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New 80GB PS3 hits market to occupy $599 price point

Sony Computer Entertainment America today announced the availability of the new 80GB PlayStation 3 at online and brick-and-mortar retailers in the United States and Canada. The 80GB model joins the existing 60GB PS3 that has been available at retail since launch last November.

The system, first announced nearly a month ago, is available immediately for a suggested retailer price of $599US/$659 CND and comes with the hit online-enabled off-road racing game MotorStorm packed in the box.

"The 80GB PS3 offers expanded options in the PS3 family of products for those who want to enjoy more downloadable content," said Peter Dille, senior vice president of marketing, SCEA. "The new model will provide ample storage space to meet the appetites of those who wish to download content today, and for many more years to come. With the expanded disk capacity and dynamic system upgrades, we have effectively created a system that is 'future-proof', providing consumers an exceptional entertainment value that will stand the test of time."

The 60GB PS3 is currently enjoying a surge in sales following a price reduction in the US and Canada on July 9 of $100 to $499/$549 CND. Sony originally told DailyTech that PS3 sales have increased 135 percent at the company's top five retailers two weeks following the price drop. Sony today adds that sales have jumped 113 percent when compared to the average sales of four weeks prior to the price drop.

SCEA will continue to sell the 60GB in the US and Canada at the new, reduced price until current inventory is depleted, which Sony predicts to be this fall based on current consumer demand.

Gamers who are interested in playing original PlayStation and PlayStation 2 games on Sony’s latest console are advised to consider the 60GB machine, as it still retains the backwards compatibility hardware that was removed following a recent hardware cost-cutting measure.



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Brilliant!
By FITCamaro on 8/7/2007 10:38:54 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
"The new model will provide ample storage space to meet the appetites of those who wish to download content today, and for many more years to come. With the expanded disk capacity and dynamic system upgrades, we have effectively created a system that is 'future-proof', providing consumers an exceptional entertainment value that will stand the test of time."


Yes....because 80GB is just such a huge upgrade over 60GB.

Nice try Sony. You've given us a console that costs more than its predecessor while delivering less value. What currently costs us $500, now costs us $450 if you take out the value of the game. Thats assuming you even want the game. For $50 we're getting 20GB. Not exactly a bargain.

At least with the 360 between the Premium and the Elite we're getting a HDMI interface, HDMI cable, and 100GB more for $100. With the PS3 you don't even get component cables much less a HDMI cable. You get both in the Elite box. As well as the adapter to route sound out of the standard connector to your receiver when using HDMI for video.




RE: Brilliant!
By michal1980 on 8/7/2007 10:48:43 AM , Rating: 2
just deny the exsitentance of that blu-ray drive in the m$ product why don't we.

oh wait because to add hd-video to the 360 adds 180 bucks.

hmm, wait we will also ignore wireless networking, why because that adds 100 dollars to the console as well.

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heres a hint, the 80gb ps3 will sell for 499 once the 60gb is gone.

this isn't m$ with its 10x different consoles.

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also I stated a long time ago the ps2 inside the ps3 will be removed in the n.a. market after some time.

it is all cost cutting.

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sonys goal = mutli function console that does NOT BREAK with 1 sku.

M$ = POS console with games, that breaks every three months and forces people to pick from 4 different versions, taking up 4 times the amount of floor space.

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RE: Brilliant!
By webdawg77 on 8/7/2007 10:55:55 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
sonys goal = mutli function console that does NOT BREAK with 1 sku.


That doesn't have any good games yet. No wonder no one was buying the PS3. Yes, it might change down the road; only time will tell. But, waiting for good games to come out is like waiting for that next CPU or GPU. If you keep waiting, you'll never have anything. The 360 has good games now. And if it breaks, M$ repairs it for free. So you don't get to play games for a week or so ... there are plenty of other things in life to do :).


RE: Brilliant!
By michal1980 on 8/7/07, Rating: 0
RE: Brilliant!
By webdawg77 on 8/7/2007 11:21:14 AM , Rating: 1
Repair time is 7-10 days. I talked with them on the phone this morning. If you are going to attempt an argument, at least keep your facts straight.

Isn't the point of a warranty to fix things for free? And not many other warranties that I know of include free shipping to and from the repair center. Sure, this wasn't the case from day 1, but Microsoft is fixing this.

And why exactly am I a M$ fanboi? Let's see, yes, I have a 360 and an original Xbox. I also still play a PS2 and a N64 on a regular basis along with my PC. Oh, what OS does your PC have on it? If you say something other than Windows, then what does the PC at work have on it?

