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Sony's BDP-300 shipping with $499 price tag

Sony announced in February that it planned to ship its second-generation Blu-ray Disc player at $599.99 this summer – but before the product has even hit the market, the manufacture slashed the product’s price by $100. The BDP-300 is now officially set for $499.99, a price at half of what players cost at Blu-ray’s introduction.

When Blu-ray Disc players first hit the market, be it either the Samsung BD-P1000 or the Sony BDP-S1, they were selling for $999.99. Of course, when the PlayStation 3 hit, one could buy a 20GB machine capable of playing the new, high-def media for half that $499.99. Sony later discontinued the 20GB PS3, but even the $599.99 60GB machine was cheaper than any standalone Blu-ray player. Samsung also dropped prices for its second-generation offering, the BD-P1200, which comes in at $799.99.

The Sony BDP-300, at $499.99, will finally be the cheapest way to get into Blu-ray Disc players without buying one that comes with a gaming component. The move is likely a good one both for Sony’s electronics and gaming divisions. Those who were buying a PS3 for its Blu-ray movie capabilities, without any plans on buying any gaming software, were hurting Sony Computer Entertainment Inc.’s bottom line, as it is well publicized that the PS3 consoles are sold at a loss.

In April, a Sony subsidiary said that it was able to increase production of blue-violet laser diodes used in Blu-ray drives. The production jump and lowering prices of components were likely at play for new price of Sony’s player. The BDP-300 is shipping to retailers this week.



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Still cost way to much...
By Marlin1975 on 6/4/2007 11:43:23 AM , Rating: 2
You can get a HD-DVD player for less then $300, so $500 is still way to high unless they are trying to push people to buy a PS3 at only $100 more?

That and with rumors that Wal-Mart will be selling a cheap HD-DVD player later this year will only make this price seem even worse.




RE: Still cost way to much...
By AlexWade on 6/4/07, Rating: -1
RE: Still cost way to much...
By jtdwab on 6/4/2007 12:38:31 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
You do know that not every Blu-Ray player can play all Blu-Ray movies?


Thats not exactly true. All movies can play in all players The difference is that some of the extended features that may not play. You can always watch the movie. Eitherway both sides have had problems getting discs to play in every machine everytime.

quote:
The other reason I like HD DVD better is all movies use VC-1, which is visually superior to MPEG-2.


This is also not exacly true. HD DVD support titles in Mpeg, VC-1 and AVC. Some have been released in VC-1 and some in AVC. It is true that none have been released in Mpeg but it is also true that a properly done MPEG2 is visually equivalent ot VC-1 only bigger. The screwup here is in Sony not taking the time to get the conversions right on the initial releases and a screw up on samsung for the initial player. Many movies are now being released in all codecs for Blu-Ray as well.

Just a couple thoughts


RE: Still cost way to much...
By Nobody Else on 6/4/2007 12:51:04 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You do know that not every Blu-Ray player can play all Blu-Ray movies?


Feel free to enlighten me, as I'm sure you can answer this more quickly than I can try to look it up. Exactly which Blu-Ray player cannot play which Blu-Ray movie? I'm aware that some current BR players cannot utilize some of the more advanced BR-java features included on some discs, but it was my understanding that all current players are capable of playing all movies on Blu-Ray discs.

Thanks.


RE: Still cost way to much...
By hantak on 6/4/2007 9:27:48 PM , Rating: 2
I believe he is referring to issues surrounding "The Descent".

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Technical_G...

When the user put the disc in a player, it would not load at all. From my understanding, they couldn't get it to play normally on several Sony stand-alone players.

But it played fine on a PS3.

The reasoning was that the stand-alone players weren't updated with the latest firmware.


RE: Still cost way to much...
By chick0n on 6/4/07, Rating: -1
RE: Still cost way to much...
By room200 on 6/4/2007 10:45:08 PM , Rating: 2
There always has to be some ignorant, rude, tough guy (from behind the safety of a keyboard) who responds in a way totally unnecessary.


RE: Still cost way to much...
By Mitch101 on 6/4/2007 12:16:37 PM , Rating: 2
I saw the HD-DVD player with 5 free movies for $240.00 and most recently someone posted it was $200.00 somewhere. This was for the version 2 not the version 1 player.

Im betting if they had enough of those HD-DVD players for sale that Disc sales are going to get very interesting the next month or two.

I would have bought it but being as the wife scalded me for buying a Nintendo Wii this weekend I didnt want to be too far in the dog house. She didnt fall for the kids needing it either. On a second note this really sucks while HD is moving main stream it still sucks that we dont have a clear winner. So even though its $200.00 I couldnt buy one based on the idea that certain movies I want might not come out for it. I hate this but I can play Wii until there is a winner or an alternative that plays both.


