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Sony looks to include first-party titles in its E-Distrubition strategy

Sony is claiming that it has another trump card for its PlayStation 3 when compared to the XBOX 360. Sony is committed to distributing games digitally through its E-Distribution Initiative including first-party games. "Our first party projects are all unique to PS3. Some of our games, by virtue of their design and hardware demands, simply couldn't work on Xbox 360," said SCEA Santa Monica director of external production John Hight. Microsoft's XBOX Live Arcade, on the other hand, has been mainly limited to third-party efforts and classic titles.

Sony is looking to a digital distribution model for a wide variety of games to help curtail inventory risk, game cost and piracy in the gaming industry. In this essence, Sony envisions a system that sounds quite similar to Valve's Steam. The move would also help to starve off used game sales which Sony isn't too keen on in the first place. Gamasutra reports:

Hight confirmed that Sony is firmly committed to developing games for digital distribution within its own first-party studios - unlike Microsoft, which has focused mainly on looking to third parties to supply games for Xbox Live Arcade. According to Hight, Sony will "fund development for first party games, and we are open to self-funded games."

Whether Microsoft will feel compelled to respond with its own first-party efforts on XBOX Live Arcade remains a mystery. The boys in Redmond will likely just sit back and see how Sony fares once the PS3 is released.



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By Fenixgoon on 7/7/2006 11:44:17 AM , Rating: 3
Let's assume that Sony puts blu-ray to good use. In that case, we have discs with 25gigs full of info. Regardless of how large the PS3's HDD may be, we'd only be able to fit a few games on there (60 gig drive right? So that's 2x25, 3x20, or 4x15, etc.). And I bet that Sony will charge the same price for a download as for the BD-disc, case, etc. The hole just keeps getting deeper and deeper...




By CrackRabbit on 7/7/2006 11:53:19 AM , Rating: 2
Not to mention the time that it would take to download something like that. Plus can you imagine the the havok that would be caused when a highy anticipated game is released?


By Darkcobra007 on 7/7/2006 12:27:34 PM , Rating: 2
My thoughts exactly. Some games are in the gigs when it comes to capacity and they're only getting bigger. Nothing would suck more than to spend hours downloading a game that huge only to find out a crucial file was received corrupted thus causing some goofy glitch later on in the game. I really don't see any games getting close to filling the max capacity of a Blu-Ray disc (not any time soon at least) but I wouldn't want to download something that huge at the current speed of the internet.


By rrsurfer1 on 7/7/2006 11:53:45 AM , Rating: 2
Except that games won't take advantage of the large capacity of blu-ray disks for a very long time, which this statement by Sony furthur reinforces. Blu-Ray is being included strictly to drive adoption of the standard by movie producers, and nothing else. I very much doubt the first few generations of games will use even the capacity of a dual-layer DVD.


By epsilonparadox on 7/7/2006 11:55:57 AM , Rating: 2
Sony's not going to release BD-quality games over its network, at least not in the US where broadband isn't that fast. Its going to be a casual game network like XLA, with game size similar to bejeweled. Also Sony claims that you can replace the drive with any other SATA drive in the market, so you shouldn't be limited to the initial 60 gigs. Sony's pricing is another matter altogether. Probably sony will charge more because you're playing a prized sony developed game and even though it plays like tetris, its sony so it better and therefore requires a higher price.


By epsilonparadox on 7/7/2006 12:37:40 PM , Rating: 2
When Steam or any other digital distribution system start release double-digit gigabyte games, the current broadband state of the US will create a lot of frustration among users. If it takes me 30 min to download 1GB, I wouldn't want to spend 15 to 25 hours to download one blu-ray quality game assuming the game sizes are around 30GB to 50GB.


By MercenaryForHire on 7/7/2006 1:11:43 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
i suspect the majority of people won't replace a thing.


Never mind that it's yet another added cost on top of an increasingly expensive hobby.

