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Sony plans to solve PS3 shortages by May

Sony must know something that the rest of us in United States don't. Apparently there is a shortage of PlayStation 3s around the country and Sony aims to have the problem solved by May of this year.

According to Sony, it will ship 2 million PS3s to North America by the end of next month and will hit its stride by May. "April or May is when we feel like we're going to catch up to demand and have product fully in stock across North America and stay there," said SCEA CEO Jack Tretton. "It's a testament to the fact that we've been able to manufacture and ship units on a greater pace than any previous console."

Tretton continued, "Our goal is to fill shelves across the United States. Our goal is not to have empty shelves, it's to have full shelves. If we have empty shelves, that's one less consumer who could have bought a PlayStation 3."

Despite Tretton's claims, many stores across the U.S. aren't having any problems with PS3 supplies. In fact, many stores appear to have a surplus of PS3s and a complete lack of Nintendo Wiis. But then again, according to SCEA’s Dave Karraker, the Wii is an “impulse buy.”

Tretton already ran into this issue earlier this year when Electronic Gaming Monthly noted that PS3s were rather easy to come by -- even in early January. Tretton famously responded with "If you can find a PS3 anywhere in North America that's been on shelves for more than a few minutes, I'll give you 1,200 bucks for it."

Penny Arcade took up Tretton on his offer and went on a one-hour expedition to locate PS3s in the area. Their total haul according to Tretton's offer price was $13,200. There's still no word as to whether Gabe and Tycho have received their check from Tretton.



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By GoatMonkey on 2/28/2007 6:04:32 AM , Rating: 5
I like the quotes around "shortages". Last time I was in Best Buy there were 6 of them on the shelf, and nobody seemed to care.




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By Supa on 2/28/2007 6:23:28 AM , Rating: 5
Perhaps they meant solving shortage of interest by May??

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By enlil242 on 2/28/2007 7:21:41 AM , Rating: 2
LOL, I was in Best Buy on Monday and they had 30 PS3's. Two stacks of 15 on each side of the games section and I stood around and observed as everyone just walked right on buy ... almost tripping over them. I thought about 2 minutes of getting one, but I wound up going next door and bought a used Rainbow 6: Vegas for my 360 from Disc Replay!


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By Tsuwamono on 2/28/2007 10:47:06 AM , Rating: 3
i can beat that, The best buy i usually go to in Montreal has a Pallet of PS3s... Thats roughly 50-60 PS3s. Just sitting there. What was even more funny was that a kid walked in and ran over to them and said "Hey mom, look they have PS3s!" then turned and picked up a 360 and then went and paid for it lol.

Funniest thing i have ever seen in a PC store. maybe not the funniest... but its up there//


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By NoSoftwarePatents on 2/28/2007 10:56:48 AM , Rating: 2
I can't beat your comment, but I work at a military base, and the local exchange has had three Sony PS/3's (the 20 GByte version) for a full month now.

Sony has a shortage of customers who will cough up all that money...and it's going to be a problem the longer this continues.


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By robber98 on 2/28/2007 1:39:50 PM , Rating: 2
Just curious... How do you know they had that for a full month? They told you that? That's pretty bad for Sony if that's true... :)


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By aos007 on 2/28/2007 12:49:17 PM , Rating: 2
But then, here in Vancouver there are NONE. Sure, every now and then I run into a SINGLE PS3 somewhere, but overall, there is definitely shortage here. I have NEVER seen a PS3 sitting to be picked up in a Future Shop or a Best Buy. I've seen people BUYING them in Future Shop but it was always a backroom deal. So I don't really think that PS3 is in stock everywhere. At least in Canada there is shortage, not surprising since we get less than our fair share (10% of US numbers) so our market is less saturated.


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By oab on 2/28/2007 1:00:45 PM , Rating: 2
Would it not also contribute to the fact that the very high "asian" population in Vancouver would be more likely to purchase a PS3 then an X-Box 360? (at least, based on how the Japanese market works).

Either that, or Vancouver was simply not getting as many PS3s as Toronto and Montreal were.

However, in a somewhat smaller computer chain in Toronto (CompuSmart), they had three PS3s (the "good" edition no less) in the store I went to in stock, and had had them for over a month.


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By aos007 on 2/28/2007 1:19:32 PM , Rating: 2
Very high percentage of asian population here is a good explanation for Vancouver shortages. Tells us a lot about competency of management in nationwide chains - how dumb you have to be not to divert stock to regions where the product is selling well? It doesn't surprise me though, based on seeing how stocks of games were moving over the years I don't know if they even bother estimating demand on a regional basis. It's quite common for them to order too few of the stuff that people want - and too much of stuff they don't. Ah, it's great to have a monopoly - all small software stores were wiped out and now you only have big chains that don't bother estimating on a level that's smaller than the entire country - or perhaps province; there may well be plenty PS3's sitting on shelves in the interior.


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By Hoser McMoose on 2/28/2007 3:37:35 PM , Rating: 2
Vancouver isn't alone, it's pretty much the same story here in Kitchener-Waterloo. I haven't checked much in the past month, but throughout January I was in several stores that theoretically sell the PS3 and never once did I see one in stock.

In fact, just checking bestbuy.ca and futureshop.ca shows that they rarely have any in stock either (currently bestbuy.ca shows 8 for the entire country while, and this might just be a site error, futureshop.ca doesn't even show the PS3 console as being a product at all).

So, long story short, yes there still ARE some real shortages of PS3 hardware, even if it is a bit localized. Of course, it's NOTHING like the shortage for the Wii, which is damn near impossible to find!


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By aos007 on 2/28/2007 4:27:05 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I noticed both of those things today too! Future Shop has completely removed PS3 from their listing, and Best Buy has 8 in stock online. Must be an error on Future Shop site, but it's kind of strange.

Wii, as yoy say, is pretty much a myth in Vancouver. Other than on launch day, I have never seen even one of them. NOT EVEN ONE. Luckily I don't want one.


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By Alpha4 on 2/28/2007 9:56:03 PM , Rating: 2
Heh heh. Kitchener-Waterloo was the last city I expected to see mentioned Hoser. I reside in Kitchener but I've never earnestly searched for a PS3. The Wii is a different story however. I've had no luck hunting one down, but according to a friend of mine Toys R' Us (The fairway road location in our case) gets a new crate of Nintendo Wii's every tuesday morning, so the PS3 might be the same story. I plan on camping the entrance an hour early next tuesday for my Wii. :D In any case its nice to see a local resident surfing DT.


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By bdot on 3/1/2007 11:43:45 AM , Rating: 2
Oakville, Mississauga area, you can find a PS3 easily enough but the Wii is impossible. My boss managed to get a hold of a few Wiis about a month ago, which is the only reason I have one. Otherwise, they are gone before you even here that they are stocked.


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By Nyago123 on 2/28/2007 7:31:27 PM , Rating: 2
Fry's in San Marcos, CA had almost 100 PS3's as of last week. I expect they still have quite a few. I saw 3 at my local Target (Poway). They took about a week to sell out.

Nintendo Wii is still selling out in rapid fashion locally. The Target in Mission Valley (San Diego) had 12 last week and they sold out in under a day.


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By kitf0x on 2/28/2007 9:54:36 AM , Rating: 5
I think they meant shortage of buyers?


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By MrSmurf on 2/28/2007 1:27:21 PM , Rating: 1
haha... that's going on now!


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By hecksign on 3/1/2007 9:37:10 AM , Rating: 2
hahaha... if they meant shortage of buyers, then sony really need Help from buyers and theres nothing they can do except lowering the ps3 price. I can Help them if they lower ps3 price.


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By jtyson on 2/28/07, Rating: 0
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By Rockjock51 on 2/28/2007 8:19:25 PM , Rating: 2
All that time typing for nothing. For all your talk, you'd think maybe you'd at least read the article. Nowhere in the article does it say that Tretton ever talked about a shortage. The title of said article does include a quoted shortage, but as everyone knows... that was to indicate sarcasm. The writer, along with much of the DT community, doesn't believe theres any reason to up the production of the PS3(What would be a primary reason for upping production? You guessed it. Shortage) Why doesn't he believe that? Back to reading... because everyone in America (Yes I exaggerated, post about that next) knows where to find a store with 5-10 maybe even 20-30 PS3s in stock.


