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Wedbush Morgan Securities believes that Blu-ray on the PS3 is more important than gaming

Wedbush Morgan Securities (WMS) is adding some fuel to the fire when it comes to the next-generation console battle. According to WMS, the battle at the top for supremacy between the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 won't be a matter of who has the best games, but rather who will be the winner in the next-generation DVD format wars.

Just as the PlayStation 2 served as a competent DVD player during the rise of that format for movies, WMS sees Blu-ray as being a pivotal lynch pin for Sony -- much more so than the games that the PS3 will play. WMS predicts that though 2007, the Xbox 360 will hold 42% marketshare in the next generation console race in the United States and Europe. Sony's PS3 and Nintendo's Wii are expected to garner 39% and 19% respectively. Things swing much more favorably for Sony and Nintendo in Japan where WMS expects for the two Japanese giants to capture 65% and 25% respectively through 2010.

In the end, WMS feels that the PS3's native support for Blu-ray (Microsoft plans to introduce an HD-DVD add-on for the Xbox 360 in the future), its dominance in Japan and its overall strength worldwide will make the Blu-ray format the big winner in the next generation HD format wars. Sony's push for the PS3 doesn't come from the viewpoint of it being a great console; it mainly serves to get Sony's foot in the door in the minds of consumers for Blu-ray content. From Next Generation:

Of course, the PS3 will be the only console capable of playing high-definition movies (Blu-ray) out of the box, although Microsoft is expecting to release an HD DVD add-on for the Xbox 360 later this year. Nintendo chose to forgo high-definition capabilities for its Wii altogether. Clearly, if high-definition video playback is the key to the console war, Sony has a definite advantage.

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what format war?
By cubby1223 on 5/2/2006 1:52:23 PM , Rating: 2
Mentions the PS2 had something to do with a format war for movies. What format war? Don't tell me laserdisc or vhs is the war they're talking about.

Besides, the PS2 was a terrible dvd player. It could not read the second layer of many dvds. Many times would not play subtitles correctly. And some movies the quality of the output was terrible and very grainy.

The nex-gen console "war" will be won by whoever has the better games, not who supports what format. This article is just some person's opinion and that's all.




RE: what format war?
By some1whoknows on 5/2/2006 2:10:19 PM , Rating: 2
Indeed, one person (or companies) opinion, who is WMS anyway? I've never heard of them.

I think Sony having a player for HD out of the box is a good thing though. Plus it will support 1080p whereas I bet the HD-DVD add-on drive for the 360 will not.

Also having an add-on drive for a console is such a bad idea, surely the only reason for a console to support something like that is convinience. If you need another box people will be beter off buying a stand-alone player that's actually made by a company you can trust. Unless it's really, really cheap of course.

I see your point about the format war on PS2 DVD aswell. It was not a format war as such but it did help the DVD become more popular. There was a recordable DVD format war (with +/-/RAM) but that's got little to do with the PS2.


RE: what format war?
By jkresh on 5/2/2006 3:06:56 PM , Rating: 2
While pricing has not yet been released I would expect the hd-dvd drive for 360 to be significantly cheaper then a seperate player as all the processing power needed in a seperate player (p4m in the early toshibas) can be handled by the 360. I would not be surprised if a 360 + hd-dvd is among the least expensive hd-dvd players available when it comes out.


RE: what format war?
By NullSubroutine on 5/2/2006 2:10:35 PM , Rating: 2
i got a ps2 from opening launch, never had any dvd problems what so ever.


RE: what format war?
By Quantum Mechanic on 5/2/2006 3:22:36 PM , Rating: 2
You obviously forgot about Divic movies. It was an idea so bad it almost caused Circut City to go out of business. You bought a movie for $5 but if you ever wanted to watch it beyond the first 48 hours you had to connect your player to a phone line and pay additional charges. Dvds destroyed this market plan.

Plus dvds had to overcome the stigma that other 'fancy' technologies had run into like laser disc.

It may not have been a war but for the PS2 was pivitol in speeding the adoption of the technolgy. I bought the PS2 for $50 less than any similar dvd player and it works faithfully to this day. Yes they have issues playing some discs but what first-generation dvd players can say they didn't?


RE: What the heck is "Divic"?
By miahallen on 5/2/2006 10:12:08 PM , Rating: 2
The term you are searching for is "Divx"....and although the name is the same, the current Divx codec is totally different...the fact they have the same name is just coincidence.

