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In-game XMB accesses

PS3 game Trophies
2.40 firmware bricks some PS3 consoles

Many rejoiced late last night when Sony posted the 2.40 firmware update for the Playstation 3. The 2.40 brought a number of improvements to the platform including in-game XMB accesses, a new Trophy system similar in concept to Xbox 360 Achievements, and the ability for gamers to use music playlists within games (provided that the game developers provides a patch to support the feature).

Shortly after the update went live, many users began reporting problems with the update. A thread over at the official Playstation 3 forums is currently up to 61-pages and is filled with a number of irate owners.

According to Kotaku, the update is causing some controllers to malfunction, and in many cases, it bricks the system altogether. All Playstation 3 systems -- 20GB, 40GB, 60GB, and 80GB -- have an equal chance in having problems with the update, so no one is safe.

There are currently numerous theories and workarounds being proposed by forum-goers, but no one fix has been found to fix everyone's 2.40 firmware woes.

Because of the widespread problems, Sony decided to pull firmware update. In a statement released this afternoon, the company said, "In order to further assess the issue, we have temporarily taken the firmware offline for further testing. We are working diligently to isolate the problem for those few consumers and to identify a solution before we put the firmware back up."

No other details were provided on when the "fixed" 2.40 firmware will be uploaded or if a 2.41 firmware will simply be issued to address the problems at hand.



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This blows!
By nerdye on 7/2/2008 7:20:02 PM , Rating: 3
Sometimes these things happen, xbox 360 had a bad firmware update like this in the past, and Sony has now repeated the unfortunate. I'm sorry for all the users that have bricked ps3's, I've had a red ring of death so I understand the pain for the most part. This blows!




RE: This blows!
By Odysseus145 on 7/2/2008 7:23:27 PM , Rating: 3
I too have experience the ring of death. I'm glad I was lazy and didn't update my brother's ps3.


RE: This blows!
By Nyamekye on 7/2/2008 7:25:47 PM , Rating: 2
Seems like they forgot to run the update thoroughly through quality control.


RE: This blows!
By bplewis24 on 7/2/2008 7:47:24 PM , Rating: 2
I've put in 2 hours of movie watching and several hours of gaming on the PS3 with no problems with 2.4.

Brandon


RE: This blows!
By mmntech on 7/2/2008 9:08:08 PM , Rating: 5
If your system wasn't bricked right away, it should be fine. I guess it happens when the PS3 tries to reboot after the update. Sony has to be more careful in the future. The build quality was one of the things that turned a lot of people on to the PS3 when Microsoft was having all the RRoD issues with the 360.

2.4 isn't that stellar anyway. The in-game XMB certainly wasn't what I thought it would be, or even what the video on the official PS blog claimed it would be. Sony claimed you could change sound output in game, it won't let me. They claimed I could play custom sound tracks, it won't let me do that either. I guess the game has to support it but they never explicitly said that. The in-game XMB also doesn't work for PS2 and PS1 games.


RE: This blows!
By StevoLincolnite on 7/3/2008 12:57:30 AM , Rating: 4
I find it rather frustrating personally, My Xbox 360 was only 6 weeks old before it started playing up to the point where none of the wireless controllers would work besides the Silver Home Button.

People have also had issues with bricked Wii's in the past.

All I have to say is... Where is the reliability that was in consoles that we were enjoying years ago with the NES and SNES? (Both of those consoles are still working perfectly here).

When I buy a Consoles, I hope for it to last for for 15+ Years like all the previous Machines I have, (NES, Snes, N64, Sega Master System, PS1 etc)
But now I'm actually worried that as soon as my warranty runs out, that will be the end of it.

Comon, Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft! Bring reliability back for peace of mind!


RE: This blows!
By MamiyaOtaru on 7/3/2008 2:02:00 AM , Rating: 2
hah right when consoles are getting formerly PC exclusive stuff like online play and mods, they pick up some of the downsides too, like higher prices (than older consoles) and the occasional brick. Are we going to meet in the middle?


RE: This blows!
By StevoLincolnite on 7/3/2008 3:21:21 AM , Rating: 3
So your saying, as technology improves, reliability decreases?

The Dreamcast had online play, Used Discs and what not, and it's still going to this day, My Xbox 1 console had the Hard Drive, Online play and what not and it's still going to this day, the only difference is the more powerful hardware, and extra features, but from what I can gather increasing performance or adding features should never come at the price of stability.