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By otispunkmeyer on 3/1/2007 5:14:16 AM , Rating: 2
yeah

you know when you purposely say a word and you put your arms up to about head hight and wave two fingers on each hand as you say the word. thats what "shortages" is here.

its sarcasm

if its a quote dont you use ' ' anyway?


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By BF04 on 2/28/2007 6:26:41 AM , Rating: 5
I dont normally post on dailytech, even though I love the site.

However this is getting ridiculous. Every store I goto from my Super Wal-Mart to Costco has many PS3's that have been their for a while. Whoever is doing Sony's marketing and research is feeding them a ton of $%^&. Im not trying to bash Sony, as I actually like some of that they do. EQ2 live long and prosper :)

But when are they going to figure it out no one wants the PS3 right now. I know 2 people trying to find a Wii and one if my mother-in-law, LOL :)


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By thejez on 2/28/2007 11:26:46 AM , Rating: 5
I think I am starting to figure it out guys... i am putting 2 and 2 together and i think i have this one solved... Remeber Saddam Hussein's Minister of Information (Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf; aka Comic Ali) ?? We never really did hear what happened to him after he got captured... I think trenton is his alias and he is working @ Sony as part of the FBI witness protection program... all the tell-tale signs of obliviouslness to reality are present and who else on earth could be so clueless??? Must be HIM!!

"There is no presence of American infidels in the city of Baghdad." - Comic Ali

"We will solve this shortage of PS3's by May" - Trenton

spooky, i know....


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By The Sword 88 on 2/28/2007 2:01:05 PM , Rating: 2
Dude you're right, that's crazy!


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By TemjinGold on 2/28/2007 6:29:35 AM , Rating: 5
Tretton's right about one thing: If there were empty shelves, that would be one less consumer who could've bought a PS3. :D


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By Lazarus Dark on 2/28/2007 6:30:41 AM , Rating: 2
When I got my wii late january, I had to go to about 30-40 stores (Walmart, target, bestbuy, the usual suspects) and finally had to go to the walmart in the bad part of town in the next county to find one, the only one they had. It wasn't up front on display, they had to bring it from the back. I asked why the wii's where in the back while six ps3's sat in the display case. The answer: the wii's sell so fast there's no point in putting them out; the six ps3's had been there for two weeks-not one had sold since their last shipment. Oh, and as for the other 30 or so stores, they all had at least two ps3's and most had four to six (several seemed rather dusty as well :P). I'm in a city with a million people with another half million in the surrounding area- not a small town and though its very ghetto, there's plenty of people with 600 bucks to spend on a game system if they wanted it.


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By Hypernova on 2/28/2007 6:31:36 AM , Rating: 2
Maybe they are trying to average down the cost of PS3 by economy of scale, problem is they are making an assumption that there's actually a market for PS3 out side of early adopters willing to pay.


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By FITCamaro on 2/28/2007 7:00:20 AM , Rating: 3
PS3 price cut incoming anyone? They'd have to cut the price by $100 for anyone to be even remotely interested in buying one.


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By edge929 on 2/28/2007 10:12:06 AM , Rating: 2
Even if MGS4 and FF13 got "You have to play this or die" reviews, I still wouldn't get one if they lowered the price $100 bucks. I'd consider it at $400 bucks, but would still probably not get one. This coming from a HUGE, life-long Final Fantasy fan, admittedtly former-Sony-lover and a well-paid one at that.


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By Solema on 2/28/2007 10:48:12 AM , Rating: 2
You're obviously not that "huge" of a fan of Final Fantasy, and you've clearly been burned by more than just the price of the console. I'm well-paid, and a huge Final Fantasy fan, and if games like FFXIII and MGS4 are THAT good, I certainly will purchase a PS3.

Fact of the matter is, stripping out all of the stupid comments Sony has made, when you look at the system itself, there is a LOT of tech you get for the money (there's a reason it costs $900 to manufacture). And IF you can afford it AND you really love the games it has, then there's no question you should buy it, regardless of what some Sony people may say.

But right now, in most peoples' minds, including my own, there simply aren't enough really good games (really only Resistance) to compel one to purchase the system.

If that changes in time and Sony starts to build a powerhouse lineup of games like they did with PS2, and you can easily afford it, as a self-professed gamer and "HUGE Final Fantasy fan" it would be stupid not to buy one.

Get a Wii now and enjoy it and check back on Sony's games lineup in 8-12 months.


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By FITCamaro on 2/28/2007 12:11:47 PM , Rating: 2
The problem is that the longer they have crappy sales, the less games developers are going to commit to it. At least with exclusive titles. MGS4 and FFXIII look like they're going to be stunning games, but would you really pay a minimum of $600(console, game, tax) just to play one game? $660 for two? I make a good amount of money a year as well but sorry, spending that kind of money because I want to play one or two games is just stupid. Especially with rumors that MGS is going to the 360 which has Gear of War, Halo 3, the next GTA, and several other big hits either already out or on the way. In addition to that, the 360 I can use to replace my current Xbox and stream video through it. Then if I ever want to, I can get the HD-DVD drive (and since its not built-in there still lies possibilities for a Blu-ray drive) for high def movies. Yes you can run Linux on the PS3 eventually which is enticing (not because I like Linux though) to use it as a seperate PC should my heart desire.

Yes the PS3 is a nice piece of hardware, but its a games console to me first and formost. $600(since you can't really find a 20GB one) for a games console is ridiculous. Especially considering that their last system that also managed to fit in a then new piece of hardware was half the cost and, at the time, was just as advanced. And many others feel the same way. The fact is that the majority of people out there don't have $800-900 to throw away on a games console. The average American makes $30-35,000 a year. Yes that doesn't stop a lot of them from spending beyond their means, but when they see a $250 or $400 system little Johnny would love, and then see a $600 one he'd also love, which do you think they're going to take? I mean this is a world where ever increasing numbers of people would rather buy an inferior product because its cheaper, than spend the extra for quality. So if you have two equally competent high-def games consoles (360 and PS3) with a $200 price difference, which do you think the majority of people are going to buy. Throw the Wii in there too and Sony is in the situation it now faces.

For myself, by the end of this year I'll probably have a 360. The PS3. Well, that will wait until I feel its money well spent. The biggest thing that entices me to it at the moment is being able to throw a large laptop hard drive in it and run it as a media center with some video there on the drive and pull other video from my other PCs drives.


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By Mojo the Monkey on 2/28/2007 12:46:13 PM , Rating: 2
and you forget that all of these "Sony exclusive" developers are jumping ship and developing for the 360 simultaneously (and sometimes 'instead').

Square included.


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By sxr7171 on 2/28/2007 2:15:56 PM , Rating: 3
Disclaimer: I have a PS3 and use it as a Blu-Ray player.

Yeah, and why wouldn't they? Nobody wants to suffer through programming for those 7+1 cores and then only have 1-2 million potential buyers for the game. Xbox 360 apparently has good development kits and has almost 10 million potential buyers for game makers to sell to. Even Hideo Kojima was caught making a comment that he'd like to put making MGS3 on hold just to make a new game for the Wii. People are fooling themselves if they think any 3rd party title will be a Sony exclusive this time around. They might come out first on PS3, but they will be ported to Xbox 360 in short order. It wouldn't even surprise me if the Xbox 360 version had better graphics as it is supposed to really be a lot easier to get results out of and honestly my gut feeling is that the ATI designed GPU is a more intelligently designed GPU that despite being released almost a year earlier than the Nvidia RSX actually can perform better in terms of graphics quality, speed and features like AA and AF without a performance hit. Why is it that games on Sony consoles tend to be so aliased? The PS2 was jaggyfest on 99% of its games and Dreamcast was far better. The PS3 demo games so far have not been up to Gears of War in terms of graphics and I emphasize graphics because Sony likes to tout their systems as being technological marvels, supercomputers and render farms. In terms of content this time they stand no chance. They were lucky enough last time with PS2. They manage to hype their crap up so much that millions of people bought it and game developers had no choice but to suffer through programming for that bitch of a console to develop for. Imagine if Xbox sold 80+ million consoles, you can bet your life that we'd have had much better games because developers could have focused on more things such as AI, level design and innovation. Thankfully, this time that typical Sony overhyping strategy isn't working and it will be better for gaming in general.


