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Sony hopes to cast a spell on gamers' wallets witha $430 PS3 "Move" pack. The motion control is available separately for $70 (plus $35 for the Eye camera).  (Source: Giant Bomb)

Sony will also be offering premium content to gamers for $49.99 a year via its new Playstation Plus service.  (Source: Giant Bomb)

Valve's Portal 2 also made a star appearance.  (Source: Giant Bomb)
Will gamers chomp on Sony's high prices?

Microsoft is offering Kinect for the Xbox 360 in November.  It is expected to be priced under $150, which means that with an Xbox 360 Arcade Edition (which dropped in price to $150) you will be likely to get a holiday motion bundle for under $300.  The Nintendo Wii is, of course, currently available for $199, with Wiimote and Wii Motion Plus.  

Sony is making a dangerous bet with its own motion gaming system that gamers are willing to pay more than Microsoft or Nintendo's prices to get what it feels is a superior experience.  At its E3 2010 keynote today, the company upset some in the audience by announcing that its Playstation 3 Motion Bundle would retail for $400.  Except, that's not all -- the bundle only includes the PS3 Eye Camera ($34.99, currently available) and Move Controller ($49.99) (it also comes with a sports game).  It does not include the PS3 Navigation controller, a necessary part of the "Move" experience.  Gamers will have to pick that up separately for $29.99.

Reaction to the high price point was instant.  Some in the crowd began booing and at least one person screamed "Too much!!" at the presenter.

Still Sony seems confident that customers will bite on the high-end offer.  Among the exclusive titles it showed off was Tiger Woods PGA Tour, which featured ultra-realistic golf motions.  If you're eager to become Tiger Woods and attempt some slick moves, Sony reminds us that it's all in the "flick of your wrists" and that power is very important as well.

Other "Move" titles include Time Crisis, Echochrome 2, Heavy Rain updates, Resident Evil 5, and Tron: Evolution.  Another key title is "Heros on the Move" which features familiar Sony-exclusive characters, including Ratchet, Jak, Bently, Clank, Sly Cooper.

Coke is teaming up with Sony to promote Move.

Besides Move, the other key announcement by Sony was a firmware update that allows 3D gaming with compatible TVs like its Bravia 3D TV lineup.  The update will be rolled to individual PS3's and from there it will be up to game vendors to update their titles to feature 3D.

Crysis 2, Mortal Kombat, Shaun White Skateboarding, Ghost Recon, Tron:Evolution, and NBA 2k11 all will get 3D-ified, as will Motorstorm, Wipeout HD.  Leading the charge will be Killzone 3, which will release in February 2011 and bring with it oodles of extra-dimension gore and carnage.

Sony says that by March 2011, twenty 3D-enable titles will be available for the 35 million PlayStation 3 consoles world.

Other huge titles announced include Twisted Metal, Portal 2, Final Fantasy XIV, Call of Duty:BO, DC Universe, SOCOM4: US Navy Team, Mafiaa II, The Fight: Lights Out, and Dead Space 2.

Also announced were LittleBigPlanet 2 and an upgraded Playstation Network service called Playstation "Plus" which delivers exclusive content.  Sony will be offering 3 months for free and then will charge $17.99 for 3 months, or $49.99 for a year.  Content through the service will not be downloadable, so if you quit, you'll lose access to it.

At the keynote, Sony also announced a number of PSP titles, many of them family friendly.  Announced titles included Tetris, Fat Princess, EyePetTron, Kingdom Hearts, Ace Combat, Toy Story, Ghosts of Sparta, Invzibles, 3rd birthday, P3P, Ys: The Oath, Valkyria II, and Piyotama.  Eyepet and Invzibles both make use of the PSP's camera.  It definitely seems that Sony is targeting more young gamers with the PSP.

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Just Too Expensive For Now
By rasmith260 on 6/15/2010 6:07:40 PM , Rating: 5
I love my PS3 and I like Sony too, at least the fact that they decided to build the best console sparing no expense, even though its expense probably cost them; but they have got to realize that $430 is just too much for a gaming console for most people in this economy.




RE: Just Too Expensive For Now
By muhahaaha on 6/15/10, Rating: -1
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By muhahaaha on 6/15/10, Rating: -1
RE: Just Too Expensive For Now
By Samus on 6/16/2010 3:01:38 PM , Rating: 2
The resentment from the crowd comes from the facts that while Nintendo and Microsoft are lowering prices or improving currently price bundles, Sony is price-hiking, and not even completing the Move package; leaving out necessary components.

The only thing that made the PS3 'revolutionary' was the BLURAY drive, much like the PS2 was 'revolutionary' with a DVD drive. Using Cell was and still is an engineering/programming nightmare for a game console. That shit belongs in enterprise servers and super computers. The XBOX, with a much simpler form of it, consistently has superior graphic output. Sure, the PS3 is more capable and more powerful, but look what happened to the Sega Saturn. Porting stuff to the SDK (something almost all non-exclusive games go through) usually yields favorably to a DX10 product.


