why does that even matter, the people here can't even differentiate who they are blaming. No wonder why you're always losing in life and blaming the government in general lol. If you hate the government so much then do something about it or vacate yourself somewhere else.


RE: 1% on VPN?
By Cheesew1z69 on 6/17/2013 11:27:43 AM , Rating: 2
Troll, done feeding you. You contribute nothing to these conversations. You are a know-it-all loser who argues even when pointed out to be wrong. You call people liars and uneducated when you have nothing to counter with.

It's pretty obvious to anyone at this point you are just trolling. Go get a job and a life would you.


RE: 1% on VPN?
By JPForums on 6/18/2013 8:29:44 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
What is your definition of normal? uneducated?

Nah, the use of "Feds" to cover any generic federal entity (though mostly used for those with policing authority) was made popular by Hollywood. Which federal entity they are referring to in any given situation is to be inferred by the context of the situation. Makes it much less work to get things right when you can just refer to all of them at once and let the target audience figure out which one is applicable (if they care). Like it or hate it, they set the trends in the U.S.


RE: 1% on VPN?
By foolsgambit11 on 6/17/2013 1:29:40 AM , Rating: 2
the fed is the Federal Reserve. The feds (with the 's') is more generic, although it's probably most frequently used to refer to agencies that have policing power, like the FBI/DEA/ATF/Homeland Security/whatever.


RE: 1% on VPN?
By SlyNine on 6/29/2013 12:48:06 AM , Rating: 2
First off, given the context it's pretty obvious what "feds" he's talking about. Feds being short for federal authority. The fed, as you are implying, is a completely different thing.

Second off, get a life.


RE: 1% on VPN?
By cditty on 6/15/2013 10:03:14 PM , Rating: 2
Viber has been out a very long time.


RE: 1% on VPN?
By T2k on 6/18/2013 3:15:37 PM , Rating: 2
You mean the same Viber that's being distributed for free, offering free calls, developed by company that has no revenue, makes no money, relies on private investors and owned by a former Israeli agent, working out of Cyprus, the go-to meeting place of all Middle Eastern intelligence services and agents?
Sure, I'm sure it's clean, of course...


RE: 1% on VPN?
By In2Boost on 6/16/2013 12:48:52 PM , Rating: 2
1% in high-level government positions, perhaps?
Perhaps the same 1% who won't be using Obamacare?


By TheEinstein on 6/14/2013 7:16:03 PM , Rating: 5
Will you all be scared then finally?




By Stuka on 6/14/2013 8:39:29 PM , Rating: 1
The parties need to be renamed. They bleed across each other on every topic except select "social" issues. Politically, they are carbon copies anymore.

Democratic Party = Marxist Party
Republican Party = Jesus Party

Futurama nailed it years ago when Nixon's head ended up getting elected 'cos the choices were the clones, Jack Johnson and John Jackson.


By espaghetti on 6/15/2013 7:31:34 AM , Rating: 2
The leaders of the "establishment republicans" are constantly giving up on second amendment, illegal immigration, programs that take away your privacy, covering up horrible events that get Americans killed over seas, then I only see one party.

You call it what you want but it needs to go.


By tamalero on 6/16/2013 9:19:56 PM , Rating: 2
and putting restrictions on minorities and women rights.


By Jeffk464 on 6/15/2013 11:32:29 AM , Rating: 5
You missed the point, both parties are heavily influenced/controlled by corporations. This is the main reason its hard to tell them apart.


By Belard on 6/19/2013 12:57:30 PM , Rating: 2
And what major corporations are you thinking is controlling the Dems?


By ironargonaut on 6/18/2013 2:23:57 PM , Rating: 2
The arguement that both parties are the same is simply a justification for ones lazyness/lack of responsibility. If it is claimed that both parties "are carbon copies", then it does not matter whom you voted for, thereby relieving you of any personal responsibility for voting for whatever official is in office screwing up. If you didn't vote then you are once again relieved of responsibility because of course it wouldn't have made a difference if both are "carbon copies" whom you had voted for. And, now you don't have to actually follow what is happening or become informed and lord forbid, actually take a side.
Basically, your arguement is a copout.


By vol7ron on 6/15/2013 12:24:10 PM , Rating: 3
I'm not Republican and I don't believe a tech site is the best forum for a political debate, but I also don't think it should condone ignorance, so I think it's funny how you talk about fear when your first choice of President is currently in the limelight for ~7 significant scandals, 3 of which are so major that the news doesn't even know what to concentrate on - they keep bouncing back and forth. You shouldn't be so party-line that you ignore the person that is representing your beliefs - just like I wouldn't want Clinton talking about strong moral fiber and family values.

