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Sony BWU-200S Blu-ray Burner  (Source: Sony)
Sony's newest Blu-ray burner cuts 50GB disc burn time in half

Sony announced today a new updated internal Blu-ray burner for PC. The new drive doubles the write speed as compared to previous Blu-ray BD-R burners inside computer systems. The new BWU-200S Blu-ray burner cuts burn time in half allowing a full 50Gb BD-R disc to be burned in about 45 minutes. Previous drives were 2x drives and the burn time was around 90 minutes for a BD-R disc.

In addition to burning BD-R discs, the drive can also burn DVD+/-R discs at 16x, DVD DL burning is supported as well. Software is included with the burner that allows for the capture, authoring, editing, burning and viewing of high-definition content captured in HDV 1080i format from HDV camcorders.

With the BWU-200S a BD-R or BD-RW disc can store up to 230 minutes of HD video. Sony uses a SATA interface rather than the PATA interface more common to optical drives. The form factor is the standard 5.25-inch internal size and the drive and its software are compatible with Windows XP and Vista.

“Advanced optical storage technologies, such as Blu-ray Disc technology with its vast capacity compared to DVD technology, will be key enablers for next generation PC applications like HD personal video content and high-definition TV recording,” said Wolfgang Schlichting, research director for removable storage at IDC. “Sony's many innovations in optical storage have prepared the company to be a leader in the Blu-ray Disc writable market.”

The BWU-200S will be available directly from Sony in November for around $600 and is available for pre-order now.



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Seriously, Blu-Ray burner?
By JackBurton on 10/9/2007 6:43:38 PM , Rating: 5
What the heck am I going to do with a Blu-Ray burner? Burn incredibly expensive home movies? Backup data to it? With $13 per disc media (25GB), I don't think so. You want to use 50GB media? That will be $34 per disc. LOL.

What I and MOST people want/need is a Blu-Ray player (reader) for my PC (HTPC). What's even better than a Blu-Ray player for your PC? A Blu-Ray AND HD-DVD combo drive for under $400:

http://www.cdrlabs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23697

Now THAT is what I'm talking about! :)




RE: Seriously, Blu-Ray burner?
By omnicronx on 10/9/2007 7:19:03 PM , Rating: 2
If the player itself were not so expensive, it wouldn't be that bad. I am sure you could put 40 low bit rate movies on one disc easy.I would love that.


RE: Seriously, Blu-Ray burner?
By Haltech on 10/9/2007 7:49:12 PM , Rating: 2
well considering the link one was only like 360 dollars and a regular blu ray player for computers cost more then I would say value vs price is pretty darn good.


RE: Seriously, Blu-Ray burner?
By Axbattler on 10/9/2007 7:21:33 PM , Rating: 2
Once they double the speed and half the price a couple of times, I can see it fitting to replace a DVD burner with a BD-burner. It's not like DVD media was significantly cheaper (if)per GB when it was first released. I am not aware of anything capable of succeeding DVD-burners in the medium terms other than BD/HD-DVD burners (short of going HD exclusively), so while it's fine to ignore them for now, are you going to stick with a DVD burner in 5 years time?


RE: Seriously, Blu-Ray burner?
By tjr508 on 10/9/07, Rating: -1
RE: Seriously, Blu-Ray burner?
By Christopher1 on 10/9/07, Rating: 0
RE: Seriously, Blu-Ray burner?
By RMSe17 on 10/9/2007 9:36:16 PM , Rating: 2
"Hard drives would go the way of the dodo if this happened, because everyone could burn everything to HD-DVD's or Blu-Ray discs (as long as they didn't degrade over time!)."

Anyone remember when people would say this about CD-RW? Then about DVD-RW? ;)


RE: Seriously, Blu-Ray burner?
By therealnickdanger on 10/10/2007 7:32:10 AM , Rating: 3
Exactly. So long as I can buy a 500GB hard drive for $100(RAID1 for $200), there will never be a reason for me to back up files to a disc. 64GB flash media will even soon undercut the cost of a BR-burner + discs the way things are going.


RE: Seriously, Blu-Ray burner?
By lumbergeek on 10/10/2007 11:14:37 AM , Rating: 3
There will ALWAYS be a reason to back up files to a disc. RAID is NOT a panacea, it only prevents data loss from a drive failure. It doesn't prevent data loss from a virus or other such crap that deletes your files (it will happily delete both (or more) drives) or a RAID failure that corrupts both (or more) drives.

So if you don't back up, you really ARE Nick livingDangerously.