RE: Just Too Expensive For Now
By BansheeX on 6/15/2010 7:42:55 PM , Rating: 4
I find it rather humorous that the PS3 has been associated with "more expensive" up until even now. The PS3 is less expensive to own than the 360 and always has been. 4 years of Live costs $200 by itself. Want a blu-ray player for movies? Chuck in another $200. Want a blu-ray player for quieter gaming? Go screw yourself. Want wi-fi? Chuck in $100 for the add-on. Want a larger hard drive? Pay double what you'd pay on the PS3. RRoD after the warranty is up? Chuck in another $200-$300 for a new system. If even one of those costs is realized, the PS3 is cheaper. Chimp analysts everywhere predicted the PS3 would be dead within a year. They continue to parrot this nonsense in every article, fixating on the shelf-price and ignoring all of the separated expenses.


RE: Just Too Expensive For Now
By satveeraj on 6/15/10, Rating: 0
RE: Just Too Expensive For Now
By FITCamaro on 6/15/2010 8:14:19 PM , Rating: 2
Exactly. The PS3 benefits from Bluray in games in that it doesn't need multiple discs. But its a downfall when it comes to access speed. The Bluray drive is so slow it has to pre-cache stuff on the hard drive. A hard drive is standard because it wouldn't be able to work without one.

Don't get me wrong. I like my PS3. But my 360 gets far more use. And don't even try to compare PSN and Xbox Live. My buddy got Red Dead Redemption on PS3 so I got it too to play with him. Can we form a party and chat with voice without being in a multiplayer session? No. Do party invites just pop up and let you join? No you have to find it after getting the message.

Xbox Live is far better than PSN.


RE: Just Too Expensive For Now
By BansheeX on 6/15/2010 9:24:09 PM , Rating: 3
That is such $%&*ing nonsense. The hard drive is standard because developers will rarely spend time utilizing something that not every user has. And any disc drive is as capable as the next at sending data to the system, but a blu-ray drive is able to achieve the same data throughput at a much slower rpm because the data is 5x more densely packed on the disc. Less rpm = less noise.


RE: Just Too Expensive For Now
By quiksilvr on 6/15/2010 11:20:15 PM , Rating: 2
Yes and no. Bluray is a much more than that simple multiple DVD avoidance.

Sony learned from the mistake of Betamax. You need people on board from the get-go, which they had. Quite honestly, I blame HD DVD for even existing in the first place. It wasted over a year of pointless comparing, confused millions of average joe consumers, and in the end it just disappeared entirely.

As for the pre-caching, that is indeed true, but let's not forget that 360 lets you put the entire game onto their HDDs. Also, having a HDD built in from the get go ON ALL SKUS OF THE CONSOLE is very important both for developers (how do we ensure fixes can be made to games if our customer doesn't have a HDD?) and gamers (why can't I download demos?)

The fact of the matter is this: if you want to play with your friends that have a 360 and don't mind spending $50 a year, then obviously you'd get a 360.

But if you don't really give a crap who you're playing with so long as they're competent and want more bang for your buck, get a PS3.

And of course the games you prefer, and just my opinion, PS3 games are more to my liking.


RE: Just Too Expensive For Now
By Spivonious on 6/16/2010 9:56:56 AM , Rating: 1
I don't own either console, but your statement:

"how do we ensure fixes can be made to games if our customer doesn't have a HDD?"

The developers should test the game enough where it doesn't need patches. This era of "always-on" web connections has made software testers very lazy.


RE: Just Too Expensive For Now
By Quadrillity on 6/16/10, Rating: 0
RE: Just Too Expensive For Now
By FaceMaster on 6/16/2010 3:46:29 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
programmer lol


What's a 'programmer lol'?


RE: Just Too Expensive For Now
By Quadrillity on 6/16/2010 4:35:20 PM , Rating: 2
oops. Punctuation snafu :)


RE: Just Too Expensive For Now
By FaceMaster on 6/17/2010 2:16:34 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Punctuation snafu


What's a 'Punctuation snafu'?


RE: Just Too Expensive For Now
By Spivonious on 6/17/2010 11:02:03 AM , Rating: 3
Actually I am. Some small bugs are okay, but when games get released in unplayable states, that's just the company pushing the software out before it's finished. If the game needs to be patched, it wasn't tested.


RE: Just Too Expensive For Now
By afkrotch on 6/16/2010 6:59:40 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
I don't own either console, but your statement:

"how do we ensure fixes can be made to games if our customer doesn't have a HDD?"

The developers should test the game enough where it doesn't need patches. This era of "always-on" web connections has made software testers very lazy.


Games already take forever to come out, I don't feel like seeing another 1-2 years development time added on, to find bugs or for balancing.


RE: Just Too Expensive For Now
By MrBlastman on 6/16/2010 9:35:58 AM , Rating: 5
What about the part that everyone missed:

quote:
If you're eager to become Tiger Woods and attempt some slick moves, Sony reminds us that it's all in the "flick of your wrists" and that power is very important as well.