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By sxr7171 on 2/28/2007 2:23:12 PM , Rating: 2
Okay, alright the GPU comments are just really my impression after reading a good number of articles about both sytems' GPUs. It seems a good number of authors had concluded that the Xbox 360 GPU was indeed a more usuable GPU especially due to onboard DRAM. I could be wrong, but then again these are the people who designed the PS2 which took a year for a game's graphics to beat the then 3 year old Dreamcast. They love pushing marketing numbers more than any real performance. I will admit though that the unit itself is a well-constructed and designed product. Better than typical mass-market Sony stuff.


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By FITCamaro on 2/28/2007 2:37:37 PM , Rating: 2
A lot of Xbox 360 games look better because they standardized the output resolution for games at 720p. This lets the system have plenty of power to render beautiful scenes with all the details. Then theres the 4x AA performed on every frame thanks to the embedded DRAM and associated hardware.

Sony once again tried to taunt 1080p and as such, some games render at that quality, which its capable of doing but at the cost of the pretty details. I think the prettier games of the PS3 will mainly be rendered at 720p. I'm sure a few developers will manage 1080p with full detail on the PS3 (Square Enix) but those will probably mainly be more slower paced games where less than 30fps isn't noticeable as much. RPGs can stand to go down to 15-20 fps and not get jerky.


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By sxr7171 on 2/28/2007 3:38:37 PM , Rating: 2
Good point, it takes more than twice the rendering power to do 1080p. Still even with the 720p PS3 games it wouldn't hurt to get some AA in there. We'll know for sure when Virtua Tennis hits the 360.


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By JDub02 on 2/28/2007 9:02:26 AM , Rating: 2
Kind of funny, isn't it? I went store hopping yesterday in search of a Wii. I couldn't find one of them. But every store I went into had at least 3 PS3's. So much for a shortage.


RE: Quotes
By semo on 2/28/2007 9:25:56 AM , Rating: 2
"April or May is when we feel like we're going to catch up to demand and have product fully in stock across North America and stay there"
and the stock will stay there indeed. sony need some of their exclusives to finally come out like msg, dmc4 and the not so exclusive gta:5-or-something


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By Narutoyasha76 on 2/28/2007 9:58:49 AM , Rating: 1
What Beavis and ButtHead would say:

Butthead: "aahhh...huh huh huh!! He said shortage."
Beavis: "yeah yeah...shortage...cornholiooo!!!."

I got my PS3 on December 13, 2006 at 6pm at the local Gamestop. My Xbox360 on Costco on February 2006 was a little more difficult to find, and had to wait in line since 7am on a december sunday at BestBuy for the Wii (it was the more dificult console to find). All three have something of interest, hope PS3 RPG's rock!!! Xenosaga (maybe) and the next Final Fantasy. Halo 3 will definately rock on the 360 and Super Mario Galaxy will be very very interesting and fun. (hope God of War comes out for the PS3).


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By walk2k on 2/28/07, Rating: 0
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By Jammrock on 2/28/2007 3:07:40 PM , Rating: 2
My local Costco has nearly 40 in stock.


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By Jammrock on 2/28/2007 3:09:25 PM , Rating: 2
My local Costco has nearly 40 in stock. They had a few Xbox 360, no Wii's, plenty of PSPs and DS Lites. They had a handful of PS2s too.


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By Perium on 2/28/2007 4:18:17 PM , Rating: 2
Last time I was in Wal-mart they had 5 on the shelves..


Fanboys
By veloxletalis on 2/28/07, Rating: 0
RE: Fanboys
By gramboh on 2/28/2007 12:40:15 PM , Rating: 2
It doesn't matter how bad XBL was at launch, what matters is that Microsoft started development early and has a very refined product with tons of support. The experience of XBL today is superior to Sony and that is all that matters.

Sony's interface is ok, what remains to be seen is developer support. As Sony seems to be passing the buck to developers, I doubt there will be as rich online content for PS3. Sony will eventually realize this and move to a fee based system (surprised they were able to resist an additional revenue stream upfront).


RE: Fanboys
By veloxletalis on 2/28/2007 1:47:24 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
It doesn't matter how bad XBL was at launch, what matters is that Microsoft started development early and has a very refined product with tons of support. The experience of XBL today is superior to Sony and that is all that matters.


Sorry you misunderstood, what matters is that when XBL started out, it was mediocre, Sonys service has just come out, give it time and it will be better than current XBL. Most games are already lag free, which is amazing for a free service.

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Don't forget that PS3 neglected to include any sort of HD cables, so for that, you'll have to fork like $15 to $20 for good quality HDMI cable.


Forgive me if I'm mistaken but when the 360 first came out it didn't come with HDMI cables either.

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You seem to be forgetting that xbox 360 doesn't force you to have any sort of HD-DVD player.


thats the difference between the 360 and the PS3, MS promised an amazing gaming system, which is what we got.
Sony promised not just a gaming system, but a multimedia system, which is what we got.
Many people say that Sony was stupid because people wont pay $500 for a game system. Its not just a gaming system, Sony never promised us JUST a gaming system, people need to stop assuming things that they imagine and then blame it on the company for not delivering what they never said they were going to deliver.


RE: Fanboys
By SmokeRngs on 2/28/2007 4:49:35 PM , Rating: 2
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Sony promised not just a gaming system, but a multimedia system, which is what we got.
Many people say that Sony was stupid because people wont pay $500 for a game system. Its not just a gaming system, Sony never promised us JUST a gaming system, people need to stop assuming things that they imagine and then blame it on the company for not delivering what they never said they were going to deliver.


It has nothing to do with having more than a gaming system. Most people want it as a gaming system only. Anything else is secondary and having to pay a higher price because it's more than a gaming system turns people off that only want a gaming system. It's not a value if you're paying for something you don't want or need which is not directly related to the reason for buying something.

The Playstation and PS2 were gaming systems and nothing more. The PS3 is the third generation and people rightfully expect it to be a gaming system. However, there is extra cost added to their gaming system due to the "extra features" that have nothing to do with gaming.

Simply put, the PS3 was touted as more than a gaming system and it is more than a gaming system but at an increased cost. People who want nothing more than the gaming system are not happy about the extra cost they have to eat. This is something Sony has to deal with since they made the decision to make it more than a gaming system and the route they took to get there.


RE: Fanboys
By veloxletalis on 2/28/2007 4:53:41 PM , Rating: 2
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It has nothing to do with having more than a gaming system. Most people want it as a gaming system only. Anything else is secondary and having to pay a higher price because it's more than a gaming system turns people off that only want a gaming system. It's not a value if you're paying for something you don't want or need which is not directly related to the reason for buying something.


If you want a cheap gaming only system that will never do anything other than gaming, buy a 360.
You don't have the right to expect anything that you assume to be true.
Sony told us from the beginning it wasn't going to be just a gaming system.
THAT is what you base your expectations on.


RE: Fanboys
By Gatt on 2/28/2007 5:30:46 PM , Rating: 2
Psst...

The 360 has downloadable high definition video through it's live service. It does more than just gaming, MS is just smart enough to know to offer it as an option, not as a mandatory.

I also really don't think you want me listing the things Sony's told us that were flat out wrong, nor do I really think you want me pointing out that people buy PS3's to play games, not for a "Media center computer!" that's slower than a computer.


RE: Fanboys
By veloxletalis on 2/28/2007 5:39:14 PM , Rating: 2
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The 360 has downloadable high definition video through it's live service. It does more than just gaming, MS is just smart enough to know to offer it as an option, not as a mandatory.


Hmm... long download times for people who just have DSL or quick drive to the video store to rent one. Guess thats just personal preference.

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I also really don't think you want me listing the things Sony's told us that were flat out wrong, nor do I really think you want me pointing out that people buy PS3's to play games, not for a "Media center computer!" that's slower than a computer.


People who want to buy just a gaming system can spend their money on gaming systems.(i.e. 360, wii)
Also, no one here said it was supposed to be a media center computer.


RE: Fanboys
By veloxletalis on 2/28/2007 4:16:17 PM , Rating: 2
Thats awesome, point out where the OP was wrong and teach the fanboys how to do basic math and I get -1 rating by some noob using multiple accounts. GG GG.

quote:
Good job on damage control, Sony Defense Force. The fact is, not many people willing to pay $500/600 for a game console, period.