RE: This blows!
By EnzoFX on 7/3/2008 3:29:06 AM , Rating: 5
Maybe he's saying that's its progressed too fast, only in the sense that they're not taking the time to make things reliable. Everyone is in a hurry to rush out the next great set of features. We as customers are also to blame.
=P


RE: This blows!
By Ticholo on 7/3/2008 6:36:24 AM , Rating: 3
Actually I share his sentiment.
But the problem isn't the hardware, the consumers or even the manufacturers.
PS3 and XBOX360 are more like PCs than any console before. One big factor in that is a mindset for more updates and patches. Where the PS2 and the XBOX were fairly static devices, these new ones are constantly evolved through software much like PCs or PC hardware drivers.
I think this has more cons than pros. It adds a layer of complexity that on a PC, as an open platform that you may even have built yourself, is fairly easy to resolve even if you have to re-install your OS. But on a console, the manufacturer wants to control what you can do, so you are given less options to resolve these issues.
And then you don't expect to have to deal with things like these on consoles. Claiming hardware/feature progress isn't an excuse. If those things progress so should the way these problems are dealt with or anticipated.
Taking PC practices to consoles isn't a good idea. If people wanted PCs they'd buy PCs!


RE: This blows!
By StevoLincolnite on 7/3/2008 7:30:35 AM , Rating: 2
Well Personally there are ways to add functionality other than performing a firmware update, for instance they could just install the update onto a storage device like a HDD, or a Memory card, and when the console boots up it checks for these "Patches" and applies them.
Then if a patch goes wrong, it would be simple enough to just wipe the device and start again.

Or perhaps have a dual firmware system, where you can boot the console into sort of a "Safe Mode" and revert it back to it's original state.

Yes the Xbox and PS2 were "Static" devices, but calling the xbox 360 more of a PC than the original Xbox is not fairly accurate, hardware wise the Xbox 1 was more of a PC than the 360 thanks to the use of an x86 processor, plus it had down-loadable content from Xbox Live! Software updates and all that extra Jazz.

All I want is more reliability and Peace of mind, so far all companies have been guilty of the bricking, Including the Wii, 360 and the PS3.


RE: This blows!
By wallijonn on 7/3/2008 12:20:21 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Taking PC practices to consoles isn't a good idea. If people wanted PCs they'd buy PCs!


Imagine what would happen if your standalone BD player automatically updated its firmware and it bricked? People may expect that from a virus infected PC but not from a DVD player.

And yet that is exactly what will be happening - your phone, TV, PC, DVD, cable box, etc., will probably all one day have wireless Ethernet ports built in which will be automatically updated.

But all it really means is that we have all turned into beta testers. Unfortunately that may not be tolerated when it comes to stand alone players. In the past if it didn't play a movie you'd have to buy a new player (APEX days). Now with the Internet the news will be flashed around the world and will likely make the 5 o'clock news. Then sales will plummet.


RE: This blows!
By BansheeX on 7/3/2008 9:28:27 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
So your saying, as technology improves, reliability decreases?


No, as technology progresses, complexity increases. Higher complexity generally means more opportunities for bugs to occur and greater manpower needed to prevent them. The NES and SNES didn't even have a BIOS, so there was no chance that a firmware update could brick the system. Now we have that chance.

That said, I wonder why the first PS3 article we've had in months on DT is a negative one. There were numerous DT articles surrounding the Halo 3 release, but not a PEEP about MGS4, blu-ray, or recent sales numbers. No, let's instead report the first slip-up of the year. Sorry to sound like a conspiracist...


RE: This blows!
By Aloonatic on 7/3/2008 9:50:13 AM , Rating: 2
I didn't want to be the first to mention the lack of a "Metal Gear Solid 4 Day" as we usually get for long anticipated releases, e.g. Halo 3 and GTA4.

Especially as it is a major exclusive. Or maybe, if I may join you in conspiracists (or is that conspirators? We're not conspiring tho? I don't know) corner (?) it's this very reason why it didn't get much notice on here.

By the way, MGS4 is an awesome game, and the cut scenes aren't too bad either (maybe because you can pause them now) though reading up on the MGS history is a must before starting the game to get the most out of it I think.

