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Sony's Ken Kutaragi
Sony revises its PS3 launch schedule

Well, here's some rather interesting news from the Sony camp. Sony has originally planned on a November 17 global launch for the PlayStation 3, but those plans have been completely hosed. It is now reported that Sony will delay the launch of the PS3 in Europe until March of 2007. To make matters even worse, Sony is only going to make available 500,000 total units split between the United States (400,000) on November 17 and Japan (100,000) on November 11.

"We decided to focus on the Japanese and U.S. markets. I am so sorry not to be able to answer to all the expectations," said Sony CEO Ken Kutaragi. Problems with manufacturing blue laser diodes are putting a serious strain on PS3 production and are part of the reason for the delay and low launch numbers. Kutaragi went on to say “We've been working hard to try to tackle the problem, but we see the delay is inevitable."

Mass production of Sony's Cell processor isn't even expected to start until the end of this month according to Kutaragi. And as a result of this production snag, Sony has revised its shipping estimates from 4 million units at the end of 2006 to just 2 million. Bottom line: if you thought you were going to have trouble getting a PS3 this year, your chances just got much worse.

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i guess...
By Xavian on 9/6/2006 9:14:30 AM , Rating: 3
I guess that means they lied about their 'worldwide' launch in november.

Since Sony has lied about the PS3 virtually through-out its development, its no shocker right now.

This delay in Europe and poor amounts of units shipped to US and Japan (Japan will only get 100,000), will only strengthen Nintendo and Microsofts position. Now Nintendo is in the perfect launch position, poised to launch in europe with only the 360 as its competition and with a much larger amount of units available to compete in the US and Japan.

The problem i see with Sony, is that Europe since the Playstation has been Sonyland, virtually no other console came close to the Playstation/2 in Europe, now they have abandoned their userbase in that region for 4-5 months. This is more than enough for either Nintendo or Microsoft to establish a foothold in europe and take over the market (considering Europe likes Nintendo Machines more then Microsoft's i'd say Nintendo has a greater chance of doing it).

In Japan the Wii will crush the PS3 in unit sales simply because the hype for the Wii is about the same if not higher than the PS3 in Japan, but Nintendo will have the units to supply, Sony wont.

The US seems to be the only market Sony could possibly gain from this, with the largest amount of units heading there, they could be market leader, however in the US it seems the competition will be at its most feirce, with Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony having well established fanbases there, it could be the closest battle we have seen for quite some time.

RE: i guess...
By rushfan2006 on 9/6/2006 10:42:07 AM , Rating: 1
Explain to me how its called "lying" just because a company pushes back a launch/release date on its product? If changing a release date is lying then guess what -- many many companies are lying all the time then not just Sony. There's a reason its beyond rare for a company to announce a release date as a solid "promise"....lots of factors, mostly budgetary/financial ones come into play during a product's "life" to get ready for launch. Release dates are estimations, projections....they can't foresee development or supply chain issues any more than a weather forecaster can foresee the EXACT weather that will happen next month -- today.

And finally I'd like to add its entertaining how folks overestimate the influence a game console will have on the "HD format wars"....WORLDWIDE there is what 100 MILLION PS2, Xbox AND Xbox 360 game consoles -- and that is even highly ambitious. Meanwhile there is some 2 BILLION TV sets in the world. Telling me there are FAR more people who likely have no interest in game consoles but they watch tv, further leading me to believe this same group of people carries MUCH MUCH more influence over the format wars than the consoles/console buyers do.

RE: i guess...
By Xavian on 9/6/2006 11:44:12 AM , Rating: 4
First i never mentioned the HD format wars. Second, yes companies push back products from time to time, however Sony executives time after time said yes it will be on time. Hell right up to a few weeks ago they were still giving interviews saying it would be on time. This was announced 1 day after the PS3 EUROPE ad campaign started, they were giving out leaflets and adverts which said 'PS3 launching in Europe in November 06'.

Consider this, the diode shortages would have been well known to Sony before the announcement, why continue the plan to advertise the launch in the EU in November 06 even though they knew of the shortages weeks beforehand. Because they blatently lied, thats why, they lied to try and keep people from buying competitor products.

I'd love to be in the cheerly land you are living in where Sony doesn't lie consistantly about its products.

Examples of Sony Lies: How about the FMV's that sony claimed where actual ingame videos of the PS3 in action? or the 4 HDMI ports that were reduced to 1 on the premium and 0 on the standard? or saying that motion sensing is a gimmick then including it in your own controller? or saying that rumble didnt work with the motion sensing tech, when infact they couldn't use the rumble tech anymore? or saying that they would not use multiple SKU's on their PS3, yet they did, the list goes on and on.