As a current Libertarian, which is not set in stone and could change in the future, I think it's your duty to consider why Liberals are so liberal and Conservatives, so conservative. There are smart people in both parties and both have justifiable points of view. Don't be so quick to act/judge; believe what you believe, but don't stop questioning (yourself or others) to find what's right, instead of blindly imposing your beliefs on others - it's a duty we should all accept.

The following doesn't belong here, but I found it humorous, so maybe TheEinstein will also get a laugh out of it:
http://www.gregraven.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/04...


By retrospooty on 6/17/2013 8:08:09 AM , Rating: 2
Well said ... +1


By TheEinstein on 6/18/2013 4:20:31 PM , Rating: 2
Great cartoon


By TheEinstein on 6/18/2013 4:18:53 PM , Rating: 1
It is time to make people think, to keep this on the horizon of the public FOREVER!

Here is how we ALL become a weapon against warrantless wiretaps.

Rename your wireless routers and other wifi devices. Name them as NSA spy devices.

My cell phone is now NSA Wireless Intercept 19nd when repaired my Verizon Jetpack will become NSA CREDIT CARD WATCH 37.

If we all change our routers, jetpacks, mifi cards, cell phones and such we create a viral campaign that will shake the NSA




By TheEinstein on 6/19/2013 11:39:47 PM , Rating: 2
Someone downrated this? wtf NSA go away!


Another Neo-con-Nazi Article
By Belard on 6/19/2013 1:16:55 PM , Rating: 1
Jason Mick, seriously - if you neo-cons were soooooo concerned about the NSA spying on Americans, why didn't you complain about this back when this was made part of the Patriot Act?

And yes, liberals did complain about it, but FOXnFriends Viewers are "merica first! Protect us from them terror folks!" - because morons like George W Bush cannot pronounce the word "Terrorist" or "Terrorism", Watch videos of Bush when he talks about the subject. The idiot always sounds like... an idiot.

PRISM and all these programs were in operation LONG before Obama. And the GOP is faking SHOCK about what is going on when they have access to this information. None of this WAS that much of a secret.

But you continue to post photos of Obama over things that are not true. Yes, he is the president; And yes- as he has stated, these programs SHOULD be more open and scaled back. And Yes, he has never addressed this before. But then again, with YOU neo-cons, it doesn't matter. If he had tried reducing the programs, YOU guys would scream about our weakened defenses! it doesn't matter what he does, you'll piss in your panties in anger.

Look at the posts on this site about the F22 fighter and the Space Shuttle Program. Or on those on Yahoo, etc. What do you see?

Posts from complete retards "Obama is killing F22/Shuttle! Costing us Jobs / military power / Space abilities / etc" When its is 100% fact that both of these were scheduled to end BEFORE the 2008 election! Obama extended the Shuttle program for a few more missions, that was it... its 1975 technology.

We have a pentagon which says "We don't need anymore Abrams tanks, we have new ones collecting dust" - but the GOP keeps ordering new ones. 1, we need more tanks and 2- it creates jobs (Hey, I thought the Govt. doesn't make jobs?) Hey, rather than spending money on making tanks that are NOT needed, how about spending OUR money on ROADS that we need to drive to work on or bridges updated / replaced / repaired so we don't have failures? Things WE really need.

Jason Mick... or are you simply looking to get a job at Fox News? Which is *NOT* Fair and balance, not American owned and has the dumbest "news" people on the air with an even dumber audience.




By superstition on 6/20/2013 11:02:22 PM , Rating: 2
It is possible that JM wasn't aggressive enough during the Bush era, but this is 2013 and wrong is still wrong.

For every political opportunist who is trying to bash Obama and the Dems for things they would or did support when done by Repubs, there are Dems who do the same thing. Now that Obama is in the White House, they have no problem with stuff they fussed about dramatically before.

The partisanship smokescreen is very effective. Divide and conquer.


Persona Non Grata
By Zingam on 6/19/2013 9:24:16 AM , Rating: 2
When would foreign companies declaired as a threat to national security and expelled?




Only needed to read the headline...
By Spookster on 6/14/13, Rating: -1
RE: Only needed to read the headline...
By johnny4422 on 6/14/2013 4:49:51 PM , Rating: 3
So conspiracy nut jobs read Wall Street Journal these days?


By half_duplex on 6/14/2013 9:40:15 PM , Rating: 2
The ignorance of historical events that allow such a viewpoint to exist is appalling.