It is, however, let down a little by the on-line play. Only a small hand full of maps and the servers don't seem to be up to the job. Does sometimes make you wonder if the £5/month xBox Live charge is worth it. I've lost count of the times I've been lining someone up in my sights only for them to disappear and the reappear a second or so later.

When it works it is great fun though, don't get me wrong.


RE: This blows!
By BansheeX on 7/3/2008 12:12:51 PM , Rating: 2
Wait, I almost forgot, Anandtech did review Haze! Yes, let's ignore ten far better exclusives including MGS4 and cherrypick the disappointments for front page reviews. That'll make Sony look bad! </conspiracy>


RE: This blows!
By sweetsauce on 7/5/2008 1:30:13 PM , Rating: 1
or it could be that all you idiot fanboys bitched at them for reviewing that retarded game so they decided not to review games anymore. That was pretty much a test review and you fanboys came out in great form to pretty much confirm what they suspected, that maybe they should just stay out of the game review business.


RE: This blows!
By StevoLincolnite on 7/4/2008 12:03:26 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
No, as technology progresses, complexity increases. Higher complexity generally means more opportunities for bugs to occur and greater manpower needed to prevent them. The NES and SNES didn't even have a BIOS, so there was no chance that a firmware update could brick the system. Now we have that chance.


Exactly, so you are saying "As Technology improves, reliability decreases". - No amount of fancy wording will hide that statement.


RE: This blows!
By Aloonatic on 7/4/2008 4:42:04 AM , Rating: 2
I guess he's saying that (as complexity increases) there's more opportunity for errors to occur, that's just common sense.

But end user reliability should not necessary increase automatically and unhindered.

If that were the case, imagine what the reliability of the much more complex xBox720 (or whatever it will be called) would be? *I'm not having a go, just using the xBox360 as an obvious example.

It will almost certainly (fingers crossed) be a much more reliable system than it's predecessor as they will put much more time/resources into making sure that this is the case.

Therefore I don't think it's unreasonable to say that the amount of effort required to maintain a certain level of reliability does increase as complexity increases however?


RE: This blows!
By BansheeX on 7/4/2008 8:37:08 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Exactly, so you are saying "As Technology improves, reliability decreases". - No amount of fancy wording will hide that statement.


No, that's NOT the equivalent of what I said. Reliability depends on the ability to do the job. Does the NES have a more reliable operating system than the PS3? It doesn't have an operating system, so it can't have a more reliable one. Go back to blowing on cartridges if that's your idea of reliability.


RE: This blows!
By StevoLincolnite on 7/4/2008 9:28:36 AM , Rating: 3
The Xbox used a modified Windows 2000 Operating System, and it was perfectly fine.

The NES, Snes and N64, heck even the Sega Master System, Sega Dreamcast, Sega Saturn, Sega Mega drive, Xbox 1, PSX, PS2, Gameboy, Gameboy Pocket, Gameboy Colour, Gameboy Advanced never exhibited these flaws.

Several of those listed have an "Operating System" - Which do not have any of the sort of issues currently shown in this generation of consoles, which throws your theory out of the window.

Cartridges were fine before the advent of Full 3D Acceleration, and non-portable devices, where the storage space was not a requirement.

Heck at least I know if one of the kids grabbed the cartridge, and left it lying on the floor that it would still work again, try that with a CD/DVD and see how long it lasts.

Also the older consoles didn't need an operating system, for the simple fact that programming directly for the hardware provided more performance allowing more processing headroom, these days because games are so complex, that middle-ware is required in order to provide acceptable game-production time, with little overhead.
Although, Game Producers are still able to some extent program directly for the hardware, it's still not performed very often.

PC's have gotten MORE and MORE powerful, yet the hardware/software stability issues have not increased (Remember the Blue screen of Death on the Win95 and 98 platforms? - That out-weighs most issues these days.)

So That is probably another reason that throws that particular theory out of the window.


RE: This blows!
By William Gaatjes on 7/6/2008 9:20:09 AM , Rating: 2
Nothing to do with that.

Either you can do the job or you can not. Simple.

We have come to the point where people accept everything.
I don't buy the new consoles cause the reasons i bought a console in the past are gone : Reliability , no hassle with updates, freedom to play when i want and what i want after i bought the game. All gone.

A occasional ppm failure is not an issue. But what i have seen with for example the xbox360 and now this with the ps3 is not acceptable for me.

You are all paying to be beta testers while instead you should be payed for it.