(Attempt to reply to FenixGoon - DT's comment system is still busted, I see.)

- M4H


By masher2 (blog) on 7/8/2006 10:13:47 AM , Rating: 1
> "(Attempt to reply to FenixGoon - DT's comment system is still busted, I see.)"

Not busted...just a minor, albeit annoying, bug. Links are sent client-side..but server-side they are apparently updated whenever others make additional posts. Refresh the source page right before you respond, and the problem will disappear.


By Decaydence on 7/7/2006 9:38:38 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
15 to 25 hours to download one blu-ray quality game assuming the game sizes are around 30GB to 50GB


This isn't necessarily a rebut to this particular poster, I just use this line as an example of other lines in this thread like it. Many of you are assuming that games of blu-ray is anything more than a marketing ploy by Sony. Most games released for ps3 will also be on x360. Meaning most will be under 9 gigs.

The next generation of games do not require more than dvd-9. Even if a publisher wanted to just throw a rediculous amount of extra garbage and build the entire thing without any optimization at all, they could still get away with two dvd-9's, which would be much less expensive than a single Bluray disc. If Sony expects the consumer to pick up the extra cost of putting a game on a disc that is much more expensive when a cheaper alternative will work fine, they are in for a rude awakening. If they match the price of x360 games though, then the only concern they will have is the rediculous price of the console due to the bluray drive inclusion. It's funny that Sony is demanding their gaming customers to partially subsidize their new format.

So assuming they allowed the download of full retail games, they would still be about 6 gig downloads on average. With that said, it appears this service will be for smaller games, kind of like live does now.


By Fenixgoon on 7/7/2006 12:15:28 PM , Rating: 2
same deal with the xbox - you can place a different HDD in there. plus, how many ps3/xbox owners will replace the hdd? many are enthusiasts who mod, but i suspect the majority of people won't replace a thing.


By epsilonparadox on 7/7/2006 12:28:20 PM , Rating: 2
on the xbox 360, you can't just swap to 20GB hdd with a bigger one. If that was the case, people wouldn't be complaining about the 13GB thats available to the user. The majority of modders of the original xbox replaced the 8GB hdd with a much bigger hdd because of the lack of space. I would be the first to jump of replacement of the hdd if it were an option on the 360 but you need MS's proprietory OS for the hdd.


By IMPoor on 7/7/2006 1:08:33 PM , Rating: 3
what about the manuals. Some games you don't need them but others games require them to figure out whats going on. I geuss they could publish PDF files for us. Besides bandwidth the other problem of size of hard drive is a big deal. If sony is going to do this they would need to allow you to burn it to disc or have an option to get a BD sent to you for a few dollars more. I have a sneaking suspicion that sony will actually charge the same price if not more to download the game as it would cost to just go buy it. this is common in movie downloads online. If they don't make it cheaper then what is the point. Just to get at midnight when the stores are closed? I'll just wait until the morning and buy it at my local retail store. And if they are sold out everywhere I wait a few days longer. Or if the game means that much to me I will pre-order it since most stores offer this service.

So how is this a trump card? I will most likely not buy a PS3. I did not get a 360 yet either. I have decide to stick to PC for a while and see which one looks better next year.


By One43637 on 7/10/2006 1:22:42 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
by Fenixgoon on July 7, 2006 at 12:15 PM

same deal with the xbox - you can place a different HDD in there. plus, how many ps3/xbox owners will replace the hdd? many are enthusiasts who mod, but i suspect the majority of people won't replace a thing.


well considering that right after i started up my 360, i only had like 13GB because of all the extra garbage they put on there. if MS makes a deal with HD manufacturer and markets it, i'm sure there will be a lot of people out there that would upgrade from that puny 20GB HD after a few short months of downloading demos and content.