Sony is constantly lying and this is yet another lie they told in order to keep people from buying competing products. Also Ken Katuragi also said there would be 2 Million PS3's available at launch... another lie?

Sony is backpeddling so much, they dont how to go forward.

RE: i guess...
By rushfan2006 on 9/6/2006 12:40:03 PM , Rating: 1
First I didn't mean you said anything with the format wars..I was just adding those comments while posting about the PS3 in a PS3 related thread anyway...I do admit after I read the post I did a horrible job at separating my response to you directly and my little rant there.

Back on topic to your post directly...Its quite obvious you are far more passionate about the PS3 console than I am. To me it makes little difference if it releases today, next year or in a decade. However, I'm hard pressed to believe that they lied. Lying implies INTENTIONAL deceit.

RE: i guess...
By otispunkmeyer on 9/7/2006 5:56:02 AM , Rating: 3
i dont think its been intentional lying. just that one arm doesnt know what the other is doing the PR people are promising this that and the t'other and then when they get back to the office they find that the manufacturing lot have said it cant be done, then the back peddling begins.

that combined with what is very probably denial. they know its going tits up but didnt wanna admit it until it was too late.

so i dont think its intentional lying, its just the business machine really isnt functioning properly

RE: i guess...
By Scorpion on 9/6/2006 12:45:21 PM , Rating: 2
Do you understand the concept between "lying" and "horrible forecasting" or "terrible business planning"?

You're using the wrong language in your arguement, it makes you seem pretty inept at making any point.

RE: i guess...
By gramboh on 9/6/06, Rating: 0
RE: i guess...
By Xavian on 9/6/2006 2:08:26 PM , Rating: 1
yes... using FMV of games and saying they were movies using the ingame engine is 'terrible business planning' and/or 'horrible forcasting', there are more examples but that is a distinct one.

If, after these past few months, you cannot see that sony does lie, then all hope is lost.

RE: i guess...
By Strunf on 9/6/2006 3:47:12 PM , Rating: 2
SONY keeps telling us lies after lies ... the blue laser problems are known since the day they started making them, the same with the CELL and so on... MOST of the problems the IT companies complain of are perfectly predictable since the day they start sampling their prototypes, so yes there’s plenty of IT companies that keep telling us lies...

BTW we have absolute control over what we build, we however have no control over the weather hence why we can predict the yields of something based on a small sample while the weather forecasting is rather inaccurate if we are predicting what it will be in a month.

RE: i guess...
By rushfan2006 on 9/7/2006 10:18:35 AM , Rating: 2
BTW we have absolute control over what we build, we however have no control over the weather hence why we can predict the yields of something based on a small sample while the weather forecasting is rather inaccurate if we are predicting what it will be in a month.

Wrong. The ultimate wrong assumption of mankind is the illusion that they have total and ultimate control over anything. We can control quality, we can plan endlessly, to increase the CHANCE of a high quality/desired results. However there is no guarantees -- such is live and the nature of it. There's no way to predict unforseen financial problems, supply chain issues, workforce issues, production machine issues..maybe the supplies you need to BUILD a critical part were in a truck that had an accident on the way to the facility and it all got destroyed.

So absolute control is an illusion at best, and straight out fantasy at worse.

RE: i guess...
By rushfan2006 on 9/7/2006 10:19:32 AM , Rating: 2
*are no

RE: i guess...
By Strunf on 9/7/2006 9:48:14 PM , Rating: 2
"However there is no guarantees"
Sure there are ... if you make something to work and conceive it correctly it will work 99% (or more) of the time. In the case of SONY I don’t have any doubts the yields were perfectly predictable from the start, the moment you start sampling the pieces for the prototypes you can have a very good figure of the yields, it's like the CELL, IBM has been speaking of the yields since a really long time, probably since the day they made their first sample.

"maybe the supplies you need to BUILD a critical part were in a truck that had an accident on the way to the facility and it all got destroyed."
Hence why most companies don’t wait till the last minute for a critical component, they not only think sometimes YEARS ahead but make sure their supplier has enough pieces for them and maybe even think of another just in case... in the case of SONY they can buy the blue diodes from Pioneer since they said they don’t have any problem and will fully respect their engagements...

As a parent & video game player...
By jskirwin on 9/6/2006 10:34:35 AM , Rating: 5
I had been planning to score a PS3 for my Kid's Christmas present. However Sony's mismanagement of this console has raised serious doubts about "upgrading" from a PS2 to a PS3.
Even the Kid has expressed a new-found liking of the Xbox.

