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Discs will start out with 300GB capacity

Sony and Panasonic are working on a new Archival Disc standard that is aimed at the professional data storage market. As its name implies, the discs have been designed to endure the rigors of long-term storage.
 
The discs are able to withstand dust environments, are water-resistant, and can survive humidity changes during storage. One of the big benefits of using optical discs to store data is that the discs are inter-generational compatible. That means that the discs are backwards compatible so the hardware used to make and read the discs won’t go extinct.
 
Under the agreement, Sony and Panasonic have formulated the Archival Disc specifications along with the technology roadmap, logo, and specifications.
 
The first Archival Disks will land in the summer of 2015 with a capacity of 300GB (double sided, three layers per disc). The discs will expand in capacity later to 500GB and eventually reach 1TB of capacity each.

Source: Sony



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Cool but...
By deltaend on 3/10/14, Rating: 0
RE: Cool but...
By kleinma on 3/10/2014 9:47:57 AM , Rating: 5
You mean like... archiving stuff?


RE: Cool but...
By jeepga on 3/10/2014 11:20:04 AM , Rating: 2
Give this guy a 6.


RE: Cool but...
By deltaend on 3/11/2014 12:10:47 PM , Rating: 1
Archiving what exactly? And for that matter, how much of a pain is it going to be to update that archive if it is on a disc that takes over 4 hours to burn a TB? Seriously, data storage methodologies have massively changed and now we have data de-duplication, delta compression, cheap RAID arrays, and cloud storage. Even at an amazing 1TB for disc storage, you will find yourself having to spend enormous amounts of time copying data.

Data value has also changed. The further we go forward, the less valuable old data becomes. This is different from the days where data used to retain it's value for longer and burning it to disc where it wasn't easy to update was more acceptable.

Even in the archival realm, I see this as a niche product that will likely be relegated to housing video only.


RE: Cool but...
By drlumen on 3/10/2014 11:41:15 AM , Rating: 4
There may not be that many individual customers but the customers that will need this media will need massive amounts.

Hollywood media companies, and even small media providers, have been wrestling with this issue for some years now.

Even a lot of home consumers could use this. They will be able to store home movies of juniors first steps without having to worry (not as much) about losing it over time.

I'm glad that they are at least addressing the issue - even if it may not be readily affordable to the masses.


RE: Cool but...
By BZDTemp on 3/10/2014 5:51:40 PM , Rating: 2
Considering the effort it takes to maintain an archive ones personal archive moving data from generation of storage to another I'm certainly in if the price is reasonable.

A generation or two ago it was all about family photo albums and maybe a box with movies, but now it is all digital and if one doesn't put in the effort all the bytes disappear.
You may be able to read a 15 year old CD-R just fine, but there is no guarantee. A 15 year old hard drive may require and equally old PC or at least some special adapters and even then the old drive may not wanna spin up. Even if you printed out the pictures on paper then unless you used special durable ink those prints may be getting pretty tired.

I think that if marketed right then there could be a pretty big market for a archive solutions that it more user friendly than todays tape solutions.


RE: Cool but...
By Strunf on 3/11/2014 9:00:21 AM , Rating: 3
The thing is that it's much easier to move the data from a HDD solution to another HDD solution than from tape to another tape or from disc to another disc, at the end of the day what matters is the capacity per unit and transfer rate and the HDD win on both cases.

The huge advantage of HDD is that at least there will always be the possibility to at least connect an HDD to a computer, tapes and other media require proprietary equipment that is probably poorly documented, what I mean by this is that even in 100 years it will be much easier to make a SATA/IDE interface than a optical/tape reader.


better ingredients, better product
By pithhelmet on 3/10/2014 10:34:05 AM , Rating: 2
maybe if they would stop using the cheapest materials, these darn DVD's would have a better shelf life...




RE: better ingredients, better product
By ipay on 3/10/2014 10:49:10 AM , Rating: 2
Requires that consumer demand that and be willing to pay for it. If the uninformed only show on price, then junk will remain the most common option.


RE: better ingredients, better product
By ipay on 3/10/2014 11:10:40 AM , Rating: 2
*show=shop


By Strunf on 3/11/2014 8:34:24 AM , Rating: 2
It's not really the consumer fault, companies want to maximize profits and the consumer get to pay the bill, DVD, and BR are inherently cheaper to produce than VHS tapes, have you seen the price go down when they switched of media ? I haven't for them this switch was just another way to increase the profits.


RE: better ingredients, better product
By npcomplete on 3/10/2014 11:20:02 AM , Rating: 2
Good DVD media already have an excellent shelf-life. Easily an order of magnitude longer than hard drives. Verbatim's AZO-coated disc is excellent and so are Taiyo-Yuden's. It should be noted that good media really depends on the media id, this is the formulation and manufacturing methods that are licensed out. In Verbatim's "AZO" branded case it's MCC-004. Every burner will have specific "write strategies" for a whole list of media-ids.

M-Disc's DVDs are also great as well, but are definitely expensive.


By Strunf on 3/11/2014 8:41:55 AM , Rating: 1
I highly doubt that DVD-R media has a longer shelf life than HDD, more so if you take into account that a single HDD can contain the same storage as almost 1000 DVD-R, and it's much easier and faster to transfer the contents from a HDD to another media than from a DVD-R to something else.


Think bigger...
By Arkive on 3/10/2014 12:01:34 PM , Rating: 2
Think outside the box being handed to you.

Step 1) Create new storage format.
Step 2) Gain acceptance with disc/drive manufactuers.
Step 3) Supercede Bluray when the time comes.
Step 4) Profit hugely off movies/games/licensing.

Sony doesn't want another a Bluray/HD-DVD battle. They're preempting that battle with what is being presented as an innocuous standard so it can hopefully gain traction and already be in place when the time comes.




RE: Think bigger...
By tastyratz on 3/10/2014 3:14:08 PM , Rating: 2
when the time comes?
If they can develop an optical disk that holds more for reasonable cost then there is always the time. Make me a disc that holds 2tb and costs $20 a blank and sign me up for a burner.

Realistically this is targeting a different market. HDD's are fragile by nature, a securely stored Optical that won't fail outside of a completely inert environment could be worth gold.
For it to work they would have to completely ditch organic materials unlike home burned disc's now.


By dannyvanhooy on 3/10/2014 12:43:47 PM , Rating: 2
Mitsubishi ARLEDIA, long-term DVD-R optical media storage has this longer. They are using gold and silver for a long storage. This is not a world shocking news.




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