By Visual on 7/7/2006 10:54:46 PM , Rating: 2
how about sony surprises everyone on launch, making the more expencive model have a BD recorder instead of just reader drive, letting you burn whatever you downloaded? now that would rock. won't happen in a million years though :/

atleast the problem with not being able to take your game to a friends house without the whole console can be easily fixed - if they wanted to. take just the hdd. they can make downloaded copies limited to two or more machines instead of just one. they could even make it so you can play on your machine offline anytime, and allow any other machine if its online and it does a call-home to verify that particular copy isn't mass-copied. how harsh they'd set the limits is an interesting question here.

the problem with losing all your downloaded stuff when you break or change your ps3 wont be there if they keep track of all you've bought and allow you to redownload it - on a different machine, after some verification that the old one (or its hdd content anyway) was trashed.


Replace Console?
By Slaimus on 7/7/2006 2:19:17 PM , Rating: 2
People that I know of that own a PS2 are mostly on their 2nd unit already. If they have to replace their PS3, wouldn't that mean they need to buy their downloaded games again?




RE: Replace Console?
By CKDragon on 7/7/2006 2:55:37 PM , Rating: 2
I'd imagine that games will be linked to a user account of some type. Obviously this is only what I've come up with in my mind, but I think it would make sense.

Of course, Sony has made so little sense while managing to alienate all but their most loyal fans during the buildup to the PS3 that who knows what they'll actually do...


RE: Replace Console?
By Fenixgoon on 7/7/2006 4:04:27 PM , Rating: 3
steam has turned out very well, now that valve has fixed some things *cough* friends list *cough*

another problem - sony has NO backbone for their internet infrastructure. MS was doing TONS to build up for XBL well before the original xbox was released. sony has yet to do much (unless no one has reported it) and currently leaves online gameplay to the devs as opposed to having something akin to XBL.


RE: Replace Console?
By animedude on 7/7/2006 5:24:52 PM , Rating: 2
Does EQ2 sounds familiar to you? I know EQ2 server is a lot smaller but it gives them experience.


RE: Replace Console?
By Xavian on 7/8/2006 3:11:40 PM , Rating: 2
EQ2 is via SOE, a completely different sub-company from SCEA, i would be VERY surprised if two sub-companies worked together in this project. I mean look at the rootkit fiasco, different sub-companies didn't know what the other sub-companies were doing. I dont expect any less from SCEA and SOE.


RE: Replace Console?
By Decaydence on 7/7/2006 9:47:27 PM , Rating: 2
What a good time it will be to replace your 600 dollar console, heh. My ps2 (bought midnight the day it was released) was screwed up the second I plugged it in. Every model in every game screwed up periodically. They would kind of "flicker" every 2 minutes or so. Like their shapes would distort quickly. Did anyone else have this problem?

Anyway, long story short, Sony sucks.


starve
By lemmy on 7/7/2006 11:34:36 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The move would also help to starve off used game sales


should be stave?




RE: starve
By vijay333 on 7/7/2006 11:37:53 AM , Rating: 3
does it really matter? the intent of the sentence is clear...

these grammatical and spelling "correction" posts are actually more annoying than the original mistakes themselves. unless a news article is rendered unreadable by a mistake, just let it be...


RE: starve
By Exodus220 on 7/7/06, Rating: 0
RE: starve
By masher2 (blog) on 7/7/2006 11:54:19 AM , Rating: 2
> "There are some of us that detest reading grammatical or spelling errors in articles and it would be nice to read news without those errors..."

When serious errors are actually pointed out, true. In this particular case, "starve off" is arguably more correct than the suggested substitute.


RE: starve
By Knish on 7/7/2006 11:55:11 AM , Rating: 1
Yeah no kidding, either word would have worked.