RE: Still cost way to much...
By steven975 on 6/4/2007 12:47:57 PM , Rating: 2
I think Toshiba lowering the price has really accelerated HD-DVD sales.

Take this for what it's worth:
The Toshiba HD-A2 was the #1 Electronics item on Amazon for a little while. Electronics includes cameras, memory cards, etc.

The HD-A2 has been the #1 selling DVD player on Amazon for a while now. That includes regular DVD, Blu-Ray, and HD-DVD players. ALL THREE Toshiba models (including the A20 and XA2) are consistently in the top 25 DVD players at Amazon. A Samsung Blu-Ray player occasionally gets #25 but no other BD players hit the top 50. The HD-DVD players are selling like hotcakes, as is the Xbox HD-DVD drive.


RE: Still cost way to much...
By FITCamaro on 6/4/2007 2:57:33 PM , Rating: 1
Yes but a few million PS3s being out there as well also has contributed to a large number of Blu-ray players being in the channel. There's probably 3-4x the number of PS3s out there being used for playing Blu-ray movies than actual standalone players.

If theres one thing that will definitely win HD-DVD this battle, its price. With this new Sony player, that still puts them $250-300 away from being as cheap as HD-DVD. The only thing Blu-ray has going for it is that Sony owns a lot of movie studios and will fight to the bitter end to not have another failed format.


RE: Still cost way to much...
By steven975 on 6/4/07, Rating: 0
RE: Still cost way to much...
By borowki on 6/4/2007 3:38:41 PM , Rating: 2
Where are the cheap HD-DVD drives for PCs? If they sell a $100 drive, I'll bite.


RE: Still cost way to much...
By Future145 on 6/4/2007 8:09:27 PM , Rating: 3
there is one but its $200.
its the xbox 360 HD-DVD drive, its usb based so you can connect it to your PC and it will work.
anandtech did a review on it
http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2890


RE: Still cost way to much...
By Timeless on 6/4/2007 2:11:39 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
That and with rumors that Wal-Mart will be selling a cheap HD-DVD player later this year will only make this price seem even worse.


Why must people bring up the rumor that Wal-mart is getting Hd-DVDs? Unless you have facts to prove your rumors, please don't fill this place up with random stuff. Last I heard, that rumor was proven false. If you can prove me wrong, then I apolgize.


RE: Still cost way to much...
By h0kiez on 6/4/2007 2:34:50 PM , Rating: 2
How exactly does a rumor get "proven false"?

Does Wal-Mart commenting "we know nothing about this deal" mean that it was proven false? If the rumor was that Wal-Mart will roll out cheap HD DVD players late 2007, I'm pretty sure the only way to prove it false would be to wait for late 2007.


RE: Still cost way to much...
By borowki on 6/4/2007 3:21:48 PM , Rating: 2
From the Register:

quote:
In short, it was bidding for Wal-Mart's business, which it had not yet won. Either way, Wal-Mart appears interesting in acquiring a heap of cheap HD DVD players, and even if Fukuhiko/Fuh Yuan fails to win the manufacturing contract, some other Asian manufacturer will.

The rumor is very much still alive...


RE: Still cost way to much...
By ATC on 6/5/2007 2:34:43 AM , Rating: 2
I don't know about this rumour. I've read so many threads on so many sites about it and so many different translations (correct me if I'm wrong but the original rumour was in Chinese). There seem to be a number of those who believe it's an HD-DVD that they're getting and an equal number of those who think it will be BD.

No one knows and I would take this rumour with a huge grain of salt.

I will say this though; at three local Walmarts I see a pattern where shelf space for BD movies is three times that of HD-DVD titles. Obviously Walmart is at least as much behind BD as they are behind HD-DVD which makes me think that, if anything, Walmart will most likely get cheap players for both formats.


By theapparition on 6/5/2007 7:44:37 AM , Rating: 2
I'm going to have to agree with you here. How many times did Microsoft get asked about the HDMI Xbox360, with a cryptic "We have no plans at this time to release any new models". Companies don't always post their corporate stategies on the web.

Playing devil's advocate though, I don't believe anywhere it was mentioned HD-DVD. It was just assumed because of the price.


RE: Still cost way to much...
By Hakuryu on 6/4/2007 3:27:50 PM , Rating: 3
I may be wrong, but I saw a commercial a couple of days ago for a HD-DVD player for $199 along with 2 movies... I thought it was from Wal Mart, but I wasn't really paying attention.