Let's consider this rationally.

1. I'm not going to fight for one of the available PS3s in Nov. There is nothing more embarrassing than a bunch of suburbanites trying to overcome their guilt for being crappy parents by buying their kids "the hottest toy of the season". Christmas rolls around a few days after my family returns from safari in the Serengeti and I wouldn't have time to play that game even if I had wanted to.

2. I don't want Blu-Ray. I don't have HD TV (yet), and even if I did I am not ready to upgrade my DVD collection - especially to a format that may not be around in five years.

3. I don't like being force-fed technology. If I wanted Blu-Ray I would have asked for it. I want a next generation video game system - nothing more, nothing less.

4. If I don't buy PS3 this fall, I probably won't buy it at all. Xbox 360 will be hitting its stride, and those games will be pretty appealing when the Kid & I visit EB.

5. Crysis will be out soon. I've already begun upgrading my home network to support this game, Far Cry's successor. Far Cry has been a household favorite since its release, and with the added horsepower of some nice PCI-e vid cards and OC'd Core 2 Duos, would PS3 really be able to compete with it anyway?

Sony is showing waaaay too much drama. I don't do drama anymore. I'm too old for it and would prefer to live without it.

So long, Sony.

By Xavian on 9/6/2006 11:46:52 AM , Rating: 2
personally, it sounds like the Wii may be the perfect console for you and your kid.

RE: As a parent & video game player...
By robber98 on 9/6/2006 2:25:19 PM , Rating: 2
I don't understand... You won't buy PS3 becase you can't take advantage of it's HD video output, then why bother XBox360?

RE: As a parent & video game player...
By jskirwin on 9/6/2006 3:01:30 PM , Rating: 2
You won't buy PS3 becase you can't take advantage of it's HD video output, then why bother XBox360?

I buy a video game console for GAMING. I could count the number of times on one hand where I've used my PS2 to watch a movie. The Xbox 360 has better graphics than my PS2 and seems to be hitting it's stride when it comes to new titles.

This cross-over talk - from M$ and Sony - means nothing to me. You want me to buy your system? Make excellent games for it. I don't expect to watch TV on the fridge, nor do I expect the stove to keep my food cold. Why is this so hard to understand?

I am giving serious thought to the Wii. After all, $200 seems like a pittance after waiting for the PS3 for over a year.

The only thing holding me back is Mercenaries 2: World in Flames. This appears to be a PS3-only title at this point, and I am going to have serious difficulties NOT spending $500 on the PS3 if this doesn't change. Mercenaries was one of the best games I played on PS2 - or any other console for that matter.

RE: As a parent & video game player...
By surt on 9/6/2006 3:45:13 PM , Rating: 2
People are interested in crossover devices for the same reason that few people carry both a pager and cellphone, or own separate freezers and refridgerators.

Unified devices take up less space, cost less to run, cost less to buy, etc ....

Why on earth would you want to have to buy two different entertainment devices to sit under your tv?

By jimmy43 on 9/6/2006 4:14:12 PM , Rating: 2
2 Good Reasons:

1.Standalone devices are almost always better than their combined counterparts, with virtually no exception. For example Ipod+Razr > Ridicoulously crappy itunes phone.

2.Way Easier to replace and upgrade.

I can see...
By cscpianoman on 9/6/2006 8:36:07 AM , Rating: 2
Microsoft leaping for joy on this news. The holiday season is going to be flooded with Nintendo and Microsoft. I am willing to bet once PS3 launches they will go for no less than $1000. That is a serious "ouch" for Sony.

RE: I can see...
By mendocinosummit on 9/6/2006 8:58:19 AM , Rating: 3
Ya, but they will all sell out though. If they had a completely succesful launch customers might be a little more cautious of the high price tag. Now the hardcore and status customers are going to buy it despite the launch the price.

RE: I can see...
By therealnickdanger on 9/6/2006 9:04:44 AM , Rating: 2
I think we knew from the beginning that only the hard core fanboys and early adopters would be buying the first couple shipments anyway. This will just up the fervor to be the first on the block.


RE: I can see...
By h0kiez on 9/6/06, Rating: 0
RE: I can see...
By CU on 9/6/2006 9:49:46 AM , Rating: 2
I was thinking the same thing. I may buy a PS3 just to ebay. Assumming I can find one.