RE: starve
By proamerica on 7/7/06, Rating: 0
RE: starve
By vijay333 on 7/7/06, Rating: 0
RE: starve
By MercenaryForHire on 7/7/06, Rating: -1
RE: starve
By epsilonparadox on 7/7/06, Rating: -1
RE: starve
By Plasmoid on 7/7/06, Rating: -1
RE: starve
By Exodus220 on 7/7/06, Rating: -1
RE: starve
By UsernameX on 7/7/2006 3:08:44 PM , Rating: 2
Honestly when it comes to grammatical errors in news reports, why is it such a big deal? Ok if it's as bad as to make the statement ambiguous or unreadable, then I can agree. But if it's a misplaced period or misspelled word, but you can still understand the gist of the statement, why have a cow? Do you guys pay to read dailytech? Oh no? Then stop complaining.


RE: starve
By PrinceGaz on 7/7/06, Rating: -1
RE: starve
By masher2 (blog) on 7/7/2006 11:33:26 PM , Rating: 2
> "I honestly would like to know how the f*ck "starve" is more appropriate than "stave" in this sentence?? "

Quite simply. "Stave", while correct, connotes an active repelling of an exterior agent. "Starve"-- used in the sense of "depriving of sustenance"-- connotes a slower, more passive approach.

If Sony begins shipping games in online format, the used game market will indeed slowly be starved off. The usage is correct.


RE: starve
By EidolWays on 7/10/2006 11:39:52 AM , Rating: 2
While proper grammar and spelling may not be the holy grail of writing that it used to be (I blame the decrease in reading of works written by classical authors), it should nevertheless be striven for in an article such as this, if only for the pursuit of professionalism.

That said, "starve off" is not correct. "stave off" is the correct construction, and it does mean to "prevent before occurring" or to "fend off". However, as masher2 points out, restricting the presence of game discs on the market would not be so much fending off the sale of used games as it would be depriving it of sustenance. After all, some game discs will still be released. Therefore, it would be starving the market. Nothing is ever "starved off". It is merely "starved".

It could be said, though, that by switching solely to networked distribution, Sony is try to stymie the sale of used games altogether, in which case it could be said that they are trying to "stave off the sale of used games".

Either "stave off" or "starve" is correct, but "starve off" is not.


RE: starve
By rykerabel on 7/10/2006 5:30:57 PM , Rating: 2
I agree. Better yet, this was the most amusing post I've read all day. LOL


Xbox Live Arcade
By epsilonparadox on 7/7/2006 11:35:26 AM , Rating: 3
So while MS is helping small developers out by publishing their games in XLA and bringing back games from the past that made the industry so enjoyable, Sony's going to snub them for the most part and develop internally. I don't get how this is a better service.




RE: Xbox Live Arcade
By vijay333 on 7/7/2006 11:40:04 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
we are open to self-funded games

I don't think Sony is ruling out 3rd party developers releasing their own games via this service...they're simply stating that their own studios will be doing this too unlike MSFT's.


RE: Xbox Live Arcade
By Plasmoid on 7/7/2006 2:01:57 PM , Rating: 2
Nice of microsoft to let capcom put Street Fighter II on Arcade for a price... really helped them out, yet odd that microsoft never made Street Fighter 2 aniversary edition backwards compatible on the 360.

Now thats what i call helping out "small" developers!


RE: Xbox Live Arcade
By epsilonparadox on 7/7/2006 2:07:33 PM , Rating: 2
yes because capcom is a small developer. BC isn't a priority of MS, if it was Mech Assault would also have been on that list since it launched with XBL and set stage for other games to follow.


RE: Xbox Live Arcade
By jkostans on 7/9/2006 11:33:59 AM , Rating: 1
"Some of our games, by virtue of their design and hardware demands, simply couldn't work on Xbox 360"

What a bunch of rubbish


Well there goes that idea...
By segagenesis on 7/7/2006 11:40:28 AM , Rating: 1
I wasnt going to buy a PS3 anyways, but this is just another reason to add to my list of why I wont. I'll make it simple, I just really dislike the new model of where you are in essense renting games/movies that you are buying outright. Fair use goes out the window or the fact you really owned anything to begin with.