RE: Still cost way to much...
By FITCamaro on 6/4/07, Rating: -1
RE: Still cost way to much...
By mezman on 6/4/2007 3:51:57 PM , Rating: 2
Why, unless you have some moral objection to Wal-Mart? I certainly wouldn't ask for advice from a Wal-Mart monkey, but if they had a product I was looking for at a good price I'd pop in and buy it.


RE: Still cost way to much...
By Belard on 6/4/2007 4:04:59 PM , Rating: 2
Local Best Buy is still selling the Toshiba HD-A2 for $399.99 but on the weekend, they toss in 2-3 movies.

The New SONY and Samsung players are only $100 more expensive...

Still... both formats have under 300 titles (more BR titles tho) - so no big hurry.


RE: Still cost way to much...
By steven975 on 6/4/2007 6:18:37 PM , Rating: 2
No, best buy has had the A2 for $299 (after instant rebate)for over a week, plus you get the 5 free ones from Toshiba.

My local BB has had three open box BD players for over a week. They are the $499 ones, and they just are not selling. Meanwhile, the HD-A2s they get are gone within a day.


RE: Still cost way to much...
By erikejw on 6/4/2007 6:59:51 PM , Rating: 2
Toshiba HD-A2 does not support 1080p(checked the fact right now).

Why anyone would bother to buy a player who does not support the 1080p movies is beyond me.


RE: Still cost way to much...
By FITCamaro on 6/4/2007 11:37:13 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe because the majority of people don't have 1080p TVs? And by the time they do, they can buy a new player.


RE: Still cost way to much...
By theapparition on 6/5/2007 8:02:02 AM , Rating: 3
Yet somehow, every single HD-DVD movie I have looks better than BR. (I have both players, and about 40 HD-DVD movies and 30 BR movies)

The difference between 1080p and 1080i is almost indistigushable for most people. On some BR players, they render the movie in 1080i, then have an internal scaler to upconvert to 1080p. What's the difference if the player is doing it, or the TV?

BTW, as someone else pointed out, most HDTV's are 720p, a small but growing number are 1080p. Most LCD's even have 1366x768 resolution (not native 1280x720), so some scaling has to occur. The more scaling, the worse the picture. Plasmas get even worse interpolation, since most are 1024 x 768 resolution.

All in all, a moot point. Now I'm waiting to hear someone bring up HDMI 1.3 (which is completely un-noticable).


RE: Still cost way to much...
By erikejw on 6/6/2007 11:57:20 PM , Rating: 2
It is correct most TVs is not 1080p right now.
If you don't plan to upgarde your TV the next 10 years I'd buy the budget model since I cannot use 1080p anyway otherwise I'd put another 100$ in and get a better player and 1080p support.

"What's the difference if the player is doing it, or the TV?"

The scalers in decent players, DVD or HDDVD or Bluray are much much better than those in TVs. A few TV companies do though have good scalers like Pioneer etc.

Those who buy BR or HDDVD today are enthusiasts. I'd never ever recommend an enthusiast to buy a 1080i player.

If you watch an old movie you won't notice a difference between 1080i or p but all new ones with better cameras etc will have better picture if the actual recording is made in 1080p or better and all new movies are.


RE: Still cost way to much...
By erikejw on 6/4/2007 6:54:31 PM , Rating: 2
If I am not incorrect that cheap HDDVD player can't output 1080p. Why pay this much for a player that cannot support the quality in the source.

However the cheapest HDDVD player will still be cheaper but the difference is much smaller.


"It's the titles stupid..."
By androticus on 6/4/2007 9:23:46 PM , Rating: 3
Hardware prices will soon converge.

Titles. Titles. Titles.

BluRay has WAY more studio support, with only one studio I believe (Paramount) not supporting BluRay, but several not supporting HD DVD.

Look for the tide to shift if/when Paramount swallows its previous strident comments and supports BR, and/or combo-players move into the single player price range.




RE: "It's the titles stupid..."
By steven975 on 6/5/2007 12:10:41 PM , Rating: 2
Paramount supports both formats.

HD-DVD has exlusive supporters Universal and Weinstein. Weinstein doesn't have a huge catalog but they have many prominent new Releases.

Blu-Ray has exclusive supporters Sony, Disney, and Fox. You should not that Fox support is on paper only. They have not released ANYTHING since February. Disney also seems to be slowing their releases, too. Many think Fox is going to jump over to HD-DVD because they sure are not doing BD anymore.

Warner/New Line and Paramount support both formats. Paramount releases basically everything in both, but Warner has way more titles that are HD-DVD exclusive.

