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Along with $100 off the 60GB model, SCEA announces an 80GB PS3 Motorstorm bundle for August

It’s official – the PlayStation 3 has dropped $100 less than eight months after it’s highly anticipated launch. According to the official press release, the current 60GB will carry a $499 price tag effective today.

The $499 price point was previously occupied by the 20GB version of the PlayStation 3. Citing reasons related to consumer demand, Sony in April discontinued the $499 20GB PlayStation 3 leaving only the more expensive 60GB model on the market.

Word of the price cut first appeared last week when retailer flyers appeared across the U.S. and Canada showing the Sony console with the lower price. It was originally believed that Sony would announce the price cut during its E3 press conference on July 11, though the company may have decided to bump up its date after the cat found its way out of the bag.

Unknown last week, but announced today by SCEA is an upcoming new PlayStation 3 model with an 80GB hard drive. The 80GB PlayStation 3 will occupy the $599 price point that the 60GB previously held, and will also come packed in with a full version of racing game MotorStorm. The 80GB MotorStorm bundle will begin shipping in August.

“As we move into the next phase of PS3, it's important that we continue to evaluate our product line, offering consumers the technology and features that meet their growing needs for new forms of media and the way in which it is delivered,” said Jack Tretton, president and CEO of SCEA. “The introduction of the 80GB PS3, the new pricing for the current 60GB model, the availability of more than 100 new software titles this fiscal year and, finally, the expansion of services for PlayStation Network, will provide even more options for users and will help bring new consumers into the PS3 fold.”

Rumblings of a PlayStation 3 with larger hard disk drive capacity first came in March when Sony filed with the FCC papers describing a PlayStation 3 with an 80 GB hard drive inside. Sony did not confirm nor deny the plans for an 80 GB unit at that time, saying only, “As mentioned when we made the product announcement for PS3, the system will have different configurations (thus, 60GB HDD with memory card slots and Wi-Fi and 20GB HDD without memory card slots or Wi-Fi both exist). Application to the FCC has been made with various possibilities in mind, however, it does not lead to a new product announcement at this time.”

Then, during the second half of May, Sony announced an 80GB PlayStation 3 for the Korean market, citing the country’s high speed network infrastructure and video-on-demand systems as a reason for the extra 20GB.

After the 80GB PlayStation 3 was revealed for Korea, SCEA responded to questions regarding the larger drive’s release in North America, saying, “We’re constantly looking at new… configurations [for PS3], but currently there are no plans to change current hardware offerings [in North America].”

Now that the price of the 60GB PS3 is slashed by $100, might this be a sign of things to come for Europe and Australia? Not yet, as Karraker says, “This news does not affect any other PS3 territory.”

Only eight months after release, the price cut for the PS3 may be one of the quickest in console history. With $100 off the current top model, Sony may be responding to the relatively sluggish sales of its consoles when compared against its competition.

Price is a common point of contention for those who haven’t yet picked up a PlayStation 3, though many point to the current lack of exclusive, compelling software. “Even with a $100 drop, the PS3 is still the high-end console,” Lazard Capital Markets analyst Colin Sebastian told GameSpot. “But price cuts typically generate incremental demand, and I don't think this situation will be any different. Bottom line, this may not be enough to kick-start PS3 sales into the mass market—but it's a good first step.”



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Just 20GB more?
By mdogs444 on 7/9/2007 8:55:09 AM , Rating: 5
A 20GB bump doesn't seem that big of a deal. Xbox 360 bumped from 20GB to 120GB. I cant see why the PS3 wouldn't offer something like 160GB or a 200GB? 20GB more does not give the substance for a higher price than the just reduced $499.

Just my opinion.




RE: Just 20GB more?
By darkpaw on 7/9/2007 9:20:44 AM , Rating: 2
Yah, $100 extra for a game and 20gb is a complete rip off.

