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PS3: the big 2001-esque Blu-ray console
Sony stands strong behind decision to include Blu-ray in the PS3

Those critical of the PlayStation 3’s price often point to the Blu-ray Drive components as culprits for the system’s spendiness. Not only has the inclusion of Blu-ray into PlayStation 3’s spec driven up the bill of materials cost, it’s also much to blame for the initial shortage of consoles at launch and the delayed release into Europe and Australia.

Sony said recently that it plans to have shortage problems solved by May. “The blue laser diode, as you well know, had a blip short-term ramp up issue, which is now past; that's now behind us,” said Phil Harrison, SCE Worldwide Studios, in a GameDaily interview. “That did cause us some challenges in being able to supply the launch worldwide, but that's all resolved.”

Some consumers clamor on Internet forums that the Blu-ray Drive’s added cost is nothing but another effort for Sony to sneak its HD format into the homes of consumers, and that Sony should remove Blu-ray functionality from the console and offer it as an add-on. Of course, such arguments seem to ignore that PS3 games also run off of blue laser media, and that the Blu-ray format can do more than just movies.

“We needed to have Blu-ray disc from a game design point of view. The chipsets in PS3 chew through data at such a rate that in order to build variety and detail and quality into the games, we need more than nine gigabytes,” Harrison added. “Now, the fact that we could also adopt the preeminent next generation movie format into PS3 was an added bonus, not an added cost.”

Every new PlayStation generation features the latest in optical disc technology. The original PlayStation used optical media when Nintendo was still firmly planted into cartridges. The PlayStation 2 brought affordable DVD players into millions of homes. And the PlayStation 3 makes the generational jump to Blu-ray Disc.

Admittedly, the inclusion of the newest optical format has plagued the latest PlayStation more than formats of past, but Sony remains confident in the decision. “No regrets whatsoever, and it's those kinds of decisions, painful though they were to live through in the last quarter of 2006, those are the decisions that are going to propel PlayStation 3 to be a platform that lasts for ten years, like we've seen with PS1 and PS2,” Harrison said. “And it will be, I believe, reflected on as the smartest decision we ever made.”



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future-proof?
By brinox on 3/2/2007 3:55:45 PM , Rating: 3
at least sony is thinking in the future with the incorporation of blu-ray, aside from the format war currently underway.

blu-ray is adamantly more headstrong that its previous attempts with betamax, relatively speaking




RE: future-proof?
By dreddly on 3/2/2007 4:04:38 PM , Rating: 2
I think the ps3 is too expensive, but I agree with their logic and the idea that it is future proof. I am hoping this format war will end up more like DVD-R vs DVD+R than VHS vs Beta.

Larger capacity is needed for future devices - with 32 GB flash drives on the way, 4.7 GB DVD's already seem obsolete.


RE: future-proof?
By nerdboy on 3/2/2007 4:15:54 PM , Rating: 2
there are already making 64 GB flash drives.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/04/07/kangurus-64gb-f...


RE: future-proof?
By sdsdv10 on 3/2/2007 4:47:28 PM , Rating: 2
Actually they are already up to 160GB...

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6220


RE: future-proof?
By ninjit on 3/2/2007 5:09:39 PM , Rating: 3
By Flash drives, they're referring to USB memory sticks and other portable storage (i.e. alternatives to CDs, DVDs, etc.)

What you linked is a Solid State Disk (SSD), that is designed to be an HDD replacement, usually for use in extreme environments that would really screw a regular harddisk, such as lots of shock, humidity, large temperature swings,etc.
But they'll eventually trickle down to the more mainstream, hopefully sooner than later.


RE: future-proof?
By tuteja1986 on 3/2/2007 11:54:47 PM , Rating: 2
Smart move in Blu-ray wins the format war... bad move since it increase the price by $200.


RE: future-proof?
By ogreslayer on 3/2/2007 6:44:25 PM , Rating: 5
Blu-Ray is an awesome technology for storage and is a great feature to future proof a console. I'm not sure anyone argues that. What they complain about is the price increase. The pricing means that they CANNOT create an installed base to compete with an XBOX3. something the community knows will come within 5 years, well 3-4 now. Thus future proofing the system for a 7-10 year life cycle is totally irrelevant and impractical.