I see no mention of slick moves like:

"Grabbing golf girl's butts."
or
"Picking up the coffee waitresses."
or
"Caddy her caddy, sugar daddy."
or
"The long driver maneuver."
or
"Giving it the deep shaft."

What kind of Tiger Woods game is this? IF they are going to make it "realistic" and include full motion controller support, they really should try "hard" (heh) to make it truly realistic.

They need to get with the program at Sony.


By inperfectdarkness on 6/16/2010 1:23:24 PM , Rating: 4
tiger woods: south park edition


RE: Just Too Expensive For Now
By StevoLincolnite on 6/15/2010 11:56:29 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The PS3 is less expensive to own than the 360 and always has been. 4 years of Live costs $200 by itself. Want a blu-ray player for movies? Chuck in another $200. Want a blu-ray player for quieter gaming? Go screw yourself.


The difference between the Xbox and PS3 here is that Microsoft has GIVEN the consumer CHOICE on what they would like, essentially if you don't want any of that gear, you are getting the cheapest console that looks just as good in a game as a PS3 and is just as fun to play.


RE: Just Too Expensive For Now
By BZDTemp on 6/16/2010 5:55:52 AM , Rating: 4
Honestly - who get by with the Arcade 360?

I bought both the PS3 and the 360 when they came out and really there is a bunch of crap I had to pay extra with the 360 which came with the PS3.

- Kits so I can recharge the controllers.
- Headset because I can not just use any bluetooth headset.
- Wireless kit.

And then there is the missing HDMI port on the 360. Luckily I can get by with the component but when I upgrade the TV that could become an issue.

If the 360 had a browser and I wanted to use it for that I would have had to buy special 360 input devices. The PS3 lets me use standard PC USB devices or bluetooth ones.

The Arcade 360 may be cheaper but you certainly do not get more than you pay.


RE: Just Too Expensive For Now
By afkrotch on 6/16/2010 7:33:07 PM , Rating: 2
Ya, you have the choice to not have online play, buying AA batteries over and over again, or play buggy games, as absolutely no room to update games.


RE: Just Too Expensive For Now
By safcman84 on 6/16/2010 8:50:41 AM , Rating: 2
RRoD problems are very few and far between with the new Xbox models. Heat output etc has been reduced.

BTW, I own neither a Xbox or PS3.

$430 is way too expensive IMO. I can pick up a PC, with 10x more functionality, and a blu-ray drive for $600 or less.

not too mention the fact that to enjoy the PS3 experience, you need a HD TV and now even a 3D TV. $430 for PS3 + cost of TV = really expensive.


RE: Just Too Expensive For Now
By Iaiken on 6/16/2010 10:43:24 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
PS3 + cost of TV = really expensive.


Wait... what?

You have to try pretty effing hard to find a TV that doesn't support 720p (the base resolution of the PS3). Pretty much EVERY TV sold today supports that resolution.

Even then, 1080p televisions are not that expensive unless and you're sworn to a life without television there is a good chance you've got one.

The only people who will really pay for 3D TV are the same early adopters for which money is no object. So until that technology matures (wide viewing angles & no stupid glasses), you can pretty much discount it entirely.

Likewise, TV is a shared cost for both the 360 and PS3, so it really doesn't factor into it between the two of them. In an argument for the PC, a good quality 1920x1200 monitor is going to run you a pretty penny, plus the hardware premium you pay (and I do pay it gladly) works out to a pretty expensive pastime.

My PS3 cost me:

160GB System: $499
1 DS2: $34
Remote: $28
8' HDMI: $39
Total: $600

My 360 (may it burn in hell) cost me:

120GB System: $479
Controller: $34
8' HDMI: $39
WiFi: $60
RMA Shipping: $49x3
Total: $759

I never had XBL because my 60-day trial of it made me realize where all the CS kiddies had gone. The 360 didn't have all of the equivalent functionality of the PS3 (I use it to watch Blu Ray movies) and I can (and do) play my PS3 online with friends, for free!.

My PS3 saw probably 5x the play my 360 did, and yet my 360 crashed so many times I lost count and failed outright FOUR times. MS Canada refused to pay return shipping on all but the first return ($49 each time). My PS3 has not crashed once, never, ever.

F MS right in their stupid faces.


RE: Just Too Expensive For Now
By tedrodai on 6/16/2010 10:10:32 AM , Rating: 2
For the average user, you're probably mostly correct. But don't confuse value with price. If a user doesn't care about those factors or has alternatives whose price has already been realized outside of their game system purchase, you can spend quite a bit less on the 360 and still do what you want to do. Also, comparing the PSN to Live is currently not (and never has been to-date) an apples-to-apples comparison.

And when it comes to peripherals, you get reamed regardless of which console you're purchasing for.

So while you're still hot and bothered over the 360 vs PS3 debate (which the OP didn't even reference), I say they've BOTH been too expensive until recently for someone who's on a budget; AND if you're willing to pay for one and not the other, you had your own good reasons that gave the console more value:price than the other, and that's that.


RE: Just Too Expensive For Now
By afkrotch on 6/16/2010 7:40:37 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
And when it comes to peripherals, you get reamed regardless of which console you're purchasing for.


