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380 new games coming for the PS3 this fiscal year

Sony's PlayStation 3 has been on the market for a little over seven months now, but it has not been the roaring success that company executives had once promised. Development of the PS3 resulted in budget overruns, internal turmoil between key executives and a lengthy delay for the console. For his part in the rocky development of the PS3, “Father of PlayStation” Ken Kutaragi was forced out of the company and replaced by Kazuo Hirai.

When it comes to the sales of current generation hardware, the PS3 is at the rear of the pack. For the month of March, Sony sold just 130,000 of its PS3s compared to 199,000 and 259,000 respectively for the Xbox 360 and Wii. For the month of April, sales totals were at 82,000, 174,000 and 360,000 units respectively. In May, the numbers were 82,000, 155,000 and 338,000 respectively.

Sony hopes to reverse the fortunes for its $599 console (the $499 20GB model was dropped earlier this year) by opening the flood gates with new games. There are currently roughly 150 games available for the PS3 platform, but Sony plans for at least 380 new games to hit store shelves during the current fiscal year.

"Attractive game software is the key to accelerate PS3 growth over the next year," said Sony CEO Howard Stringer today at the annual shareholder's meeting.

The increased number of game titles will help Sony move a projected 11 million PS3s during the current fiscal year. The company shipped 5.5 million PS3s through the month of March -- less than the projected number of 6 million.

"All the production problems have been solved. We are making a comeback already," Stringer continued.

Also on the agenda is tackling the huge losses in Sony's Games division. The division witnessed a $1.9 billion USD loss for the fourth quarter due to the PS3.

"We always lose money in the hardware initially, and we recover that money gradually," remarked Stringer. "We believe that the PS3 going forward will be vital to our future, and succeed."

Sony is has already found at least two ways to reduce costs on its PS3. The company removed the Emotion Engine and Graphics Synthesizer (EE+GS) chip which is necessary for hardware-supported backwards compatibility for previous generation games from European PS3s. That functionality is now accomplished with software emulation.

Sony has also increased the production of the blue-violet diodes necessary for the PS3's Blu-ray drive which should drive down manufacturing costs.

Whether these lower costs on Sony's end will be passed on to the consumer remains to be seen, however. Stringer had this to say last week with regards to PS3 price cuts: "That is what we are studying at the moment. That’s what we are trying to refine."



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Rearranging Deck Chairs on the Titanic.
By ZimZum on 6/21/2007 9:05:53 AM , Rating: 4
The only thing that can turn the PS3 around at this point is a drastic price drop. Which is likely the one thing that Sony wont do. I also think taking the 20GB model off the market was a mistake. When it comes to average consumers the Wii's price point is obviously the sweet spot. The 360 is pushing it. But The $600 PS3 is getting the "Awww hell Naw !! From prospective parents. The PS3 is and will continue to be a successful console. It just wont be quite as successful as the other 2. And certainly wont meet with Sony's lofty expectations.




RE: Rearranging Deck Chairs on the Titanic.
By mdogs444 on 6/21/2007 9:16:48 AM , Rating: 5
I dont think the PS3 is considered a "success" right now, and not to positive that it will be in the future either.

My reason is:

Sony claims they are losing hundreds of dollars on each PS3 that is sold due to high manufacturing costs. Since they cannot force the public to buy a high priced item, and since so few have been sold (in relation to what they need to sell), there are not nearly as many overpriced accessories & games being sold, which is where Sony would make up the difference and attempt a profit.
If they decide to drop the price of the console to attract buyers - it would have to be more than a $100 price drop, because the $400-480 tag on the 360 is still a bit high, as shown from the sales of the Wii. Also, if they did drop, that means they would be losing that much more money on each console, and counting a major increase in sales of games & accessories.

Most people are starting to realize that even though there is a ton of functionality built into the PS3, buyers are not really getting what they pay for:

1. Blue Ray (and HD-DVD as well) are not mainstream yet. The costs of the movies are high, and the selections are minimal. No one wants to pay an additional $10-15 for a movie on Blue Ray (or HDV-DVD) over regular DVD. The other problem is that neither has won the format war, and I dont really think anyone cares who wins. If they offered a Hybrid DVD player to play both formats (although that would go against Sony trying to monopolize the HD market), people may be more open to the change - rather than the fear of being stuck with another BetaMax.

2 They advertise as a true 1080P HD Solution, yet do not come with cables to support it. $100 for the HDMI cable? Are you nuts, it costs them less than $2 to make it. Thats highway robbery to spend an additional $100 just to make your console do what it should have done straight out of the box for $600.

3. Sony's attitude towards its consumers prior & during the launch put a sour taste in many, many peoples mouths. If you need clarification on this fact, im sure many others here would be happy to chime in.

4. Right now, the game selection downright stinks. But even when it does increase, most of them will be cross platform games - available for 360, Windows, Wii. What is going to make people purchase, and increase sales of, the PS3 when they can have an alternative to play the same game for hundreds of dollars less?


RE: Rearranging Deck Chairs on the Titanic.
By Proteusza on 6/21/2007 9:38:41 AM , Rating: 2
I agree with all of your points. Lets hope Sony learns from its mistakes, because I get the feeling that, at least in the console world, they dont like not winning - they arent used to it.

Their PS1 and PS2 were runaway successes, and they thought if they did the same thing but bigger and grander, then they would win.

I think the biggest problem with the PS3 was scope creep. The project went from being a games console to a all in one entertainment device, and on that road, it picked up a heftier price tag and longer development time. They dont need blu ray for games, and the Cell is overkill - a third party solution would have been fine. But its a marketing engine for them - the Cell is going to be used in lots of devices from now on, and blu ray, is, well, blu ray.

had they not bothered with blu ray and cell, and instead gone for a third party multi core CPU, they could have beaten the 360 to market, at a lower price, and scooped up lots of developer support. now they dont have a choice but to let the PS3 run for at least 6 years because they need to try and recoup their investment. less costly development could have allowed them to start R&D for a new console sooner. nintendo and MS will now undoubtedly have new consoles before Sony, because Sony cant afford to.


RE: Rearranging Deck Chairs on the Titanic.
By ZimZum on 6/21/2007 10:01:49 AM , Rating: 1
They did take their success for granted. But you can see why. The came out of nowhere into the console market where they essentially had no previous experience and dominated the market from the start. They assumed it would continue with the PS3.


RE: Rearranging Deck Chairs on the Titanic.
By RayDorset on 6/21/07, Rating: -1
RE: Rearranging Deck Chairs on the Titanic.
By Proteusza on 6/21/2007 10:34:39 AM , Rating: 2
The problem is that, as great as the Cell is, a CPU can only influence games so much.

I mean, fully utilizing the Cell, we could see some incredible stuff. Better physics and AI in games, larger more detailed worlds. the problem is, as great as all that is, it still needs to be rendered on the screen, and the GPU on the PS3, while good, isnt in the same league as the Cell in terms of the advancement it represents over its predecessors. Right now, its great, but in 5 years time, it will be like pairing a Core 2 Duo with a Riva TNT - a CPU just cant make all the difference.

The other problem is, while developers will eventually use more of the Cell's power, in 2-3 years MS will probably release X3, which will outdo the PS3.

Shorter project cycles are favoured quite a lot now, I'm surprised Sony went for such a long term and risky project.


RE: Rearranging Deck Chairs on the Titanic.
By RayDorset on 6/21/07, Rating: 0
By ChronoReverse on 6/21/2007 11:06:50 AM , Rating: 3
In one direction. One has to wonder why on a modern system, there isn't an unified memory system.


By Proteusza on 6/21/2007 11:17:13 AM , Rating: 1
How do you know that? Are you a developer for the PS3?