There isn't a perfect console out there. At least the 360 is enjoyable for the reason it was created ... to play games :).


RE: Brilliant!
By deeznuts on 8/7/2007 1:33:59 PM , Rating: 2
Windows (an operating system) does not equal the 360 in any way shape or form. It's not even analogous.

Not liking the 360's hardware and using MS's OS (Software) is not hypocritical.


RE: Brilliant!
By vitul on 8/8/2007 4:08:46 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
by webdawg77 on August 7, 2007 at 11:21 AM

Repair time is 7-10 days. I talked with them on the phone this morning. If you are going to attempt an argument, at least keep your facts straight.

haha NO. that 7-10 days is when it hits the service center how long THEY WILL have it before shipping it out. They ship it to you via 3 day which usually takes 5 cuz they lag on sending the box.

Next you send it back to them which takes 3 days. Usually they dont say they accepted it for a day or 2 THEN which starts the 7-10 day process. From there they ship it back to you another 3 days. Keep in mind these are ALL business days. the normal process takes about 3-4 weeks. they have extendeed it you wont be getting it back in under 4-6 weeks now up to 8.

I have gone through this process 3 times and i just got mine back from microsoft 2 weeks ago after it was sitting there since may.

at 600 with motorstorm or at 500 with just the 60gig the ps3 is a better value then any of the 360 models. Its fact! sure the ps3 is more expensive and it doesnt have the cheapest price tag but ontop of just the console u also get 5 free games. AND they have 2 HUGE exclusives coming this nov in haze and UT3 which both will be competing right there with halo 3.

I don't even own a ps3 and i own a 360 but i will say the ps3 this time next year will be owning the console market to the console fans. i dont consider the wii in this race because its more of a casual system.

If that isint enough the ps3 has MGS4 coming as well as rockstars next exclusive after GTA4 drops. things are looking great for the ps3 in 3 months and beyond. While things for the 360 look shakey now and other then halo 3 they dont have as many great games coming out after. The fact gta4 got pushed back hurts them dearly since the 360 is getting exclusive live content.


RE: Brilliant!
By DingieM on 8/8/07, Rating: -1
RE: Brilliant!
By michal1980 on 8/8/07, Rating: 0
RE: Brilliant!
By DingieM on 8/8/2007 8:09:55 AM , Rating: 2
I'm no fan of M$, the reason I bought a console was the fact I didn't want Vista on my system. M$ Vista really sucks but "luckily" we have Windows XP as an option woohoo.

I don't like the fact that my jet-engine Xbox360 makes such a high-pitched noise its a blunder made by M$.
Luckily I never had my console broken otherwise I would be furious especially when it would have happened multiple times.

Its no secret I have a hate for $ony: it is fuelled by the blind arrogance of that firm stuffing all kinds "standards" through our throates and highly misleading the community with regard to the performance of the PS3. And yet what really pisses me off is that an extreme amount of blind $ony fanboys immediately believe that and fail to put off there pinky $ony love-glasses.
And even more the $ony arrogance and untruth that is coming out of their mouths is boldly copied to various newssites.

The added value of the whole PS3 package is quite good I admit that and if I was focused on the media center side I probably would have bought an PS3.

And I do have to dismiss PGR4 as being a systems seller. Further I stated Bioshock as a real exclusive but its out for the PC as well. Rumor has it that it will get an 10/10 by some reviewers. nonetheless it will sell a good amount of Xbox360's.

Ofcourse there are cool games on the PS3, and some nice inventions like LittleBigPlanet so I applaud the gaming community for that.
Some games on the Xbox360 also suck like those japanese fighting games and MMO's. I really find BlueDragon boring to hell and probably Lost Odessey as well although they look real good. DMC 4 I will not like either but that's the case with all japanese games.


RE: Brilliant!
By afkrotch on 8/8/2007 1:00:34 PM , Rating: 1
My take on things. I enjoy games on both system. For me, I'm on my 3rd Xbox 360. I bought my 1st one in Jan. That was 2 weeks after I bought my PS3.

My 1st PS3 runs great. Even after I got a nasty dent on the side, along with a chunk of plastic fallen off. That happened when I was hauling the box in my luggage on an airplane flight.

Sony actually seems to listen to it's community. There's tons of features we've been begging for and have received. Not all, but a good chunk.

Microsoft hasn't delivered us a browser, 16:10 ratio, or easy transfer of music. Maybe even the ability to save games on a usb key.