Except my PS3 controller comes standard with a rechargeable battery and uses a $1 USB cable to charge. While I was stuck with getting a $50 controller and $20 play and charge kit.

Course, I don't see the big deal with this Move crap anyways. It's $115. I'm sure the Natal is going to be $100-$150. They'll probably bundle it together for like $400-$450 with their new 360.


RE: Just Too Expensive For Now
By callmeroy on 6/16/2010 1:44:49 PM , Rating: 1
Except the blu-ray that is the single most bragged about advantage of the PS3 isn't really as impressive in reality as it sounds in the marketing material and on forum debates... its probably the slowest blu-ray I've ever witnessed in my life for starters.

Its very well documented that Xbox-Live is the king of on-line gaming services to date.

Finally, when I peruse Game Stop....it just seems like more good titles are on Xbox 360 than PS3....not saying PS3 doesn't have some insanely good titles because they do, but not in quantity as the 360.

And after all a console is ultimately only as good as its games...you can talk features and prices till the proverbial cows come home if a system doesn't have the games is all for nothing.


RE: Just Too Expensive For Now
By afkrotch on 6/16/2010 7:44:41 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Finally, when I peruse Game Stop....it just seems like more good titles are on Xbox 360 than PS3....not saying PS3 doesn't have some insanely good titles because they do, but not in quantity as the 360.


What AAA title doesn't end up on both consoles anyways? All you have is those 1st party titles and the very very very few exclusives.

Last exclusives I even remember has been Hard Rain (PS3) and Alan Wake (360).


RE: Just Too Expensive For Now
By satveeraj on 6/15/2010 7:46:09 PM , Rating: 1
Perhaps trying to come out with the "best" console instead of remaining competitive cost them more. At least its still a decent Bluray player...right???


RE: Just Too Expensive For Now
By Belard on 6/15/10, Rating: 0
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By Dribble on 6/16/10, Rating: 0
RE: Just Too Expensive For Now
By Iaiken on 6/16/2010 10:53:54 AM , Rating: 1
I can see how infuriating that must sound when you can't read.

quote:
Its Playstation 3 Motion Bundle would retail for $400


The bundle includes: Console, Eye Camera, Move Controller, Sports Game

First read, then comprehend, then think of something intelligent and factual to say, then say it. Otherwise, STFU!


RE: Just Too Expensive For Now
By Dribble on 6/16/10, Rating: 0
RE: Just Too Expensive For Now
By Belard on 6/16/10, Rating: 0
RE: Just Too Expensive For Now
By indignation on 6/17/2010 1:33:19 AM , Rating: 2
> The 360 and Wii also include ONE CONTROLLER.
Kinect will support 4 players just on its own, unlike PS3 Move. This by itself warrants it a price around twice or thrice that of the PS3 move, and yet it doesn't cost nearly that much

> Not ALL 360 Games work with Kinect, as of today - 0
Likewise to PS3 Move

> Games... You still need to buy $35~65 PER controller. ($60 = MS wireless)
Again, it applies to your favourite console as well


RE: Just Too Expensive For Now
By Belard on 6/17/10, Rating: 0
RE: Just Too Expensive For Now
By fuzzlefizz on 6/18/2010 2:03:01 PM , Rating: 2
Don't know why so many people are comparing the Kinect with Move. But Kinect is a very different player experience than Move or the Wii.

Have you even tried Kinect? The number of games you can play on Kinect is very limited since I have a good feeling it would only really apply to physically active games in a small space (ie. Dance Dance, golf, frisbee, etc). I would imagine FPS would suck on the Kinect. How would one even play Madden or NBA Live if you have no controller to move the character around?

Wii controller is priced just about the same, $50 for the Wii controller plus $20 for the nunchuck. Excluding the eye camera (which you only need one of).


RE: Just Too Expensive For Now
By Phoque on 6/15/2010 10:02:38 PM , Rating: 2
I think the motion controller is a risky adventure for both Sony and Microsoft.

For Microsoft because I feel it is harder and less intuitive to develop non casual games for Kinect. Also, I`ve read on Wired there is still lag at the moment using it. If that isn't fixed, it could turn off the more hard-core current installed gamer base.

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2010/06/kinect-hands...

For Sony because the price might be a little too steep if you want to equip yourself for more than one player.

In both cases, historically, has expensive add-on to consoles ever been popular? Also casual gamers may very well be already more familiar and prefer the cheaper Wii.

I own a PS3 and will definitely get the Move controller as I have high hopes it will make a great controller for first person shooters.


By BZDTemp on 6/15/2010 7:43:05 PM , Rating: 1
Sure some soccer mums may not be able to tell what the best deal is here but anyone else knows the 360 Arcade is a mistake.

Besides what is much more important is the games and the Sony lineup compared to what Microsoft is offering is like night and day. Sony brings lots of variety while Microsoft only has Wii clones and a dance game. Either Microsoft is stupid or their solution simply is not usable for anything that requires fast reactions.

I own both the 360 and the PS3 and for me the choice seems easy. If I wanted Wii games I'd bought a Wii long time ago so Move is the choice for me.