But then again nowadays it is normal to accept that everything has flawes because god forbid ,we should get quality control back again.

"If this update has flaws, we just make another one ! hahaha"

"God i love the EULA, the virtual chain around their legs"

We had the excuse 1:
It is to complex.

that excuse did not work with the pc, why ?

Since the pc can be build from numerous different pieces of hardware there was an general common api needed to make sure a given program works on any pc. That is why we have for example windows and directx. Alas , game companies did not always listen and microsoft solved compatibility problems with hacks.

Anyway, If i take for example the xbox360, these machines all have the same hardware, run at the same speed, etc etc.
So debugging is a lot easier. That is the whole trick, a common hardware platform.

Now you know 1 of the reasons why Apple is coupling hardware and software.
Common (a known hardware platform) hardware plaform.

So no excuse and this goes exactly for the PS3 and wii too.

IF it doesn't work they screwed you and you just have to deal with it.

Back in the old days there where people who enjoyed making the best hard and software possible for a given budget.

Now they just want budget. There is no drive , no spirit anymore. Just money money money.

I can remember when someone came with the idea to make games based similair as linux live cd's work.

A linux based kernel and build the game on top of it. Everything contained on a dvd. Load the stuff up in your pc and you can game. A good idea but to many parties who did not coöperate.


RE: This blows!
By afkrotch on 7/7/2008 7:50:17 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Now you know 1 of the reasons why Apple is coupling hardware and software.
Common (a known hardware platform) hardware plaform.


http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071030-some...

Whether you tie hardware to software, problems arise. Everything has problems. The original NES had problems. 10NES lockout chip anyone?

Nowadays, many issues can simply be solved with an update. No longer are we stuck with a bugged game, only waiting for a new version to get released or the next in a series of games.

I have Melty Blood: Act Cadenza for PS2. The main boss is bugged. It makes it purely luck that you beat the boss and no skill in the game helps. As it's a PS2 game, there are no updates you can download. Instead you must spend more money on ver. B that fixes the flaw.

Also additions/changes to the game. Adding new music to Guitar Hero/Rock Band, updated rosters for Madden, new tracks, cars, maps, character costumes, etc. Minor additions created for the game, so you can enjoy it longer.

How about getting demos, videos, etc. Sure, you might run into a bug here or there, but the list of new features never before seen in a console makes it well worth the troubles.

But hey, car companies make lemons sometimes. Do you not buy a car? Even cars come out with problems.


RE: This blows!
By Alexstarfire on 7/3/2008 4:24:14 AM , Rating: 2
The thing with the Wii was a very minor problem though, least from what I read. Anyways, it doesn't matter, they still shouldn't have happened.

BTW, did they ever figure out what made some Wiis mess up?


RE: This blows!
By 4wardtristan on 7/3/2008 6:17:32 PM , Rating: 2
geneally, afaik, bricked wiis are the result of trying to update other region systems

ie updating a NTSC console with PAL firmware and vise versa

when does this situation most likely arise? when people have their wii modchipped... (wiikiey, d2cpro etc)

so their own fault.


RE: This blows!
By Fusible on 7/3/2008 12:42:50 PM , Rating: 2
I haven't had single problem I actually like the XMB been accessible, although I do notice it takes a second or 2 to load the XMB menus when I do it from in game.


RE: This blows!
By ajfink on 7/2/2008 10:11:00 PM , Rating: 2
Installed fine on mine as well, but it's just been folding since the update.


RE: This blows!
By moshin on 7/5/2008 2:21:54 AM , Rating: 2
I didnt get a chance to install 2.4 because I was at work and figured I would download it when I got home. Well, it was pulled from the site before I had a chance.

It was driving me crazy that people were on 2.4 and geeking out their gamer cards with super stardust. So this morning I decided to sniff out the .pup file and update via memory stick. I backed up my saved games and went for the gusto.

While 2.4 doesnt really feel the way i thought it would, im sure it will moving forward as devs begin to embrace it.

I personally feel that this issue is way too hyped. Many, many stories of things being okay. Not too many of peoples nightmares. Thats why after 2-3 days, i decided to give it a whirl. Btw, Freezing the OS is NOT bricking.


RE: This blows!
By afkrotch on 7/2/2008 10:34:31 PM , Rating: 2
Odds are, they ran it through QC, but none of their consoles popped up with these issues. Notice how the article mentions that "some" are having the issues not "all".