Graphics pipelines work best if they are pipelined (ie serious of sequential computations). so I dont think passing data back and forth between a CPU and a GPU would be very efficient.

What would the CPU do? Transform and Lighting? could be useful for displacement mapping I suppose.

Its powerful enough to make a difference, but I'd hate to write graphics code for it. If developers have to write graphics code to use GPU's and CPU's again, they wont be happy at all.


By FITCamaro on 6/21/2007 11:40:42 AM , Rating: 2
The Xbox 360s video memory runs at 700MHz(1.4GHz effective), not the link between the CPU and the GPU.


RE: Rearranging Deck Chairs on the Titanic.
By phil126 on 6/21/2007 3:13:27 PM , Rating: 1
The problem is that Sony made wonderful hardware with no consideration for software. It is very difficult to develp PS3 games at this juncture. Software tools are slowly coming out. Since it has only one general processor a several specialtty processors (cell), threading becomes much more difficult than even on the Xbox360 or PC. And anything you write for the Wii or 360 cannot port to the PS3 without major changes to take advantage of the cell processors.


By bubbacub616 on 6/21/2007 6:11:32 PM , Rating: 3
my own (unsubstantiated) thoughts are that the cell was originally designed to it "all in one" (with the spe's working to crunch through the graphics with main code running on the power pc core) but sony soon realised that nvidia/ati had already shot way ahead of what the cell could produce with regard to graphics - hence the rather late announcement to go off shelf with the RSX. at this point the cell was already made and hence the die space on the spe's was already spent (and will largely be wasted throughout the ps3 existence - due to programming dificulties)


RE: Rearranging Deck Chairs on the Titanic.
By euclidean on 6/21/07, Rating: 0
RE: Rearranging Deck Chairs on the Titanic.
By mdogs444 on 6/21/2007 11:03:14 AM , Rating: 1
Then again, the most expensive video cards are just for bragging rights.....3d mark scores, benchmarks, overclock scores. Cmon, we all know this.

No reason you HAVE to buy a $500 video card when a $200 card will play the game just fine, and most likely, with almost all options turned all the way up. I highly doubt anyone is going to notice that 10fps difference - and if they do and think its worth an extra $300, then that is their perogative.

However, those people who spend $500 ona video card are in a very small & selective group, not mainstream. Same with the Wii/Xbox & PS3.


By Min Jia on 6/28/2007 4:22:49 AM , Rating: 1
It's "prerogative", you fucking idiot!


RE: Rearranging Deck Chairs on the Titanic.
By wallijonn on 6/21/2007 1:51:56 PM , Rating: 1
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How many people out there play computer games, and how many of those people buy the new high end video card because it will increase performance?


Yes and no.

There was a need for a more powerful card when people started buying LCD monitors with high native resolutions. Now the card had to work at 1600x1200@60fps because otherwise it would be muddy.

So everybody who absolutely needed to had to upgrade. Now that Vista is out, going forward people will either need to upgrade to a DX10 part or build a whole new computer because of the necessity for PCI-E & DX10.

Going forward I can no longer play PC games because I refuse to spend "another" $1200 to build a new PC. Which means that I'll have to transition to the console. Would I pay $$835 for a PS3? No. ($600 for the PS3, $100 for the HDMI cable, $75 for the extended warranty, taxes.)


RE: Rearranging Deck Chairs on the Titanic.
By bdewong on 6/21/2007 2:14:34 PM , Rating: 3
lol, I love it when I hear people would spend $100 on an HDMI cable.


RE: Rearranging Deck Chairs on the Titanic.
By RyuDeshi on 6/21/2007 2:25:00 PM , Rating: 4
Last I checked you could pick one up for $15...


By namechamps on 6/23/2007 11:49:56 PM , Rating: 2
Or $3.86 @ monoprice.com.

Great cables, well made never had a problem. Now they come in a plain plastic bag with model number on a sticker. Monster cable spends more on there flashy boxes. So if you want overpriced crap in a nice box buy Monster. If you want an amazing cable in a cheap plastic bag buy monoprice.


By mac2j on 6/25/2007 12:55:21 AM , Rating: 2
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Going forward I can no longer play PC games because I refuse to spend "another" $1200 to build a new PC. Which means that I'll have to transition to the console. Would I pay $$835 for a PS3? No. ($600 for the PS3, $100 for the HDMI cable, $75 for the extended warranty, taxes.)


What?

I just got a Duo E6700 w/ 4GB DDR, a 7600 GT, a 500GB HD and a DVD-RW off Dell's refurb site for $800 - cause it was scratched. You don't even need to spend 1200 to get a top of the line PC... AND that's what killing the PS3.

People think - I only have X$ so I can buy a console for fun.

BUT if the console is gonna be $700-1000 they say "why don't I just buy a new, top-of-the-line PC" ... I mean seriously you can buy a decent PC and a WII for what a decked PS3 w/ options costs.


RE: Rearranging Deck Chairs on the Titanic.
By OblivionMage on 6/21/2007 11:07:33 AM , Rating: 2
Sony using 20% of its potential and the 360 done? Graphics wise the 360 is as good as the PS3, if not better, and the 360 has more memory bandwidth, and it has 512mb RAM for either graphics or system, while the PS3 has 256 for both. So developers have much more to work with in the 360. The cell processors will help for very large-scale scenery and such, but without the RAM and the Graphics to support it, isn't really all that great. So don't say that the X360 is done, and that the PS3 is only using 20% of its potential.

The war has just begun I suppose, and I like sony, but I will get an xbox 360 for Halo 3.

This is a really short post because of the Halo 3 ARG ^.^


RE: Rearranging Deck Chairs on the Titanic.
By mars777 on 6/21/07, Rating: -1
RE: Rearranging Deck Chairs on the Titanic.
By FITCamaro on 6/21/2007 11:46:35 AM , Rating: 3
Oh wait, no its not. The Xbox 360 runs an extremely modified version of Windows CE.


By mars777 on 6/27/2007 3:35:18 AM , Rating: 2
Jesus, come on a bit of sarcasm is good from time to time.

But I heard somewhere that it was some kind of Windows 2000.
(not backupping with a link because it was just a rumor)

What I do know is that Windows Ce.Net can be made run on the Xbox, but this does not confirm that it is its main OS.


By FITCamaro on 6/21/2007 11:44:14 AM , Rating: 3
No the PS3 has 256MB of DDR3 for the graphics card and 256MB of XDR memory for the Cell. I forget which one at the moment but either the CPU or GPU has direct access the others memory but not the other way around. But yes this does limit the developers access to resources a bit whereas on the 360, both the CPU or the GPU can take full access to all 512MB of memory.


RE: Rearranging Deck Chairs on the Titanic.
By RayDorset on 6/21/07, Rating: 0
RE: Rearranging Deck Chairs on the Titanic.
By mdogs444 on 6/21/2007 10:15:51 AM , Rating: 3
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Sony have NEVER mentioned the manufacuting cost of the PS3, so claiming they have, just makes you look even more of an idiot. iSupply have however done a component breakdown, back in Novemeber 06, when the console launched in the US, and came up with $800 worth of components.


Yes they have, maybe you should do some research. Sony executives have confirmed that they were losing several hundred on each console sold - because of what you just said, it cost more to make than what they were selling it for.

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HDMI are $4 each. Your an abosolute fool if you pay more that $20 for a HMDI cable, let alone $100.


#1. No one said i bought one. #2. I am talking about the retail B&M price of a SONY Branded HDMI PS3 cable. not a cheap internet knock off.

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Where I shop, Blu-Ray movies are $5 more than the DVD version, which I am glad to pay for, because I am getting a MUCH better picture.