RE: I can see...
By gramboh on 9/6/2006 12:57:46 PM , Rating: 2
I'm doing the same, might go investigate some preoders. Definetely be able to get over $1K USD on eBay in December for one.

RE: I can see...
By jimmy43 on 9/6/06, Rating: 0
1.5M units for Xbox 360 on launch?!? haha
By Shakkan on 9/6/2006 1:34:59 PM , Rating: 2
OP, get your facts straight.
It was more like 400K units.
DailyTech needs to do some more research. :\

RE: 1.5M units for Xbox 360 on launch?!? haha
By Josh7289 on 9/6/2006 2:24:51 PM , Rating: 2
It really doesn't matter. With about 5 million units sold so far, and probably two or three more million by the end of the year, at least, Microsoft has such a large lead over Sony right now and in the near future that Sony cannot possibly, and physically, catch up. People are going to see the next gen systems, see they're about the same, and go with the one that is cheaper+available.

RE: 1.5M units for Xbox 360 on launch?!? haha
By Shakkan on 9/6/2006 2:38:44 PM , Rating: 1
Yep, they got a lead right now because there's no other next-gen console available. 360 still has no killer apps as far as I know (except for DR, but it's short).

Wait 'til the DMC/MGS/FF/GT lineup arrives. :|

I'd consider a 360 if it had games, but alas...

By jimmy43 on 9/6/2006 4:19:32 PM , Rating: 2
Whats the point of comparing future titles to already released ones. I dont think even half of those are going to be exclusive. Remember developers go where the money is, if the 360 has 5x the user base then that is where the games will be.

RE: 1.5M units for Xbox 360 on launch?!? haha
By Xavian on 9/6/2006 2:42:02 PM , Rating: 2
the amount was 400,000 for the US market, 300,000 for the Japanese Market and 300,000 for the EU market.

Sure its not 1.5Mill for launch, but it is twice that of the PS3, it was considered a disaster... whats this? its going to cause twice the problems microsoft had.

By Alexvrb on 9/7/2006 2:12:20 AM , Rating: 2
Good point. Sony delayed and delayed, and STILL can't even deliver as many units as MS, let alone deliver on their promises! Had they used more conventional parts, this never would have happened.

Not again
By smokenjoe on 9/6/2006 8:37:12 AM , Rating: 1
No matter how much everyone hates Sony you have to be a little disapointed. It really have the potental to be something great.

RE: Not again
By rushfan2006 on 9/6/2006 8:50:13 AM , Rating: 2
Granted I don't "hate" Sony, afterall hate is a rather strong word. But I fail to see how everyone "HAS" to feel disappointed. Wow its a game console with blue-ray, not exactly a life-changing kind of announcement that its not coming out this year...bothers me about as much as a light rainfall.

RE: Not again
By peldor on 9/6/2006 8:57:04 AM , Rating: 3
Not at all disappointed for Sony or gamers. It gives Nintendo a much better chance with the Wii. I have much higher hopes for Nintendo to bring some innovation to gaming than Sony.

Sony let down loyal Europeans
By philipbain on 9/6/2006 8:53:57 AM , Rating: 2
Sony have let down thier Euopean fans in a market that is potentially thier most loyal outside of Japan. This delay means that the console will be a whole year late from thier original proposed launch of Spring 2006 and at £425 / e599 its very expensive (quite a lot more so than in either Japan or the US) and very late and from what I understand Blu-ray isnt all it what hyped as being either.

RE: Sony let down loyal Europeans
By peternelson on 9/7/2006 12:40:48 AM , Rating: 2
Since the price in Europe ie UK where I am is HIGHER than the other territories, Sony could make most revenue from the limited number of consoles by selling them here!

I have to say I am very disappointed as this was originally to be out Spring THIS year not NEXT year.

I think it's unfair to allocate 400K USA /100K Japan.

It should be more like 300K USA / 100K Japan / 100K Europe.

That way those who really want (need) one can buy it at whatever price the market ie ebay demands. Particularly those who were hoping to play it over the Christmas holiday season. Even for people like me who want to explore CODING on it - early exposure is better than none.

Since consoles have historically been region oriented, it might be a risk for me to import one from one of the other territories as my games disks, videos or online experience might not work or be supported ;-(

PLEASE SONY PLEASE send say at least 1000 units to EUROPE PLEASE.

RE: Sony let down loyal Europeans
By devnull31 on 9/23/2006 11:55:04 AM , Rating: 2
...Europe ie UK...

You badly need either an English lesson, focusing on the use of Latin abbreviations, or a geography lesson, focusing on European political geography.