RE: This blows!
By pomaikai on 7/2/2008 7:26:40 PM , Rating: 2
im always warry of firmware updates with pc hardware and now with 360 and ps3 its like a firmware update since you cant just reload the os.


RE: This blows!
By Goty on 7/2/08, Rating: 0
RE: This blows!
By mfed3 on 7/2/2008 11:22:12 PM , Rating: 2
actually it was mostly the modders who hacked their dvd firmware who had bricking problems (known as the infamous halo 3 update)


RE: This blows!
By Hiawa23 on 7/3/2008 9:52:42 AM , Rating: 2
I downloaded the update & no issues on my PS3. I messed around with the features, but the trophies are not even available for all games yet, & some devs have said they are not updating their games for this. I think it's cool that Sony finally got this out, but it feels kind of tacked on whereas, LIVE's features just feels more fluid & achievements feels like it's apart of the 360 experience.


OH hai thur
By Rodney McNaggerton on 7/2/2008 9:44:50 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
The 2.40 brought a number of improvements to the platform including in-game XMB accesses, a new Trophy system similar in concept to Xbox 360 Achievements, and the ability for gamers to use music playlists within games

Hello PS3 owners, welcome to the future, you're about a year and a half late. I know I'm going to get rated down for my sarcasm, but my point is right on.




RE: OH hai thur
By Totally on 7/2/2008 10:00:48 PM , Rating: 2
Kinda pointless if you ask me, online achievements? <16yr olds and retards with nothing better to do w/ their lives than flash their e-penor around? who cares. I'd rather have H.264 and other video formats supported than just .wmv, divx, and .avi.


RE: OH hai thur
By afkrotch on 7/2/2008 10:56:45 PM , Rating: 2
I'm with you on that one. These are just useless features to me.

When I play a game, I don't want to bring up in-game music or even be playing music while in-game. I do like being able to access the XMB though.

Achievements. Don't care. Once I'm done with a game, I'm not going to go back and waste my time trying to unlock achievements that requires some stupid task. Always those really gay achievement like "you beat the game on easy mode 10 different times."


RE: OH hai thur
By Alexvrb on 7/3/2008 8:29:54 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Always those really gay achievement like "you beat the game on easy mode 10 different times."

Which game does this exactly? Also, I think you're looking at achievements the wrong way. They're a measure of how much of the game you've played and/or played exceptionally (depending on the developer's preferences). But you aren't required to do anything with them. You just play through the game as you always would, and you might get some achievements.

But the achievements are also there for those people who are going to do everything they can in a game anyway, they get something that says as much. So when they're bragging about how they performed such-and-such awesome task, maybe they'll have a little proof to back them up.

You don't have to play games any different if you don't care about achievements. Just because they're "useless" doesn't mean they're not cool to have. I could say that for strictly gaming, an internet browser is useless. That doesn't mean it isn't cool and useful to others.


RE: OH hai thur
By afkrotch on 7/7/2008 7:23:17 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Which game does this exactly? Also, I think you're looking at achievements the wrong way. They're a measure of how much of the game you've played and/or played exceptionally (depending on the developer's preferences). But you aren't required to do anything with them. You just play through the game as you always would, and you might get some achievements.


Dead Rising. Kill like 2000 something zombies, which require you to spend hours running around killing zombies over and over again. My friend actually did this. He spent like 2-3 hours in a car driving back and forth down a tunnel killing zombies.

There are some FPS games that have like get 1000 knife kills or some crap. Which you end up with online matches where a knife is your only weapon. If you didn't, no one would probably have such an achievement.

Also what kind of achievement would it be, if you get a few by just playing the game? If you go to a 5K run, walk the whole thing, and finish, was that much of an achievement?

quote:
But the achievements are also there for those people who are going to do everything they can in a game anyway, they get something that says as much. So when they're bragging about how they performed such-and-such awesome task, maybe they'll have a little proof to back them up.


Ya, so will the thousands of others who did the same "awesome" task. Either way, when I hear ppl talk about doing such-and-such, there's no achievement tied into it anyways.

quote:
You don't have to play games any different if you don't care about achievements. Just because they're "useless" doesn't mean they're not cool to have. I could say that for strictly gaming, an internet browser is useless. That doesn't mean it isn't cool and useful to others.


I don't play my games any differently. It's also only cool to have if you think it's cool. Personally, I think you're uncool, if you wasted your time unlocking all the achievements for all the games you have.