The fact is, they aren't charging $500 for a gaming system.
They never promised you a gaming system.
They promised us a low cost Multimedia Device and they delivered.
Get the facts before you post, you just make yourself look foolish.


RE: Fanboys
By SmokeRngs on 3/1/2007 10:23:10 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The fact is, they aren't charging $500 for a gaming system.


Considering the main use for the system is playing games, yes they are. And depending on which version you get it can be $600.

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They never promised you a gaming system.


Yes they did. Otherwise, why would there be games to play. Also, why would it be called the Playstation 3? Playstation played games. Playstation 2 played games. Playstation 3 plays games. Do you see a trend here with the names and functions?

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They promised us a low cost Multimedia Device and they delivered.


Low cost is relative to the person and the actual value the person gets from the machine. The main focus of the Playstation series is playing games. The multimedia device additions are secondary but are a large part of the reason for the high price tag.

Sony tried to make the PS3 into something most people do not want at this time. They wanted the gaming system successor to the PS2 only. What they got was that successor with additional unrelated features that significantly raised the price of the machine.

I hate to make the comparison but the XBox360 was also designed as a multimedia center. However, the additions to make it that were not expensive and you are given the option for the additional hardware to extend the multimedia center capabilities instead of having it as standard. The main point was to make a gaming system with some media center functionality added on at minimal expense for the base purchase. The user would be able to extend the media center with additional hardware purchases if they chose to. It's the best of both worlds since both types of users are satisfied and no one is locked into an all or nothing approach.


RE: Fanboys
By slunkius on 3/1/2007 10:37:18 AM , Rating: 2
michal1980, is it you? :)))


RE: Fanboys
By solgae1784 on 2/28/2007 12:41:19 PM , Rating: 2
Don't forget that PS3 neglected to include any sort of HD cables, so for that, you'll have to fork like $15 to $20 for good quality HDMI cable.

Also, xbox 360 premium ($399) + HD-DVD player ($199) = $598

You seem to be forgetting that xbox 360 doesn't force you to have any sort of HD-DVD player. If you don't want the HD-DVD addon, don't buy it. And with the current state of this Blu-ray and HD-DVD format war, I'd rather not go for either format until this ridiculous format war is settled down.

While I admit PS3 does give you a lot for the money, the fact remains that you need $500 or $600 entry price for all that stuff, plus another $15 or $20 for HDMI cable. I could hardly care if PS3 offered the ability to fly - there's no way I'm paying that kind of money for the thing that I'll primarily use for gaming. (and don't get me started on that 'other features' that I'll barely use in real live)


RE: Fanboys
By walk2k on 2/28/2007 1:12:19 PM , Rating: 1
Standard HDMI cables are $5 from Monoprice.com. I use them exclusively, they work perfectly.

How much are the HDMI cables for the Xbox by the way? (DOH!)

"HDMI is not needed".
...
"640k will be enough for anyone."

Poor, poor MSFT.


RE: Fanboys
By kilkennycat on 2/28/2007 2:15:04 PM , Rating: 2
The updated iteration of the Xbox360, with 65nm silicon will also have an added HDMI interface.


RE: Fanboys
By Scabies on 2/28/2007 2:57:28 PM , Rating: 2
(cc: MSFT R&D)
show me the HDMI, and I'll show you the money. I would even pay a $100 premium for it.


RE: Fanboys
By sxr7171 on 2/28/2007 3:56:42 PM , Rating: 2
I'm waiting for either a nice price cut or some HDMI. They could "seal the deal" so to speak if they'd just cut the price of the premium system by $50-100 or put HDMI and Wi-Fi in there. PS3 would simply have no chance if they did it right now while Sony is down. It speaks of some overconfidence in both camps honestly. They apparently have premium console costs down to around $320 so they could just sell it at that and really reap rewards long term. Honestly I think they are both boneheaded companies to different extents. The 360 is really not that much better as a value proposition than the PS3 as the 360 subjects you to good deal of nickel and dimeing with $100 20GB hard drives and $100 Wi-Fi adapters and $20 controller chargers. The PS3 is actually surprisingly not so cheap about the little stuff with user replaceable hard drives, USB chargers, built in Wi-Fi on the 60GB (or use a $10 USB Wi-Fi adapter). The inclusion of SD, and CF slots and opening the system to linux installs is surprising as well. Still as a gaming system it is still not focused on what it should be first and foremost: easy to program for (a gaming console should nurture quality software not work against the people who create the reason why you would buy the console in the first place), accessible cost of entry and well, rumble would be nice in a gaming console. Microsoft could simply own the market by Christmas 2007 if they just cut prices on the console, wi-fi adapter, chargers and hard drives. They lost billions on the Xbox, they could just take a short term hit for a year on hardware and absolutely make a killing on software over the next 3-4 years. They took such a long term view of the market with Xbox I can't understand why they are so short-term focussed this time.


RE: Fanboys
By veloxletalis on 2/28/2007 4:50:01 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Still as a gaming system it is still not focused on what it should be first and foremost: easy to program for (a gaming console should nurture quality software not work against the people who create the reason why you would buy the console in the first place), accessible cost of entry and well, rumble would be nice in a gaming console.


Sony never told you they were making a cheap gaming system.
In fact you can find many a press release where they stated they were creating a Low Cost multimedia device.

I'd like to know what websites these guys were going to to get their information pre-ps3 release. They all think Sony owed them something that Sony never said they were going to give them in the first place.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, the Wii doesn't come with a rumble feature either.


RE: Fanboys
By sxr7171 on 2/28/2007 5:21:46 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah and everyone in the market to play games really wants or needs a "multimedia" system. Don't get fooled by Sony hype, whatever you want to call it remember that it is a gaming system first and foremost. Why? Because games are what brings in the revenue from this whole console selling business. You can have all this extra shit in it but Sony does not make any money if people buy as a Blu-Ray player or Linux computer or potato peeler. I bought mine solely as a Blu-Ray player and Sony lost a good $350 on my purchase and I won't be buying any games for it ever.

They can call it whatever they want but they need this thing to play games and play them well in order to survive. That is primary everything else is secondary. So bumping up the price of this thing by including everything but the kitchen sink and making it out of reach is poor strategy for a device dependent on game sales to achieve profitability. So if these people had any sense they would focus on what it needs to do in order to bring some money in - that is gaming. It should be a gaming device first since that is what brings in the money and it is the primary reason why most people buy a gaming console (you can keep calling it a multimedia device, but you're not fooling anyone).

Face it, Sony just plain and simple lost focus. They got arrogant and thought people would pay whatever they ask for because of the Playstation brand and they thought they could use it as a trojan horse for Blu-Ray adoption and price it at double their previous console while telling you that there is all this extra shit in there for your money and how you are now getting not just a console but a "multimedia device." It's alright people fall for it all the time. What apparently does it really have in terms of "multimedia capabilities" other than Blu-Ray (which a lot of gamers - the people who pay the bills at Sony - don't care for and would gladly buy a $300 non-Blu-Ray version instead) that the Xbox 360 doesn't have?

BTW, the Wimote has rumble.


RE: Fanboys
By veloxletalis on 2/28/2007 5:33:55 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
They can call it whatever they want but they need this thing to play games and play them well in order to survive. That is primary everything else is secondary. So bumping up the price of this thing by including everything but the kitchen sink and making it out of reach is poor strategy for a device dependent on game sales to achieve profitability. So if these people had any sense they would focus on what it needs to do in order to bring some money in - that is gaming. It should be a gaming device first since that is what brings in the money and it is the primary reason why most people buy a gaming console (you can keep calling it a multimedia device, but you're not fooling anyone).


By your logic we should all be bashing Dell and the like because people who just want DVD players or TVs pay extra for all the other crap Dell wants to shove down our throats.
Seriously, are you reading what you are saying?
Buy a TV and a DVD player if you want to watch movies, dont waste your money on something that does all those things you don't want it to do.
The same goes for the PS3, if all you want is a gaming system and nothing more, buy a 360, if you want a Gaming System, low priced Blue Ray player (which is a major selling point for adults), Personal Computer (runs linux) and music player, buy a PS3.