Also, WTF does not wanting Vista on your PC have to do with the Xbox 360?

As for the performance of the PS3 or Xbox 360. Both seem pretty even to me, with 360 developers pushing too hard. I don't know how many times I've had games on the 360 have a noticeable framerate drop. Course that's not Microsoft's fault or the consoles.

Blue Dragon looks good? Huh? Really? I own the Xbox 360 Blue Dragon bundle and I by no means find the game good looking. The game does suck balls though. I prefer Trusty Bell. It looks good and plays well. Great hybrid combat system.

The best game to ever come out on 360 was Gears of War. Probably the only good game. Lost Planet was trash, R6: Vegas has framerate drops that make me want to hurl, and Ghost Recon was only decent.


RE: Brilliant!
By DingieM on 8/7/2007 11:10:56 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
hmm, wait we will also ignore wireless networking, why because that adds 100 dollars to the console as well

What if we don't need it then we're stuck with it. Some of us want choice.
O and btw they are below 80$ or even less.
Second, I heard the Wi-Fi wasn't working that great on the PS3.
Third, physical cable network guaranteeds much better throughput and still is a nice solution.
Fourth, Wi-Fi hasn't matured enough.

quote:
just deny the exsitentance of that blu-ray drive in the m$ product why don't we

What if we don't need it then we're stuck with it. Some of us want choice.

quote:
heres a hint, the 80gb ps3 will sell for 499 once the 60gb is gone

Don't count on it again, they still loose an awful lot of money per console and will do that for a long time. Xbox360 65nm (hence considerable cost-cutting) versions are already in production for 2 quarters

quote:
this isn't m$ with its 10x different consoles

Actually they have two models: non-elite and elite.

quote:
sonys goal = mutli function console that does NOT BREAK with 1 sku

MS goal = give the customer choice and penentrate the mainstream market and not a niche market.

quote:
M$ = POS console with games, that breaks every three months and forces people to pick from 4 different versions, taking up 4 times the amount of floor space

Mine is 1 year old never broke always worked fine.
What do you mean with forcing the people? Its Sony who's forcing people with Wi-Fi, Blu-Ray etc. through their throats.
Maybe you don't understand choice?
And btw, my Xbox360 setup doesn't need much space, it just barely takes more space than a PS3. That isn't too hard is it?


RE: Brilliant!
By webdawg77 on 8/7/2007 11:14:56 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
And btw, my Xbox360 setup doesn't need much space, it just barely takes more space than a PS3. That isn't too hard is it?


I think he meant at retailers :).


RE: Brilliant!
By FITCamaro on 8/7/2007 12:27:20 PM , Rating: 2
It's still an invalid argument considering at Best Buy and every other major retailer, both consoles have the same floorspace for the actual console. If we wanna get down to it, the PS3 is taking up more due to them sitting on the shelf more from not being sold. If not for people wanting to get one before the current 60GB models, their sales would still be ungodly poor instead of just poor.

And as another guy said. I don't care about Blu-ray or Wi-Fi. If the Xbox 360 had Wi-Fi, I wouldn't use it. Nor will I use it when I eventually get a PS3 (when it hits $400). I don't feel like paying a premium for Blu-ray either when I won't use it. Microsoft made a games console with a media center extender addon. Sony made a media center with gaming functionality tacked on.


RE: Brilliant!
By webdawg77 on 8/7/2007 12:52:48 PM , Rating: 2
I wasn't validating the first argument. I was just pointing out what he probably meant :).

Floor space at the retailer VS space taken up in an entertainment center.


RE: Brilliant!
By darkpuppet on 8/7/2007 12:48:29 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Second, I heard the Wi-Fi wasn't working that great on the PS3.


may want to back that up with some facts as it sounds like an argument based on wishful thinking.

I'll be honest, Sony has screwed up lots, but I personally don't want a console with choice, because then you have two choices, make software that addresses the lowest common denominator, or make software with minimum requirements.

Sega gave their customers choice, but the choices never added up to the experience of the homogenous machines... and while Microsoft isn't exactly on the same track, we still all know what happened to Sega.

I was seriously considering buying a 360, but I'm not going to go through the hassle of continuously paying to upgrade the machine as they continually add SKUs... And now that the PS3 is near the same price as what I paid for the PS2 on day one, thoughts race back to buying the PS3.

I personally think Sony got it right by including HDMI and not the cable... at least the machine supports it and you don't have to go out and buy a whole new SKU to get HDMI -- just the cable.