Yet another let down
By psychobriggsy on 9/6/2006 9:03:49 AM , Rating: 2
Yet more proof that the decision to include a BluRay drive within the PS3 will do irrepairable damage to the device as a games console, for some vague hope of furthering the BluRay media.

It's like a train wreck, it's looking like the Sega Saturn - hey, it'll still do well, it's Sega!

Sony would have been better off sticking with a DVD drive - cheaper console, on time, in quantity. They could even have done a dreamcast, and tweaked the game discs to support a little more data than the plain standard, which would have made piracy more difficult whilst giving them a capacity boost over the competitors.

This Christmas will be the season when the XBox360 will be available in quantity, and with no next generation competitor, it will sell well. The Wii will also sell well.

I saw a PlayStation 3 magazine on the shelf in Tesco a couple of days ago. That's 6 months prior to release over here now. Gutting. Buyers will read about next generation games and consoles, go out to buy one in due course and only find the XBox360.

RE: Yet another let down
By RamarC on 9/6/2006 9:20:26 AM , Rating: 3
don't put all the blame on the bluray drive. cell yields are still very low and many titles are still in coding stages. the ps3 is not ready for prime time.

RE: Yet another let down
By MrDiSante on 9/6/2006 5:53:52 PM , Rating: 1
Er... the fact that they can't two of the parts out (in decent quantities) instead of one really doesn't make it any better. Also, is it just me or does the PS3 seem to be as much of a brick as ever?

PS3 shortages
By rpgman1 on 9/6/2006 12:30:05 PM , Rating: 2
Only 500K at launch instead of the intended 2 million. Pretty disappointing for Sony all around. Microsoft and Nintendo will be the big sellers on this holiday season. Sony sure jumped the gun on its PS3 marketing strategy. One word: pathetic.

RE: PS3 shortages
By tenguman on 9/6/2006 12:31:44 PM , Rating: 2
Wii360 FTW!!!

RE: PS3 shortages
By SakuraChan on 9/6/2006 1:08:46 PM , Rating: 1
maybe I'll buy ps3 three years from now
^__^hehe... waiting for newer circuit revisions
and modchips :D....
V__V couldn't afford it though.... while waiting for BlueDisk duplicating machine to be available locally, till prices are reasonable enough (USD 5.00) :Dyay..

RE: PS3 shortages
By gramboh on 9/6/2006 1:06:54 PM , Rating: 1
I hope this hurts Blu-Ray somehow as well. Down with Sony and craptastic propietary standards.

Some people
By static1117 on 9/6/2006 4:14:14 PM , Rating: 2
Well here we go again.

For all of those who are mad at Sony for not meeting their projections, I have one question for you.

Have you never had to change your plans due to an unexpected circumstance?

Cmon people get real. This is new technology we are dealing with here, there were bound to be some snags in development and if you didnt realize that then you are truly nieve. The time and technology put into this product had to be 100 percent ready to go. I for one would rather wait until 07 for something like the ps3 then to have something rushed only to be recalled due to batteries exploding and power supplies overheating.

Now, it does suck that not everyone will get a ps3 for christmas this year and those in the UK wont get one till march. At least I wont have to "upgrade" my dvd drive to watch HD (1080p) movies. (Which I dont think the 360 can do, but I am not sure.)

So I guess the point is that its okay to be disappointed, but stop bashing people for things that happen which are beyond their control because remeber life happens.

RE: Some people
By jimmy43 on 9/6/2006 4:20:20 PM , Rating: 2
Sony Employee. Please leave

RE: Some people
By peternelson on 9/7/2006 1:09:57 AM , Rating: 2
Hey to be fair, he has a point.

I have a couple of PS2 consoles.

So I was quite interested to hear of PS3.

So we hoped it could be out holiday season Christmas 2005.

Unfortunately because of delays, Sony announced we could not have it until Spring 2006.

No problem, can't be helped.

As time went on, excitement grew, then came another announcement: Sorry but we have problems. It's not ready but you can have it in November 2006.

Not good to have another delay, but like you say, problems happen.

NOW, we hear that Sony will not even ship to us for Christmas holiday 2006, but instead March 2007.

IF I still have the belief in the Sony product, would I be foolish to assume that the March date is likely to be honoured?

Two delays are forgiveable, three I find a bit insulting.

If they intended and promised a worldwide launch then that is what they should do on principle.

Even if the quantities are less they should LAUNCH IN ALL TERRITORIES. To do otherwise is to alienate European customers.

The PS3 had better be good to make up for the way they are messing us around over this.