The studio support argument, when viewed like this, becomes moot. Also, HD-DVD has way more releases planned (like 600 in 2007 alone straight from the HD-DVD forum, which does not have a history of BS UNLIKE the Blu-Ray forum!)


RE: "It's the titles stupid..."
By steven975 on 6/5/2007 12:14:23 PM , Rating: 2
also, if combo players move into the single format price range, I'd expect all the studios but Sony to go HD-DVD.

Why? money. A HD-DVD can be manufactured on EXISTING DVD equipment. They don't have to buy BD equipment from Sony, which is very expensive. Thus, HD-DVD costs them less to make and they can offer way more features because every HD-DVD player supports the advanced features unlike Blu-Ray where only a few players support the advanced features.

So, they would make more money releasing HD-DVD, and that's what they would probably do.


RE: "It's the titles stupid..."
By softwiz on 6/6/2007 10:00:34 AM , Rating: 2
HD-DVDs are becoming more and plentiful everyday. By the end of this year there's supposed to be like 300 HD-DVDs available for purchase.

AFAIK, HD-DVDs are not region coded like Blu-Ray media. So, if a title has been released elsewhere in another country and you don't wish wait then you could import it and play it.


RE: "It's the titles stupid..."
By steven975 on 6/6/2007 3:03:29 PM , Rating: 2
Actually it is more like 600 titles in 2007 alone, to bring the total to around 800. If you look at the releases upcoming, HD-DVD is ramping up, Blu-Ray is retreting.

The PS3 launch gave BD a big bump, no question. PS3 sales suck now, and PS3 owners buy an average of 0.5 discs per PS3. HD-DVD attach rates are way, way higher.

Also, HD-DVD player sales have gone up by like 5-10x in the last month. I think monthly HD-DVD player sales will match PS3 sales very soon. Standalone Blu-Ray players are insignificant and a non-issue; no one buys them.

On the no region coding issue...many BD "exclusive" titles are on HD-DVD...including SONY titles (Underworld, XXX and others)! There are many places selling them at about $30...not bad. I picked up T2 and Total Recall. The T2 HD-DVD version is vastly superior to the MPEG2 BD version.


Is it just me...
By behemothzero on 6/4/2007 11:41:39 AM , Rating: 2
...or did someone else read "Sony Drops Price..." and immediately hoped it was the the PS3?

Anyway, I'm not really that knowledgeable in Blu-Ray players, so as a gamer, is there someone should get this machine? Does it offer something the PS3 doesn't?




RE: Is it just me...
By Marcus Yam on 6/4/2007 11:51:38 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Anyway, I'm not really that knowledgeable in Blu-Ray players, so as a gamer, is there someone should get this machine? Does it offer something the PS3 doesn't?

It comes with a remote inside the box, which is something that is not packed with the PS3.

I can't stand using the SIXAXIS for movie controls, so I bought the Bluetooth remote for the PS3. Works like a charm.

So to answer your question, as a gamer, there is nothing that the BDP-300 can do that the PS3 can't aside from saving you around $125 (assuming you buy the remote for PS3).

Actually, there is ONE thing that the BDP-S300 would be better for, and that's for die-hard users of universal remotes like the Harmony series. Since the remote system on the PS3 is Bluetooth-based, Harmony remotes won't work.


RE: Is it just me...
By theapparition on 6/5/2007 8:07:38 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Actually, there is ONE thing that the BDP-S300 would be better for, and that's for die-hard users of universal remotes like the Harmony series. Since the remote system on the PS3 is Bluetooth-based, Harmony remotes won't work.

Correct, without IR functionality, universals won't work. Harmony's are crap though, I much prefer the Universal Remote line up. Not a big fan of the Pronto's either.


RE: Is it just me...
By oTAL on 6/4/2007 11:53:22 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Anyway, I'm not really that knowledgeable in Blu-Ray players, so as a gamer, is there someone should get this machine? Does it offer something the PS3 doesn't?


As a gamer???
It's just a standalone movie player... You place a BD disc and it plays the film... that's it...!


I wonder...
By nayy on 6/4/2007 11:55:20 AM , Rating: 2
How is this going to affect PS3 sales? So far being the cheapest BR player was one of the big selling points.
When is this coming out?, they may schedule the launch next to a couple strong game releases to affect sales as little as possible.




RE: I wonder...
By FITCamaro on 6/4/2007 12:12:54 PM , Rating: 1
Says it will be shipping this week. And yes the probably could affect PS3 sales.

I also agree with others that buying this new player is pretty dumb when for $100 more you get a games console and potentially a Linux box to run a MythTV client. However both are still outside my price range.