I definately want to get the 60gb now that its $499, just need to convince the wife.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By Faust0 on 7/9/2007 2:02:58 PM , Rating: 2
There's just no satisfying you people, makes me wanna punch babies, that price point WAS occupied by the 60gb and w/o a game.

I feel so slighted I bought a 60gb no more than 3 months ago.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By thatguy39 on 7/9/2007 4:15:36 PM , Rating: 2
if theyre losing money on the console, how can it be a ripoff?

business knowledge anyone?


RE: Just 20GB more?
By Some1ne on 7/9/2007 5:20:34 PM , Rating: 3
It's a ripoff when you consider that for an extra $100 all you get is 20 GB of extra space and a game. HDD prices are at roughly $0.25 per GB, meaning the extra 20 GB is worth about $5.00. Add in $50 as the value of the game (and ignore the fact that the cost of the game to Sony is probably even less than the value of those 20 extra GB), and you get that Sony is charging $100 for $55 worth of upgrades, a pretty substantial ripoff, I would say.

The fact that Sonly loses money on the console regardless is irrelevant in this case, and it certainly doesn't mean that it's therefore not a ripoff to pay an extra $100 for a set of upgrades that have a street value closer to half that amount.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By wallijonn on 7/27/2007 2:21:22 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
HDD prices are at roughly $0.25 per GB, meaning the extra 20 GB is worth about $5.00.


Yes and no. While that figure is true for 3.5" HDs, it is probably not true for 2.5" drives, much less for SATA 2.5" drives. Yes, the price difference is about $15 between the 60GB and the 80GB SATA models (@newegg). But you don't really think that a retailer is just going to charge you the difference, do you?


RE: Just 20GB more?
By afkrotch on 7/28/2007 8:54:34 PM , Rating: 2
60 gig - $49
80 gig - $55

Both prices from Newegg, both 2.5" SATA hdds, and both 5400 rpm drives.

MotorStorm - $57

Also priced at Newegg.

Course, what's the price for the updated bluetooth in the new 80 gig model? What's the price reduction for the loss of the EE chip? What's the price increase when factoring in software emulation development?


RE: Just 20GB more?
By Seer on 7/9/2007 11:30:14 PM , Rating: 2
as Some1ne said, purchases are always made at the margin. Economics knowledge anyone?


RE: Just 20GB more?
By jadedeath on 7/11/2007 8:47:19 PM , Rating: 2
You mean like how the 360 was 100 bucks for 20 gigs, that's ok and this isn't?

Pull the other one.

Logan


RE: Just 20GB more?
By Rugar on 7/9/2007 9:22:17 AM , Rating: 2
I thought the same thing. No idea why they would only increase capacity by 20Gb.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By Golgatha on 7/9/2007 9:35:26 AM , Rating: 2
Especially when Newegg has 80GB SATA notebook drives for ~$60 shipped. You can buy that game for $50 new or less used as well. Obviously, Sony thinks their customers are complete morons.

I'm thinking buy the $499 model and substitute your own drive it it if you really have to have one. What I'd really like to see is a $299 model that just plays games though.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By Rugar on 7/9/2007 10:17:05 AM , Rating: 3
Well, do remember that these are 2.5" hard drives, not your standard desktop 3.5" drives. But even then, I can find a 160Gb drive on Newegg for $109.99 shipped. Given that the guides to replace your PS3 hard drive are all over the net and are fairly simple to follow, I see no reason not to buy the cheapest PS3 you can find and replace the drive on your own.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By OxBow on 7/9/2007 10:35:59 AM , Rating: 5
I always thought the original 20 gig model was the better buy. However, it turns out that I do use those extra bells and whistles the 60 gig model comes with.

Still, since there is nearly no difference between the two models now, the 60 gig model is definitely the way to go.

For $500 you get a great blue ray player, a decent media center (I didn't think I would, but my wife and I prefer the slide show feature to browsing photos in an album), a powerfull game console and the ability to turn it into a regular computer via linux. On top of that you get a free web browser (something the 360 doesn't have and the Wii has started charging for), a free online service (not a robust yet as live, but it is FREE, something that the Wii hasn't even rolled out yet) and some good games.