Wrong numbers on units shipped.
By edpsx on 9/7/2006 9:27:54 AM , Rating: 2
According to a certain "Gaming Store chain" newsletter, it will only be 400k units in the US limiting 2 PS3's per store, not the 500k as said in the article. So start standing in line now or you probably wont get one.

By static1117 on 9/7/2006 3:06:22 PM , Rating: 2
Actually I dont work for Sony, and I think its you who should leave. Be constructive or get lost.

The only thing that bugs me about this whole thing is Sony overpromised on what it could do. But what do i care? Im not looking to get into any games for ps3 until the new MGS is out, ill be fine playin NFL 2k3 and SOTN alont with FF7 until its out.

Another point, did you see that IBM is using 16000 cell cpus for their latest supercomputer? Ill take more ps3's please.

RE: Wrong numbers on units shipped.
By edpsx on 9/7/2006 5:19:29 PM , Rating: 2
That should have read 300k for the US as in 400k total shipped in November. And no I wont get lost get your damn facts straight.

Ha, Ha
By PAPutzback on 9/6/2006 9:54:46 AM , Rating: 2
All I can say is. WooHoo for Microsoft. The american economy benefits, all the organizations that The Gates foundation support benefit and of course it is a freaking great console. It will look great on my Wega when I get a 360 this Christmas. Now if only MS would build TVs. Integrated MCE, that would be nice.

RE: Ha, Ha
By ToeCutter on 9/6/2006 10:37:47 AM , Rating: 2
Now if only MS would build TVs. Integrated MCE, that would be nice.

Leave it to the Deutschlanders to beat MS to the punch:

By ToeCutter on 9/6/2006 11:11:31 AM , Rating: 2
I wonder how Sony's announcement will impact those numbers. He couldn't have known, has he estimates 3 million PS3 for '06?

He also lowered PSP estimates while raising DS. Nintendo's looking to have a great Q4!

By Lazarus Dark on 9/6/2006 11:33:47 AM , Rating: 2
though surely this will increase x360 sales at christmas, I think Nintendo will own this year after this announcement. I don't know where the rest of you grew up but i was barely middle class and had to beg for the latest game system once it came down to 150 bucks. I wouldn't even ask before it got to that price. so when those parents go to best buy, toysrus, wallmart and look at those prices, and then consider that Nintendo is the "family-friendly" console, I think Nintendo will win this Christmas. Especially when you consider people like me; I could probably afford a ps3 but don't even want one. I'd rather have a wii and Zelda and buy a bd burner for my comp.

If I had Sony stock i'd be selling now. I foresee more bad things for sony to come.

I would have delayed it in Japan First
By 05SilverGT on 9/6/06, Rating: 0
By umerok on 9/6/2006 2:24:53 PM , Rating: 3
If they launched internationally before launching in their home country, it would have killed them. JJapanese people are pretty proud of being from japan, and would hate to be ignored by a japanese company. apan as a country would shun Sony (not just Playstation, all Sony products) and buy the Wii.

By qball101 on 9/6/2006 9:38:17 AM , Rating: 3
Nice to know Sony cares so much for the fans in Europe!

By Josh7289 on 9/6/2006 10:44:41 AM , Rating: 3
Sony is screwed for this year and far into 2007. Originally, they planned to have two million PS3s available for launch worldwide, two million by the end of the year, and two million more by March 2007. Now they are only launching with half a million, and only in the US and Japan.

The DS Lite sells more than 100,000 units, even closer to 200,000 units, per week in Japan. With the PS3 launching with less than that over there, anyone who wants one (even with a crappy launch lineup) can pretty much give up right now until next year. Even though the US will be getting more units, the same applies to us, too.

Microsoft and Nintendo will gain huge chunks of market share this year and beyond, and Microsoft will probably even advance in Japan.

Really, I'd be surprised if Sony can even make two million units by the end of this year. I'd say one million is a little more like it, then maybe one million more by March 2007, the new European launch date. So even with the delay in Europe, there will still be shortages well into 2007.

Really, I doubt Sony and the PS3 will have any kind of presence in the market until late 2007.

By therealnickdanger on 9/6/2006 8:36:51 AM , Rating: 2
I feel bad for them... just a little bit, but is this really a suprise? Seriously, you have to wonder if their original plan to launch in Spring '07 worldwide was the better choice - it was definitely more realistic. Given all the reported and rumored problems thus far, I wouldn't even want to touch one of those first units.

Eek... just thought of what this does for the whole "cheap BRD player" crowd...