The new movie download services remind me of Circuit City's Divx busness model, and I don't see them working to well either. (There are exception's to this, but they are overpriced)


RE: what format war?
By danielc56 on 5/2/2006 3:38:17 PM , Rating: 2
Regarding format war & dvd quality: I remember reading (Gamespot?) during the Japanese PS2 launch, there wasn't a large uptake in games. One theory was many Japanease buyers were buying it strictly as a cheap DVD player; dedicated dvd players being much more expensive compared to US equivalents at the time (early 2000).

danielc56


By hstewarth on 5/2/2006 2:49:42 PM , Rating: 1
I think Sony is desiring the PS/3 to be more than a game console - but instead a Home Entertainment system.

This means Hi-Def movies, Internet browsing, Hi-Def games, music server, picture server and more.

There is also rumors of PVR ability and Linux support for webserver.

Why just limited the market to games, when it sounds from specifications can handle much much more.




By Trisped on 5/2/2006 3:19:12 PM , Rating: 2
Blue-Ray is owned, lock stock and barriel, buy Sony.
It is another Sony sony format, just like memorry sticks and that movie format that works on the PSP.


By NullSubroutine on 5/2/2006 4:22:39 PM , Rating: 2
actually it was developed by several joint companies, just like hd-dvd. i cant remember who, and it is true they arent as big as players as sony.


By bighairycamel on 5/3/2006 7:18:55 AM , Rating: 2
animedude is right. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray

People moan and groan that this is another proprietary format, but realistically it was always supposed to be the next-gen format. I remember reading about BDROM looooooong before HD-DVD, and my guess is HD-DVD was developed just to try and one-up Sony. In fact, originally M$ had announced that there would be support for an add-on BluRay player which they later reneged for obvious reasons.

Either way, BDROM is the superior format. Since when is higher read/write speads and larger capacities a bad thing? Sure price is up NOW, but for anyone old enough to remember $5 apeice DVDs, this is normal.

BTW, before I am labeled a fanboy, I am only supporting BDROM, not Sony, so get off your high horse.


By hstewarth on 5/3/2006 10:23:35 AM , Rating: 1
It is common misconception that Blu-Ray is sony's own format - which is not true because its actually create by collection of companies which just happens that Sony is one them.

Yes the PS/3 will no doubt be a major boost to Blu-Ray's market - but its doesn't mean that it is Sony only.

Blu-Ray is not like PSP's UMD or MemorySticks.


By Lakku on 5/3/2006 1:15:20 PM , Rating: 2
I seem to remember you, hstewarth, spouting this off in another Sony related post. How are you guessing all of this? It may, or may not, have all of this capability, and even if it does, what average home user cares, knows, or would ever want to use Linux? It's just more things for them to have to learn how to do, and I am sure most of them have Windows XP as their computer OS. Sorry to say, but a 60GB HD isn't going to allow you much play to do all of these things you are predicting. And it may not play nice with their Windowx XP computer, so why would they bother? The 360 did it the smart way by just being an extender, allowing your home PC to do all the storage and streaming. Most people have PC's, so why try to give them another one in the living room that isn't related to their current PC? Lastly, Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are both useless, there are no hi-def movies and very few TRUE high-def shows outside of sports and PBS/Discovery types, and hi-def games?, not from the gameplay shots I have seen. No one wants all that crap in their living room, they want a GAME machine. Why add all that cost when few will use it? Hence, why MS did it correctly, for once, when they allowed you to have a lot of those features if you so chose, through software and your home PC.


O rly?
By Griswold on 5/2/2006 2:49:58 PM , Rating: 2
If blu-ray is really the main selling point for that thing, they already lost. I mean, I wouldnt even buy a console for games sake but for playing back another sony format? No thanks.

Then again, this is just analyst opinion.




RE: O rly?
By Orpheus333 on 5/2/2006 3:00:41 PM , Rating: 2
even though im just a simple pawn consumer, I would much rather HDDVD over bluray. Isn't it supposed to be $$$ cheaper?


RE: O rly?
By Trisped on 5/2/2006 3:23:12 PM , Rating: 1
Yes, it seems to be half the cost for the players and $10-20 for the movies. But HD-DVD does not support 1080p, has smaller disks, and a bunch of other draw backs. If they come out with HD-DVD2 which addresses these consernces in a year or 2 while still allowing complete forward and backward compatability between HD-DVD and HD-DVD2 they would be perfect. Don't think that will happen though.