What I love is how a standalone player with no real added features (other than a remote) over the PS3 (as a blu-ray player) is only $100 less than a 60GB PS3. I mean is this Blu-ray player a PS3 without a hard drive, network port, or graphics chip (since cell probably is capable of doing the decoding since its good at non-branching tasks)?


RE: I wonder...
By PitViper007 on 6/4/2007 4:43:01 PM , Rating: 2
I think the price on this new BD player just goes to show how much of a loss Sony is taking on their PS3's. If they price the standalone player just $100 under the PS3, which can do so much more, they must be losing their collective shirts in the deal.

PitViper


RE: I wonder...
By chick0n on 6/4/07, Rating: -1
RE: I wonder...
By theapparition on 6/5/2007 8:15:41 AM , Rating: 2
The latest figures I saw, placed the diode savings at $10-20, not $100. Just because they reduced the price at last minute by $100, does not mean they saved $100 on the diode cost, in fact, the diode itself at the start of PS3 manufacturing (according to iSupply) didn't even cost $100. Sometimes, an item is priced not just solely on manufacturer cost + markup, but on market pricing, strategy, etc.

They probably reduced the price of this at the last minute to be competitive with current offerings, while still making a profit. And here is the biggest difference with the PS3, they almost certainly make a profit from the sale of these standalones, vs the PS3, which is at a known loss.


Still too Expensive
By Christopher1 on 6/4/2007 12:20:11 PM , Rating: 2
This Blu-Ray player is still way too expensive. I know that it is a 'first-generation' product, but it's still exceptionally overpriced for what you are getting.




RE: Still too Expensive
By bldckstark on 6/4/2007 12:36:18 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Sony announced in February that it planned to ship its second-generation Blu-ray Disc player at $599.99 this summer


Is it an okay price now that it is second gen?


RE: Still too Expensive
By theapparition on 6/5/2007 8:18:33 AM , Rating: 2
By the OP's logic, that price would be even worse for a second gen product.

But I still that both HD-DVD and BR are still in their infancy in the adoption stage, and despite marketing speak, are first generation products.


expensive, no?
By Gul Westfale on 6/4/2007 11:45:25 AM , Rating: 2
i'm not a fan of the PS3, but buying one of those makes more sense than buying a machine that costs the same but can only play movies. i read a review of the PS3 as a movie player in sound&vision magazine a while ago, and it came out pretty good- they said audio wqas lacking a bit but otherwise it held up well against the two dedicated players they were testing it against.
maybe by christmas blu-ray players will be closer to $250?
anyway i'm still waiting for a decently priced PC drive...




End of Sony BDP-S1?
By daftrok on 6/4/2007 1:28:07 PM , Rating: 2
Will they stop selling the Sony BDP-S1 Blu-ray player when this comes out? I mean, only some idiot will buy it after this new player will come out.




By lonehorse on 6/6/2007 11:58:27 AM , Rating: 2
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By rykerabel on 6/4/2007 2:24:45 PM , Rating: 2
Thats odd, I just searched Costco.com and their cheapest Hd-DVD player is $429. Thats the discount price, not the MSRP. Wonder what the actual discount price of the new BR player will be.


By rykerabel on 6/4/2007 2:29:05 PM , Rating: 2
also interesting is the quantity of movies at costco.com

HD-DVD: 25
Blu-Ray: 86

yeah.

Just the facts, I leave the subjective opinions to you.


By steven975 on 6/4/2007 6:21:08 PM , Rating: 3
the official price of the HD-A2 is $299. Many places have it for $250. Plus you get 5 HD-DVDs from Toshiba.


By Xerxes666 on 6/5/2007 3:01:23 AM , Rating: 2
I don't get why people are so fixated on hardware prices. On thing is for sure - the prices will only go down! So why not look at the more important issue - the content?

HD-DVD has such a major disadvantage on that front that I would never buy only a HD-DVD player. Sure I'd like Universal titles, but more so I would like the exclusive Blu-ray titles from Sony, Colombia, MGM, Disney, 20th Century Fox and the others that I can't remember right now.

And to one of the first comments that said that HD-DVD could do AVC and VC-1 and Blu-ray could not. That's not true, Blu-ray releases titles encoded with all codecs now. But nice try.

Personally I'm a movie fan and I want movies from ALL the studios. Hence I'll buy both formats. But if someone held a gun to my head and said I could only buy one format, then I'd get Blu-ray for sure - because it's technically superior and it has way more support (also on the hardware front in case you'd actually like to have some different models to choose from).


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