Just because you are more than willing, does not mean that the majority of consumers are.

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There are over 30 exclusives and even more timed exclusives on PS3. Sure there are just as many on the 360, and Sony have lost GTA series exclusive, but lets not pretend there rn't a whole new load of PS3 exclusives to replace those thay have been lost.


Please name off the 30 exclusives that people think are worth buying.

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I'n not sure how you work out it costs less for games on other consoles


I dont see where I claimed that an xbox or wii game cost less to purchase than a PS3 game. Please show.

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The BIG problem, is you also have to pay for all the other crap on 360. Online, costs money, HDDVD, costs money, Wifi, costs money, play and charge kit, costs money.


The BIG problem is that Sony does not give its consumers a choice on whether they would like to pay additional to have those extra features. YOu must not be paying attention to the moral of the story when people discuss the high price point.

Consumers want to spend less money out of their pockets to be able to go home and play the game/system. I agree that Wi-Fi, play & charge, online, HD-DVD are all nice options. BUt they are not requirements to being able to play the xbox system.

If sony had a PS3 system available with no blue ray, but standard DVD, component 1080i cables, a wireless controller, and the 20gb HD for $399, i think the story would be different.

But you cannot factor in the HD DVD drive, but sony is trying to push the market to HD, when the fact of the matter is, the market is not ready and willing for it yet.


RE: Rearranging Deck Chairs on the Titanic.
By RayDorset on 6/21/07, Rating: -1
RE: Rearranging Deck Chairs on the Titanic.
By mdogs444 on 6/21/2007 10:36:22 AM , Rating: 3
Go to BestBuy.com (because notice, i said Brick & Mortar), and they range from $60-$100 in the PS3 accessories area.

Also, where are your answers to the rest of my statements - or have you run out of bullshit?


By SniperWulf on 6/22/2007 8:08:49 AM , Rating: 1
You stated a flat $100 in your original post, and that was just dead wrong


By dnatek on 6/21/2007 10:42:08 AM , Rating: 2
Without taking sides, I suggest the following cable would be the correct one for this comparison:

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet...

(Sony brand PS3 HDMI cable - full retail = $60)


RE: Rearranging Deck Chairs on the Titanic.
By mdogs444 on 6/21/2007 10:48:50 AM , Rating: 3
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Your an abosolute fool if you pay more that $20 for a HMDI cable


Im not sure whats funnier, the fact that you honestly believe yourself in your comments......or the fact that you said anyone who pays more than $20 for HDMI is an idiot, then go out and show one that costs more than $30.


RE: Rearranging Deck Chairs on the Titanic.
By RayDorset on 6/21/07, Rating: -1
RE: Rearranging Deck Chairs on the Titanic.
By RayDorset on 6/21/2007 10:59:13 AM , Rating: 6
OK, so the crappy forum software truncated my URL.

Try this one: http://tinyurl.com/2pu269


By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 6/21/2007 1:05:45 PM , Rating: 2
Hmm some kind of weird character in your link. I moderated your comment cause it was messing with the formatting. Gave you a 6 post to balance it out :-P


By crystal clear on 6/23/2007 11:59:10 PM , Rating: 2
Bad link doesnt work !


RE: Rearranging Deck Chairs on the Titanic.
By mdogs444 on 6/21/2007 11:00:08 AM , Rating: 2
I dont doubt it, and i wasn't trying to start an argument with you, just trying to make a point. I use $9 Newegg HDMI's at home. But my point is that since the PS3 does not come with the necessary cable to make the system standout as 1080p as advertised, you have to buy them with it. Most of consumers buying this product are parents - who probably dont know the first thing about HD, HDMI, 1080i, 1080p, etc. So if the sales guy says you need an HDMI cable, then they buy it at B&M for a ridiculous amount. Sony branded ones that the previous poster showed was $60. You think this is priced so high in order to make money (in accessories) from the loss they take on each console sale? I do.


By darkpaw on 6/21/2007 12:36:53 PM , Rating: 2
Thats not just Sony's video game department, their whole consumer electronics group is like that. I bought a $500 sony home theater system that included an HDMI DVD player, prominently claimed it was HDMI all over, and oh dear didn't include an HDMI cable.

I ended up taking it back anyways because the damn thing didn't even deconde HDMI signals, it just passed them on to the TV - defeating the whole fucking point of spending the money on an AV box to begin with.


RE: Rearranging Deck Chairs on the Titanic.
By RayDorset on 6/21/07, Rating: -1
By mdogs444 on 6/21/2007 11:09:55 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
"If sony had a PS3 system available with no blue ray, but standard DVD,.."


My analogy was meerly stating that to be competitive, and to make consumers retract statements about "overpriced". Dont turn into the NBC Nightly News and insert quotes into parts of sentences that are taken out of context.

quote:
The fact your games will suck due to DVD9 limits


If that were the case, the PS3 would be winning right now my friend. And its not like the games to not have extra downloadable content & updates.

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and because of this eventually a new 360 with Blu-Ray or HD-DVD will come out, to replace your console....
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If that were the case, it would have already. And by the time a larger format is needed - say 3 or so years....Microsoft could be on the next gen console, while Sony will still be selling the PS3 trying to catch up after its huge losses.


By FITCamaro on 6/21/2007 12:53:06 PM , Rating: 2
Once again another person who thinks only awesome graphics makes great games. That is the only reason for needing such large space. And with the 360s design it has ample processing power to unpack compressed textures. Sure thats not as good as uncompressed, but Gears of War in 720p looked completely awesome to me. So I really don't care. And even if it had only PS2 level graphics, it still would have been awesome.

And if they really need extra space, they can release the game on multiple discs. RPGs will be the only games on the 360 that will ever require it.

And even if an HD-DVD or Blu-ray equipped 360 ever came out, the high def media wouldn't be used for games.

And yes, before those large of spaces are truly needed, Microsoft will likely release an Xbox 720 or whatever they'll call it that I would think they'd make backwards compatible this time around.

The only downside of the 360 I see that the PS3 doesn't have is that Microsoft's base system didn't come with a hard drive which prevents game developers from using it. Of course if a game developer came out with an awesome game that required the hard drive, people would likely go buy one. Microsoft will eventually drop the price on the 20GB model (they really do need to).


By Oregonian2 on 6/21/2007 2:06:55 PM , Rating: 2
"Internet knock off" HDMI cables may be $20, but the HDMI cable I bought retail over the counter at a local cable shop earlier this week was slightly under $10 (and we've no sales tax here, so that was the final delivered price). Worked very nicely too, I had to replace the faulty Sony cable that came with a Sony DVD player (with upsampling) that I had bought a couple months ago -- but stopped working. :-)

P.S. - At the shop, I was buying a fancy looking $19 blister retail pack HDMI cable when the shop owner asked me if I really needed the right-angle connector that the cable provided. I said "no, not really", so he said "why not just buy the $10 cable instead" and he grabbed one of them (I hadn't seen them) and gave it to me. Saved me more money. I like that shop (his initials are PCH for those who know him). And as I mentioned above, it works beautifully.


RE: Rearranging Deck Chairs on the Titanic.
By mars777 on 6/21/2007 11:07:48 AM , Rating: 1
Replying:

1. If you are fearing BD to become a Betamax than you don't know how influent Sony is in the movie market. And of course, people are not buying tha PS3 for BD right now, maybe they will in a year or two.

2. Yes they come with them. They don't come with a HDMI cable, but I bought one for 15$ and it works. 100$ in your head :P

3. I don't have attitude towards Sony and they don't have attitude toward me. I bought a piece of hardware, and I am using it. Attitude means nothing to me. They could be the 3rd Reich, but if they give me value it's ok. I'm just a consumer. Only to Dailytech people attitude could mean something.