RE: Seriously, Blu-Ray burner?
By euclidean on 10/10/2007 12:26:57 PM , Rating: 2
Six 250GB drives in RAID 5...1 for backup, 1 for parity, and 4 for the data. 1TB, speeds are nice, and really leaves no chance for failure unless your house burned down. Plus, external backup drives are cheap, and cheaper if you make them yourself, if you're worried about viruses. Haven't had a virus in 4 years now...so it's all been working for me. The only thing I use Optical media for is burning mix cds to listen in the car, or a movie to watch on the dvd player, which is getting to be rare since my PC hooks up to the projector just fine and plays everything perfectly.

So really, you both were right, depending on how you prefer to setup your computer...which there are many different ways to do that and tons of people out there that do all sorts of weird things. But optical media isn't very friendly nor is it as fast...so i'll stick to my RAID ;).


RE: Seriously, Blu-Ray burner?
By aos007 on 10/10/2007 2:24:17 PM , Rating: 2
All of them won't help you if a thief comes in or - as you mention yourself - your house gets destroyed in a fire, flood, earthquake or hell a meteor hit. Not to mention surge due to a lightning hit to the power grid.

If you REALLY care about your data, you'll have some offsite backup. A simple FTP of a few critical files can save the day. Imagine you're doing contract programming or design and just backup your contact list, mail and CAD files or source code. It isn't much more than a few GB. The alternative (and/or addition) is to burn a DVD every few months and take it to a safe deposit box.

That's where BluRay writeable comes in handy. I would love 50G disks and would pay up to $20 for each. Still too expansive though, and drives cost too much as well. Up to $250 per drive and up to $20 per media is what I'd personally pay.


RE: Seriously, Blu-Ray burner?
By Zoomer on 10/10/2007 8:51:01 PM , Rating: 2
Well, first it must be understood that RAID is a high avaliability solution, not a backup solution.

What if files are accidentally overwritten? Or if RIAA released a virus that searches for and writes random bits to files identified as audio?


RE: Seriously, Blu-Ray burner?
By The0ne on 10/10/2007 1:57:08 PM , Rating: 2
This is just way too funny for me not to comment on. Apparently there are clueless people out there that don't expect "certain" things to stop functioning after a while. 500Gig HD dead, all the data gone just like that. Simply too funny.


RE: Seriously, Blu-Ray burner?
By psyph3r on 10/13/2007 1:28:46 PM , Rating: 2
that's what raid is for....then you back up the raid to tape.


RE: Seriously, Blu-Ray burner?
By RMSe17 on 10/9/2007 9:34:32 PM , Rating: 3
Remember, CD's had the same thing. Give it time.


RE: Seriously, Blu-Ray burner?
By luhar49 on 10/10/2007 5:40:06 AM , Rating: 5
Its laughable when people read a news about a new product and then slam it by saying it doesnt meet what THEY want.

They forget that technology takes time to develop and costs to come down. You lot should just thank the people who will buy the current expensive product so that cheaper variants can be introduced in future(for you).


RE: Seriously, Blu-Ray burner?
By Samus on 10/10/2007 5:52:08 AM , Rating: 2
at 600 bucks thats a pretty good value for 50gb of archive grade backup at $13 a pop.


RE: Seriously, Blu-Ray burner?
By deeznuts on 10/10/2007 12:46:16 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
What I and MOST people want/need is a Blu-Ray player (reader) for my PC (HTPC).

So now do we wait for "most people" to chime in saying that's not what they want? I bet most people dont' watch movies on their PC/HTPC and would actually rather have a standalone.

By the way, so nice of you to be the voice for "most people." Media should come down, burners should come down. I remember when DVD burners, regular DVD burners hit $500 and I was like, I'll still wait, then it hit $200 and I bought, and now their $30.

What the heck are you going to do with a DVD burner? I'll bet you own one some day, and you'll probably be using it. For me, I work at an investment adviser, we're required to store our electronic records in a non-rewritable, searchable storage medium. Guess what fits that bill?


RE: Seriously, Blu-Ray burner?
By retrospooty on 10/10/2007 10:28:35 PM , Rating: 2
True dat !


RE: Seriously, Blu-Ray burner?
By BZDTemp on 10/11/2007 6:23:16 AM , Rating: 2
Well the first CD burner I used (a SONY btw) was an external thing the size of a big VCR and it cost aprox. $8000 plus a monster PC was needed to feed it data fast enough and the CD-R's was like $15-20 a piece. Prices will come down.

If you compare Blue-ray storage to other media all ready the current prices are interesting. It sure is cheaper than DLT in many ways but of course if you only need a limited amount of storage then you can find cheaper and faster solutions (for now).