RE: O rly?
By probedb on 5/2/2006 5:13:43 PM , Rating: 2
HD-DVD does support 1080p. In fact go look at the packaging of current movies, they're all 1080p.

it's just that Toshiba decided not to add the capability to their first gen players. Just like it can't output Dolby True HD in 5.1 and down converts to 2 channel only, and Dolby Digital Plus becomes DTS.


RE: O rly?
By Visual on 5/3/2006 7:31:48 AM , Rating: 2
Trisped, thats complete BS, and you deserve to be shot for spreading rumors.
well no, im just overreacting... its just that i'm sick of seeing the same thing over and over. do some research before you go expert mode on something.
half the cost for players? currently anounced prices are $500 and $800 from toshiba for HDDVD, and $800-$1000 for the bluray camp. you said it yourself that the "cheap" player from toshiba is purpously crapped up to get the low price, without the highest resolutions, audio outputs and with other drawbacks. but since it's already shipping and reviews are starting to crop up for it, i recommend you just look up what a disappointment it turns out to be for yourself.
even the pioneer elite BD player that was announced at $1800 (and that was the main reason people started the "BD is expencive" fud) can already be preordered for $1500, and keep in mind thats the top of the line - even their standard dvd elite players have similarly high prices.

there is nothing more expencive in a bd player than a hddvd player - neither technologically, nor in licenses or other fees. one cheap (and crappy) hddvd player by toshiba hardly means the format as a whole will be cheaper for consumers. on the contrary - by the end of the year we'll have the ps3 as one of the cheapest nextgen players on the bd side, plus plenty of released standalone players which means competition and falling prices, while on the hddvd side "competition" would hardly be a proper word for toshiba vs sanyo.

now about the movies themselves - have you checked any actual prices? cos everywhere i've checked, hddvd and bd releases will cost the same. $10-20 difference is just nonsense.
technologically bd might be indeed more expencive to produce. but thats a couple cents difference per disc at the most, and media production costs are insignificant part of the retail price of the movies. if you're a consumer you shouldn't worry wether it'd cost 0.2 cents/disc for a studio to print a movie or the wooping expencive whole 2 cents/disc. and if you hear a studio complain that those 2 cents are too expencive for them, just remind them they're selling it for 20 dollars or more after all.


WiFi?
By Xavian on 5/2/2006 12:57:08 PM , Rating: 1
I believe its called Wii, not nintendo WiFi :)

besides it seems to be more groaning analysts talking about statistics. Analyzing the future in any way shape or form, then making a prediction on that analysis is unreliable at best. I'd rather take such 'news' with a grain of salt nowadays.




RE: WiFi?
By Xavian on 5/2/2006 1:13:44 PM , Rating: 3
i would also like to add that, i believe a lot of analysts were predicting that the PSP would dominate the nintendo DS in the mobile gaming segment. We obviously see a great example of unpredictibility in that and why analysts shouldn't be taken for truth.


RE: WiFi?
By Trisped on 5/2/2006 2:39:01 PM , Rating: 2
The analysts to which you refer for the DS/PSP war were stupid. Anyone who new the tech being put into the two system could have told you DS would hold its own. What could not be told (although many guessed at) was the fact that Sony was not going to supply enough media content (movies and such) for the PSP to hold its part of the market. Personaly I thought it would be a battle, that DS would have PDA software availble, and PSP would be able to emulate a cell phone before the systems were over a year old. What happened seems to be more of a close out. Everyone hyped PSP, but used DS.


RE: WiFi?
By tappertrainman on 5/2/2006 3:02:41 PM , Rating: 2
I wonder now if Nintendo wanted to call it the "WiFi" but couldn't because of licensing or other issues? Drop the "f" and you have a new word that no one has used yet, although for good reason...