Stay in your market for what you want to buy, don't whine at other peoples markets because it does too much for you to understand.


RE: Fanboys
By gramboh on 2/28/2007 6:36:39 PM , Rating: 2
If you read his post he is bashing Sony's business strategy and provides rational reasons for why it is failing (evidenced by disappointing sales numbers). He is pointing out a flaw in the business strategy.

He is not bashing it as a console, he bought one!

Are you having buyers remorse because there are no games to play or something?


RE: Fanboys
By veloxletalis on 2/28/2007 6:59:02 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
If you read his post he is bashing Sony's business strategy and provides rational reasons for why it is failing (evidenced by disappointing sales numbers). He is pointing out a flaw in the business strategy.


I'm amazed to learn that 2+million sold to date is "failing"
for a multimedia device.
I was simply pointing out flaws in his argument, much like he pointed out flaws in Sony's business strategy, only I used facts.

quote:
Are you having buyers remorse because there are no games to play or something?


And I have no idea where you pulled that comment from.


RE: Fanboys
By akugami on 3/1/2007 1:46:01 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I'm amazed to learn that 2+million sold to date is "failing"
for a multimedia device.
I was simply pointing out flaws in his argument, much like he pointed out flaws in Sony's business strategy, only I used facts.


When you are losing hundreds of millions to sell 2+ million and the low number of sold attachments (games, controllers, etc) which is the bread and butter of said device is not able to cover the cost in the foreseeable future then yes, it is failing. Especially for such a high profile product as the Playstation 3.

Will it be a failure? That remains to be seen but unless something drastic happens, Sony seems to be wading in hip deep water and if they don't find some solid footing they could find themselves slipping into the river.

sxr7171
quote:
I bought mine solely as a Blu-Ray player and Sony lost a good $350 on my purchase and I won't be buying any games for it ever.


The flaw in that comment is that Sony makes money via licensing and royalty fees on Blu-Ray movies. It's the whole reason they included an extremely costly Blu-Ray drive in the PS3. The PS3 was to be a trojan for Blu-Ray. Imagine how many CD's there are (and DVD's for that matter). Then imagine Sony getting a cut off each disc, whether it's blank, a movie disc or a data disc. Now you know why the $200+ albatross called Blu-Ray is included in the PS3.

There is no question that Sony could have released a $400 PS3 with a DVD drive that does everything the current PS3 does excluding high storage capacities on a single disc and HD movie playback out of the box. Had the Blu-Ray drive only cost about $50 or so more than a DVD drive it would have made sense but it's killing the PS3 at the moment.


RE: Fanboys
By veloxletalis on 2/28/2007 1:52:48 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Also, xbox 360 premium ($399) + HD-DVD player ($199) = $598


Where I last saw it they were going for $125.
but thank you for proving my point even further that if you want the same capabilities as a PS3, it costs $100 more, so people need to stop whining about the fair price.


RE: Fanboys
By killerroach on 2/28/2007 2:30:47 PM , Rating: 2
Around here (granted, this is a college town, with a greater area population of nearly a quarter-million), the question is not whether or not you can find a PS3, it's more of where you'll have to go to get one. They don't fly off the shelves the same way the Wii does, but they tend to leave the store within a few days of coming in. Since places don't get new stock every few days... well, they've got a bit of a shortage. Not terrible, but highly inconvenient, as you'd rather not be driving 30-40 miles around town just to get your hands on a console, no matter what it is.

Xbox 360s aren't selling incredibly well, but it looks like around here they've also solved the supply glut problems, so most places you can walk in and take your pick of Premium systems (although, curiously, a Core 360 is about as hard to find as a 20GB PS3). The thing is that all of these next-generation consoles, excuse the Wii, don't have much in terms of "run out and get this" games (and the Wii's case depends a lot on what you think of Nintendo's first-party titles).


RE: Fanboys
By robber98 on 2/28/2007 2:53:07 PM , Rating: 2
Good job on damage control, Sony Defense Force. The fact is, not many people willing to pay $500/600 for a game console, period.


Sony
By gramboh on 2/28/2007 11:33:17 AM , Rating: 2
I think what Sony is trying to do is put out the view on the mainstream that the console is doing well so that casual buyers are not apprehensive about it.

They must be aware that the enthusiast market is not being receptive to the console at this point (due to awful game selection and high price) and are hoping for casual buyers with money to give it a chance instead of defaulting to Wii/360.

I'm really hoping their first round of exclusives bombs and Halo 3 causes a ton of 360 sales (even though I find Halo a boring FPS compared to PC). Anything that hurts Sony and Blu-ray is good.




RE: Sony
By rdeegvainl on 2/28/2007 12:30:23 PM , Rating: 2
I will start by saying I agree with your first 2 paragraphs. But the last one is pointless.
I'm really hoping their first round of exclusives bombs and Halo 3 causes a ton of 360 sales (even though I find Halo a boring FPS compared to PC).
Why? Is it benificial to any gamer to have the games flop?

Anything that hurts Sony and Blu-ray is good.
How is that? I would say it is a bad thing. I would rather Sony do well, and keep the competition up. Unless you want the market to start stagnating.

I'm not saying go buy a PS3. Or don't buy anything else, But I think this kind of banter is a clear sign of either fanboism for another system, OR, it is from someone who just HATES PS3 for no reason, OR, is resentful of them that they can't justify themselves buying there product at the price that was set.
Sure, Tretton is living in his own little world. But does that mean we should hate the product and "HOPE" it fails?
I will note that I used to be like that torwards the XBOX and 360, but I realised it is better to have competition so no one company gets complacent.
I wish they would do something about the upper management though. Maybe it can be brought around with price drops and exclusives. But just saying it sells won't make it sell.


RE: Sony
By gramboh on 2/28/2007 12:50:57 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Why? Is it benificial to any gamer to have the games flop?


Because Sony needs a wake-up call and putting out a hard to develop for, overpriced console that people aren't buying is going to be a lesson for them. Competition.

quote:
How is that? I would say it is a bad thing. I would rather Sony do well, and keep the competition up. Unless you want the market to start stagnating.


Because HD-DVD is cheaper to the end user and the fewer PS3's that sell the better chance it has of "winning" if that is even possible now. I feel the stupid format war is slowing down the adoption rate/raising the price of HD.

quote:
I'm not saying go buy a PS3. Or don't buy anything else, But I think this kind of banter is a clear sign of either fanboism for another system, OR, it is from someone who just HATES PS3 for no reason, OR, is resentful of them that they can't justify themselves buying there product at the price that was set.


Competition is good. I want Sony to compete, but I want the Xbox360 and Wii to be market dominant with the PS3 in a distant 3rd. This would be a changing of the guard from the previous generation where PS2 led. Competition is best for consumers if the leading vendors swap spots often (e.g. AMD/Intel). I think the Xbox360 and Wii have more merit as systems for various reasons and hope they are successful based on these merits. I'm not resentful, I could walk downstairs from my office right now and buy a PS3 without blinking, but I won't because there is no value in the product to me. Personally, I spend most of my limited gaming time on my PC, with some on Wii and Xbox.


RE: Sony
By rdeegvainl on 2/28/2007 1:56:42 PM , Rating: 2
I want Sony to compete, but I want the Xbox360 and Wii to be market dominant with the PS3 in a distant 3rd
So your saying you want the PS3 to be able to compete but your also saying you want the things most able to do that (the exclusives) to fail. not only putting PS3 in a position where it can't compete but also draining funds from the developers? And why does the PS3 have to be a distant 3rd to allow a changing of the guard?
But in regards to the price of HD-DVD to BR, the fewer hd dvd players that sell the better, cause that would also put BR in a great lead where the price can drop significantly, (by your argument that it is the format war keeping price up) and make it cheaper to the end user.

But this time your last paragraph is much better. Last time you said nothing of letting them compete, just of the PS3 failing.
Also with regards to the AMD INTEL example, when has AMD been the leading vendor? And how often did it switch.
And as to resentful, no i cannot say you are. But your first post left that in the air, and i was rushed at work otherwise i would have edited and left that word out.