50GB discs were really not 'needed', they are a luxury. One that the PS3s hardware is incapable of taking full advantage of due to poor choices in memory allocation and what is truthfully an underpowered GPU to compete with PC gaming and the 360. How many PC games do you have over 20GBs, with their hours of content and there multitudes of texture levels. My largest folder is my Steam folder which encompasses an jaw dropping 12GB, and thats with 2 game engines and 12 mods/expansions. The largest title I've heard of is Vanguard: Saga of Heroes @ 20+GB

I don't fault Sony for trying it this way but if you are going to charge what is perceived as a significant price increase over your competitors you have to at least fill the check boxes on value, content, and power... I don't think anyone of those is actually done by the PS3 and I'm not sure most people do either.


RE: future-proof?
By Samus on 3/2/2007 7:02:51 PM , Rating: 2
yes, but WHERE ARE THE GAMES.


RE: future-proof?
By lukasbradley on 3/3/2007 12:15:42 PM , Rating: 2
Same thing was said about the PS2 when it came out.


RE: future-proof?
By akugami on 3/4/2007 12:50:25 AM , Rating: 2
Except that the PS2 sold very very well as opposed to the PS3 which, while it is selling, is slow in comparison to it's competitors.

As for Blu-Ray, I like it over HD-DVD but it's not a guaranteed win for it. The HD disc format wars are far form over and it'll be a while before we see who wins.

I don't see games needing more than two DVD9's in the near future except for fluff content. And for the foreseeable future, two DVD9's are still cheaper to manufacture than a single Blu-Ray.


RE: future-proof?
By Rockjock51 on 3/2/2007 7:14:06 PM , Rating: 2
For what it's worth, my Vanguard folder is only 16.7GB.


RE: future-proof?
By TejTrescent on 3/3/2007 1:41:34 AM , Rating: 2
... Vanguard's THAT big? o_O


RE: future-proof?
By FITCamaro on 3/4/2007 5:14:05 PM , Rating: 2
During beta it was nearly 18GB. Tons of textures and shit.


RE: future-proof?
By Dactyl on 3/2/2007 8:18:57 PM , Rating: 5
It's got the optical drive of tomorrow, with CPU the of today, and the graphics card a of yesterday.

Do you really think, in four years, the Cell processor (or the tiny NVidia graphics card) will be exciting?

The very idea of future-proofing a console is ridiculous.

If you aren't comfortable with a 3-year release schedule, you shouldn't be in the business of making consoles. Sony can't force us to wait 6 years between consoles, because MS is moving faster.

And if you won't make your new consoles fully backwards compatible, then you're a horrible company.


RE: future-proof?
By dome1234 on 3/3/2007 6:28:12 AM , Rating: 2
by the same logic, that would mean wii's doomed. Not just yesterday, except for the controllers, all are last-week.

using pc-ish logic on console isn't right. pc-games constantly requires newer speedier hardware, console developers have to squeeze performance out of a locked-out system for years.

thus future proofing a console isn't as straightforward as you might perceive. To microsoft, unified shader based gpu is the answer with a multi-core cpu. To sony, a novel cpu + bluray is. To nintendo, a novel interesting engaging controller is.


RE: future-proof?
By Anosh on 3/3/2007 4:05:14 PM , Rating: 2
Wii is not targeting the same audience as Xbox ans PS. And considering this audience chooses the wii for other reasons than graphics tells me the wii doesn't need to be very concerned about upgrading as time goes on.

On the other hand all of this generation consoles will most probably be upgraded several times during their life span to keep them up to date. Something that didn't really happen during the last generation (not taking into account some small hardware updates to Gamecube and the minimizing of the ps2 etc).


RE: future-proof?
By timmiser on 3/3/2007 12:20:30 AM , Rating: 2
Here is the PS3 in a nutshell:

As a game console, it is way too expensive, late to market, and too few launch titles.

As a Blue Ray platform, it works great and is half the price of a stand alone player!


RE: future-proof?
By walk2k on 3/3/07, Rating: 0
RE: future-proof?
By bozilla on 3/3/2007 8:16:35 PM , Rating: 4
You sir are seriously disturbed :)

you say WRONG! and you say 20GB for a game that looks mediocre by new gen standards is OK? Oh, and how many new gen titles does PS3 have after several months being on the market? 2-3 at the most, with Resistance looking the best, but still far from wow-ing anyone. Where exactly did you see XBox 360 games to take 3DVDs, please? Name a game.

"Bluray is not needed"...
"640k will be enough for everyone".....

Who said that? You should grow up, and stop pulling these statements out of your ass.


RE: future-proof?
By dluther on 3/4/07, Rating: 0