Sony is smarter than you
By XtremeM3 on 5/3/2006 1:52:34 AM , Rating: 2
I believe this is a great move by Sony in including the Blue-Ray player; infact I strongly believe that is why there is a delay in releasing the PS3. The importance of adding a Blue-Ray player goes beyond even allowing Blue-Ray movies. Imagine the game contect that could fit on a Blue-Ray Disc vs. a traditional DVD (i have yet to even see this arguement come up). Even with the time loss with XBox360(of which i must admit i might be considered a "fanboy" of) hitting the market first and grabbing a large amount of buyers, the fact that the HD-DVD must be purchased seperately, (connected externally?) will be a drawback. Also the fact that HD-DVD players (standalone) are available for purchase right now, hurts from the next gen dvd angle. I have no doubt that Microsoft will include the HD-DVD player in an optional bundle, but this will decrease the amount of HD-DVD players in homes because EVERY PS3 owner will have a Blue-Ray player - not every XBOX360 owner will pay for the option). The dvd player included with the PS2 did wonders for adoption of DVD, regardless of being buggy. People will take buggy over nothing most of the time. The fact that you can buy a next generation game system along with a next generation DVD player in one package is quite appealing to people.

As far as HD not being in alot of homes...well I don't think that Sony is basing the release of a product based on what is in homes right now. Sony knows that within the next couple years a majority of people will have HDTV and when they need to choose a HD movie player they can say "well I already have a PS3 so I'm going to buy Blue-Ray discs."

The percentage of people with HDTV sets is increasing every year. What i find is funny is how many people THINK they are watching HDTV but really aren't. Those will probably go out and buy their Blue-Ray movies as soon as they are available :)

http://broadcastengineering.com/newsletters/dsu/20...

I think this has the makings of a VHS vs. Beta where Beta wins. Right now I think that Sony has the best angle, but I also think that every day that passes without the PS3 release hurts them a little bit.




RE: Sony is smarter than you
By Xavian on 5/3/2006 7:55:39 AM , Rating: 2
The 'More space = better games' arguement doesn't hold, simply because it will cost more to fill up that big disc with content then it will to fill it up with about a DVD sized amount of content.

For a long while the cost of development will keep the full space of Blu-ray from being used, simply because it would probably cost too much to produce enough content for the disc, unless of course you want to pay some $90 for a game to cover the extra content.

People truely over-estermate the position the PS2 had over the DVD market, by the time the PS2 came out DVD players were already selling for or below the PS2's price, the true success of the PS2 was the same reason as the PSX, the third party support for the console was staggering just like the previous PSX.

The problem is Sony and Microsoft are not heading for the home console market anymore, they are heading for the HTPC market and in the end they may find that they are catering to them rather then the gaming market that they first got into.

HD TV set penetration isn't really as fast as sony or microsoft let us believe, I dont know anyone where i live who will throw their big non-HD TV out and buy a big, very-expensive HDTV just because it looks better, im afraid HD penetration is going to be a slow process, us tech-savvy people may buy into it fast buy the average person will not. They will simply wait till their TV set breaks, then they might buy a HDTV set.

The costs are enourmous for HD right now (in the UK), you need first a HDTV (32" + anything lower and you wont notice the difference) which is approx £800 ($1500) then you need either a Blu-ray Player ($1000-1500) or a HD-DVD player ($400-800) and then if you want to view broadcasted HDTV (via Sky in the UK) you need a set-top box that costs £299 ($550) and pay some £50 per month for the whole deal ($91).

As you can see, massive costs and until the price goes down i dont see HD penetration being anything near what sony or microsoft predict. Look back on my comment in about 3-4 years and compare :P


RE: Sony is smarter than you
By hstewarth on 5/3/2006 10:30:42 AM , Rating: 2
I believe the big difference between Blu-Ray and HD-DVD boxes are that Blu-Rays are not just players - but allow recording also. When DVD recorders first came out they were about $5000.


RE: Sony is smarter than you
By Lakku on 5/3/2006 1:40:48 PM , Rating: 2
Finally, some sanity. Even though I have an 80" TV (Panasonic AE900U actually, projector, but I payed 1500 for it, new, and almost all reviews put it better then anything close to its price, only the 1080p projectors costing 4 to 5 times as much are better), I know that most people don't and that I have no savings because of it. It's the only reason I even have a 360, because a 360 or PS3 on anything less then HD is kinda pointless.


By chud67bc on 5/2/2006 6:00:41 PM , Rating: 2
If I was Microsoft, I would add a new sku for the combo XBOX360+HD-DVD package. Price this less than the PS3, and there you have it. HD Games and HD Movies in one. If you want to play XBOX360 but don't watch HD Movies then buy a standard XBOX box, but have an alternative called the HD Complete Package with the HD drive. Buyng the seperate device is slow to adpot.