I'm asenine on the subject because there are too many social problems in my view. As the news states, gone will be the days of used games but on top of that what about taking your game disc to a friends house or vice versa? Were going to have to start lugging our computers or consoles with us instead of a couple of DVDs because were only allowed to play/use content on those machines? Great way to reward those who actually pay for stuff these days by putting more shackles on the legal content than the illegal content. Next thing I know in 5 years I will have to give my fingerprint on a biometric reader and a DNA sample just to start windows while my next door neighbour is running a pirate copy no problem. (Do you really think its that far fetched these days? Maybe I watched too much Gattaca...)

I might be a bit more lenient on Nintendo's concept of a few dollars per retro games since its not that big of a loss if stuff breaks...




RE: Well there goes that idea...
By ElJefe69 on 7/8/06, Rating: 0
RE: Well there goes that idea...
By Xavian on 7/8/2006 3:04:25 PM , Rating: 2
its pretty simple, if the PS3 breaks (and it will cause the playstations are not known for build quality), you lose all those nice games that were stored on the HDD, since the games are tied to THAT machine and not your new one, you cant simply take out the HDD and put it in the new PS3.

Fair use rights go out the window in this scenario, that is what he is explaining here. Nintendo's system of up to $8 per game is far far less of a risk not to mention that Nintendo's systems have incredible build quality.

To put it simply i dont like this one bit and i agree with the OP, it is yet another reason why i wont buy a PS3.


RE: Well there goes that idea...
By One43637 on 7/10/2006 1:15:07 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
by Xavian on July 8, 2006 at 3:04 PM

its pretty simple, if the PS3 breaks (and it will cause the playstations are not known for build quality), you lose all those nice games that were stored on the HDD, since the games are tied to THAT machine and not your new one, you cant simply take out the HDD and put it in the new PS3.


or you could presume that they would do the logical thing of keeping track of the games you bought on say... a website that the internal browser can check, and download the games back on to your new/refurbed PS3. your account name would be tied to your billing address so i don't think there's an easy way of distributing online content by sharing accounts.

i'm sure they wouldn't leave out a detail like this if they're marketing a digital distribution method for their software.


RE: Well there goes that idea...
By Trisped on 7/10/2006 3:17:43 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, the will probably have a way to recover you games, but there is the fact that Sony is pushing the BR disks, so you can expect games to be in the 4-25GB area, which takes a long time to download. Plus, only your account would own the game, so you couldn't take it over to a friends house without re-downloading or taking your whole system with you. Plus, friends like to borrow games and they can't do this with the new Sony idea. You also have the issue of limited hard drive space. The $500 version only has 20GB of space, so you are talking about 5 games before you run out of space, and that isn't including the additional stuff you will be downloading.

As always Sony is making up a new system in an attempt to distance its self from the competition, but just ends up making something over priced and convoluted.


This just plan sucks
By nerdboy on 7/7/2006 12:58:58 PM , Rating: 2
I mean sony keeps inventing ways to stop people from copying this and copying that but in the end people on the other end go how am i gonig to get by this. Like the windows valadation software there is no point. people are going to want to pirate things and there is going to be nothing to stop them. All sony is really doing is hurting the people that actually by there stuff. i mean you go out and by cd well now theres is a license agreement and software you have to install, which forces the windows to use the agreement on that music. You can only transfer you music 1 or two times legally.

Steam is a program that really pisses me off because in order to play a game i just paid 50 dollers for i need to have a internet connection. same with activating windows.
and my spelling is probably bad but i don't care.




RE: This just plan sucks
By animedude on 7/7/2006 5:20:44 PM , Rating: 2
If PS3 can play pirated games, then it is free marketing for Sony. Once PS3 becomes mainstream, then we all be using Blu-ray. Not to mention game developers will be releasing PS3 version first.


RE: This just plan sucks
By Johnmcl7 on 7/9/2006 11:20:05 AM , Rating: 2
You don't need an internet connection to activate Windows, you can do it over the phone.