While a lot has been said about the lack of exclusives and dearth of games, consider the following. Resistance and Motorstorm are both great games. Plus, while not exclusives, there are several other good games that will play on the PS3. If you haven't bought one yet, those titles alone will tide you over till Lair and some other great games start to get released in a month or so. Plus, you can still play all those PS2 and PS1 games on it, including the new releases, all upscaled to HD. Seems to me that now is the time to buy if you've been on the fence.

Since my PS3 has been running nearly constantly for the past 7 months (folding@home when I'm not watching movies or playing games) I have been very pleased with the unit. It has had not even a hicup in terms of reliability and maintenance, something that my 360 can not claim, even after coming back from the service center. While the Wii is fun for groups, it's appeal is currently much more limited for us than the PS3 since the only good games for it are put out by Nintendo and quickly get old. Fun for parties, but not so much for a lazy Sunday afternoon.

$500 is a lot of money, but it's also a great deal. Everyone wanted a price drop, here it is. Now's the time to take advantage of it.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By thebrown13 on 7/9/07, Rating: -1
RE: Just 20GB more?
By darkpaw on 7/9/2007 2:03:11 PM , Rating: 5
This isn't a 360/PS3 issue, just voice-chat in general.

I don't exactly consider it a feature. Listening to a bunch of annoying kids either gloating and/or whining about the game isn't my idea of added fun.

I definately get the advantage of it when you have a group of like minded people that know each other like an MMO guild, but on an open system like live its like going back to high school. No thanks.

I used to pay for live on the xbox, but I just couldn't take all the retards playing mech assault.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By euclidean on 7/9/07, Rating: 0
RE: Just 20GB more?
By euclidean on 7/9/07, Rating: 0
RE: Just 20GB more?
By Some1ne on 7/9/2007 5:46:57 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
It's only a matter of time before they get the hang of developing new games for a brand new system.


You do realize that the typical lifespan for a console is 5-7 years, right? And that developing a new game can take as long as 3 years, right?

If developers "still have awhile to go" before they actually start using the PS3 to its full potential, then games that take advantage of its capabilities won't start rolling out until right when it's on the verge of obsolescence.

Yes, it's only a matter of time...only a matter of time until the next generation of consoles renders the PS3 (and the Wii, and the Xbox 360) obsolete.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By ObscureCaucasian on 7/9/2007 11:43:21 PM , Rating: 2
The 360 has plenty of power to last through this generation. You act as if that PS3 has some massive lead on the 360 in terms of graphical abilities.

Face it, the PS3 will only be marginally better than the 360 (if the devs get the hang of it). I like the hardware and build quality of the PS3, but when it comes to software and services, MS has Sony beat pretty well there. It seems as if MS has software development in mind the whole time they were building the console, and as a result you get a console that devs like. If devs like it, they are going to want to put more games on it. Oh, and lets not forget the installed base advantage MS currently holds.

Sony says 10 year lifespan on the PS3, but I highly doubt any of us will want to play a PS3 in 2016..... it will just be too outdated by that time, at least for people like you who feel that the 360 is already obsolete.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By Min Jia on 7/10/2007 1:05:16 AM , Rating: 2
Actually, the lifespan of a console can be much longer than 5-7 years. PS2 is still selling after 7 years with great looking games like God Of War 2. Only the loser of a console war will release a new gen console first.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By Scrogneugneu on 7/10/2007 11:58:59 PM , Rating: 2
Take a look at the sales number of the top 3 consoles. Tell me, who's the loser of the console war in this generation?


RE: Just 20GB more?
By Min Jia on 7/11/2007 3:32:58 AM , Rating: 2
LOL, the war of current gen has just started.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By Scrogneugneu on 7/14/2007 10:57:20 PM , Rating: 2
One of the consoles just went over 10 million in sales in almost 2 years. They currently rate 2nd in month-to-month sale volume on next-gen console.