By Hiawa23 on 6/15/2010 8:00:41 PM , Rating: 2
I own all the consoles, & as far total value to me the 360 is hands down my favorite. I have about 85 games for it only 15 for the PS3. I only use the PS3 to watch blu ray movies, as i really don't like it's online structure & since online is where I mostly game, that kind of sucks. Sony is taking a huge chance here, I really don't care which way it goes as I don't care for 3-d not buying another TV, & don't care for motion controls.


By Nfarce on 6/15/2010 10:16:48 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
I own all the consoles, & as far total value to me the 360 is hands down my favorite. I have about 85 games for it only 15 for the PS3.


Good Lord! You own ~100 games between the Xbox and PS3 alone? Wow. Get out much?


By Hiawa23 on 6/16/2010 12:05:55 AM , Rating: 1
Good Lord! You own ~100 games between the Xbox and PS3 alone? Wow. Get out much?

yep, get out fine & work 50hours a week managing a company. Thanks to Gamefly's cheap prices, my games just tend to accumulate especially over a 5 year period which is is what we are approaching on for the 360.


By fleshconsumed on 6/16/2010 9:04:27 AM , Rating: 3
Well, still, that's a lot.

100 games over 5 years, that's 20 games in a year, there are 52 weeks in a year, which means you were buying a new game every two and a half weeks.

That's a lot of gaming assuming you actually finished all those games.


By afkrotch on 6/16/2010 8:15:40 PM , Rating: 2
Buy one game every 2 1/2 weeks, spend all of 4-8 hours to beat the game. Hell, CoD:MW2 took me 4 hours to beat. BF:BC2 took me 6 hours to beat.

Hell, I bought about 4 games this 2 weeks alone. Blur (PS3), Fallout 3: GOTY (PC), Metro 2033 (PC), and Nier (PS3). I might spend about 8 hours a week playing these games.

There's always a big blank period where no games come out, like right now.


By afkrotch on 6/16/2010 8:09:50 PM , Rating: 2
That's not exactly hard to do. Hell, I've got that much. Doesn't take much time either, when the average game can be beat in 4-8 hours. I don't bother playing online with a bunch of retarded children on 360 and the PS3s online isn't all that great. I've also got the PC games that buy and play too.

So far, I roll to Seoul about every other weekend, I took a 15 day vacation in Tokyo in Dec and went to Tokyo again for a week at the beginning of May. Last weekend, I hit up Bugae to snowboard at an indoor ski resort.

So tell me, do you get out much?


By Nfarce on 6/16/2010 11:57:54 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
So tell me, do you get out much?


I work 60+ hours a week, game when I can, travel a lot for work (and bring the PS3), and spend time with friends and family (and bring the PS3). The two gaming PCs stay home obviously and I hit them up when I'm land locked, so to speak.

Still though, man, I can't fathom 100+ games just between the two consoles as mentioned.


By afkrotch on 6/17/2010 12:34:46 AM , Rating: 2
Think it all depends on how you budget your time. During a typical weekday, I spend 9 hours at work, 1 hour exercise, 1-2 hours gaming, and 4-6 hours sleeping. The rest of the time, I might go out and drink a little. I might go walking. Might sit down and just watch a movie. I really never plan my weekday out.

On a Saturday, I sleep in. Then I will head out somewhere and find something to do. Sometimes I just go window shopping in Seoul, I go to an indoor ski resort, go fishing, or whatever. Other times, I'll just sit at home, play games, then head out in the afternoon. Get a hotel room, then hit up the clubs later on in the evening. There's also some weekends, where I do absolutely nothing. I just sleep and play video games.

Sunday is usually always the same. I sleep in, I do laundry, I clean the apt, I go out to eat, I play video games/watch movies, then I crash.

I don't have family where I'm at and friends I just hang out with on weekdays. I just meet random ppl at the clubs. Koreans, Germans, Australians, Japanese, etc. Lot of foreigners come to Seoul.


By BZDTemp on 6/16/2010 5:59:05 AM , Rating: 2
Yes but is your 360 an Arcade?

Otherwise I'm not sure why you comment my comment?


wow Sony's slogen "we never learn"
By xxsk8er101xx on 6/15/2010 11:39:19 PM , Rating: 1
Didn't they learn this blunder with the ps3?

"People will buy the ps3 at 399 dollars because it's a better experience from the xbox 299" - mean while wii comes out at what 199? Who was buying what?

Wii,
xbox 360
and then ps3

it's like sony execs lives on another planet. Especially with the economy being the way it is no one is going to want to buy it. Except of course top 1% of the rich.




RE: wow Sony's slogen "we never learn"
By Quadrillity on 6/16/2010 11:40:25 AM , Rating: 2
PS3 just added new 3D capabilities FOR FREE.

Also, until you use the new Move system don't bash it. From what I've seen in the demo's it kicks the living s**t out of anything available in terms of accuracy and immersion.

Get over yourself. Premium gaming costs premium money. Pay up or shut up. I guess you want a 2011 Mustang for $8,000 as well?