That's the problem I see with achievements. They are either extremely easy to achieve, so that everyone and their mother could unlock it or requires you to waste an excessive amount of time to achieve it. At which point, achieving it only makes you that much of a loser. You decide whether it's "cool" or not.


RE: OH hai thur
By nemrod on 7/3/2008 6:13:31 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
quote: The 2.40 brought a number of improvements to the platform including in-game XMB accesses, a new Trophy system similar in concept to Xbox 360 Achievements, and the ability for gamers to use music playlists within games

Hello PS3 owners, welcome to the future, you're about a year and a half late. I know I'm going to get rated down for my sarcasm, but my point is right on.


Yes, sony said to his developpers to copy xbox 360 feature. One of them has understand he should implant also the free game "Russian Roulette Of Destruction..."


RE: OH hai thur
By jabber on 7/3/2008 8:55:56 AM , Rating: 2
Well as a 360 owner I have to say kudos to Sony for at least still bothering to develop and bring new features to the PS3 even if they do slip up now and then.

Seems to me MS have pretty much wound down development on the 360 and all we've had is a half-hearted attempt to give us some xvid/divx capability. We still dont have modern LCD screen resolutions yet.

Not great. 360 is starting to stagnate I feel. New BD capable console in the wings soon I reckon.


RE: OH hai thur
By Aloonatic on 7/4/2008 4:16:56 AM , Rating: 2
And as a Wii owner (as well as 360 and PS3) I would like to welcome PS3 owners to the future too, after blatantly stealing a Wii feature which was a massive leap forward in console operating systems/firmware and worth taking the risk to update as soon as possible.....

A clock on the main XMB menu :)


Broken Testing Process
By Leirith on 7/2/2008 7:42:24 PM , Rating: 3
With such a widespread problem sneaking through the testing process, it sounds like Sony's testing staff have a lot to answer for.




RE: Broken Testing Process
By MasterBotter on 7/2/2008 8:55:13 PM , Rating: 5
Yeah, they replied with "duh... that's how we did it back in Microsoft!"


RE: Broken Testing Process
By thebrown13 on 7/2/2008 9:04:14 PM , Rating: 2
Shaddap


RE: Broken Testing Process
By Bull Dog on 7/2/2008 9:25:34 PM , Rating: 2
ROFL! +1


RE: Broken Testing Process
By aeroxander on 7/3/2008 8:36:59 AM , Rating: 2
Ummm not sure its as wide spread as DT would like to make it out to be. I updated to 2.4 and had no problems (knocks on wood)

Not sure that there have actually been any numbers released as to how many. RROD that was widespread, however with this being so serious good on Sony to pull it.


2.4 is good for me
By tirminyl on 7/2/2008 9:43:52 PM , Rating: 3
Updated to 2.4 as soon as it was released. No problems for me at all.




RE: 2.4 is good for me
By afkrotch on 7/2/2008 11:17:37 PM , Rating: 2
I have a Japanese PS3. Wonder if their users have big issues with Japanese 2.4.


RE: 2.4 is good for me
By mles1551 on 7/2/2008 11:36:15 PM , Rating: 2
I have a launch 60gb and didn't have any problems with the update.

I like the XMB access, but could care less about Trophies.


RE: 2.4 is good for me
By Aloonatic on 7/3/2008 4:52:57 AM , Rating: 2
I'll add to the chorus of "I'm alright" posts :)

I have a launch (UK) 60GB PS3, updated without a problem.

I noticed a few people moaning on MGS4 on-line afterwards tho.

I'm not sure what they were complaining about however, they couldn't have had their consoles bricked and be on-line? Perhaps something else is going on?

Personally, I think the trophy thing is a nice extra feature. The achievements do add a little extra to the xBox 360 (IMHO) and don't do any harm.

Playing CoD4 on the 360 is a little more fun due to the achievements, as is GTA4.

It'll be interesting to see if gaining trophy's will allow people to download extra content and such for taking the time and effort to achieve (not sure if suing that word would be a breach of copyright :) ) these trophies.

There has to be some reason to bother to do it other than extending the mythical, and presumably gender neutral, e-penis? Or do girls have e-breasts?


RE: 2.4 is good for me
By ATC on 7/4/2008 12:36:24 AM , Rating: 2
Yep, same here. Been on 2.40 since yesterday without a single issue.