DL DVD is good enough for me
By Rampage on 10/9/2007 6:55:26 PM , Rating: 4
And still too expensive by itself.

For me, shiny discs die with DVD.
The 90's are over.

Online distro or HDD storage for me after this.




RE: DL DVD is good enough for me
By winterspan on 10/9/2007 8:04:54 PM , Rating: 3
Online distro?? I hope you don't live in the USA. If so, and you don't live in one of the most populated 20 cities, you are DREAMING that you'll ever have the capacity to move around 30-40GB movies at a time. Fiber internet? 10 years with our telecom monopoly and their minions of lobbyists sucking off congress.
Unless a *MAJOR* revolution happens, solid state memory, whether flash or something else, will not take the place of optical media for a long time.


RE: DL DVD is good enough for me
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 10/10/2007 8:00:51 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Fiber internet? 10 years with our telecom monopoly and their minions of lobbyists sucking off congress.

Verizon FiOS, you can get it now in several places.


RE: DL DVD is good enough for me
By SexyK on 10/10/2007 8:45:53 AM , Rating: 2
Yep, had it for 6 months now. You can get a 30Mbit package but I figured 15Mbit would be enough for now. ;)


RE: DL DVD is good enough for me
By Oregonian2 on 10/12/2007 3:47:14 PM , Rating: 2
I'll be signing up in the next few weeks for the 15Mbit service too (30 has too big of a price jump, two 15's would be cheaper -- strange pricing). They just dug up our street (well, in spots) this last summer.


RE: DL DVD is good enough for me
By Locutus465 on 10/10/2007 1:09:18 PM , Rating: 2
I just put in my addy here in Morrisville NC (just out side of Raleigh for those that don't know) and sadly, no service :(


Slow progress of the HD era
By scrapsma54 on 10/9/2007 6:55:37 PM , Rating: 2
Why do I get the feeling that HD-DVD and Blu-ray isn't going to be adopted as easily as DVD?
Dvd seemed like an update to the SDTV's quality. Blu/HD disks feel like an price popper for those without the benefits of 7.1 surround.




RE: Slow progress of the HD era
By goku on 10/9/2007 8:31:26 PM , Rating: 2
I feel the same way, infact I'd much rather have double sided DVD discs with the other side containing an Mpeg4/Divx copy of the movie to play on newer DVD players instead of getting a whole new player in blu-gay or HowDumb-DVD format. :P Only kidding about the format names but I still hate the format war..


RE: Slow progress of the HD era
By retrospooty on 10/9/2007 8:55:03 PM , Rating: 2
I recall paying $350 for a progressive scan DVD player when they first came out, and that only upped the res from std dvd from 480i to 480p. Now we are getting 1080p with HD-DVD and BR. That is how new stuff works, its always expensive at first. It will drop, a few years from now we we all be enjoying cheap high def goodies.


RE: Slow progress of the HD era
By scrapsma54 on 10/10/2007 9:17:55 AM , Rating: 2
I know, and there still are dvd players for $500 out there that have a DVR installed. But, when DVD first came out it wasn't required to get a EDTV (yes 480p has been out for a while) to unlock the potential of that quality media. The newer formats require some really expensive cables, like HDMI and Fiber optic just because of HDCP and DRM BS. It seems like this format war is about anti-piracy and glorified resolutions. Sure pictures are sharper, but are they superior in vibrancy compared to DVD? Remember Toshiba's Colorstream? The best looking presentation of a 480i source since Far Cry: Instincts on Xbox.


RE: Slow progress of the HD era
By Locutus465 on 10/10/2007 1:05:28 PM , Rating: 2
Was at best buy the other day and noticed the standard price of the Toshiba A2 player had dropped to $250... Not bad at all for HD-DVD, my guess is that sooner rather than later HD-DVD (specifically) will be encrouching the same price range and standard DVD players. I can guarontee you that adoption will skyrocket when that happens.

As for BD, well... The cheapest player I've seen thus far was just under $500 at the local walmart. Great price for BD, but far from the kind of pricing you get for HD-DVD... Also, I'm not sure if that was a normal price, or if it was being speacially marked down for any reason.


What Sony should do..
By daftrok on 10/9/2007 10:49:07 PM , Rating: 1
ONE stand alone 1080p Blu Ray player with HDMI 1.3 and DoblyTrueHD and whatnot: $199.99
Blu-ray reader/DVD burner/CD burner: $99.99
Blu-ray burner/DVD burner/CD burner: $199.99
40 GB PS3 WITH Backwards Compatibility and rumble controller (10 ft USB cord) and 5 free blu ray movies and spiderman 3: $299.99
80 GB PS3 WITH Backwards Compatibility and 2 rumble controllers (10 ft USB cord) and 5 free blu ray movies and Motorstorm: $399.99

Do this and Blu-ray will win hands down. Will they do it? NO! IDIOTS!