RE: wow Sony's slogen "we never learn"
By The0ne on 6/16/2010 12:44:51 PM , Rating: 2
You're telling someone not to bash the Move system because they haven't used it and yet you are praising because you've haven't either?

All your praises are from this demo? Do you always trust demo's?

Your last sentence I just really can't comprehend. You seriously expect consumers to pay a premium for gaming that is in itself subjective? Pray tell how you define "premium" gaming.

Sometimes I fcking love customers like you, as a seller of course.


RE: wow Sony's slogen "we never learn"
By Quadrillity on 6/16/2010 3:38:37 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You're telling someone not to bash the Move system because they haven't used it and yet you are praising because you've haven't either?

Yes. Who hasn't seen the live E3 demo yet? It's been out a year now right? I can base my opinions off of a live demo, wtf is so wrong with that?

quote:
Your last sentence I just really can't comprehend. You seriously expect consumers to pay a premium for gaming that is in itself subjective? Pray tell how you define "premium" gaming.

Quit being a smug jerk. I would consider one of the many definitions of "premium" equipment as being something the general population can't afford in their every day budget. The PS3 is in every right a premuim piece of electronic equipment. Give me one good example of how it COULDN'T be considered so...
quote:
Sometimes I fcking love customers like you, as a seller of course.

stfu fag.


By The0ne on 6/16/2010 5:39:18 PM , Rating: 2
I remember when prior to the PS3 release all these amazing demo's with astounding realistic graphics. None surfaced of course. I was highly impress by madden NFL back then.

Nothing wrong basing your entire opinions off a demo. Good luck with that in your arguments btw.

There are a great many things wrong with your "premium" price for gaming. These I wont' even bother to explain to you since you obviously have no clue.

1. If you consider "premium" as something the general population can't afford then fine. How do you justify general population, or more specifically in respect to your status?

2. If price dictates the use of "premium" then yes, the PS3 AND Xbox360 are indeed as you said (with respect to #1 above). If you are asking if the hardware is in itself premium, as in high quality, up-to-date, etc., than I say no.

3.
quote:
Premium gaming costs premium money.

Yes indeed. Those poor general population opting for Wii, DS and PSP. What a shame they're so fcking poor to afford premium hardware and premium gameply. We all know merely from demo's that
quote:
...it kicks the living s**t out of anything available in terms of accuracy and immersion.


Nintendo must be fill with idiots. If I were them, I change the color of the consoles so people would buy them again, thus it would be consider a premium as well....oh wait, that's being done. Hmmm.

No seriously, I fcking love consumers like you. You think paying a lot of money for a product justifies whatever excuse you may have created to support it. As a company selling products, this is heaven (see Apple). I dont' know whether to laugh or cry, but I'm definitely leaning on the laugh mood.

Here's a video to explain it to you, enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr4pPAn-m5g

Don't cuss at me to win the discussion, you're better off using specifically made demos to do that. Since you and I have absolutely no clue what the hell we've talking about, demo's are the tell tale truth to all. You win!


RE: wow Sony's slogen "we never learn"
By sviola on 6/16/2010 1:57:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
PS3 just added new 3D capabilities FOR FREE.


That is not an acurate statement. The update to the console may not cost anything, but you still have to fork out $3300 for a Sony 46" 3DTV (Best Buy price) that is necessary to play in 3D (you can use other manufacturers' tvs as well).


RE: wow Sony's slogen "we never learn"
By Quadrillity on 6/16/2010 4:38:37 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
you still have to fork out $3300 for a Sony 46" 3DTV (Best Buy price) that is necessary to play in 3D (you can use other manufacturers' tvs as well).

Again, I'll say: That is the dumbest thing I have heard in a long time. I don't think any amount of explaining will make it clear to you, so just forget it.


By sviola on 6/16/2010 5:37:38 PM , Rating: 2
See my reply below...


Move
By wallijonn on 6/15/2010 7:58:16 PM , Rating: 2
The whole package will be about $115 for owners who already have a PS3. But wait, that's probably a package deal if you buy the PS3 Move package. I'll bet it'll cost $149.99 for owners who already have PS3s. The Move PS3 package will be about $430, while the new XB360 plus Natal will be about $450. Sounds competitive to me since the added bonus will be the ability of the PS3 to play 3D BD movies. 3D! <yawn>

The question will be whether or not people are willing to pay upwards of $400 for a console. That's probably what Nintendo is betting on. Nintendo will probably lose sales to the Arcade at $149.99. Unless they want motion control...

I own a Wii, PS3 and XB360. I am not in love with motion controllers. I could not care less about 3D movies or 3D games.




RE: Move
By sviola on 6/16/10, Rating: -1
RE: Move
By Quadrillity on 6/16/2010 11:28:23 AM , Rating: 1
This is one of the most moronic posts that I have ever had the displeasure of viewing on this website. Good job sir, you are a complete retard.


RE: Move
By sviola on 6/16/2010 2:14:07 PM , Rating: 2
I am sorry if I have offended your fanboyism in any fashion.