4. Didn't buy the console mainly for games. Its to replace the DVD player. Games are welcome but not even necessary.


By mdogs444 on 6/21/2007 11:13:43 AM , Rating: 4
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1. If you are fearing BD to become a Betamax than you don't know how influent Sony is in the movie market. And of course, people are not buying tha PS3 for BD right now, maybe they will in a year or two.


For your sake, I hope you're right......the track records of "BetaMax" and "MiniDisc" keep flashing lights in my head. Another sony proprietary format trying to overtake the market with overpriced products.


By akugami on 6/21/2007 1:20:40 PM , Rating: 2
BD, at this point in time, has as good of a possibility of becoming the next Betamax as HD-DVD. No more, no less.

Don't forget Sony's dominance on the portable audio device category. They couldn't possibly have lost to some computer company whose death has been predicted for about 20 years now. Or could they?


RE: Rearranging Deck Chairs on the Titanic.
By Legolias24 on 6/21/2007 1:34:01 PM , Rating: 2
I remember when I bought my PS3 a couple months ago I bought the HDMI cable that was in the PS3 section. I think it was only $25CDN not the $60 or $100 people are talking about...although to be fair, I did a quick check on Best Buy and I did see the $60 and $100 cables. I couldn't find mine though...must've only been a B&M available part. (if it was more than $30, I wouldn't have bought it I can assure you of that!)

Either way, still happy with my purchase! :P


RE: Rearranging Deck Chairs on the Titanic.
By luhar49 on 6/22/2007 12:59:20 AM , Rating: 4
I am surprised by the visible anti-Sony sentiment amongst the readers in this forum. I am not sure if that comes from being an Xbox 360 owner or just general dislike of Sony Corporation.

The first comment in this thread by msdogs has been rated a 5 and I cant understand why.
He makes some statements where he assumes that everyone else in the world follows his line of thinking. Making statements about what you think is fine, but saying what everyone thinks, is out of line.
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No one wants to pay an additional $10-15 for a movie on Blue Ray (or HDV-DVD) over regular DVD

Its not always 10-15$ difference and yes sir, I will pay for these. Not because its a Sony/Toshiba whatever product, but because its high definition. I love the picture/audio quality I get. You cant even begin to compare it with a regular DVD. So please dont assume that noone is willing to pay extra for quality.
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$100 for the HDMI cable?

This has already been discussed. I paid only 10$ for my HDMI cable and its hardly a valid point for arguing that PS3 is expensive.

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Sony's attitude towards its consumers prior & during the launch put a sour taste in many, many peoples mouths
Please be specific.
- Did you have a get bad service while buying a PS3 at some shop ?
- Were you unable to get one because of short supply ?
You cant argue in generic terms. No big corporation would have a faultless track record for satisfying customers. If you want to look for them, you will find negatives against any big company out there.
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Right now, the game selection downright stinks.
I would completely agree. The selection of available games on PS3 currently is pretty poor. Things should start getting better by this summer.


By mdogs444 on 6/22/2007 8:08:38 AM , Rating: 1
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He makes some statements where he assumes that everyone else in the world follows his line of thinking.


I am not assuming everyone thinks what I do, nor am i even an Xbox or a PS3 fan. I am making statements that accurately reflect the sales numbers, statements of many editors, and which reflect the majority of consumers.

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This has already been discussed. I paid only 10$ for my HDMI cable and its hardly a valid point for arguing that PS3 is expensive.


If you read further, you'll see that I pay $10 for mine as well. My argurment was simply that Sony branded products are priced higher than the competition always - even when they offer the same form & function.

quote:
Please be specific.
- Did you have a get bad service while buying a PS3 at some shop ?
- Were you unable to get one because of short supply ?


Ill start off by saying, I do not own many sony products at all (if any right now), and no i never even attempted to purchase this product because of its price point.

To answer your statement of being specific about how they turned off customers, im researching quotes as we speak, but i cannot seem to get Daily Tech to go back past the end of march for teh correct articles.

Maybe some others here will elaborate, but they were along the lines of "they will pay this amount, because its a sony, and thats what we want them to do."


By adam92682 on 6/22/2007 11:04:06 AM , Rating: 2
you can get an HDMI cable at wal-mart for $29


By Ares0406 on 6/24/2007 12:08:51 PM , Rating: 2
I'm agree all of your points. All i want just Sony can reduce price of ps3. And have more games for ps3.


RE: Rearranging Deck Chairs on the Titanic.
By killerb255 on 6/21/2007 7:28:05 PM , Rating: 3
PS3 seems to be another Neo-Geo to me.

Does anyone remember that console? It was out around the 16-bit SNES/Genesis era.

The Neo-Geo's graphics totally pwned that of the SNES and Genesis.

...but the price is what killed it.

The cartridge-based games were $100+ and the system itself was about the price of a PC!

...maybe Sony needs to learn from SNK...


By zornundo on 6/25/2007 4:34:44 PM , Rating: 2
That was one fun system!! The price was enough to make me sick so I never even considered buying one as a teen. My buddy and I rented one from the store and a bunch of games and partied for a couple days straight. It's still fun to download a Neo-Geo emulator and games and have fun.

I agree with your point about Neo-Geo pricing as compared to PS3 pricing. At least PS3 games don't cost $100!!! How much of it's $600 tag could be lopped off it you toss the Blu-Ray player aspect? I wish Sony could get rif of it's proprietary format fetish.


Not a logical move....
By mdogs444 on 6/21/07, Rating: 0
RE: Not a logical move....
By edge929 on 6/21/2007 9:16:39 AM , Rating: 5
I'll admit that the only reason I initially bought a PS1 and PS2 was for a Final Fantasy game. Sure, I benefited in the end with other great games, but those weren't out when I made my decision to purchase a console based on one game. But then again, I paid no more than $200 per console back then. Would I pay $600+ for FF13? Absolutely..... not. Even I have my limits.


RE: Not a logical move....
By Spivonious on 6/21/2007 9:20:15 AM , Rating: 3
I'd agree with you, but how many people bought a Gamecube to play Resident Evil 4? Tons.

With that said, I wonder how many of those 380 games are a "must-have"/"killer-app". Sony doesn't have one right now and it's hurting them. 360 had Oblivion and more recently Gears of War. Wii had Zelda. PS3 has ?


RE: Not a logical move....
By gradoman on 6/21/2007 9:34:07 AM , Rating: 2
Another post was pretty similar to what I'd said in reply, but I just wanted to ask: was the Gamecube, at any time, 600 dollars? The price point is what's hurting Sony. Oh, and that game was reeeeeeeeaaaaaally ace. (RE4, I meant)


RE: Not a logical move....
By Malhavoc on 6/21/2007 9:21:09 AM , Rating: 2
Hmmm, why did I buy a PS2? I had to play GTA3. I don't understand your argument.

However, exclusivity is important for things like this to continue.


RE: Not a logical move....
By mdogs444 on 6/21/2007 9:25:38 AM , Rating: 2
Exclusive games are important....but what im saying is that most people wouldnt spend $250+tax JUST to play GT3 on PS2 (let alone $650+tax on PS3).


RE: Not a logical move....
By gradoman on 6/21/2007 9:30:10 AM , Rating: 2
I don't think the PS2 was ever 600 dollars and surely, GTA3 wasn't a launch game, so the PS3 was probably even less by the time that arrived. That the OP's argument. Let me know if I'm wrong on that one though.