RE: Sony
By Scabies on 2/28/2007 2:55:20 PM , Rating: 2
If I remember correctly, AMD was kicking Intel in the pants from 99-05. Conroe ended that, but AMD did have the better product for a LONG time. Hence we read about Intel learning their lesson and getting way ahead with Conroe so AMD doesn't catch up. Then going to 45nm before AMD mainstreams 65. All because they [intel] were playing second fiddle [to amd] for years.


RE: Sony
By gramboh on 2/28/2007 3:37:35 PM , Rating: 2
Intel more or less lead up to the Pentium 3 era when the Athlon T-Bird came out which was better performance for dollar if I remember correctly (it was when I bought a T-Bird 1200MHz anyway). I think the next changeover was Intel releasing the P4 Northwood (B and C series, 333 and 400 FSB?) which was better than the Athlon XP at the time. AMD then retook the lead with Athlon 64 and Athlon X2 until the Core 2 Duo was released last July.


RE: Sony
By ani4ani on 2/28/2007 4:28:15 PM , Rating: 2
Yea lets face it AMD grew from about 8% to 15% market share when they had the "lead"


By panda10 on 2/28/2007 2:12:33 PM , Rating: 3
That's some twisted logic- another gem are the remarks along the lines of "I saw a dozen sitting at [STORE] and people were just walking right buy them- no one was picking one up."

First, I don't know why there is all the PS3 bashing. You don't want one- don't buy one. I don't go around bashing XBOX or Wii. I'm not a "fanboy" either. I just wanted a cheap blu-ray player so I can watch more HD content on my HDTV. I live in NYC and it took me over a month to find a store with a PS3 in stock- which was 25 miles outside the city.

Just because you see a few on the shelves- doesn't mean that product is a poor seller. Also- the next time you go- those boxes may not be the SAME you saw earlier- so if you saw 6 last time and 6 on the shelf a week later- you can't make the leap that none of them sold. Unless you're watching the store for a 24 hour period- thinking something is selling poorly just because no one is picking it up while you're there is silly.

Companies do not want products completely sold out all the time because that actually leads to lower sales after a while. People will just get fed up with the shortage.

To the folks that bash the PS3, why? If you don't want it, don't like it- that's fine- why the crusade? I'm not telling people not to get the XBOX of Wii. In fact- I wish I had all three.




By encryptkeeper on 2/28/2007 3:13:36 PM , Rating: 2
"I saw a dozen sitting at [STORE] and people were just walking right buy them- no one was picking one up."


You idiot. If you really feel this is 'Sony bashing Xbox Nintendo fanboiism', get a fucking life. That sentence was a perfectly acceptable statement of a FACT. People at retail stores themselves repeatedly say things like, "our PS3's don't sell, we can't get rid of them". Go talk to anyone at a retail store and see if they tell you of the same reaction to when the public sees Wiis on the shelves compared to how they react to seeing PS3s. Cause I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but they gobble up the Wiis and leave the PS3s.
Just because you see a few on the shelves- doesn't mean that product is a poor seller.
This is just a rediculous statement. If someone stood over you when you typed that, I hope they hit you. Really hard. By your reasoning, the Gamecubes that are still sitting on the shelves might be selling well too! Sorry, but that logic doesn't work. Have a little common sense, or look at the sales numbers, whichever works for you.


By panda10 on 3/1/2007 11:27:33 AM , Rating: 2
Encryptkeeper- you have posted the most on this topic and you flame everyone who doesn't agree with you. My post was not personal in anyway but so be it.

People at retail stores? You mean those guys that get paid $5.50 an hour are giving you your information? Also, I think everyone agrees that some places will have plenty of PS3' some places will have none.

"Just because you see a few on the shelves- doesn't mean that product is a poor seller.
This is just a rediculous statement. If someone stood over you when you typed that, I hope they hit you. Really hard."

So when you walk in a bookstore and see 150 Harry Potters they are not selling well. When you drive past a Toyota dealership and see 100 Camry's on the lot- they are not selling well. When you go to a supermarket and see 200 boxes or Raisin Bran- that means its not selling well. Only when you go to a store and see 1 of that item that means that item is selling well? That's great logic too.

I agree that its much harder to find a Wii- AND that there is more demand for the Wii. I think the fact that its hard to find PS3 is more due to supply issues- not because more people want the PS3- which is all I've been saying. Because of the meager supply- its still hard to find one in some places.


By Scabies on 2/28/2007 3:16:42 PM , Rating: 2
logic fails on the irrational.


By BMFPitt on 2/28/2007 3:23:28 PM , Rating: 2
If Sony would stop claiming that it is impossible to find one, we wouldn't have to make fun of them for it.


Remember the movie "Crazy People"
By masher2 (blog) on 2/28/2007 7:40:30 AM , Rating: 2
This reminds me of the Dudley Moore movie, where an advertising executive begins writing honest ads...and is immediately judged insane and sent to a mental institute.




RE: Remember the movie "Crazy People"
By FITCamaro on 2/28/2007 9:01:02 AM , Rating: 5
Actually Sony is starting to remind me more of a series of Dilbert cartoons.

"Hey, no ones buying our product. What do we do?"

"Announce a shortage. That will make everyone rush to buy them thinking they won't be able to get one."

"Brilliant."

Hey that's pretty good!


By keiclone on 2/28/2007 12:49:30 PM , Rating: 2
rofl that was awesome


If this wasn't a blog
By deeznuts on 2/28/2007 1:22:59 PM , Rating: 1
If this wasn't a blog I'd be very critical of the tone of the author. There are numerous reports of PS3's being sold out in various areas. Are all of them true who knows but if there are just a small number of stores that are out it still is a shortage. As a manufacturer you want every store to be stocked.

Unless the author wants to lend credence to every story of there being plenty of PS3's but the dismiss the stories of some (not all, some) stores being out. Then that's just plain bias.




RE: If this wasn't a blog
By encryptkeeper on 2/28/2007 3:17:45 PM , Rating: 2
There are numerous reports of PS3's being sold out in various areas.

Where?????


RE: If this wasn't a blog
By dubldwn on 2/28/2007 3:56:50 PM , Rating: 2
Apparently, Vancouver, BC, San Diego, CA, San Francisco, CA, and Columbia, MD - and that’s just from the current posts.


RE: If this wasn't a blog
By cplusplus on 2/28/2007 5:02:48 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
There are numerous reports of PS3's being sold out in various areas.

quote:
Where?????




quote:
Apparently, Vancouver, BC, San Diego, CA, San Francisco, CA, and Columbia, MD - and that’s just from the current posts.


Owned. If only slightly.


RE: If this wasn't a blog
By walk2k on 2/28/2007 6:00:06 PM , Rating: 2
Well this blog is sponsored heavily by Microsoft if that means anything to you....


stop it
By boss coffee on 2/28/2007 11:10:57 AM , Rating: 3
can people stop posting the same thing?

"I saw (20,40,60) PS3's at my (Best Buy, Circuit City, Walmart) sitting on the (Shelf, Floor, Sidewalk), but no Wii. Jack Tretton owes me ($24000, $48000, $72000)."

We get it.




RE: stop it
By viperpa on 2/28/2007 11:29:03 AM , Rating: 2
I went to Best Buy and they had 3 $600 P3's sitting in front as you walk in. I guess they can't push them out the door just sitting on the shelf. The same 3 will probably be sitting there a week from now. I thought the P3's would sell itself?


RE: stop it
By Scabies on 2/28/2007 11:48:27 AM , Rating: 1
good lord, are you retarded? his post is saying not to do exactly what you just did in your response to his post!


RE: stop it
By viperpa on 2/28/2007 11:53:40 AM , Rating: 1
I was just mentioning about the Best Buy near me. Maybe if you used some smarts, you would get somewhere.


RE: stop it
By FITCamaro on 2/28/2007 12:17:18 PM , Rating: 1
This is where you hit your forehead and say "DOH!"


Did no one think this was funny?
By qrhetoric on 2/28/2007 1:02:53 PM , Rating: 2
I can't believe it... I'm here pretty late in the posting and no one thinks it's funny that he calls the Wii an impulse buy... my impulse buy is usually worth about $2, not $200.