But for my post, there are nothing wrong with it, you can freely google the items and you'll see the amount of cash you'll need to expend to get the COMPLETE PS3 experience (which includes 3D, Move, PSN and Blu-Ray).


RE: Move
By Quadrillity on 6/16/2010 3:45:59 PM , Rating: 1
I'm not a fanboy, sorry to let you down.

Your post compared apples to oranges, and I pointed out that It was idiotic to do so. Here is an example of what you are trying to do: The PS3 can also run the "fold at home" application, which uses significant cpu/gpu resources while running. If you run it 24/7 for a year you spend X ammount of dollars in electricity. Therefore, the PS3 costs $300 + the X ammount in electricity to achieve the COMPLETE experience. See how stupid that sounds?

Having an optional feature does not add to the base cost of the machine. Saying that you need to go out and buy a 3Dtv for the PS3 is fuc**** stupid, and I pointed that out.


RE: Move
By sviola on 6/16/2010 5:34:38 PM , Rating: 2
Now, now...you're very nervous, you should calm down and put the kool-aid aside as if you want to start offending someone you should be prepared to be offended as well.

First, you need to learn how to read. I said:

quote:
it seems to me that to get the COMPLETE gaming experience


See the word complete? It means the following:
quote:
1. having all parts or elements; lacking nothing ; whole; entire; full


So, to simplify for you, when I said that I was refering to the complete gaming experience the PS3 can offer, I included Motion sense gaming and 3D gaming and to be able to enjoy these you will have to acquire the Move controller (for Motion sense) and a 3DTV and glasses (for 3D gaming). Altough, to play games in PS3 you need none of them, but then, you won't be getting all the console has to offer.

All I said is for someone to enjoy a COMPLETE (a.k.a. FULL , LACKING NOTHING ) PS3 GAMING EXPERIENCE (which includes the Move and 3D), you'll need to buy:

PS3 console + Move Controller + 3D Glasses + 3DTV

Which is more expensive than an XBOX COMPLETE GAMING EXPERIENCE, which only requires one to buy (as it lacks 3D gaming at this time and the near future):

XBox console + Kinetic Accessory + XBox Live Subscription

And I even added a 5 year subscription of Live, as I believe that would be a fair amount of time someone buying the system would be using (on a yearly basis, of course).

Is it that hard to comprehend?

Second, your Folding at Home example has nothing to do with what I wrote.


RE: Move
By Phoque on 6/17/2010 6:01:01 PM , Rating: 2
Testosterone intoxication side-effect.


RE: Move
By jmbender on 6/18/2010 9:32:26 AM , Rating: 2
sounds to me like the "complete" XBOX gaming experience has less to offer than the "complete" PS3 gaming experience.


RE: Move
By Quadrillity on 6/18/2010 10:01:26 AM , Rating: 2
Yep. And he's too stupid to understand how you can't add a 3Dtv to the expense of a gaming system... I don't care about his "complete experience" argument because it's retarded.


RE: Move
By Quadrillity on 6/18/2010 10:06:34 AM , Rating: 1
High blood pressure will lead to serious health problems. You should consult your doctor about that. Also, you are still stupid; Unfortunately, no amount of medical science can fix that though...


New Console Buyers
By MozeeToby on 6/15/2010 5:14:59 PM , Rating: 1
Maybe Sony doesn't care so much about new console buyers at this time. The move by itself will be had for less than $100 to start which is less than Kinetic. If you've got a webcam lying around and don't care about the navigation stick (I haven't heard yet how essential it will or won't be for most games) it'll only cost you $50 which seems like a pretty fair deal to me.




RE: New Console Buyers
By sviola on 6/16/2010 2:19:16 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
The move by itself will be had for less than $100 to start which is less than Kinetic.


But the Kinetic allow for up to 4 players at the same time. For move, you would have to get 4 controllers, which would take to $200, without web cam or navigation stick.

It is not cheap, but then, for those who want this new experience is not that overwhelming as the 3D gaming will be (if you consider that you'll need to buy a 3DTV).


RE: New Console Buyers
By afkrotch on 6/16/2010 8:32:36 PM , Rating: 2
Bet that's 4 ppl for simplistic games, while the rest will be only 1 player. Bet you aren't doing 4 players in like the next Halo game on the Kinetic. Bet it won't be very accurate either, as you add in more ppl.

As for 3D gaming, everyone gets that feature for free. Now, if you want to utilize that feature, you need a 3DTV. 360, no option at all for it.

For me, free stuff is always a good idea and if I think it's worth it, I'll do what I need to use it.

Personally, Kinetic, Move, Wii. All stupid gimmick motion controls.


YAWN!
By chmilz on 6/15/2010 6:03:29 PM , Rating: 2
'Nuff said.




RE: YAWN!
By tedrodai on 6/16/2010 10:32:59 AM , Rating: 2
Unfortunately, yes. I remember getting excited by E3 announcements in the past.


No sale....
By Icehearted on 6/16/2010 6:18:53 PM , Rating: 2
I have a 360, I want a PS3, but the price is still way too high. I already have a good gaming console, and the exclusives are still too scant to justify paying nearly as much as I did for my TV for one of these things.