RE: Only needed to read the headline...
By tigz1218 on 6/14/2013 4:52:55 PM , Rating: 5
Jason brings to light many newsworthy stories that get brushed under the rug by the media and I applaud him for that.

Your ignorance, that these "conspiracy theorists", is the exact type of attitude that has been responsible for history constantly repeating itself and allowing governments to grow to the point where they commit the most horrifying crimes against humanity imaginable. They make the sandy hook massacre look like a misdemeanor.

We are past the point of conspiracy. It is a FACT that the government is collect every single one of ours information. So you have nothing to hide you say? There are thousands upon thousands of pages of federal laws, many of which ou are probably unaware of. Or what happens if they nitpick the data they use and make it seem like you are doing something wrong, like releasing text messages you sent out and omitting key words from the sentence to make you like a terrible person. This is very possible, especially, god forbid, you ran for office and had a different viewpoint than the establishment.

Your attitude is exactly what they want. Never question authority and label those who does as crazies.

Thank you for the article Jason. Here is something else you may find interesting to write about:
http://m.cbsnews.com/fullstory.rbml?catid=57440895...


RE: Only needed to read the headline...
By Jeffk464 on 6/15/2013 11:40:12 AM , Rating: 2
Absolutely

Its pretty obvious that the framers of the constitution had zero faith in people in power. Basically this distrust of political figures is the primary theme of the constitution.


By Jeffk464 on 6/15/2013 11:49:13 AM , Rating: 2
By the way Congress has about a 10% approval rating. That means 90% of the population doesn't seem to have much faith in our government.


RE: Only needed to read the headline...
By Spookster on 6/15/13, Rating: -1
RE: Only needed to read the headline...
By FaaR on 6/15/2013 12:41:34 PM , Rating: 3
You're a terrible excuse of an inhuman being.


RE: Only needed to read the headline...
By ritualm on 6/14/2013 5:21:24 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
something about Jason Mick not being a journalist

Jason Mick never claimed he's one of them. He's a blogger, a pundit if you care.
quote:
pro-government BS

We are at --- or perilously close to --- the tipping point where the evil we don't know is more trustworthy than the devil we do know.

You read like you don't care if every member of your entire family gets wiretapped up their rectums. You also read like you don't care if the cops kill your grandparents on a drive-by, then show up at your house for dinner tomorrow as if nothing happened.

When we have to rely on people with questionable motives e.g. Snowden to get dirt on our government's wrongdoings, there is a huge problem. Think the spying furor's bad? No, son, it's only going to get much worse than this.


By Spookster on 6/15/2013 12:00:42 PM , Rating: 2
Yes he has.

quote:
I hope my commentary is not misconstrued as hating on Anonymous unilaterally. Rather, I appreciate some of what Anonymous has done, but unlike most who either blanketly support or oppose the movement, I see the gray ( it's my job as a journalist ).


RE: Only needed to read the headline...
By Dorkyman on 6/14/2013 5:57:41 PM , Rating: 2
Spook, I detect a whiff of jealousy. Jason gets read by many and you don't. Bummer.


RE: Only needed to read the headline...
By Spookster on 6/15/13, Rating: -1
By BRB29 on 6/15/2013 11:30:57 PM , Rating: 2
he does get a lot of hits from these conspiracy hacks. That's probably the only reason why he's still here.


RE: Only needed to read the headline...
By Cerin218 on 6/14/2013 6:33:22 PM , Rating: 1
In political jargon, useful idiot is a pejorative term for people perceived as propagandists for a cause whose goals they do not understand, and who are used cynically by the leaders of the cause.

The term has been used to refer to Soviet sympathizers in Western countries. The implication was that, although the people in question naïvely thought of themselves as an ally of the Soviet Union, they were actually held in contempt and were being cynically used. The use of the term in political discourse has since been extended to other propagandists, especially those who are seen to unwittingly support a malignant cause which they naïvely believe to be a force for good.

Spookster = Useful Idiot.

Microsoft has been working with the government to exploit security holes in their operating systems for spying. Coincidentally the new XBox One has to ALWAYS be connected to the internet and has a camera that can see in the dark and microphone that MUST be on at all times.

But apparently according to SOME gullible sheeple the government is benevolent and good and would NEVER treat it's citizens bad or experiment on them or anything. You are an oppressive tyrannical regimes dream citizen. You probably scoffed at McCarthy saying there were Communists in Hollywood and the government. Stupid declassified files that proved him right.