Same with Blu Ray... include it now, so people don't have to upgrade later, and hell, if BD dies, there's a good chance a simple firmware upgrade would have it reading HDDVD.. which can't be said the other way arond...

Continually upgrading hardware is fine for some (especially in this day and age of disposable consumerism), but I was fine with only having to buy 2 PS2s through the console's life (first blew a surface mounted fuse using an aftermarket lightgun -- whoops).

I've never seen so many people on a technical forum complain about something with so much cutting-edge hardware...


RE: Brilliant!
By FITCamaro on 8/7/2007 2:04:30 PM , Rating: 2
How is the PS3 anywhere near the PS2s original price? It came out at $300. The 60GB PS3 is $500. I'd hardly call a minimum $200 difference in price "getting close to". Unless of course you were stupid and bought one on ebay at an inflated price just to be first.


RE: Brilliant!
By darkpuppet on 8/7/2007 3:05:06 PM , Rating: 3
I paid $449Cdn for my PS2 on Day 1 -- that was retail.
The PS3 is selling for $549Cdn.. that's a $100.. which is the price of what, a game and a controller?

And at that insane price, it didn't even include a component cable!!!

Just trying to put the technolgy/price gap into perspective.


RE: Brilliant!
By SirLucius on 8/7/2007 1:01:07 PM , Rating: 2
I don't know what you've heard about the wireless on the PS3 but it works fine for me, even in my wireless hellhole of a house (imagine low connections 20ft away from the router.) In fact, it works better than some of the computers in the house. And it's not like the PS3 doesn't come with ethernet cables or ports. A wired connection is a viable option.

Last I checked there were 3 Xbox 360 models - Core, Premium, Elite.

Otherwise I don't have any objection to what you said. I think the only point michael was trying to make is that if you want a 360 that is more comparable to a PS3 (wireless, HD player) it'll cost you a lot more in add-ons. But then again not everyone wants those features so it's nice to have the choice. Personally, I think Microsoft should have at least included wireless. Hell, even the Wii has built in wireless (with a wired connection as well) and it's the cheapest system of all. I don't see how it could have cost that much more to add it.


RE: Brilliant!
By orochi on 8/7/2007 2:12:00 PM , Rating: 2
The wii doesn't have a built in wired connection. You can buy a USB ethernet dongle for $30.


RE: Brilliant!
By SirLucius on 8/7/2007 2:16:49 PM , Rating: 2
Hmm, seems you're right. Don't know why I thought it had both. Oh well, looks like only Sony got it right then.


RE: Brilliant!
By wallijonn on 8/7/2007 1:42:02 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I heard the Wi-Fi wasn't working that great on the PS3.


You might be referring to Blue Tooth, that the wireless controllers lose connectivity every now and then. That problem may have been fixed through a firmware update.


RE: Brilliant!
By gerbintosh on 8/7/2007 2:34:31 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Second, I heard the Wi-Fi wasn't working that great on the PS3.


Well, you heard wrong. I have my wireless router in the basement and my PS3 Picks it up FROM UPSTAIRS, hell the download speeds are fast. I can't even get a cell phone signal in my basement and that is coming from a tower. I agree some people don't want wireless, but its nice to have.

About Blu-ray. People keep saying how blu-ray is just for movies and blah blah. I think right around this time M$ is realizing they screwed up by not allowing HD-DVD games. Look at GEARS, beautiful game but at a price. How many single player levels? less than 12? Resistance has 31 and that only uses 14gb of the BR disc.

quote:
heres a hint, the 80gb ps3 will sell for 499 once the 60gb is gone


I agree with this statement. I believe the motorstorm bundle is just for the christmas time, no doubt. After the holidays it will drop to $499.

quote:
Actually they have two models: non-elite and elite.


Wrong, they have 4, One without HDD, One with HDD, One with HDMI and halo makeup, and another with HDMI and 120gb HDD.

By saying they only have 2 models is the cry of someone desperate to win an argument. Are you saying that because they are different colors because if thats the case then the halo one would make 3. If its the differences in Hardware then they have 4.

M$ will lose the console WARS 2, unless they add in HD DVD game support. As games get bigger and require more space, either you will lose single player content, require multiple discs, or come out with another X-box in 2 years that has a built in HD player that supports playing games on that medium.

I believe the latter will happen.


RE: Brilliant!
By SirLucius on 8/7/2007 2:45:44 PM , Rating: 2
I must say I was happy that Resistance was a much longer
game than I expected it to be. With all the Gears/Resistance comparisons, I was really expecting a Gears length game. Everytime I thought I was getting close to the end there was more content. Not to mention the second time around you can unlock an additional 8 weapons.