RE: Did no one think this was funny?
By deeznuts on 2/28/2007 1:17:45 PM , Rating: 2
My impulse buys can be up to $1000 or more. Yes I just impuslely bought a Mitsubishi HD1000u projector, when before even hearing about it I didn't even think about getting any projector. Just perusing the avsforum and ran across how good and how cheap it is. Made some arrangements for my 42" LCD TV and 20" Dell LCD Monitor, now I have the Mitsu and a Dell 30" LCD monitor on the way. (So that's actually close to $2,000 in impulse buys but offset by $1150 or so that I receive for my old stuff)


By gramboh on 2/28/2007 6:45:27 PM , Rating: 2
My roommate just purchased a $1,500CDN Core 2 Duo PC on impulse (at work, after 2 or 3 emails to me).

It happens.


By ViperROhb34 on 2/28/2007 9:53:04 PM , Rating: 2

Lets get something straight..

Anything you buy impulsively (suddenly on desire) is impulse buying..

Sony execs are just not going to admit yet that Wii is kicking their ass.. so they have to make up some excuse ( like it matters ) .. So where are all those PS3 impulse buyers??


Why all the hate?
By osalcido on 2/28/2007 2:32:14 PM , Rating: 1
So the PS3 was somewhat of a flop.... so why are you so happy? This just makes it less likely we'll see a PS4.. or any other system that caters to people that want realistic graphics instead of that game boy-ish Wii crap.

Ok your Wii-god is a hit... so what. Move on!




RE: Why all the hate?
By sxr7171 on 2/28/2007 2:43:46 PM , Rating: 2
Because hopefully they will have learned something from it and not make a hard to program for console again. It retards the progress of the entire field of gaming when a developer's nightmare hits critical mass. Last go around developers had no choice but to waste a good amount of their time just trying to get that putrid PS2 perform decently because it was the only way to put food on the table. They could have spent less time making the game for the Xbox or even Gamecube which handily outperformed the PS2. They could have made better games. Gaming as a whole is getting fvcked by Sony.


RE: Why all the hate?
By encryptkeeper on 2/28/2007 3:16:48 PM , Rating: 3
PS3 was somewhat of a flop.... so why are you so happy?

Because for nerds like us, we're glad to see the big guy fall. Plus, the arrogance was REALLY annoying (I say was, like Sony has stopped the arrogance).


RE: Why all the hate?
By sxr7171 on 2/28/2007 3:36:54 PM , Rating: 2
Well that too. Some humble pie never hurt anyone every once in a while. It creates improvement.


Wii is an impulse buy?
By sintaxera on 2/28/2007 8:04:03 AM , Rating: 4
Since when is waiting outside a store for it to open, traveling around from store to store, anxiously waiting for the next shipment considered an impulse buy? Especially since this is STILL happening even this long after launch?




RE: Wii is an impulse buy?
By AlexWade on 2/28/2007 8:08:49 AM , Rating: 2
Because almighty Sony says so. And almighty Sony says Blu-Ray has won.


By anonymo on 2/28/2007 8:48:30 AM , Rating: 2
Hahaha...I think Sony is doing this just so they can say "We don't make empty promises...remember the PS3 shortages in Q1 2007? We had store shelves full even before we announced the shortage!!! Beat that MS!!"




By h0kiez on 2/28/2007 10:20:09 AM , Rating: 3
Honestly, I think PS3's biggest stumbling block, aside from price, is the irrational, uneducated criticisms of the general public.

The poster you're replying to clearly doesn't make a very good argument, but much of the criticism over the PS3 (forced Blu-Ray, price, lack of focus on gaming, difficulty in developing for the system) is legit. I have a generally negative view of the console like most others, but the criticisms don't matter. What matters is the games. If Sony can pull off a handful of must-have titles that are exclusive to their system, they'll sell a hell of a lot more consoles. End of story. I have absolutely no desire to have a PS3 and if I could buy one for $199 I wouldn't (unless it was for resale). But give me some killer RPGs or other games that I just can't get elsewhere and that can change overnight.


By Scabies on 2/28/2007 3:28:54 PM , Rating: 2
I love this forced blu-ray argument, and still dont understand what gives it credence. It's not like you are going to be shut out from the rest of the world if BR fails. The PS3 will continue to print its games on Blu-Ray even if it fails as the High Definition media of choice (UMD movies sucking hasn't stopped the PSP.) All you'll have to complain about then is only being able to watch high def movies printed in 06-07, but since HD-DVD is going to be oh-so-much cheaper, whats the problem? By the time the war is over, HD-DVD will hypothetically be established at a low enough price (and long enough from now) that you'll be able to afford it. If not, you have Blu-Ray and whatever movies you have picked up already, and will be better off by about $150-300 by not having to pick up a HD-DVD player (which you probably will have used already to collect Blu-Ray movies.) The locking is BS.

However, you are right, as I had mentioned in my previous post, that the games are not worth the console right now, and that goes hand in hand with the difficulty of developing for Cell/RSX (which you listed as two separate points.) Do keep in mind that we are in month four of this system's life, and March/April is a big month for PS3 gaming.


Tretton for President
By BMFPitt on 2/28/2007 10:23:04 AM , Rating: 4
Jack Tretton should run for President. I would donate to his campaign just for the ads he would put out.

"I promise to find a way to spend the giant budget surplus we have now that the national debt is paid off."




RE: Tretton for President
By Spyvie on 2/28/2007 11:26:47 AM , Rating: 2
"There are no American troops in Baghdad" - Baghdad Bob

""If you can find a PS3 anywhere in North America that's been on shelves for more than a few minutes, I'll give you 1,200 bucks for it." - Jack Tretton


By behemothzero on 2/28/2007 8:17:06 AM , Rating: 3
Aren't they already doing that now?




By TomZ on 2/28/2007 9:06:16 AM , Rating: 2
Maybe they're trying to "overachieve" then!


By ElDuderin0 on 2/28/2007 9:54:36 AM , Rating: 2
Around Ellicott City/Columbia Maryland there appears to be a shortage. I check everytime I go into a retailer, I've never seen a PS3 on a shelf at Best Buy or Walmart, the only place I've seen them was at two seperate Targets, one had 9, but since last month I haven't seen any there. The other Target had 2, but I haven't been back to check. 20gb versions seem even harder to come by.

Of course my local GameStop is supposed to have 1-3 60gb units in stock according to their website.
Its not exactly a shortage I guess, but its not exactly as you guys describe it either, at least, it isn't around here.

But yeah, no Wiis to be found anywhere...




By ViperROhb34 on 2/28/2007 9:50:08 PM , Rating: 2
I live in Columbus Ohio.. My cousin lives In Kentucky near the border of Ohio.. almost any store you go to.. Walmart, Bestbuy, Gamestop has many PS3's in stock. Gamestop in Columbus told us they aren't selling and this is a big city..the capital of Ohio..

Also on your comment about not being able to find 20Gig PS3's.. Thats because Sony is shipping mostly 60Gig models.
They actually lose more money on the 20gig versions !! Son had announced that something like 80% of what they shipped would be 60 Gig models..


53
By Reveneant on 2/28/2007 10:00:37 AM , Rating: 2
Just so anyone who has been desperately trying to find a PS3, the Best Buy in Pembroke Pines, FL has had 53 60GB models sitting in the middle of their store for the last two days.

Where do I collect my $63,600?

PS: They have no Wii's. A lot of impulse purchasing going on I guess.




RE: 53
By Keeir on 2/28/2007 11:21:39 AM , Rating: 2
Just last week, I saw 7 Wii displayed openly at a games section in Target. I didn't get one because I'm not a big Zelda fan... I though better of it, went back 1.5 hours later, and all 7 were gone. Apparently the Target had recieved around 20 that day around noon... (along with like 40 DS lites) by 8, All 20 Wii were gone as were 15-20 DS lites.


He must got wrong with marketing report.
By Roy2001 on 2/28/2007 12:48:21 PM , Rating: 2
He read as "customer shortage" while it is "PS3 shortage".




By encryptkeeper on 2/28/2007 3:26:13 PM , Rating: 2
He read as "customer shortage" while it is "PS3 shortage"

Ooh, good one.


By killerroach on 2/28/2007 2:34:57 PM , Rating: 2
Even as a quasi-fan of Sony's, I refer to Sony's PR people as "the Keystone Kops of marketing". Just sit there, kick back, and be amused :)


By encryptkeeper on 2/28/2007 2:37:00 PM , Rating: 2
I would agree with you, but for me, I'm still at the 'Confused' stage rather than 'amused'. Amused isn't far behind though.