RE: Not a logical move....
By mdogs444 on 6/21/2007 9:33:09 AM , Rating: 2
No one said PS2 was $600. However, the PS2 was competitively prices with the original Xbox & Nintendo systems - to the point that people bought for preference, not for price.


RE: Not a logical move....
By Malhavoc on 6/21/2007 10:07:14 AM , Rating: 2
I wasn't refuting anything about pricing. Just that people don't buy consoles for their games (it was in bold in OP, hard to miss).

GTA3 was a late arrival and yes PS2 was cheaper (and never $600) at that time. So what would it take for me to buy a PS3 at $600? Two GTA3s!

While launch games are important for initial sales, isn't the whole games library more important?

For me, none of the current consoles are screaming buy me (well maybe the are and I am not hearing them).

The Wii is too expensive for me. Perhaps if I was drunk I would buy it. I'd need to stay drunk to pick out a couple games too.

The song in the Gears of War commerical almost did it for me for Xbox 360, then I realized it was a song.

I had a PS3 in hand, I looked at the price again and then looked at the game selection and realized they did not have THE game.


Anyway, the console war is far from over.


RE: Not a logical move....
By PrinceGaz on 6/22/2007 1:16:01 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
GTA3 was a late arrival and yes PS2 was cheaper (and never $600) at that time. So what would it take for me to buy a PS3 at $600? Two GTA3s!


Most people don't play two games at once, so the majority of those who might be tempted to spend $300 to play a game they really want will find it much more difficult to justify spending $600 to do so.


RE: Not a logical move....
By redog on 6/21/2007 9:48:05 AM , Rating: 3
I personally don't own a 360 yet, but when mass effect hits i'm getting one.

The only question left in my mind is can i hold out long enough to get new chipset.

-R


RE: Not a logical move....
By RayDorset on 6/21/07, Rating: -1
RE: Not a logical move....
By mdogs444 on 6/21/2007 9:59:18 AM , Rating: 3
Wii -> Affordable.
PS2 -> Affordable.
Xbox (1) -> Affordable.

quote:
Quality costs money, it's as simple as that. Cheap console == crap console..


Your single example of a console that has known issues (and keeps outselling the PS3 by a 2:1 ratio) is faulty.

I dont believe either of them are cheap to make, just one happens to be several hundred dollars cheaper to buy. If you want to throw out unjustified statements, then i will come back with:

SONY costs money, it's as simple as that. Sony PS3 == Overpriced Betamax..


RE: Not a logical move....
By XesBOX on 6/21/2007 1:32:00 PM , Rating: 5
God you're a troll.

It's a good thing you haven't mentioned PS2's failure rate. Working at a retail gaming store that takes used systems, the ratio of failed/broken/busted/etc PS2 to it's counter parts was, and let me put this lightly, staggering.

Quality doesn't cost money.. LUXURY costs money. Sony's PS3 isn't a QUALITY gaming system, it's an over-priced and under-developed luxury gaming system stuffed full of ego and pride.


RE: Not a logical move....
By KaiserCSS on 6/21/2007 10:27:46 PM , Rating: 2
I love you so much.

Will you have my babies?


I've got an idea
By webdawg77 on 6/21/2007 8:52:40 AM , Rating: 5
How about lowering the price of the console? It doesn't matter if you have 1000's of games if not enough people own the console. A price drop of just $100 just might get me interested enough.




RE: I've got an idea
By Proteusza on 6/21/2007 8:58:47 AM , Rating: 2
I'll be waiting for the end of the year.

By then, some of these promised games will have come out, and Sony might even drop the price (if they cut the EE and graphics synthesizer out, why dont they drop the price?)

150 games available right now? Did I miss something? Most stores dont have 20. Are they optimistically and misleadingly counting games from different regions as different games?


RE: I've got an idea
By colonelclaw on 6/21/2007 9:07:36 AM , Rating: 2
yeah 150 games sounds highly suspicious to me too. my local Game store has barely 20.
as for a price cut, it will probably need about $100 to lure in the gamer community, and at least $200 if not more to get into the much larger parents-buying-a-present market

until then Wii will continue to outsell XB360 and PS3 combined. and even when they do lower prices, Nintendo (who currently make a PROFIT on hardware) will just do the same.


RE: I've got an idea
By FITCamaro on 6/21/2007 4:09:41 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed. I've only seen like 15-20 games in the local stores. I would really love to see that list of 150 titles that are currently out.

The Wii is selling well, but not more than the other two combined.


RE: I've got an idea
By SigmaHyperion on 6/21/2007 4:40:01 PM , Rating: 2
Might wanna check your math on that one, FITCamaro.

The Wii is selling about 350,000 units a month.

The PS3 is selling about 80,000-100,000 units a month. And the Xbox360 is selling about 150,000-180,000 units a month.

Even with the PS3 and 360 together, the Wii still outsells them by upwards of 100,000 units a month. You could double the PS3 sales and the Wii would still outsell the two others combined.


RE: I've got an idea
By LtFarva on 6/21/2007 8:59:01 AM , Rating: 2
I think it's pretty much certain they will drop the price by the end of the year. $100 less would make me consider it too. I haven't had much of a reason to get a 360 yet, so it'll be interesting to see how the prices and games turn out this year.

And if they drop the price by more than $100 and Microsoft doesn't drop the 360 price, woh nelly, that's gonna be interesting.


whats with all the sony hatred...
By jay2o01 on 6/21/2007 9:54:36 AM , Rating: 2
PS3's sales are neck and neck with where the xbox360 was at this point in its lifecycle. WHile no one's arguing the success of the wii, its clear that both consoles (xbox & ps) are graphically superior (read more expensive).

I agree w/sony that software will make people want the console... We'll know soon enough when titles like PS Home, gt5 and metal gear launch exclusively for Ps3 if its enough for people to go out and buy the console.

Currently, imho its in the top 10 of bluray movie players (especially now that the scaling issues are done with)...

The only dealbreaker for me was that idiot's comments that saving for the PS3 would teach me and my kids discipline...




RE: whats with all the sony hatred...
By mdogs444 on 6/21/2007 10:03:25 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
PS3's sales are neck and neck with where the xbox360 was at this point in its lifecycle.


Do you have references to back that up? I am asking because the sales reports of the last few months (which you can find posted in teh Daily Tech columns) show that for the past several months, the 360 has been outselling PS3 by almost a 2:1 ratio.

quote:
Currently, imho its in the top 10 of bluray movie players


Are there even 10 Blue Ray movie players available?!?!


By jay2o01 on 6/21/2007 10:31:54 AM , Rating: 2
"Do you have references to back that up?"

http://forum.pcvsconsole.com/viewthread.php?tid=11...

according to those numbers its about 300k off roughly 1.7 million for xbox 360 (november 05- may 06) and 1.4 for PS3 (november 06- may 97)

"Are there even 10 Blue Ray movie players available?!?!"

CNet lists 29 B-ray players (big surprise here sony laptops and standalones account for 12)


RE: whats with all the sony hatred...
By ATC on 6/21/2007 10:36:03 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Do you have references to back that up? I am asking because the sales reports of the last few months (which you can find posted in teh Daily Tech columns) show that for the past several months, the 360 has been outselling PS3 by almost a 2:1 ratio.

I think what he meant was the 360 sales at the same time frame in its own product life cycle. Meaning, comparing PS3 sales now to 360 sales when it was also just a few months in.

quote:
Are there even 10 Blue Ray movie players available?!?!

True, but over at AVS forums it's pretty much the consensus now that the PS3 is a damn fine BD player, besting even the $1200 stand alone players from Sony and Samsung. Not bad for a console which typically suck at movie playback.


By SigmaHyperion on 6/21/2007 2:32:12 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
PS3's sales are neck and neck with where the xbox360 was at this point in its lifecycle.