2 years in a row
By Hypernova on 9/6/2006 9:16:20 AM , Rating: 2
The 360 now will now have domination of 2 major holiday season in a row. Not only that this will put all the developers who are trying to plan for the Xmas launch into disarray.

I wouldn't be suprised if many of the upcoming PS3 titles become the first and last of the PS3 ports from many of the pissed off dev's.

360 will now have an iron grip on the marketwell into 2007. Trying to lauch world wide on March is just stupid, it is too close to Xmas and all the present(sp?) funds are yet to be replenished.

its all marketing
By evanhaut on 9/6/2006 10:46:48 AM , Rating: 2
The no-show in Europe in combination with the slightest of all availabilities elsewhere allows the PS3 to become the hottest thing .. not to be around.

Doesn't matter
By Chaser on 9/6/06, Rating: 0
RE: Doesn't matter
By Scorpion on 9/6/2006 1:04:04 PM , Rating: 2
Lastly I considered the 360. I read the reviews online. While some titles appear to take advantage of the 360's capabilities many of the games are ports with their boxes stamped "360".

You do know that is one of the key features and goal of the X360 right? It's intended to be highly portable with PC titles, which I assume is what you are refering to. It's quite obvious given Microsoft designed DirectX which is a key component of the 360, and also the leading graphics/sound API on the PC platform. It has become it's own highly developed dev environment and they are trying to make it easier to devs, rather than tougher a la Sony.

I think you've really not done such a great job of reviewing, because you seem to not know what you are talking about. I suggest if you really want to consider a 360, don't base it off reviews, go down to a best buy and try one out. That's like trying to pick the best driving car by looking at pictures online. *rollseyes*

Limit one per customer
By raisinbrainMMM on 9/6/2006 10:49:45 AM , Rating: 2
When they launched the 360 did they limit one per customer?

Do you think they'll limit one per customer at most stores when the PS3 launches after seeing the crazy reselling of the 360?

By ToeCutter on 9/6/2006 10:50:01 AM , Rating: 2
I mean, really, no one saw this coming?

This has been scuttlebutt on the DT forums for a while now!

Curiously, I see ZERO posts from the Sony fanboys that insisted that Sony would ship PS3 in volume despite Blu-Ray costs, Cell yields, late dev cycle, <insert excuse here>?

I in no way count myself among the Sony haters (I have both PSP and PS2), but man they've SCREWED the pooch on this one.

This announcement essentially puts the Wii at the top of my list. FPS on consoles have sucked ass, mostly due to console manufacturers insistence that we use analog pads for FPS's. The Wii might changes this paradigm, and Call of Duty is a release title for Wii. I guess we'll see soon enough.

Regardless, this leaves the '06 Holiday Season to MS and Nintendo. With MS releasing Zune, and Nintendo pushing Wii, DS Lite and GBA Micro, I think both will rake in a tidy little profit this year.

Wii needs to come out under $200
By Araxen on 9/6/2006 11:56:44 AM , Rating: 2
Nintendo really needs to capitalize on on Sony's blunder with only 500k units this year. An under $200 price tag would put them #1in Next Gen consoles worldwide!

Made up Numbers
By Stafford on 9/6/2006 4:20:40 PM , Rating: 2
DailyTech says there were 1.5 million 360's at launch? Really? Any reference?

NPD reported 326,000 units sold for the month of November. And it wasn't launched in Europe or Japan until December.

Two possibilities:
A: NPD's widely reported figures are flat out wrong by a wide margin.
B: DailyTech is fabricating completely bogus numbers as part of their campaign to lie, distort, and twist the news to fulfill their hateful bigoted anti-Sony pro-Microsoft agenda.

Sony response
By hstewarth on 9/7/2006 9:43:13 PM , Rating: 2
The following article about Sony's response

Please note that 400,000 use is just short of PS2 initial launch and more than 360 launch.

By iwonthealu on 9/8/2006 9:27:03 AM , Rating: 2
PS3 will become only a dream..they obviously have no clue how to make it compete with xbox 360..they are going to constanly delay the launch of this fantasy of a system....and only 500k thats horrible..if they plan to compete they need to atleast double that amount since theres so many kids drooling over the realease of this console

Long Live the King
By GhandiInstinct on 9/6/2006 2:28:32 PM , Rating: 1
Long live Sony.