John


No used games?
By fishbits on 7/7/2006 3:40:36 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
The move would also help to starve off used game sales which Sony isn't too keen on in the first place.
The ability to buy used games convinced me to buy a PS2 (same applies for other consoles). After I bought the PS2, I also bought some brand new games over time. Now I'm less likely to buy a PS3, and so wouldn't be buying new PS3 games. So I'll buy an Xbox 360 (Wii too), buy new and used 360 games, but Sony will "make more" by making sure I don't have the used game option. Brilliant logic.




RE: No used games?
By Newspaper Crane on 7/9/2006 12:48:07 AM , Rating: 2
It would be nice if sony came up with some system to buy and sell the rights to a game, but of course they won't do that.

Maybe it's a little bit early to be thinking of this, but there can't really be much backwards compatiabiliy with these games. I mean, I do play a lot of my playstation one games, on my Playstation Two, and I think that I would like to play the playstation Three games that I purchased, on my Playstation Four (or whatever sony decides to call it).


By CBone on 7/8/2006 1:10:56 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
"Our first party projects are all unique to PS3. Some of our games, by virtue of their design and hardware demands, simply couldn't work on Xbox 360,"


You mean I shouldn't expect Sony to port God of War to the 360 or Wii? Really? You lie!
Did they really need to say this? How stupid. They sound like a 6 year old.

What is the point? Every time Sony says any dumbass thing about the PS3, it's all over the news. Every comment is basically a "we have that too, but better." The shit is sad. I can't wait to see how disappointed everyone is when Sony's "free online" turns out to be a crock of shit. If anyone expects Sony to give away Xbox Live level online for free, you are fucking retarded.




By Orpheus333 on 7/8/2006 11:12:44 PM , Rating: 2
I would like to add to that and say...

Its terrifying to think that "services" like steam are gaining...steam. I would rather jam a scissors into my urethra than use steam. The last thing I need in my life is more steam. Just thinking about it gets me steaming.

Furthermore- what happens when your HDD fails? you lose your game library? or does sony keep track? A friend of mine tried to go "legit" with his music and bought it off itunes... Which was great until his HDD fried and had no music and nothing to show for it.


By piroroadkill on 7/10/2006 6:26:43 AM , Rating: 2
Toxx Clause time, baby!

If you have Steam installed, and use it, you have to uninstall it now or jam scissors in your urethra.


Couldn't Microsoft
By creathir on 7/7/2006 1:15:50 PM , Rating: 2
just do the same?
Maybe I am not following, but all this is is Sony saying "we have Live Arcade too.... but better because PS3 is better!"

They sound like 5 year old kids...

- Creathir




RE: Couldn't Microsoft
By Deception on 7/7/2006 1:37:01 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
just do the same?
Maybe I am not following, but all this is is Sony saying "we have Live Arcade too.... but better because PS3 is better!"

They sound like 5 year old kids...


I think you are misinterpreting. Sony is stating that Microsoft has relied on third-party titles (such as Madden, GRAW, and Ninja Gaiden) to tout its Xbox-Live online features. Sony, on the other hand, looks to exploit many of their first-party titles (God of War comes to mind). While it is bragging, Sony is saying that expect to have more online-capable titles than the Xbox 360.


bandwidth
By michal1980 on 7/7/06, Rating: -1
RE: bandwidth
By MercenaryForHire on 7/7/2006 2:46:48 PM , Rating: 2
Rebuttal:

A) All three of the current generation consoles (Cube, PS2, Xbox) and of course the 360, use DVD as their primary media. I'd say "very few games" don't use a DVD. Even if it's "only a 2GB game" that's the difference between one DVD and 3 CDs.

B) The 360 doesn't download retail games over broadband. Demos yes, but those are smaller. There's also the problem of congestion. I don't have a 360 myself, but from what I've heard, it's no picnic to get a hot new demo on the release night. Dropped connections, slow speeds, etc.