I am however a little disappointed in the update in that they left out the feature I and many others have really wanted for a long time; the ability to charge the controller through USB while the system is in Standby mode. Come on Sony, this can't be that hard to implement.


But...
By Kyanzes on 7/3/2008 5:02:01 AM , Rating: 2
I could be wrong ofc but shouldn't Sony have a specimen from each released PS3 version ever sold? Would make sense for them to test the patch on all systems before releasing it.




RE: But...
By nemrod on 7/3/2008 6:17:46 AM , Rating: 2
There is a lot of parameters, tolerance for electonic device and so on...

I have heard, but i don't now, that this problem could be related to hdd. As on ps3 you have the right to change the hdd.


RE: But...
By MozeeToby on 7/3/2008 10:07:38 AM , Rating: 2
From what I've heard, the vast majority of consoles patched worked without problem. I doubt that Sony has a couple hundred ps3's just sitting around to test the next patch on so if something goes wrong 1% of the time they aren't likely to find it.

Maybe what they should do is have ~5000 people sign up to beta test the patches. They get the patch a week early with the gaurantee that if anything goes wrong Sony will take care of it. I know, making the users beta test is generally considered a horrible idea, but in this case I don't see any other way to test in the numbers that it would require to ensure quality.


Software/Firmware update rule #1...
By kilkennycat on 7/2/2008 9:30:42 PM , Rating: 2
... never be first, regardless of supplier assurances. There are plenty of non-tech lemmings, especially in the console world, to act as trial bait. "Fools rush in where angels fear to tread". Wait at least a few days for user-reaction.

For me, a painful time-consuming experience originally gained long ago in the PeeCee system/applications world. At least for modern PCs, effective recovery mechanisms can be put in place in advance of a patch.




By DanoruX on 7/3/2008 12:18:37 AM , Rating: 2
I rushed in because I know I can revert the thing back to the way it was ;)


Marcus Yam where have you been?
By Chaser on 7/3/2008 11:46:38 AM , Rating: 3
No doubt this is very significant news for the PS3 but there's been other news recently as well. Such as the exclusive blockbuster release of Metal Gear Solid 4 reviewed by Gamespot as a "Masterpiece", sold more than 1 million copies its first day worldwide, and raised PS3 sales numbers substantially.

Just a thought.




No Wai
By Totally on 7/2/2008 9:35:18 PM , Rating: 2
I updated this afternoon (about 7hrs ago) no problems whatsoever.

I was updated all the way up to 2.36




At least it's not Hardware
By rupaniii on 7/3/2008 8:35:59 AM , Rating: 2
I just have alot more confidence in the PS3 since it doesn't have a manufacturing defect that is known to the manufacturer and they sell it anyway.




Nice photo
By Seemonkeyscanfly on 7/3/2008 11:48:11 AM , Rating: 2
I'm posting something firm they can ware and it's more then 2.40




hi
By david311 on 7/4/2008 11:35:46 PM , Rating: 2
my ps3 did not have a problem with 2.40




No excuse!
By EricMartello on 7/2/08, Rating: -1
RE: No excuse!
By afkrotch on 7/2/2008 11:15:07 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, lets leave out user replaceable hard drives, controllers that aren't made by Sony, games that aren't created by Sony, and whatever else.

You can run into issues where GTAIV has issues with the firmware and bricks the system.

The 360 and PS3's firmware isn't like a computer's firmware. Their firmware is more like firmware + OS. As they're tied together, a flaw in the OS becomes a flaw in the firmware portion also. This causes issues like bricked systems or whatever other problems.

If they were kept segregated like on a PC, we'd just get the standard gamut of BSODs, kernel panics, etc and not a non-POSTing PC.

Course at the same time, how many firmware updates on PC have you had cause issues? I've had plenty where I had to revert back to an older firmware. Asus, Abit, Gigabyte, MSI, etc. Their firmwares aren't perfect either.


RE: No excuse!
By EricMartello on 7/3/08, Rating: -1
RE: No excuse!
By ZaethDekar on 7/4/2008 6:18:43 PM , Rating: 1
Just so you know, ANY electronic device with an OS has been hacked. Now what could have happened is these people installed something onto their PS3 and is trying to read something that is no longer there. Thus is stops working.

You can't blame everything on the manufacturer. Now if it bricked every PS3, that is way different then some PS3's.


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