I'm buying a 360. Maybe a PS4.

big deal
By plimogs on 9/6/06, Rating: -1
RE: big deal
By h0kiez on 9/6/2006 9:07:01 AM , Rating: 1

RE: big deal
By therealnickdanger on 9/6/2006 9:10:58 AM , Rating: 2

Pretty much. You have to realize that this will make X360 even stronger as well. If Microsoft is selling their HD-DVD add-on, it will probably make HD-DVD stronger as well...

RE: big deal
By fenderkb76 on 9/6/2006 6:39:21 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, that means a lot coming from someone who has h0kiez as their about fanboys. Virginia Tech fans are the worst fanboys known to mankind. By the way, that's a shame that your boy Marcus Vick got cut back to the Dolphins practice squad.

RE: big deal
By CKDragon on 9/7/2006 12:18:44 AM , Rating: 3
People cheering for sports teams = intended and normal
People cheering for huge, greedy business = effing stupid

RE: big deal
By NullSubroutine on 9/7/2006 3:35:59 AM , Rating: 2
yah, because sports have absolutely nothing to do with greedy business, like:

sportsware (jerseys)
ticket sales
video game sales
athletic ware (nike, underarmour)
fitness sports drink/food
cable networks
enrollment (for college)
and etc....

RE: big deal
By CKDragon on 9/7/2006 12:20:33 PM , Rating: 2
If you don't intuitively understand the difference, I don't think there's much I can say that will help convince you.

RE: big deal
By NullSubroutine on 9/7/2006 6:34:58 PM , Rating: 2
No, I actually think you dont understand what the person is hoping for in both circumstances. Noone roots for greedy business, they are rooting for a good product.

You want to see a good football game yes? You want to be entertained yes? Why would you not want the same thing in another product (if in theory you want it)?

The fact is some people get excited over a launch of a new product, doesnt matter if its a new console or new sports team. I just dont see how you can sit there and judge another person for being excited over one type of product, but are stupid for doing so in another.

RE: big deal
By CKDragon on 9/7/2006 11:58:01 PM , Rating: 2
If people were actually excited purely over the product, then you would absolutely have a point.

But I know that you are incorrect in saying that people are just rooting for the product. Take a closer notice of the context of the flamewars between AMD/Intel fans, nVidia/ATI, MS/Sony/Nintendo fans. Simply take a look at this thread, people are happily gloating that a product from company X will be more popular than company Y.

If it truly was as you see it, that everyone is just hoping for a good entertainment product, then why would people clearly be HOPING that competitive products fail? They wouldn't be, they would be hoping that ALL the processors / video cards / consoles were good. Isn't that obvious?

Strangely, loyalties for the most part are NOT rooted in a product by product basis. What we experience on these forums and many others like it are people who clearly want one COMPANY to do better than another.

Would you continue to believe there is no clear difference between rooting for a sports team (obviously designed for a competitive, entertaining atmosphere) and a corporation (whose only competition is with other corporations to see which millionaires/billionaires get to line their pockets further)?

RE: big deal
By NullSubroutine on 9/8/2006 5:50:34 AM , Rating: 2
No matter how much everyone hates Sony you have to be a little disapointed. It really have the potental to be something great.

He was talking about a product. But, yah, I must have totally imagined people who are/were excited about the product. Since this is only one person, not people, I absolutely have no point.

RE: big deal
By CKDragon on 9/8/2006 8:39:33 AM , Rating: 2
I'm not sure if you realized it, but the post that you quoted wasn't in the same thread as our discussion. The actual OP of this line of discussion was very obviously a company-loyalist (you can see that if you change the option to see all posts).

But anyway, would it please you if I admitted that 100% of the people in the thread are simply company-loyalists? Fine, have your point. I never said that there was no one who wanted them all to succeed. Hell, I'd be eliminating myself if I did that.

But if yours was actually the prevailing viewpoint in most of these forum participants (that people are simply hoping for the best product to be entertained), then you wouldn't clearly have so many people wanting one company's product to beat up another company's product. And yes, a consumer hoping for one company to dominate the market is, as I attempted to light-heartedly put it, "EFFING STUPID".

You can't just quote the minority and believe that the exception proves the rule.

RE: big deal
By NullSubroutine on 9/8/2006 11:59:52 PM , Rating: 2
I agree with your statment, but with the first part. The quote in my previous response was from this thread. This is how it went.

He said what I quoted. Someone responded by calling him a fanboy. Someone responded to him saying coming from a guy with the name hokie (vt or something). Then someone commented about that there is a difference between sports and greedy business, then thats where i first put my response, no there really isnt all that big of a difference.

I was merely trying to defend the first guy who clearly stated he just wanted a good product and was let down.

Man I'm tired...

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