The other one is nearing on the same milestone, only 8 months after release. They are #1 in month-to-month sale volume.

The PS3 is still trying to reach 4 million. They end up last in month-to-month sale volume, 4 times (or even 5, depending on the market) behind the leader.

What kind of magic trick do you expect? The number 1 reason for not having sales as high as the other consoles is widely acknowledged to be the price of the product, yet they keep it as high as before. Even if they're doing a price drop now, or even if they discontinue the 60GB model and drop the 80GB model's price to 500$, it's still not a real price drop. They were already selling consoles at that price point at launch.

The product is the same (save for 20GB more, coupled with lower backwards compatibility), the price is the same (too high for the market). Nothing has changed, and we already know that the current product is not working. What makes you believe that this console is gonna come back?


RE: Just 20GB more?
By FITCamaro on 7/10/2007 7:19:04 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
till doesn't have the horespower to carry it into the next few years like the PS3. In fact most mid-range computers that are starting to be replaced these days are even more powerful than the 360.


For the first sentence there, your basis for that statement? It's well accepted that while the 360 doesn't have as good a CPU as Cell for things like video processing, its GPU is far better than the PS3s. When it comes down to it though, neither CPU is really very good for a games console. The sole saving grace of each console is the GPU, which as I said, the 360 has an advantage. Both systems are fully capable of rendering the same quality of graphics and games. The only advantage the PS3 has is a storage medium with higher capacity. An advantage I don't think really makes that big a difference.

For the second sentence, the same is true of the PS3.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By afkrotch on 7/28/2007 9:05:43 PM , Rating: 2
Blue Dragon. Comes on 3 dvds. Disc swapping sucks! I'd pay extra just to not swap discs.

Shoot, with 120 gigs at your disposal, they should allow you to install the game on the drive.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By Min Jia on 7/10/2007 12:56:57 AM , Rating: 2
You can chat with other people while playing games that support voice chat. All you need is a Bluetooth headset and pair it with PS3.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By bkm32 on 7/9/2007 10:45:23 AM , Rating: 1
Hey, did you guys forget that the X360 charges $100 for an extra 20GB and no game?

I'm a Sony-hater, but even I can see that the 60GB PS3 is a better value than the Elite, while the 80GB allows Sony to get a few suckers and eat into that PS3 debt they've accumulated. It's not the best strategy, but a worthy one.

Plus, the $100 price drop just 8 months after release is a strong nod to showing customer love. The X360 has been out neally 2 years and no drop in price, no great bundles, a trickle of AAA titles, and a boatload of defective hardware.

MS better announce removal of the Core, price drop on the Pro to $249.99, and Elite dropping to $399.99 or include Gears of War, Crackdown, or Shadowrun, or some combo of the three. Face it Shadowrun should be about 30 bucks anyway.

The 3-yr warranty increase was a nice touch, but MS must divert with new titles and price drops, now.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By ObscureCaucasian on 7/9/2007 11:08:07 AM , Rating: 5
Actually MS charges $80 for an extra 100 gigs. Sony didn't drop the price to help consumers, they did it because no one was buying the things. Don't blame MS for not dropping the price, they're competing with a company that released a $600 console. I believe that if it were not for the high price of the PS3 we would not have an Xbox 360 Elite. Now that Sony has dropped the price to 499, MS may very well decide to drop theirs as well.

I personally think Shadowrun is worth 40-50, but definitely not 60. The 360 does have a much better holiday season coming up with titles like Halo 3, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Lost Odyssey, and Blue Dragon. Both 360 and PS3 owners can look forward to Assassins Creed, COD4, and GTA4.