As for releasing a second Xbox 360 with HD support built in, I don't see that happening. In fact, I don't see HD gaming as being truly necessary for a while. We did fine with multiple CD's for PC's and the PS1, why not multiple DVD's?

Also, id recently announced a game with 20GB worth of textures - http://www.dailytech.com/id+Software+Reveals+Rage+...

It'll be on two DVDs on the 360 and PC, and 1 disc for the PS3. I really see having multiple discs as more of an inconvenience, and not a requirement for adding native HD-DVD support to the 360. Am I glad that it'll only take 1 Blu-ray disc for games with this much data? Hell yeah. Is it worth re-releasing the 360 to include a HD-DVD player? Absolutely not.


RE: Brilliant!
By michal1980 on 8/7/07, Rating: -1
RE: Brilliant!
By FITCamaro on 8/7/07, Rating: 0
RE: Brilliant!
By afkrotch on 8/8/07, Rating: 0
RE: Brilliant!
By DingieM on 8/8/2007 6:22:42 AM , Rating: 2
Hardware-wise, the Xbox360 has 2 different models: both core and premium are based on exact same electronics: put a harddrive and wireless controller on the core and you have a premium. Elite has HDMI with different hardware scaler and 120Gb hard drive.

SKU-wise, there are multiple models like core, premium, elite, and special SKU's like forza 2 editions.


RE: Brilliant!
By afkrotch on 8/8/2007 1:43:02 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Look at GEARS, beautiful game but at a price. How many single player levels? less than 12? Resistance has 31 and that only uses 14gb of the BR disc.


Also Gears uses the same textures over and over again. It's a great way to save on space.

You'll notice that Resistance, when you go to different levels, they look pretty different from each other. With Gears, all the levels look exactly the same.

quote:
M$ will lose the console WARS 2, unless they add in HD DVD game support. As games get bigger and require more space, either you will lose single player content, require multiple discs, or come out with another X-box in 2 years that has a built in HD player that supports playing games on that medium.


Blue Dragon comes on 3 discs and doesn't feature the ability to install the game on the hdd. So...disc swaps happen.


RE: Brilliant!
By afkrotch on 8/8/2007 1:35:22 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
What if we don't need it then we're stuck with it. Some of us want choice.
O and btw they are below 80$ or even less.
Second, I heard the Wi-Fi wasn't working that great on the PS3.
Third, physical cable network guaranteeds much better throughput and still is a nice solution.
Fourth, Wi-Fi hasn't matured enough.


Wi-Fi hasn't matured enough? Are you freaking serious? Also, my PS3's Wi-Fi works fabulously.

quote:
What if we don't need it then we're stuck with it. Some of us want choice.


Ya, the choice to spend $180 for an HD-DVD drive, when you do want next-gen DVD technology.

quote:
Don't count on it again, they still loose an awful lot of money per console and will do that for a long time. Xbox360 65nm (hence considerable cost-cutting) versions are already in production for 2 quarters


The 80 gig hdd costs as much as the 60 gig hdd when the PS3 came out. Actually, less. Even if they drop the price, they still end up having the same loss as they did before.

Also, the Xbox 360 is not on 65nm for the last 2 quarters. They aren't even on 65nm at all. That's why the RROD problem still exists. Even on their latest Elite models.

quote:
Actually they have two models: non-elite and elite.


Oh...forgot all about that core system of theirs.

quote:
MS goal = give the customer choice and penentrate the mainstream market and not a niche market.


MS goal = give the customer choices that cost a hell of a lot of $$ when completely combined. Which many users actually do. I mean, $164 for an Xbox 360 120 gig hdd. $40 for 512 meg memory unit. Last I checked, a 120 gig laptop hdd only cost $67. A 1 gig stick of flash memory only cost $10.

I'd rather not have M$'s crappy ass choices.

quote:
Mine is 1 year old never broke always worked fine.
What do you mean with forcing the people? Its Sony who's forcing people with Wi-Fi, Blu-Ray etc. through their throats.
Maybe you don't understand choice?
And btw, my Xbox360 setup doesn't need much space, it just barely takes more space than a PS3. That isn't too hard is it?


Well, too bad the 33% of other Xbox 360 owners can't agree with your "Mine is 1 year old never broke always worked fine." That's what? 3.8 million Xbox 360 owners?