True it's closer than a lot of comments might suggest, but the 360 in its' first 6 months still outsold the PS3 in its' first 6 months by a good 20%. And the 360 was far more restricted on the supply-side for a larger portion of time than the PS3 was too.

quote:
I agree w/sony that software will make people want the console... We'll know soon enough when titles like PS Home, gt5 and metal gear launch exclusively for Ps3 if its enough for people to go out and buy the console.


I don't know about "soon".

PS Home won't launch until at least the very end of this year around the Holiday Season. And I'm not sure how big a selling point it will be. But then no one would have thought Second Life would be huge or that The Sims would end up being one of the most successful gaming franchises ever either.

Metal Gear Solid has about another year before it comes out. Rumors have it coming out sometime in Early 2008. Not exactly what I would call "soon".

And GT5. That's a LONG ways off. Polyphony is now saying 2008/2009. And with their history of always being way late that means no earlier than 2009 for sure.

By 2009 when GT5 launches, the last uber-exclusive that Sony has (and GT is a big one to have) there's a good chance that MS will already be releasing/"leaking" details on its' next -gen console. Unless it decides that it is so comfortable with the 2-3 years jump it will have on Sony's next-gen that it can hold off for another year and still beat 'em to the punch.


RE: whats with all the sony hatred...
By vitul on 6/21/2007 11:52:04 PM , Rating: 2
one thing that might help sony alot is all the failing 360s. Between myself and the 3 other friends i know who own 360s 3 of them have failed. Mine is being sent back for the 2nd time right now. If they dont fix that issue all that headway they thought they gained and future buyers will shy away from the 360.

At that point for the major gamers the ps3 is the other option and with the titles finally coming out for it, they might just destroy microsoft in this gen of consoles wars as well.

Even if you look at the xbox forums and many microsoft fanboys have given up on the 360 and have moved to the ps3 due to all the hardware problems. If by the holidays the 360 hasent fixed this major flaw they might be the sinking ship.


By encryptkeeper on 6/22/2007 10:15:30 AM , Rating: 2
I'm not sure adrenaline will work, as the PS3 is closer to flatlining than anything else. Face it, they weren't prepared to swap places with Nintendo, it'd be like Hyundai and Toyota suddenly switching places in who produces and sells more cars. I'm very skeptical that they will deliver 200 console games and 180 online games in one fiscal year. One thing no one can argue with, whether you are a Sony fan or not, is that coming into this generation they lost a lot of customer loyalty. It was all of the outlandish, "Our dicks are bigger than theirs" type comments they kept throwing around all last year that made people wonder whether PS3 was going to be worth the 600 price point, and it's obviously not. I loved my PS1 and PS2, but even if the PS3 were 199, I wouldn't buy it right now because there's nothing killer to buy the system for. MGS4 would be worth the 199 price point, but that price won't exist for the PS3 for a LONG time.


PS3 more important than just the gaming for Sony
By wordsworm on 6/21/2007 10:24:18 AM , Rating: 1
I don't think the numbers were fairly crunched for Sony's PS3 by comparison with the others. According to this article's numbers, if income is measured rather than numbers, I found that PS3 is #2 after Wii.

I froogled some numbers and this was what I came up with for total income:
Sony ($519x130,000) 67,470,000
Xbox ($299x199,000) 59,501,000
wii ($299x259,000) 101,062,000

That puts Sony at #2 for income generated.

But there's more to this than just the game console. Even though people are skeptical of BluRay discs catching on, the PS3 is a huge promotion for the technology. If they win the high definition video war, then the profits that they'll reap from the technology will likely dwarf the profit/loss from the console. Sony has more to win/lose than the other two companies. It's also still pretty early in the game. It's almost impossible to say where these numbers will be in 1 or 2 years.

In any case, that sums up my 2 cents.




By mdogs444 on 6/21/2007 10:31:49 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I froogled some numbers and this was what I came up with for total income:
Sony ($519x130,000) 67,470,000
Xbox ($299x199,000) 59,501,000


Not to say you are incorrect ... but Sony's price should be at $499 & $599 since those were the prices of the console. And Xbox's should be at $299 & $399. SO not exactly a fair assessment.

Also, what is the 130,000 and 199,000? Daily Tech just confirmed that the 360 sold 155,000 units last month alone, while the PS3 was at 88,000 (i think) - also showing figure for the past 3-4 previous months with Microsoft outselling Sony by almost a 2:1 ratio.

Income does not generate into success &/or profit. Sony has confirmed they lose money on each console they sell because of manufacturing costs. I am not sure how much the Xbox 360 costs to manufacture anymore, but I am almost positive that they were breaking even at start, and have now lowered their costs due to 1-2 years of manufacturing.


By geddarkstorm on 6/21/2007 12:10:02 PM , Rating: 2
His assessment isn't that off at all. The 499 was dropped, and most Xbox's are around 299 from what I've found (or much lower even), with that 599 elite out there now. However, we do not know how the numbers are distributed between the different console flavors, so it seems reasonable, statistically, to assume his numbers are correct since they represent averages. Afterall, the original Sony price point was 599, not the 519 he's displaying there, which is lower than the average between the 499 and 599 (therefore already weighted in favor of much higher 499 sales, if that is true or not).

The Xbox revenue is the harder one to tell; but the basic point is valid in showing both consoles economically are doing very similar (higher price point will of course mean lower sale numbers, but could also give more revenue. Basic economics; just use a standard price/demand curve to prove that to yourself. Where the sweet point is for the PS3 is probably at least 150 lower than what it is now).


By mdogs444 on 6/21/2007 12:43:31 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
most Xbox's are around 299 from what I've found (or much lower even), with that 599 elite out there now


The xbox core is $299, Premium (highest selling) is $399, and Elite is $479.

quote:
Where the sweet point is for the PS3 is probably at least 150 lower than what it is now


I think we'll all agree to that 100%. At $450, the PS3 would then be competitive w/ the Xbox 360 - just as the PS2 & Xbox were several years back. People were buying on preference, not price.

quote:
but the basic point is valid in showing both consoles economically are doing very similar


As far as Total Sales dollars for a same period, I would have to agree. But as far as their Net Margin, I would have to made an educated decision that the 360 is in much better shape considering (for the same selling time period) the amount of accessories & games sold, not to metion they are most likely profitting on each console, if not breaking even.


By wordsworm on 6/25/2007 4:41:50 AM , Rating: 2
I didn't want to figure at $599 because that's just the suggested price. I used Froogle to try and establish a 'real world' price to work into my calculation. In any case, I'm not a fan of gaming systems. The only reason I'm paying attention to PS3 is because I'm wondering what effect it'll have on the emerging higher definition formats.

I'm guessing that this war has to happen. Once both players have realized that there's no clear winner, it will then be decided to offer a dual format drive for a reasonable price. That's what I expect to see 12-24 months from now. I'm pulling for blu-ray because I see it as being a better technology rather than a refinement of a current technology. Research into this technology will ultimately result in superior products. That's just a guess on my part, and since I'm not an engineer, I'm just speaking out of my (bleep).


By RedStar on 6/25/2007 12:53:51 PM , Rating: 2
"sale numbers, but could also give more revenue"

LOL... sony loses some 200$ on every console (1.3 billion lost for the game division so far --as per this article) yet here you are trying to imply sony is actually making revenue from the PS3.

:) Sony is obviously in 3rd place by any measure.

Lets move along


By Oregonian2 on 6/21/2007 2:15:16 PM , Rating: 3
What is being called "income" really is "revenue". I think "income" is usually profit related, and Sony is VERY VERY far back on that stat with their significant losses per box (vs the 360's maybe not losing money per box now).