Also, the unfortunate truth is that much of the population may not realize that there has been a price drop, many people would have known that there is a $600 and a $500 PS3, nothing has changed there.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By henrikfm on 7/9/2007 11:29:08 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Sony didn't drop the price to help consumers, they did it because no one was buying the things.


All said. 80GB model is just a pretension.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By bkm32 on 7/9/2007 1:01:50 PM , Rating: 3
BC, I'm talking about the transition from Core to Pro. See, that's part of the problem: too many versions of the same console. Even a fanboy like you can't keep up.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By ObscureCaucasian on 7/9/2007 11:52:43 PM , Rating: 2
The Core isn't targeting a demographic that is concerned about getting the most gigabytes, it's for people who want the cheapest route to gaming. That said it's still generally accepted that it is well worth the extra $100 seeing as you get much more than just a HDD.

It costs much more to go from no disc drive to any disc drive then it is to switch between capacities. I'm sure bulk pricing on the drives Sony uses amounts to $5-$10 difference between $60 and $80.

Look at the precedent Sony set for itself. When the PS3 launched, $100 was worth 40 gigs, Wifi, and a few other features that I'm not familiar with. Now $100 is worth 20 gigs and a game consumers may or may not want. Personally if I bought a PS3 I would pass on Motorstorm.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By bkm32 on 7/10/2007 9:20:43 AM , Rating: 2
I stated fact not intent. There's a big difference.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By ObscureCaucasian on 7/10/2007 2:20:40 PM , Rating: 2
Twist the facts as you like.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By afkrotch on 7/28/2007 9:35:04 PM , Rating: 2
Lair, Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, Singstar, Playstation Home, Unreal Tournament 3, Time Crisis 4, Final Fantasy XIII (maybe this year - probably not though), Final Fantasy Version XIII (maybe this year - probably not though), Gran Turismo HD, and Tekken 6.

Course for me, early next year is more exciting. Also Blue Dragon blows ass. Trust me...I own the damn game. Came with the Xbox 360 Blue Dragon bundle. I'm more interested in Trusty Bell (Eternal Sonata). I moved out of Japan before the game came out. Course if PS3 owners are lucky, Trusty Bell will hit the PS3. Unless ESRB made a mistake on the games rating.

Unreal Tournament 3 will come to Xbox 360, but next year and it won't allow PC created mods or levels. Thanks to Microsoft for locking down the damn console. Can't even transfer mp3s onto the thing.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By Bioniccrackmonk on 7/9/2007 11:42:14 AM , Rating: 3
The 3 year warranty is in itself a facade since it only applies to owners who experience the RROD effect. All other 360's have the same standard 1 year warranty that the other consoles have. DaileyTech had an article here last week talking about the 360's warranty, I will link it when I find it.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By CBone on 7/9/2007 12:00:34 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Plus, the $100 price drop just 8 months after release is a strong nod to showing customer love . The X360 has been out neally 2 years and no drop in price, no great bundles, a trickle of AAA titles, and a boatload of defective hardware.


Are you insane? "Customer love"? A strong nod to getting pummeled in sales and 'no news but bad news' press, more like.

You can thank Sony for the lack of X360 price drop or good bundles. Debuting the PS3 at a zillion dollars kept MS from having to.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By bkm32 on 7/9/2007 12:47:27 PM , Rating: 2
You are all aware that Nintendo is kicking everyone's butts? Sony is not MS's main competitor this go-round. It's the big-N outselling the X360 by more than 2-to-1 in the US and 15-to-1 in Japan.

BTW, no console maker has had a price drop of $100 less than 1 year after its release. This is a great move by Sony right before the hype of E3 where it will show case some spectacular games. An even better move would be to offer current registered PS3 owners up to $100 in Blu-Ray and PS3 vouchers to make up for the pain of buying $600 dollar system.

MS fanboys, step off. Your zealousness has you blinded as to how this business really works. MS needs a price drop to not only distinguish itself from Sony, but to catch up to Nintendo and try to slow the runaway Mario Express before it rolls into Santa Monica this Wednesday.