C) Sure, as long as you're not on a metered download service, have a decent download speed, don't plan on doing anything else with your connection, your ISP doesn't filter or throttle the download service ...

Also, deciding you want a game "right now" is pretty common. What if you go over to your friend's house and after playing UberLeetDeathSoldier 3, decide you want to get it so you can play online? Sorry, wait X days for it to download vs. going to the store and playing that night.

And the sheer number of anti-STEAM zealots out there should speak pretty loudly that this won't be received nicely. :P

- M4H


The Sony Blitzkrieg.
By MonkeyPaw on 7/7/2006 4:03:43 PM , Rating: 2
I dunno about following the Steam model. What I like about consoles is the fact that you can just go buy the game and play it, without any need for CDkeys, online registration, game updates/patches, or even internet access. I like the fact that I can easily sell a console game without any question about its authenticity (unlike selling a copy of windows or Half-Life 2), and I like how I can go to a game store and buy a used game for $5-15 less than buying it new. Obviously, Sony doesn't want you to "own" a copy of anything, because they can make more money when you don't. They are trying to get away with this by selling it as a better "experience" than Xbox Live, because otherwise this idea would be a huge failure. The only way to insert DRM into our lives is to offer a better product as a trade off (HD, anyone?).

It looks like the PS3 is going to be the first major DRM device to hit the market. Most PC users have been dreading the adoption of DRM at the platform level, and it still hasn't arrived for either AMD or Intel, MS or Apple. Pair this with the highest cost of the new round of consoles, and the PS3 is going to have an uphill battle from the start. Sony is trying to spin this feature as a good thing by saying it's better than what MS can offer, but I don't see it that way at all. I have no problem buying my games at a store, and at least I have a physical product to show for it. What if your console fails? It's unlikely, but it is possible. There's no way to backup the copy, unless Sony lets you redownload lost items for free. Oh, and I can sell the game or let a friend borrow it whenever I choose.

This better experience Sony is promising better be worth the trade.




RE: The Sony Blitzkrieg.
By PrinceGaz on 7/8/2006 7:43:40 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
What if your console fails? It's unlikely, but it is possible. There's no way to backup the copy, unless Sony lets you redownload lost items for free.


It is far from unlikely. Hard drives don't last for ever and sooner or later the drive in the PS3 will fail. For most of them it will be later especially if you treat the console gently, but there'll be some where the drives fail early either due to rough treatment or just natural failure rate.

I'm assuming Sony will let you redownload everything for free that you have already purchased, but increasingly these days, companies would prefer you rent rather than buy their product so that they can charge you multiple times, and I bet that will apply here.

I'll never buy into any sort of software rental "purchase" for anything. Everything I get will be fully functional on its own. And yes I know that will mean I cannot legally buy certain games such as Half Life 2. That wasn't a problem as I've got a fast internet connection. I'll also avoid other games and media which force a similar non-ownership purchase model on buyers.

There are always other sources which cater for those of us who demand a fully functional standalone copy. If the official distributors choose to discontinue standalone copies, a lot of us will choose to get our copies elsewhere.


WOW
By threepac3 on 7/10/2006 6:01:34 AM , Rating: 1
Oh my god, are some of you guys still stuck on the "used game rumor". This was debunked a while ago yet some of you continue to talk about like its still an issue. Get over it Sony is not locking games to 1 perticular console.

Its hilarious how some of you are making elabrit comments on in issue that doesn't exist.




RE: WOW
By Pythias on 7/10/2006 3:26:33 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Oh my god, are some of you guys still stuck on the "used game rumor". This was debunked a while ago yet some of you continue to talk about like its still an issue. Get over it Sony is not locking games to 1 perticular console.

Its hilarious how some of you are making elabrit comments on in issue that doesn't exist.


If they go to a downloaded content only scheme thet they are definately attempting to choke, stave, starve, rape, molest, deterr, harm, annoy, and various other verbages to the used game scene.