Also, there are owners who actually decide to buy all the accessories to go along with their Xbox 360. When doing so, you are left with a console that takes a considerable amount of space. Not only that, it's not one item that's taking space, but multiple items. Would it have been too hard to make the 360 about 1 1/2 inches taller and throw the PSU into that area?

Also Sony forcing users? Umm...the 20 gig PS3 came with no wireless and no media card reader. It did come with blu-ray and a 20 gig hdd of course. It costs $499. Xbox 360 Premium cost $399. So 20 gig PS3 owners paid $100 for the blu-ray aspects of the PS3, HDMI, 1080p support, and free online play. Not to mention almost 100% compatibility with older PS2 and PS1 titles.

What did PS3 buyers chose though? They chose the 60 gig PS3 model with wi-fi, media card reader, wireless controllers, and 60 gig hdd. So Sony simply listened to it's customer base and dropped the 20 gig PS3.

Too bad Microsoft has yet to listen to it's customer base. Like providing a Xbox 360 with built-in HD-DVD drive, built-in wireless, or even just a smaller power brick. How about giving out rechargeable batteries for all wireless controllers? How about allowing use to use usb drives to save games, profiles, etc? How about taking region coding off games?

M$ gives users choices to make them pay for it. Just look at how you have to buy small maps for games. Eventually, they'll start charging Microsoft points for updates.


RE: Brilliant!
By IceTron on 8/7/07, Rating: -1
...
By blackseed on 8/7/2007 10:17:17 AM , Rating: 1
I am confused by their PS3 product. Why do they change the line up so much?




RE: ...
By FITCamaro on 8/7/2007 10:25:35 AM , Rating: 2
Because they're desperate to sell them and loose as little money as possible.

The PS3 is an open, gushing wound in Sony's bottom line at the moment.


RE: ...
By MrDiSante on 8/7/2007 11:55:02 AM , Rating: 3
I'm sorry to be a grammar Nazi, but I keep seeing this mistake everywhere: to loose is to release something, to lose is to inadvertly have something cease to be in your possession. There are other meanings, but these two particular ones keep cropping up on the site.


RE: ...
By FITCamaro on 8/7/2007 12:32:27 PM , Rating: 2
My bad. Normally I catch any mistakes before I post.


RE: ...
By Chaser on 8/8/2007 8:19:31 AM , Rating: 2
Better than being a Sony Hate Nazi on Daily Tech waiting to pounce only any PS3 article that pops up to bash/discredit it. Don't believe me? Scroll up to the first post and look for yourself.

FITC I have a question for you. You'll never buy a PS3. Whats your crisis with Sony? How can you have so much free time in their "life" to chime in and bash anything to do with Blue Ray and the Play Station 3 that shows up in this group? I could understand if you had a legitimate enthusiast interest but thats certainly not you. Do you ever have time to read any positive news on the 360?


RE: ...
By mars777 on 8/8/2007 11:19:55 AM , Rating: 2
Hardware:
Console Weekly Total
DS 136,155 (-3%) 13,867,093
WII 91,946 (-3%) 4,066,451
PSP 55,603 (-7%) 8,920,537
PS2 52,241 (-4%) 44,577,088
PS3 38,852 (-11%) 1,776,999
X360 35,005 (+2%) 6,642,408
GBA 23,662 (-0%) 40,791,835
GC 1,547 (-7%) 12,698,604
XB 14 (+27%) 15,933,120
Total 435,025

Yes the PS3 is selling less that last week. But it is still selling more than the X360 :)

These are US charts. Maybe Europe is more prone to the X360? Have a look for yourself... These are retailer charts.

http://www.vgchartz.com/


RE: ...
By dice1111 on 8/7/2007 10:34:16 AM , Rating: 3
Grasping at straws...

I kid. It's a "cost effectiveness" thing. Add more cheap HDD space and eliminate more expensive hardware costs. The comsumer only see the HDD increase and are not aware that they will not be able to play some of their old PS1/2 games.


RE: ...
By mars777 on 8/8/2007 11:24:41 AM , Rating: 2
But to say the truth, most of them will be happy with the 20Gb more space since a third of the 4400 PS2 games ever done have software compatibility support and are able to play :)

So only people who bought some weird and obscure games will have trouble :P


RE: ...
By michal1980 on 8/7/07, Rating: -1
RE: ...
By Timeless on 8/7/2007 4:53:44 PM , Rating: 2
Wow Michal...you get rated down for comparing PS3 units to Xbox360 units...The other guy was right...you do have a lot of haters. Although your "New Premium" thing was a bit over the top.