Look, I want MS to win. I believe they have the best entertainment integration solution (Vista, XBox Live, Zune, and Mediaroom) for the money; therefore, I'm critical of their strategic moves or lack thereof.

Currently, they're losing the edge that a one-year headstart affords, plus software is supposed to be way easier to develop for the X360 (than the PS3), so where are the multiple triple A titles? I see GoW, Forza 2, Dirt, GRAW 1 & 2, and Oblvion. Mass Effect, Bioshock, Too Human, Blue Dragon, and VF5 are way past due. Those should have been out by now. Saints Row and Crackdown are great games, but are not system sellers. Dead Rising and Lost Planet--the same. As a fan and owner of the Sega game, Shadowrun was at best disappointing. In fact, the X360 has a pretty decent lineup of games thus far (way better than the PS3 and Wii combined), but that matters little if half as many ppl are buying your system because there's a cheaper alternative.

Moreover, MS has become bogged down in customer service due to hardware defect issues (a result of early release-syndrome, perhaps). Moreover, why is MS still selling the Core version? What's the point here? There are 3 distinct configurations for the X360 that can lead to major manufacturing cost overruns. Since all three version have different casings, MS manfucturers have to build all three. Save some money, have just one stinking casing. It's called "Lean Manufacturing". Add to this, two extremely different chipsets and motherboard configurations. Are you serious? MS could save some serious green by slimming their processes and pass this on to the consumer.

MS, this whole "customer-options-thing" you got going isn't that great. I'd rather have the option of not paying so much for a system destined to crash 33% of the time. One more thing, grow a pair and give us wireless-out-of-the-box and an internal HD-DVD drive with games that take advantage of the extra disc space.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By SirLucius on 7/9/2007 1:00:53 PM , Rating: 2
Just out of curiosity, is Bioshock being developed for the PC and 360 simultaneously, or is it being ported from PC to 360? I've seen a lot of talk about it for the 360, but I had only heard of it being developed for the PC.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By bkm32 on 7/9/2007 1:17:29 PM , Rating: 2
I only know that a version for both are planned for release this year. Check their website:

http://www.cultofrapture.com


RE: Just 20GB more?
By peritusONE on 7/9/2007 3:12:37 PM , Rating: 2
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You are all aware that Nintendo is kicking everyone's butts? Sony is not MS's main competitor this go-round. It's the big-N outselling the X360 by more than 2-to-1 in the US and 15-to-1 in Japan.

I cannot understand why people continue to put the Wii in the same class of next-gen competition as the 360 and PS3. The Wii is selling great because of price and word of mouth, not because it's the better system of all next-gen consoles. The 360 and PS3 are simply going after a different market than the Wii.
quote:
MS fanboys, step off. Your zealousness has you blinded as to how this business really works. MS needs a price drop to not only distinguish itself from Sony, but to catch up to Nintendo and try to slow the runaway Mario Express before it rolls into Santa Monica this Wednesday.

I'm not really sure that any post that hasn't been modded down for stupidity has said anything about the 360 being in a good position as far as price. Microsoft is definitely in a reactionary position, and will most likely announce something before the week is out. No need to get testy with us 360 fanboys.
quote:
Currently, they're losing the edge that a one-year headstart affords, plus software is supposed to be way easier to develop for the X360 (than the PS3), so where are the multiple triple A titles? I see GoW, Forza 2, Dirt, GRAW 1 & 2, and Oblvion. Mass Effect, Bioshock, Too Human, Blue Dragon, and VF5 are way past due. Those should have been out by now. Saints Row and Crackdown are great games, but are not system sellers. Dead Rising and Lost Planet--the same. As a fan and owner of the Sega game, Shadowrun was at best disappointing. In fact, the X360 has a pretty decent lineup of games thus far (way better than the PS3 and Wii combined), but that matters little if half as many ppl are buying your system because there's a cheaper alternative.