If they want to help the shortages...
By JonnyBlaze on 2/28/2007 1:08:54 PM , Rating: 2
They need to start building wiis




By sxr7171 on 2/28/2007 2:34:46 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, they'd make way more money if they just sucked it up and started making Wiis! Just Like they started making iPod accessories. Hell they'd make more just selling Wii accessories like little Wimote rubber sleeves.


A Shortage?
By Nik00117 on 2/28/2007 2:01:56 PM , Rating: 2
Whoever is doing Sony's marketing needs a realitly check.

They are terriable at math. 10-15 PS3s sitting on a sheleve for weeks isn't a shortage.

Sony fucked up majorly this time, and haven't come to understand their mistake yet.

BTW How logn do you think those 2 million somthing units are going last? I bet I could get a chunk of that 2 million something units in 3-4 years.

Now they are overproducing.

I honselty doubt sony is looking at its figures.




RE: A Shortage?
By ani4ani on 2/28/2007 4:35:18 PM , Rating: 2
I don't know what is more amusing, Sony's comments or the saddo's all over America counting PS3's and then going back the next day and checking there the same ones there as yesterday. Nearly as funny as the voyeurs watching people buying Wii's as soon as they come in :)


No shortage !
By kilkennycat on 2/28/2007 2:06:32 PM , Rating: 2
The local EB dealers have been shuttling their excess PS3s around their stores for the past month in the hope of catching a customer or two. ( West coast, US )




RE: No shortage !
By sxr7171 on 2/28/2007 2:46:10 PM , Rating: 2
I saw a Gamestop in NYC no less that had a sign on the door for days saying that PS3s were in stock! That's not a shortage especially since that happened in NYC.


Thank Gawd!
By Scorpion on 2/28/2007 1:15:11 PM , Rating: 3
Oh Thank you Sony! I've been desperately trying to find a PS3 since it was released! Why don't you just go ahead and open the flood gates on these new PS3 shipments! Push those assembly lines to their maximum output capacity! I think that may be the only way I'll ever get one of your amazing PS3s, because these things never last for more than a few seconds! I always see those PS3 hounds stalking the stores 24/7 to get their hands on one! It's a damn near riot every time they bring them up from the storage room! I'm so thankful you guys are on top of this problem! I <3 Sony!




By patentman on 3/1/2007 12:25:38 AM , Rating: 3
namely my house.




Its the color
By Belard on 2/28/2007 8:46:24 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah...

I think the PS3 is selling badly because the shiney black and chrome is kinda... Darthy.

Perhaps.. have some RED PS3... oh, I am actually waiting for the Silver version that they showed many months ago, that looks cool.




GREAT!
By 05SilverGT on 2/28/2007 9:19:40 AM , Rating: 2
Thanks go out to Sony for helping us with a problem I didn't know existed. Every store around me has PS3 in stock but I guess Sony wants them to have even more!




Pathetic
By arswihart on 2/28/2007 9:50:02 AM , Rating: 2
"pathetic" is the word that most comes to mind with these recent exploits. EVERYONE knows the PS3 has been a huge flop and that it is the Wii that is having the shortage.

These comments are almost as outlandish as when Condaleeza Rice recently labeled the British pullout from Iraq as a "positive sign."




By edge929 on 2/28/2007 10:04:38 AM , Rating: 2
Apparently Mr. Jack Tretton doesn't live in the same dimension as the rest of us.

If anyone really "needs" a PS3 and can't find one, please reply to me and I'll stop by Best Buy over my lunch break today and pick you up one, or two or 12 if you wanted. No shortages here.




By kattanna on 2/28/2007 11:30:13 AM , Rating: 2
because all the europeans are buying ours since theirs are gonna suck playing PS2 games

LOL

but seriously, as most here have posted..i have no problems finding PS3 area me

i also ran into someone who actually bought one when they first came out and he says that he hasnt really used it since the first couple of weeks, but he uses his Wii all the time.




What ever you say...
By dice1111 on 2/28/2007 12:39:23 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
"Our goal is not to have empty shelves, it's to have full shelves."

Keep the prices as high as they are, and this won't be a problem no matter how many PS3's you bring in.




bwahahahahah
By Hyperlite on 2/28/2007 12:50:19 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Their total haul according to Tretton's offer price was $13,200. There's still no word as to whether Gabe and Tycho have received their check from Tretton.


LOL!




The only Thing
By porkster on 2/28/2007 1:57:53 PM , Rating: 2
The ony thing to save the PS3 is a Wii Remote type controller. So sony would need to modify the unit and maybe give free upgrade to existing PS3 owners. Else, the PS3 is dead as everyone knows it's a lemon.




Jack is No Dummy
By ViperROhb34 on 2/28/2007 9:45:23 PM , Rating: 2
Statements of confidence like this are meant to just that build that in consumers.

"Confidence"

Especially in buyers who may or may not know what is selling well and recognizes the Sony PlayStation Name 1st.

Ole' Jack might be making it look good for investors too, but MAybe someone should tell him those units will never sell at 600 dollars..

I cant wait till the lower the price and you see MS lower Xbox price as well.. a one hundred dollar drop would mean a 200 & 300 dollar 360..




By h0kiez on 2/28/2007 8:49:44 AM , Rating: 2
If you define a shortage as not being in stock at 90%+ stores, then it could sort of be considered a shortage (still a stretch). But I doubt anyone is NOT getting one because they might have to call 2 stores instead of 1.

Also, while the shortage of the 20GB units is actually somewhat real, that's intentional on Sony's part. They lose significantly more money on that one and really aren't all that interested in selling it. If 20% of the PS3's I've seen in stock locally were the 20GB models, there would be no shortage of those either.


By Aeonic on 2/28/2007 9:48:02 AM , Rating: 4
"EGM even acknowledges this and tells Tretton that of the 18 stores they called before the interview, half of them had PS3s in stock."

... Maybe they called 9 grocery stores ;-)


By Spivonious on 2/28/2007 10:05:10 AM , Rating: 2
Plus that EGM was published at the end of January, meaning the article was written in mid-January at the latest. Nowadays there is no shortage. Every store I go to has at least two systems and noone buying them.


By augiem on 2/28/2007 12:35:15 PM , Rating: 2
I can't find any in San Francisco either. Not that I really tried that hard, but Circuit City and Best Buy don't have em.


By dubldwn on 2/28/2007 1:17:38 PM , Rating: 2
Ya, this is obviously a regional issue. BB, CC, and Fry's are sold out where I live. I've never even seen a PS3, except for the fake one in the demo display.


90% of D.T
By michal1980 on 2/28/07, Rating: -1
RE: 90% of D.T
By encryptkeeper on 2/28/2007 2:35:44 PM , Rating: 1
Jesus fucking christ man,we know you hate DT. So stop coming here. STOP. Look at the sales numbers and all the news on the net. *None* of it is in Sony's favor. Face it, your precious PS3 is loved by you, but it's still in the majority. Stop being so conceited as to believe that just because you like it, everyone else does because honestly, all the sales numbers say differently. I hate Microsoft and I'd get a 360 before getting a PS3 because the games seem better on the 360 than the PS3.


RE: 90% of D.T
By Scabies on 2/28/07, Rating: 0
RE: 90% of D.T
By michal1980 on 2/28/07, Rating: 0
RE: 90% of D.T
By encryptkeeper on 2/28/2007 5:58:04 PM , Rating: 1
Then be more open minded and tolerant of the writers of the original articles. Stop bitching about how they are biased against Sony because we get it, you LIKE Sony. Yeah, we have been able to figure that out. No one here understands WHY. And don't call us close minded when you do the same thing yourself. i.e.,
are like the high school kid in target the other day.

he walked by and called the ps3 'dumb', its just 'dumb'.

transaltion= I can't afford it, and really want it, so i'll call it 'dumb'

So basically what you're saying is that anyone who disagrees with you is dumb. That sounds pretty goddamn closed-minded to me.


RE: 90% of D.T
By encryptkeeper on 2/28/2007 5:49:58 PM , Rating: 2
Face it, your precious PS3 is loved by you, but it's still in the majority.

Oops, my bad that should read that its not in the majority. Thanks for catching that.


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