RE: Only needed to read the headline...
By mrbios on 6/15/2013 6:32:39 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Coincidentally the new XBox One has to ALWAYS be connected to the internet and has a camera that can see in the dark and microphone that MUST be on at all times.


Wrong. The camera and internet only have to be connected when you're not using it if you choose to. If you're truly worried about the privacy implications, you can do, what I like to call, "don't be lazy". Unplug the camera when your Xbox is not in use. Since you need to go up to your Xbox to reconnect the camera the next time you want to use it, you can unplug it's network cable as well, if you're using a wired connection.

I know we all like to bitch and complain that there's nothing we can do to stop this, when the reality is, we're all just too lazy.

Maybe you're too young to remember, but once upon a time, we actually had to walk up to our consoles to turn them on and off. If we really care about privacy, then removing the instant gratification of being able to remotely turn on the console, and needing to walk up to the console when you're finished using it, shouldn't be considered blasphemous.


RE: Only needed to read the headline...
By derricker on 6/15/2013 9:04:58 AM , Rating: 2
Wrong again, the thing demands a check in every 24 hours, ergo, it needs to be connected at least 24 hours, the rest of the time, it will not work without kinect.

Amazing how people ignore the involvements microsoft has had with PRISM and Domain Awareness System.

If you really care about what little privacy you have left, you will not allow such in your home.


RE: Only needed to read the headline...
By BRB29 on 6/15/2013 4:16:54 PM , Rating: 2
derricker = delusional.
You're right, derricker. There's a task force of 200 NSA agents doing nothing but watching people from their xbox one.

If that even makes sense in anyone's head.


RE: Only needed to read the headline...
By derricker on 6/15/2013 8:20:44 PM , Rating: 2
ohhhh, a geeky reply and all, I thought geeks where smarter than this anyway, seems you lack reading skillz, are you out of elementary yet??
try harder next bum, and get out of your parents basement and meet real people.


By Cheesew1z69 on 6/16/2013 7:35:36 AM , Rating: 2
I highly doubt he is a "geek" of any sort


By althaz on 6/16/2013 8:10:51 PM , Rating: 2
Actually derricker, you are incorrect (you seem like the kinda guy that should be used to it by now), the XBox One needs to have checked in within the last 24 hours for you to play a game (that means you can connect it only when you wish to play) and needs to be connected to install a game, that's it as far as the internet requirement goes.

From your comment you seem to have been expecting the console to spontaneously combust if you are not connected to the internet for 24 hours and one minute.

Likewise, there's no way that Mirosoft will spy on you with Kinect (any more than they already do), although of course, like with anything, there's always the possibility of hackers (either government or, more likely, not) doing so. But seeing as nobody managed to do it with Kinect version 1 (it was and may still be AFAIK the fastest selling technology product ever btw, lots of people have one), I wouldn't worry too much (hell I'd be more worried about people spying on your with the digital video and audio recorder in every person's pocket).


By Jeffk464 on 6/15/2013 11:43:57 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Microsoft has been working with the government to exploit security holes in their operating systems for spying.


There was a recent news story that China was planning on switching to a home grown version of ubuntu, coincidence?


By Spookster on 6/15/2013 2:55:16 PM , Rating: 2
In real world jargon, conspiracy nutjob is a pejorative term for people perceived as idiots who have lost touch with reality who live in their parents basement because they are afraid the aliens or the government are coming to get them.

The term has been used to refer to Jasom Micks fanboys at Daily Tech. The implication was that, although the people in question natïvely thought of themselves as normal, they were actually insecure little freaks who love blowing Jason any chance they get. The use of the term has since been extended to other non-fanboys, especially those who are seen to unwittingly support these conspiracy theories which in their delusional minds they naïvely believe are true.

Cerin218 = Conspiracy Nutjob.


RE: Only needed to read the headline...
By Reclaimer77 on 6/15/2013 1:40:09 PM , Rating: 2
Umm you know it's not a conspiracy theory if it's proven true right?

The Government IS spying on us. They aren't even denying it, rather they've confirmed it.

Maybe you should look up the definition of "conspiracy theory".


RE: Only needed to read the headline...
By BRB29 on 6/15/2013 4:20:07 PM , Rating: 2
They did not deny it. They confirmed it decades ago.


By Cheesew1z69 on 6/15/2013 5:01:06 PM , Rating: 2
Wow, it's confirmed, you are as stupid as you seem. He SAID they confirmed it.

quote:
The Government IS spying on us. They aren't even denying it, rather they've confirmed it.


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