Xbox360:
Core
Premium
Elite
Halo

Playstation 3:
20 GB
60 GB
80 GB

Sooner or later both Sony and Microsoft will switch to the 65nm units. It's "cost-cutting" time after all.


Bullsh!t
By Mach Omega on 8/7/2007 1:28:33 PM , Rating: 3
Last time I posted a comment re: Sony, I was rated down FIVE POINTS. Worst part is that the only thing I stated was that, if you are going to criticize Sony for doing something that MS does, at least be even-handed. That pretty much confirmed what I already know about DailyTech... that it is filled with MS fanboys and shills. The credibility of this forum is non-existent.

I get it... X360="good", PS3="bad". Never mind the actual merits of each system:

X360 - Better games and online gaming (for now)

PS3 - Best value for the money, Blu-ray, built-in wireless, low-heat, low-noise, STABLE

Won't judge the media center features as that seems to be a matter of taste. The 360 has the edge in graphics but I don't think that will be a factor over the lifetime of the system.

Feel free to rate me down since its apparent that anything less than kissin Microsoft's ass on this forum is unacceptable.




RE: Bullsh!t
By ruibing on 8/7/2007 2:10:33 PM , Rating: 2
Bold title, but I agree with you. The 360 has enough problems of its own (three rings of death, overheating, scratched discs, etc), and not that many people who criticize PS3 ever mentions them. And the 360 has used software emulation since the beginning. I think 360 is both good in how you can customize what you use it for with add ons and bad in how it is not all integrated in the first place. People really need to start consider everything and being just a tad less biased.


RE: Bullsh!t
By bkm32 on 8/7/2007 2:35:47 PM , Rating: 2
Technically, they're not three rings, but rather three arcs. Moreover, since the arcs don't connect to form a complete circle, it's not really a ring, either. It's more like a plastic atoll or ring-like (ring-ish?) ;P


RE: Bullsh!t
By webdawg77 on 8/7/2007 2:38:20 PM , Rating: 2
How about lights :).


RE: Bullsh!t
By Moishe on 8/7/07, Rating: -1
RE: Bullsh!t
By MonkeyPaw on 8/7/2007 2:19:11 PM , Rating: 2
It must have been for more than one comment, since you start at 2 and can only go down to -1 (totaling 3 negative votes). But yeah, you're right--I said something bad about IBM once and got dinged, too. I didn't know IBM had fanboys, but apparently everyone does.

I also noticed that if you use profanity in posts, you usually get dinged. Apparently people don't like it when you complain about grammar and spelling either. Ah, the unwritten rules of DT. :)


RE: Bullsh!t
By michal1980 on 8/7/07, Rating: -1
RE: Bullsh!t
By michal1980 on 8/7/07, Rating: -1
RE: Bullsh!t
By bkm32 on 8/7/2007 2:27:02 PM , Rating: 2
MO, I logged in just to up-rate your post. Although I'm an XBOX fan, I agree with your assessment and have made these same points in the past only to be rated down with a quickness.

As I stated above, although I'm an XBOX fan, I'm a bigger fan of my money, and right now the PS3 is the best value even with the latest X360 price cuts. MS should have come down further to get units into the hands of consumers, epecially overseas.

IMHO, MS' biggest competitor is the Wii as it is catching up (and will soon pass) in a hurry. The PS3 hasn't proven itself as a formiddable game playing console just yet. And with failed attempts like Motorstorm, Lair, Madden 08 (at 30fps instead of 60fps like the X360 version), and now with the GTA4 delay, things aren't looking very good for Sony's advanced all-in-one device. Systems sellers MGS4 and FF13 are a ways off (8-12 months). This leads me to believe that the Wii may soon dominate the gaming space if MS doesn't do something about it.

There it is, I've written good and bad things about MS and Sony. Let's see if I can get someone's head to explode.


RE: Bullsh!t
By webdawg77 on 8/7/2007 2:44:43 PM , Rating: 3
BOOM lol

I'm not sure if Sony released the PS3 so far ahead of the "system sellers" because they wanted to give software developers time to "practice" coding on the system. However, couldn't they have done that without releasing the system to the masses. It's not like the PS2 is doing bad nor is it lacking for games. As stated before, I own a PS2 and still play it a lot. I'm waiting for GoW 2 to come down in price. I also recently picked up Tomb Raider Anniversary along with KH and KH2.