One thing for sure, availability isn't a problem now for PS3's. I was in Costco last week and there was a very large stack of them (without any "missing" in the stack's "pattern").


Wii and PC for me.
By Mitch101 on 6/21/2007 9:47:55 AM , Rating: 2
I got a Wii and my PC to hold me over until I see something more than 2-3 games I really want to play. Not to mention the format wars. Since I didnt own a gamecube I have that lineup as well to play with. I also still have my original X-Box which I still enjoy.

Blue-Ray is most probably winning but with HD-DVD Set top units being in the $200.00 range Im not convinced their is a clear winner. Not to mention Toshiba going to put a HD-DVD drive in every laptop next year with a distribution of 9+ million at no additional cost tells me neither is throwing in the towel. While there is a leader there is no winner yet. I know a few people who recently purchased set top HD-DVD players and a few HD-DVD players for thier PC's. I know of one person with a PS3.

I blame the movie studios for not supporting both formats and just letting consumers get on with moving forward in the HD format of thier choice. Hopefully when they go to Ultra High Definition they will have thier act together on a single format.

So in the mean time I have a Wii and my PC to hold me over until I see something really spectacular happen on the 360 or PS3. Besides PC versions of most of these games are $30-$40.00 and let me use the mouse. I got Fear on the PC for $20.00 so do I spend $40.00-$60.00 for it on a console or use that $20.00-$40.00 difference to buy a better graphics card for my PC. Or just save the cash?

I might be missing out on the latest sports and racings games but if Im still enjoying my last gen console then I can certainly wait 3 years and buy the winner of the console war and play all the previous games. Heck the PS2 is still selling very well so not everyone believes they need the next gen cutting edge console.

I might just skip the console war of PS3 or 360 and just stick with what I have. They are both great consoles but with PC costs dropping I might be sticking a PC in my living room before a next gen console this time around. For $600.00 I can certainly build a kick ass PC.




RE: Wii and PC for me.
By Proteusza on 6/21/2007 10:05:38 AM , Rating: 5
I'm definitely going to skip this generation of consoles.

The Wii is underpowered and doesnt have any games I would buy.
The PS3 is overpriced and doesnt have any games.
The 360 is decently priced, well powered, has a good selection of games.

But its also not stable at all.

No thanks, I'll take a PC.


RE: Wii and PC for me.
By Gul Westfale on 6/21/2007 12:07:04 PM , Rating: 2
my thoughts exactly. the Wii really doesn't do it for me, the PS3 is a failure (few games, high price, and the graphics chip was outdated before it ever launched), and with the 360 you have to pay a fee to play online... so i'll stick with my PC.


RE: Wii and PC for me.
By geddarkstorm on 6/21/2007 12:10:45 PM , Rating: 2
Here here!


I wouldn't mind, but...
By lco45 on 6/21/2007 9:31:46 AM , Rating: 5
370 of them are on one disk called 'Arcade Classics'...




RE: I wouldn't mind, but...
By retrospooty on 6/21/2007 9:55:14 AM , Rating: 2
LOL... N1


RE: I wouldn't mind, but...
By Oregonian2 on 6/21/2007 2:19:43 PM , Rating: 2
I was wondering about just that. A PS3 version of "pong" counting as one of the number stated. :-)

P.S. - I actually liked pong. Stupid simple but it was fun back then when expectations were low.


In Response!
By Supersonic3474 on 6/21/2007 10:35:00 AM , Rating: 2
"I wasn't refuting anything about pricing. Just that people don't buy consoles for their games (it was in bold in OP, hard to miss).

GTA3 was a late arrival and yes PS2 was cheaper (and never $600) at that time. So what would it take for me to buy a PS3 at $600? Two GTA3s!

While launch games are important for initial sales, isn't the whole games library more important?

For me, none of the current consoles are screaming buy me (well maybe the are and I am not hearing them).

The Wii is too expensive for me. Perhaps if I was drunk I would buy it. I'd need to stay drunk to pick out a couple games too.

The song in the Gears of War commerical almost did it for me for Xbox 360, then I realized it was a song.

I had a PS3 in hand, I looked at the price again and then looked at the game selection and realized they did not have THE game.

Anyway, the console war is far from over."

ARE YOU F!@#$%^ CRAZY!!!

Xbox 360 has the best library at the moment.

Gears of War
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vega
Oblivion
Forza Motorsport
GRAW 1 and 2
Collin McRae DIRT
Call of Duty 3
Prey
DOA 4
Guitar Hero 2
Fight Night Round 3
Saints Row

Thats the best games list for that system. I dont know about you but thats pretty decent. And for $400! thats not too bad. Unless you are poor or just a tight A$$




RE: In Response!
By AlexandertheBlue on 6/24/2007 8:54:21 PM , Rating: 2
Quote

Thats the best games list for that system. I dont know about you but thats pretty decent. And for $400! thats not too bad. Unless you are poor or just a tight A$$

both thank you


RE: In Response!
By wordsworm on 6/25/2007 11:17:58 PM , Rating: 2
I bet if they bundled PS3 with some munchies it could appeal to more than just drunks.


removed the emotion engine?
By shamgar03 on 6/21/2007 11:05:35 AM , Rating: 2
Umm, the emotion engine is like 4-5 years old, that chip can't cost more than 5$ to produce, at the cost of perfect compatibility...




By geddarkstorm on 6/21/2007 12:11:56 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, seems silly that they did that to me too, and kinda screws with the costumers :/


Meh
By Some1ne on 6/21/2007 4:21:26 PM , Rating: 2
I'm still happy with my Wii.




RE: Meh
By Lemonjellow on 6/22/2007 3:02:15 AM , Rating: 2
Mii too...

As your normal everyday, hasn't had his own console since NES hit shelves, consumer I got me a Wii because it was cheap, it looked like a whole hell of a lot of fun on the commercials (which it is), and I really didn't care all that much whether the graphics were sub-par or not...
i.e., just because it's a dot bouncing between two lines doesn't make old school Pong any less fun now than it was back in the stone age... Thus not so great graphics on the Wii doesn't make bowling out of the box 20 minutes after I got it home any less attractive...

Best of all it's something my 57 year old father and even my mother are willing to do because the whole novelty of the controllers... So the Wii can function on a family level or on an I'm drunk lets do something while we eat pizza level like my buddies old college apartment (we had apartments not dorms) N64 (all about skipping classes for Mario Tennis tournaments, hence the rise in my GPA when he moved off campus) did back in the day even though it was sitting next to the relatively unused PS2...

All in all my point and take on it is that consoles like the PS2 and 3 and Xbox and 360 require more learning, thought, and time than my attention span post 8 hours of work can handle... Every time I've sat down to play on any of them I've just gotten bored and walked away after 20 minutes...
Maybe I just haven't found the right games for them, but 600$ to find out whether or not there's one I will like just isn't in my budget...

**Yeah, apologies for rambling, I wrote this while getting ready for work, and as I stated, short attention span...**


To buy or not to buy...that is the question.
By jasnjac on 6/25/2007 2:35:28 PM , Rating: 2
Okay, seems to be a lot of knowledge on here, so please allow me to pose a question.

I'm a tech-guy, like my toys, got all the HD "stuff," etc. etc. I'm banging the heck outta my 360, got all the toys with it, including HD-DVD, which I dig. Given, it's a noisy bugger, but I like my setup, like the games, like the HD stuff, etc. I'm one of the lucky ones in that my 360 or any of the stuff that goes along with have never given me any issues.

So, here recently I have this unbelievable itch to go pick up the PS3. It would be a stretch, but I'm thinking really hard about it.