By hstewarth on 5/3/2006 10:28:45 AM , Rating: 2
The only problem with this is that it would increase the Cost of XBox, which would mean either it would cost more for the customer or Microsoft must take a lost on it. My guess its will be an add on. Sony has stated that PS/3 should be around $399 and Microsoft probably would not take a lost on this - especially with Last fridays Stock crisis where Microsoft lost $3 a share - primary becuase of the losses in XBox 360 product.

If Microsoft was not as big as company as it is, with stock market crisis it had on last Friday - most companies would have likely scrap the product.


By Lakku on 5/3/2006 1:30:56 PM , Rating: 2
What stock market crisis? And what are you talking about? Do you work for Sony? He clearly states that it be the Xbox PLUS HD-DVD player. That doesn't mean it's integrated, but a Xbox premium with an HD-DVD add-on in the box. Guess what? That sells for 399, the premium sells for 299, and core for 199. They have already stated numerous times in the past they want to try and drop the price on the 360 every year, and by the time PS3 is out, I can bet money you will see the 360 for 50 to 100 dollars cheaper then it is now. Lets talk about Sony and they 600 MILLION, that's right, MILLION dollar loss last QUARTER. That amounts to over 2 BILLION a year. MS MADE 2.9 billion last year. Whose making money and who isn't? If they did lose price on the stock, there is no way it was because of the 360. You don't think Sony is going to lose a LOT of money per PS3? I can bet they lose more per PS3 then MS does per 360, and ultimately, the only saving grace for the PS3 is it's Blu-Ray. Even then, who owns an actual 1080p TV that can truly play that format and not cut it down? Very, VERY few people. So, yeah, the PS3 can be 399 all it wants, but that will cause Sony to lose more then it wants, and I am sure they would want to release it for a heftier price, just like everything else Sony, but the 360 is keeping them from doing so. Anyway, as stated, the 360 will probably be 299 by the time PS3 launches, and then it's off to the races as many more people are willing to spend 299 then 399 (or 199 for the core).


*/^xx
By Trisped on 5/2/2006 3:16:35 PM , Rating: 2

From what I have seen, Blue-Ray is the only thing that will get PS3 into people's houses.

As the article states, the PS2 was bought mainly because it was a cheep DVD player (there was no format war with DVD). One person here has posted that he bought a gen1 PS2 and used it to play DVDs without problems. He bought an American version PS2 that was probably better then most. In Japan there were Many Gen1 and latter models of the PS2 that had to be replaced because the DVD drive died abnormally quickly. This also happened in America, just not as often. There were A LOT of hardware problems with the PS2, sometimes resulting in permanently damaged disks.

The PS3 will be bought for the same reason. Sony did this on purpose. Since they control the royalties on Blue-Ray readers they raised them so high that a Blue-Ray system can not be bought for anything close to the cost of the PS3, which will get many non-gamers to buy the system. Once the system is out everyone will produce games for it. The more homes the console is in, the more people are able to buy your game. This is why the PS2 library is so large.

The 360 has market penetration. Anyone who bought a next gen system in the last six months bought this one.

The Wii (Revolution) is unique. It is low priced (probably in the $200-300 range) has a brand new interface system, and allows the user to play its complete library of classic games. It will also be released about the same time as the PS3, meaning it won't be the last to market as in years past.

The PS3 has hardware that no one will be able to utilize well. It will be impossibly late compared to its true competition, the 360. It will be way over priced ($400 is impractically low, but likely the price). It will (should) have full backwards compatibility with PS2 games (they will run into the same problems Microsoft had with the 360 and Apple had with the PowerPC to Intel cross over so some games will be buggy or unplayable). It will be able to support up to 7 controllers and two displays. A virtual LAN party in a box.

But I can't get 4 friends together to play at my place as easy as I can get them to join me online, and it is nice to not have to split your screen, no matter how high the res goes.

The only real advantage of the PS3 is the Blue-Ray player. That is what will get the system into homes in Japan and America. That is what will get Japanese game developers to develop games for it and port those games to the American version.