RE: What Sony should do..
By daftrok on 10/9/2007 11:06:03 PM , Rating: 1
Oh yeah:
25 GB burnable BD: $9.99
50 GB burnable BD: $19.99
BD movies: $24.99 MAX
DVD movies WITH LIMITED EDITION ALWAYS GRRR: $9.99 MAX
BD rentals: $3.99 five days MAX
DVD rentals: $0.99 five days MAX


RE: What Sony should do..
By luhar49 on 10/10/2007 5:42:46 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
ONE stand alone 1080p Blu Ray player with HDMI 1.3 and DoblyTrueHD and whatnot: $199.99
Blu-ray reader/DVD burner/CD burner: $99.99
Blu-ray burner/DVD burner/CD burner: $199.99
40 GB PS3 WITH Backwards Compatibility and rumble controller (10 ft USB cord) and 5 free blu ray movies and spiderman 3: $299.99
80 GB PS3 WITH Backwards Compatibility and 2 rumble controllers (10 ft USB cord) and 5 free blu ray movies and Motorstorm: $399.99

Do this and Blu-ray will win hands down. Will they do it? NO! IDIOTS!


Sure they can do this, if they are running a charity instead of a business.


RE: What Sony should do..
By mars777 on 10/10/2007 2:20:17 PM , Rating: 2
They will do it. And not for charity...

BUT IN A FEW YEARS :)


Can it play pressed BD movies?
By giantpandaman2 on 10/9/2007 7:11:11 PM , Rating: 2
Or is it still not allowed?




By Christopher1 on 10/9/2007 9:28:01 PM , Rating: 2
What are you talking about? You can play Blu-Ray discs on a computer Blu-Ray drive, they haven't initiated that stupid "Downconvert if the outputs aren't the ones we want" yet and it appears that they never will.


It's a sony...
By tjr508 on 10/9/2007 8:49:42 PM , Rating: 2
Are they going to OEM their own this time? Are they going to completly quit supporting it less than two years or so like they do their DVD burners?




RE: It's a sony...
By Christopher1 on 10/9/2007 9:35:22 PM , Rating: 2
DVD burners are so cheap and cheaply made now that they should stop supporting it in less than two years.

Frankly, if I have a DVD drive that lasts for more than 1 1/2 years and I get 200 disks burnt out of it, I say that I got my money's worth out of it.


Still too pricey...
By troublesome08 on 10/9/2007 6:44:28 PM , Rating: 2
Until the media itself becomes cheaper, and there is a clear leader in the next gen hi-def war, I'm not interested...

If I were looking into a next-gen optical burner, I would probably look for one that would burn HD-DVD as well as Blu-Ray, just to cover my a**.




eh...so expensive
By dflynchimp on 10/9/2007 8:41:08 PM , Rating: 2
hmm...unless PS3 games are copy protected...there might still be a future... not

For that price one might as well buy a couple terrabytes worth of hard drives instead. Most people probably aren't burning Hi Def home videos large enough ti surpass DVDs, and if one was hoping to pirate games/movies or what not, that price is too big an investment...




blue ray is great...user base isn't
By psyph3r on 10/9/2007 8:54:52 PM , Rating: 2
unless everyone starts buying them, the price will merely slowly drop. Just like cd's did, and just like DVD's did. there isn't enough volume for cheap discs yet. stop complaining and wish for the best when these discs are 25 cents a pop :)...or a dollar by the time that happens. i applaud the increase in speed. reminds me of the 2x cd burner days...wow

I'll be getting one. i would love to be able to send family and friends 50 gigs of data through the mail. that might be faster than my 120 kb upload rate. Honestly I'll never store information on anything other than hardrives. i never trust optical media due to the human factor and i like all my media to be instantly acessible. Luckily, with new hard drives now i will be able to store my whole network on five sata tb hds....that's mind boggling to me(and way out of pocket at the moment :( ).




We need some decent Movies
By Felofasofa on 10/9/2007 9:55:13 PM , Rating: 1
Unless we get some decent new movies I won't be upgrading anytime soon. I went to Video Ezy the other day,- it's been a bad year. 300, Spiderman and maybe the Da Vinci code have been the only big screen I-candy films this year, the rest has been garbage. You can only watch the old films so many times. We need Lucas or Jackson to come out with something worth watching.




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