What do you guys think? If the means is there, is it stupid to own both? or just go for it?

Thanks for the input.




By tkSteveFOX on 6/28/2007 3:44:34 AM , Rating: 2
Everybody talks about a PS3 price drop.Now if Nintendo are smart by the end of the year they will drop the Wii price to 199$ and call it game over for Sony then.If they make this move there will be no stoping them.


150 GAMES?!?!?!!
By shortylickens on 6/26/2007 8:59:00 PM , Rating: 2
My dimpled butt!

I have seen around 30 different games available, between the blockbusters and the walmarts and the best buys there just isnt that much variety. I might even be willing to stretch it to 40 but thats about the max.
Is Sony completely full of crap or did they also count the PS2 games that can run on the PS3?




RE: 150 GAMES?!?!?!!
By Choppedliver on 6/26/2007 11:26:28 PM , Rating: 2
You know I hear all these people talking about how powerful the Playstation is, bla bla, but whatever happened to memory bandwidth problem? A fast processor is useless if the system isnt designed well

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32...


By Ravenlore on 6/21/2007 12:17:05 PM , Rating: 3
First the base of PS2 has not bought a next gen console, and many people have yet to get into HD. In addition, the GAMES Are NOT DIFFERENT from last GEN!!!! Sure the graphics are better but play any game and it fells like a Xbox or PS2 game. This gen is just a refinement of last gen. a major shift like that from 8-16bit and 2D-3D has not come!!

Still, Sony needs 3 THINGS to get the lead

1. Games that ARE next gen. Sony needs to work on getting libraries out to developers, and needs to work on more powerful tools, and get people accustomed to programming for PS3. They need to work on: AI, Voice recognition, voice synthesis so charters can speak and no more long reading of dialog. NPC emotions that can vary to situations, body movement/abilities (climb tree, jump through window... many abilities can aid a game become different. Also PS3 has motion control, and Sony needs to show other developers how it can be included in gameplay, as well as the eyetoy or eye!!

2. Online, PC, and multiplayer games!! Sony HOME is a great Idea. they should broaden it to include being able to look like your charter from the games you play. I am sure they will add it in later as a costume which will be great. But they need to look at the successful PS market and bring many TOP NOTCH games like WOW, Starcraft 1&2, Half-life 1&2, and some RTS games, and NOT the average PC games. Also, add many console games: sega mastersystem, Genesis, Neo-Geo, TG16, C64,... to the arcade system, and be able to transfer the games to PSP.

3. Price drop and revision. The price has never been confirmed and letting people speculate that the PS3 is worth $800 while it only cost 670 to build is a great way to get people to buy while losing less per console. In addition you can come up with a revision and sell it for less later on. The ten year plan is very doable as PS2 has shown. I do not think that the next gen console will sell well with again better graphics as the main draw!! THUS as the PS2 has shown AGAIN!! The losses can be made up at the end, even more so with a longer selling period.

All the components parts will drop in price, the problems with the cell will diminish and chip counts per wafer will grow, move to 65nm will increase number per wafer and less heat and parts to lessen heat as well as a move from internal to external battery, and the price drop of Blu-Ray

In the end, the PS3 will sell greatly as those who have a PS2 move into HD, and upgrade their console and TV.




PS3 game library
By wallijonn on 6/21/2007 1:12:36 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
There are currently roughly 150 games available for the PS3 platform, but Sony plans for at least 380 new games to hit store shelves during the current fiscal year.


Kids, don't do drugs. This is what happens.

He must mean worldwide total, the Americas, Europe and the Asian Rim. Because there is no way that there are 150 PS3 games in America. I highly doubt that Europe has that many. So there must be about 125 games available in Japan, games that aren't the same but with different localisations. If they are the same games but with different languages, does that really make them different games?




It's simple
By Regs on 6/21/2007 8:56:39 AM , Rating: 2
It costs 600 dollars (-1 penny). 3.9-8% sales tax. So 600 dollars is, at least in NJ, that is an extra 30 dollars.

How much per game? 60 dollars? No thank you.




Uh huh
By greenchasch on 6/21/2007 11:19:20 AM , Rating: 2
380 new games? I'll believe it when I see it.




380?
By MDme on 6/21/2007 12:47:26 PM , Rating: 2
where did they pull that from? 150 current games? Unless Sony shows the links to those 150 (and 380 games) I'd take this comment with a GIANT grain of salt. Sony is claiming too much again. They haven't learned at all. Hope the public doesn't get fooled again.

(maybe they're counting all the pS1/ps2 games they'll still have to emulate, or those old arcade ports)




bad News
By mrdeezus on 6/21/2007 5:44:04 PM , Rating: 2
2 things that hurt the PS3:

Price and no exclusive game titles. The ps1 and 2 were runaway hits because of their exclusive games and price then was not an issue. But when a consumer can save money and play the title he wants then price is an issue.




Wii2 real next gen winner
By Adsski on 6/22/2007 4:21:09 AM , Rating: 2
Ok, so this is pure speculation on my part but I have a feeling the nintendo boys are still gonna win the next generation, but with the Wii2 in a couple of years.

Let's be honest before the Wii lauched there was a lot of commentary that it would be a flop. Nintendo were taking a big risk with the wiimote / nunchuck control mechanism and so decided to mate this with hardware that they could make at a profit and cheaply engineer games for. From what i've read the Wii hardware / SDK are direct evolutions from the GC only twice as powerful etc etc.

Now heres the interesting bit, so were sold on the wiimote and the game play mechanism. Now Nintendo can increase the horsepower in a couple of years with the Wii2 but also take full advantage of other advances. It's new processors will likely be on 45nm (IBM power pc dual g5 maybe), GPU also on 45nm but I suspect with horepower akin to todays 8600gt / hd2600xt and easily able to do 720p / 1080i resolution (i'm not expecting the HDTV standards to change by then!). Add to this that by then blue laser diodes will be cheap as chips and it'll also have a next gen drive. It'll run with minimal increased power requirements, still be tiny and hopefully still $250. And backwards compatible with Wii1 and GC and VC games. who knows they may even give the next gen drive movie playback facilities! I think then we'll have our winner.

Just my thoughts




Not in U.S.
Holy Flame-War Batman!
By enlil242 on 6/23/2007 10:36:44 AM , Rating: 2
<EOM>




Finally...
By daBKLYNdoorman on 6/23/2007 7:15:15 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
There are currently roughly 150 games available for the PS3 platform, but Sony plans for at least 380 new games to hit store shelves during the current fiscal year.


I don't think there are 150 games out for the PS3 right now. And if there are, then at least 100 of them are the ones that people don't buy or don't care about.

But still, its a relief to hear Sony saying that it will release 380 new games this year. I just hope that they aren't crap like half of the PS3 games out right now. However, after checking Gamespot's list of upcoming PS3 games, I saw some cool ones like Unreal Tournament and Fifa 08.

Now if they could only lower the price a bit for all you people that don't have a PS3 yet.




By crystal clear on 6/23/2007 10:56:57 PM , Rating: 2
"380 new games coming for the PS3 this fiscal year"

The following is reported by Reuters-

During an interview with the Nikkei Business Daily, Kazuo Hirai (Chairman and Group CEO of Sony) let it be known that Sony is well aware of the criticism that the system has too few games in which to woo gamers with. Not only that, but also that Sony is going to counter this with a renewed vigor -- by working with software publishers on all aspects of marketing games. How many of said games, you ask? Expect to see around 200 software titles and 180 download-only titles to be released for the PS3 by next March.

But a SCEA spokesman was quick to set the record straight.
Hirai was citing international figures, so the correct number of first-party games announced for 2007 is more down the lines of 15.





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