RE: No sale....
By afkrotch on 6/16/2010 8:49:02 PM , Rating: 2
A PS3 costs $299 for the base model. Ya, it's not cheap, but neither is a 360 Elite.


I never quite understood...
By dxf2891 on 6/16/2010 11:07:20 AM , Rating: 2
why these debates or arguments end up in the forums. Consumers are going to buy what they want regardless of what we post. Me, I'm a techno-geek. I purchase new tech because I want to understand it. I owned the original Xbox 360 20 gig, it was stolen and I got the 360 Elite. I purchased the original PS3 60 gig and the original Wii. The 360 dominates my time for a few reasons: 1) The majority of my friends on Xboxes, 2) Xbox Live offers a better, albeit more expensive, experience, 3)IMO the library of games are better. I'll play the PS3 if there is an exclusive game (i.e. iNfamous, God of War III, etc.) I want to play, and the Wii if I have guests over and we engage in social gaming. My 11 year old son primarily plays the Wii and the PS3 is my blu ray device. The 360 is my gaming system. This is not an indictment of any one system, but just the facts. Like the PS2 before, the 360 got a years jump on the other two systems. The PS3 and the Wii were therefore compared to the 360 for good, bad or indifference. And with a years worth of games (some heavy hitters like Halo and Gears of War) under its belt, it became the standard and the other two systems outside of novelty hasn't offered anything to beat it.




RE: I never quite understood...
By Quadrillity on 6/16/2010 11:35:59 AM , Rating: 1
Next time, use paragraphs please.

Using "Halo" and "Gears of War" as examples for why 360 is better is laughable at best. Anyone with a keen eye for quality gaming does not list those two as an top quality/best in show.

Don't misunderstand me, the original Halo and the first GOW were very enjoyable, but it got old quick; and was in no way, shape, form, or fashion the best games out there. Just because millions of 9 year olds play it 24/7 does not make it the best.

If you want to talk about a quality game, then lets talk about MGS Guns of the Patriots...


Pretty expensive
By someguy123 on 6/15/2010 7:18:39 PM , Rating: 2
But what exactly where people expecting? The console alone is 299$.

The controller itself seems like it should be cheaper, but 35$ for a camera seems like a pretty decent deal.




Price VS Value VS Life Span
By DarthKaos on 6/16/2010 2:43:13 PM , Rating: 2
OK the argument of who has the better price always breaks down to what does each consumer value. If you value a machine that plays blu-ray movies, games, and can get online than maybe the PS3 is the best value/price. If you just want to play games alone than maybe the 360 is the best value/price.

However I think Sony has a different long term plan that what most people realize. The PS3 is meant to be a 10 year product minimum. Right now many people view it as the most expensive console on the market. However I believe Sony is banking on the fact that no other company will be able to come out with a better system before the 10 year cycle is up for them. The PS3 will only get cheaper and it will continue to have all the features anyone could want for a complete entertainment unit. In 3 years will anyone want a standard def. motion control system or a game system that can't play 3D games and movies on blu-ray? I don't think so. At that time the PS3 bundled with Move could be $200. How will another company with the over head of R&D on a new system be able to compete with that? Does anyone see a technology coming out in the next 5 years that will make the PS3 obsolete?

I bought a PS3 on release day. I have upgraded the hard drive and have never had any issues. My daughter is 6 months old. I will not have to buy a new system in order to play 3D games with her, to play Move games with her, or watch 3D blu-ray movies with her. When the PS4 comes out the PS3 will still be great and she will love having her own system while Daddy plays his top of the line, good for 15 years, PS4.




THIS ARTICLE IS BS
By RYUUJIN on 6/17/2010 12:37:51 AM , Rating: 2
That 399.99 bundle isn't overpriced at all. This bundle is a combination of a ps3 plus the ps3 move sports starter bundle which is 99.99 by itself. Now I the subcontroller was included but the 99.99 bundle plus purchase of subcontroller will still under 150.00, the price of that other new motion controller system or whatever the heck you call it.




What is the deal?
By jmbender on 6/18/2010 3:05:34 AM , Rating: 2
How come I keep reading these posts from people who don't own a PS3 or XBOX 360? Get lost! I for one don't care to waste my 3 seconds reading your moronic comment.
quote:
.... I don't have a PS3 or XBOX but this is what I think, blah blah blah.........
And this applies to all those who had consoles and sold them. Don't come here and flame it up; it's an exclusive club that you are no longer welcome in.

Duh, we are gamers. We don't pity you because your wife made you quit gaming. Pansy.




Date ?
By Silver2k7 on 6/18/2010 4:09:04 AM , Rating: 2
"Sony says that by March 2011, twenty 3D-enable titles will be available"

So will the move pack be out on the same date or what ??
I saw no specific mentions in this article..




Wow.
By Chiisuchianu on 6/15/10, Rating: 0
"We don't know how to make a $500 computer that's not a piece of junk." -- Apple CEO Steve Jobs











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