There has never been a perfect console. There can never be on either as long as man is making them. As long as it plays the game that I want to play, it doesn't really matter what company makes the console. Odd case in point ... I have my Xbox360 hooked up to a ... Sony TV. Heck, I even have a 13" Sony TV that's older than I am. Until recently, it was even the TV in the bedroom.

Sony = Microsoft = Nintendo as long as the game is good.


Glad I Got Mine
By SirLucius on 8/7/2007 12:01:18 PM , Rating: 2
I don't get this marketing gimmick from Microsoft and Sony. Both companies should just stick to one version of their console, but I digress.

$600 for the 80 gig plus a game that you may or may not want seems pretty foolish to me. I can pay $95 on Newegg and drop in a 160GB 2.5" drive into my 60GB PS3 and have double the space as Sony's 80GB offer for the same price.

Either way, Sony needs to get more big name games out. Once the library grows, system sales will grow too.




RE: Glad I Got Mine
By Timeless on 8/7/2007 5:03:34 PM , Rating: 2
Sony can't do anything about the games. That is what game developers do. You can expect someone from Sony to walk up to people from Capcom or Square Enix and them to release a game. They're just get laughed at.


By ruibing on 8/7/2007 2:05:53 PM , Rating: 2
I think if Sony started with software emulation like 360, Wii, and PS2, people wouldn't be this harsh at them.




Frustration
By FeralMisanthrope on 8/7/2007 3:22:31 PM , Rating: 2
Does anyone know if Sony is using this SKU to introduce the new revision of the SIXAXIS controller?

Obviously, they have to charge more while the 60GB version is still available but I can't see the $599 price tag lasting very long afterwards.

This is why I haven't bought a next-gen console yet. There always seems to be either a new revision or a price-cut right on the horizon. I've decided on a set of price/feature requirements and whoever gets there first will get my business:

XBOX 360: HDMI, 65nm process, < $400

PS3: SIXAXIS w/ rumble, < $500
(redesigned R2/L2 triggers would be nice too)

I'll probably end up owning both in the long run but it's just so frustrating not being able to justify buying either one right now. Both consoles have some major shortcomings to address before I'll be spending any money.




Its a Sony!!
By donttrustme on 8/7/07, Rating: -1
RE: Its a Sony!!
By BPB on 8/7/2007 11:46:21 AM , Rating: 2
If I'm a Sony fan I'd hope they do better than that. Xbox 360 backwards compatibility is nothing to brag about. My understanding is that Sony's is better, even without the onboard PS2 hardware. MS's software updates don't exactly stream out of Redmond all that often. Personally I'd like to see them double the rate of updates for compatibility.

I think both systems have strong selling points. I like my 360 Elite, and hope to one day get a PS3. I don't understand why for some people it's either MS or Sony, but not both. I just don't get that. Is there some religion that started somewhere of which I'm not familiar? Are there Sonyites and Redmondites knocking on doors, trying to convert people? It appears that at the least they're typing on keyboards.

Here's a thought: what OS do Sonyites run when they purchase a Sony PC? Do their co-religionists allow them to run Windows?

Another thought: in pre-iPod days, were Redmondites allowed to own Walkmans? Of course, now that I think about it, neither religion would allow iPods, would it? Zunes for Redmondites and Walkmans for Sonyites.


RE: Its a Sony!!
By FITCamaro on 8/7/2007 12:30:56 PM , Rating: 1
I'm with you. But I still don't like the practices Sony has been taking lately.

I'm open to buying a PS3. I'm not open to the fact that when I do get one, I'm going to be getting a less capable product than those people who bought one before me without an option.

Consoles change over their life cycle. But never before has one offered less functionality later in its life than at the beginning.


RE: Its a Sony!!
By darkpuppet on 8/7/2007 12:55:09 PM , Rating: 2
care to post some examples of the European machines being less capable?

just pick a game you love and post an example of it not working on the PS3... and then we can investigate weither Sony is going to fix the compatability (like they did with guitar hero).

And maybe we can compare xbox360 backwards compatability with PS3 software compatability vs hardware compatability...

Seriously.. sony has had enough time to bone up on it's software emulation during the time hardware was available, and there's no reason it can't support more and more games in the near future...

I bought my PS2 and played the old PS1 games maybe for a few months.. eventually, the new library was good enough to fully replace the old games, and I rarely ever go back (colony wars being the exception)...


RE: Its a Sony!!
By BPB on 8/7/07, Rating: 0
RE: Its a Sony!!
By npoe1 on 8/7/2007 1:33:12 PM , Rating: 2
He does it just to make some people’s life miserable, but he is usually worse than that.


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