You are correct in stating that there is much speculation. What if our spectulation is correct?


Problems...
By jon1003 on 7/7/2006 12:27:37 PM , Rating: 2
Some problems:
1 Bandwidth
2 Sony's pricing
3 Eliminates cheaper used games.

Does anyone remember that patent sony has on a type of disk, that when first played will be written to with the serial number of the device it is first played in, and this will lock that disk to that device. Kinda lets you see Sony's Ideal Dreamland. When you're bored with the product there's no way to sell it unless you include the system. This makes everyone buy new games (that can afford them). Sony reaps $$$.





By Mrrrrw00t on 7/7/2006 4:01:12 PM , Rating: 2
Lets not forget that the HDD -> Mem read speed is currently 16mb/s ;)

I would be more worried about them actually fixing the console, than how they think it will work once its released, but really - until its more than 16mb/s, biglol.




Sony in 8th
By Decaydence on 7/7/2006 9:52:57 PM , Rating: 2
I hope that, at the end of this console cycle, Sony is in 8th place after Sega returns to the market, Atari releases a console that plays nothing but pong, and the xbox 1, gamecube, and ps2 are all still outselling the ps3, even though their production has been stopped for years. Then to add insult to injury, there is a fear of slipping into 9th when it is announced that the jaguar is going to be re-released with new units.




The right thing to do.....
By crystal clear on 7/8/2006 3:15:55 AM , Rating: 2
"Whether Microsoft will feel compelled to respond with its own first-party efforts on XBOX Live Arcade remains a mystery. The boys in Redmond will likely just sit back and see how Sony fares once the PS3 is released."

MS is on the right track & they know it-they have just got
to keep on going faster faster.MS has the lead that
Sony will barely catch up,leave alone beat MS.
Add to this the PRICE factor-A major deciding faactor.
All this from A Marketing point of View.
From A Consumer point of View-One has to accept the facts
on the ground.INTEL dumping CPUs (old ones) & price cutting
Conroes are slowing showing its effects.This is the best
time(the months ahead)for upgraders.AMD has also joined in
the price war.
Upgrade path being CPU-MOBO-Memory & ofcourse Vista.
The supply of money is limited-so the consumer is very
selective where to put his money/or spend it & how much.
In this context Sony better get its pricing right-the last
thing they can do,TAKE the buyers for granted.They Sony
can expect dirty surprises waiting around the corner.
FIRST & FOREMOST Sony should have PS3 on the shelves really
FAST.
Sony should not make the horrible mistake of going it alone-
The more partners it involves the better it is for the PS3.
Good Luck Sony-the weather is bad for you,plenty of traffic
jams ahead for you & icy/slippery roads waiting for you.
'





Not what consumers want
By 9nails on 7/8/2006 5:31:25 AM , Rating: 2
In this world where you cannot take media back if the package is open, consumers no longer have a satisfaction guarantee that they will enjoy the product. Slicing off the used channel means that consumers cannot recoup the costs of a product that did not satisfy customer’s expectations. Lets not forget that titles are often over-hyped. Also by removing the rental options, Sony limits which games consumers will "test the waters." This would turn the industry into a "cart-before-the-horse" struggle where nobody is willing to take that initial plunge on a title as peer influence is one of the main driving factors in game recommendations.

Sony is known for using _fake critics_ in movie reviews. They are known for using root-kits to track music usage. And their Blu-Ray player has the most restrictive DRM on the market. Now their games will carry the highest price of the three main console systems with no outcome possible to recover the cost if you do not enjoy a title? How are we consumers supposed to trust this company?




more online distrution crap
By Pythias on 7/10/2006 3:18:55 PM , Rating: 2
Wow. I bet ISPs are loving this. This should play quite well with thier "tiered service" schemes.




An Open Letter to Sony
By Xenoid on 7/9/06, Rating: 0
"Vista runs on Atom ... It's just no one uses it". -- Intel CEO Paul Otellini











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