If you look at the stats, Blue-Ray is better then HD-DVD. The only problem is that Sony controls Blue-Ray. They control the chemical essential to make the disk work. They control the patents on the technology and set the royalties. They will do what ever is in their best interest. For that reason I am glad that HD-DVD will compete with them. If it does well enough it may force Sony into opening the tech up so everyone controls it and does what is best for the consumer. Or, it may force Blue-Ray out like VHS did to Beta.

Sorry for the rambling.




RE: */^xx
By hstewarth on 5/3/2006 10:32:25 AM , Rating: 2
I think for the fact that Blu-Ray is on the PS/3 and the fact that its not a Sony Only format, it will never be like Beta.


Choice
By Covenant9 on 5/3/2006 1:23:18 PM , Rating: 2
The one thing that people don't seem to get is that Microsoft can choose to adopt the Blue-Ray technology in a future add-on should they see a shift in the format wars.

They are siding with the HD-DVD camp at the moment but they aren't in bed with them like Sony is with Blue-Ray.

In the event that HD-DVD starts "winning", they are covered by the current add-on drive. If the market starts choosing Blue-Ray over HD-DVD, they can release another add-on to give the 360 users a choice.

With PS3, you'll be stuck with Blue-Ray regardless. You KNOW that Sony would never release an HD-DVD addon as this would simply admit defeat.

The pricing of the 360 HD-DVD add-on is going to be a big factor as well as the capabilities of it. If it's simply going to be a movie playback device, a stand-alone player would be just as good, although it would add to the chaos of cabling that is part of any home theatre system. If it's going to have the ability to play HD-DVD game content...uh oh. Bad news for Sony.




RE: Choice
By Dev17 on 5/3/2006 7:43:53 PM , Rating: 2
This is an excellent point. The XBOX can adapt the PS3 can't something that is actually very important. As for the format wars . I have to say that Blu Ray to me seems pointless. HD-DVD will be able to play the same quality movie. The extra space will go to special features (which are normally crap)on the Blu Ray or just nothing.
Personally I am getting a Nintendo Wii which for me will offer the best games and I will buy a stand alone HD-DVD player once I get my Hi Def TV waiting till the PS3 gets its guranteed bugs on the first batch of PS3's out of the way is not an option as I will have to wait till it releases then some. I'm sick and tired of having to pay pay premiums on products which offer little more than the alternative. Things are getting to expensive nowadays consumers should learn to hold back.


so what's new?
By phatboye on 5/2/2006 1:01:14 PM , Rating: 2
we all realized that a long time ago




RE: so what's new?
By phatboye on 5/2/2006 1:01:51 PM , Rating: 1
i am reffering to the article not the post above me :o


I fail to see the point
By Merry on 5/2/2006 3:44:29 PM , Rating: 2
Of console manufacturers pushing HD, regardless of the format, as not many people own HD TVS. I know of many people who own an XBOX 360 then play it on a 14" TV. The should have probably saved their money, indeed, it almosts saddens me to think how wasted the XBOX is on such a screen. Its the same for HD movies and such, whats the point in them if i'm goin to watch them on my bog standard CRT TV, i might as well buy an 'old' DVD or stick with my PS2.

Maybe Sony should be focusing on games and gameplay, much in the same way that Nintendo have done, as, until HD TVs become common they ain't going to get very far on with the HD sales pitch.




meh
By Chiisuchianu on 5/2/2006 4:26:33 PM , Rating: 2
Anyone who thinks Nintendo's system is only going to capture 19% market share either hasn't been keeping up with what they're doing and can't be trusted, or... they're just plain dumb and can't be trusted anyway.




DVD
By probedb on 5/2/2006 5:15:15 PM , Rating: 2
I think with the PS2 and DVDs they're more talking about it's adoption as a format more than anything else. The fact your console played DVD meant you didn't need a seperate player, just needed to go buy some films.




Exactly on target
By redbird242 on 5/2/2006 5:23:13 PM , Rating: 2
Im sure a bunch of kiddies will buy ps3 but for the rest of us the capper is the blue ray player. For the price of the PS3 to get both is an excellent bargain.

Thats why I will buy it.




Let the flame eachother..
By Mitul89 on 5/2/2006 9:47:15 PM , Rating: 2
Let them fight over who is better while Nintendo carefully sneaks in and regains its position as #1. I strongly believe that Nintendo Wii will definitely be in 2nd place if not 1st because it is going to be significantely cheaper, better controls and best of all, kick ass games.




Movies???
By bysmitty on 5/2/06, Rating: 0
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