The games you've listed are a fantastic lineup for a year and a half old system. Not to mention you left out Halo 3...no matter if you personally like it or not, it will be a system seller. I think the 360 is selling very well at this point in it's lifecycle. It's similar to past successful consoles, and will gain speed as prices drop. That's simply how it is. Your entire post is directed as if the console race ends tomorrow.
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Moreover, MS has become bogged down in customer service due to hardware defect issues (a result of early release-syndrome, perhaps). Moreover, why is MS still selling the Core version? What's the point here? There are 3 distinct configurations for the X360 that can lead to major manufacturing cost overruns. Since all three version have different casings, MS manfucturers have to build all three. Save some money, have just one stinking casing. It's called "Lean Manufacturing". Add to this, two extremely different chipsets and motherboard configurations. Are you serious? MS could save some serious green by slimming their processes and pass this on to the consumer.

The point of the Core version is a cheaper SKU for potential 360 buyers. Besides, I don't think your so-called "manufacturing cost overruns" is a problem. It surely wouldn't represent any kind of decent price reduction while passing it on to the customer. What are they gonna do, cut the price from $399 to $397? As for the different motherboard configurations, that is typical for a console lifecycle, especially in the 360's case, what with the heating issues and all.
quote:
MS, this whole "customer-options-thing" you got going isn't that great. I'd rather have the option of not paying so much for a system destined to crash 33% of the time. One more thing, grow a pair and give us wireless-out-of-the-box and an internal HD-DVD drive with games that take advantage of the extra disc space.

Do you not understand that technology costs money? You want integrated wireless, built-in HD-DVD, standard hard drive, wireless, etc, but let me guess......you still want it for $400, right? I think the options in consoles are great for Microsoft's bottom line. Because not only are they giving an in for customers with less money, they'll earn more when those customers start buying the extras they missed out on by buying the higher priced bundle. It would save you absolutely $0 if they were combine everything into one system. Actually, by offering a lower-priced Core system, you probably saved a bit of money on the Premium system because they were able to segregate and price things according to what they included. Besides, both Microsoft and Sony are saving you money by pricing the console below what they pay to make it. I cannot understand why people think that a console maker isn't entitled to try and make money on their consoles. They are a for-profit company, they aren't in the business of passing savings to you.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By encryptkeeper on 7/9/2007 4:59:39 PM , Rating: 1
I cannot understand why people continue to put the Wii in the same class of next-gen competition as the 360 and PS3. The Wii is selling great because of price and word of mouth, not because it's the better system of all next-gen consoles. The 360 and PS3 are simply going after a different market than the Wii.

The Wii, PS3 and 360 are in the same category because all three were released by the major console manufacturers as their premier home video game console. Think about it: are the DS and PSP really in the same category? Not at all by your accounting. By your reasoning, the PS2 should have absolutely tanked as it was processor-wise (and everyone uses this as a basis for comparison, and I hate it and gnash my teeth when people do) the slowest of last generation. But it was the top machine because people liked playing the games. Right now, people like playing the Wii better. And with it's incredible hype, low price, dirt cheap costs for game development, and most important, PROFIT, it is very arguably the best console out there.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By peritusONE on 7/9/2007 9:52:27 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
The Wii, PS3 and 360 are in the same category because all three were released by the major console manufacturers as their premier home video game console. Think about it: are the DS and PSP really in the same category? Not at all by your accounting. By your reasoning, the PS2 should have absolutely tanked as it was processor-wise (and everyone uses this as a basis for comparison, and I hate it and gnash my teeth when people do) the slowest of last generation. But it was the top machine because people liked playing the games. Right now, people like playing the Wii better. And with it's incredible hype, low price, dirt cheap costs for game development, and most important, PROFIT, it is very arguably the best console out there.

Just because each console is the premier console of their respective companies does not make them direct competitors. As for the DS and PSP, yes, I feel they are closer in competition than the new consoles, although they definitely are geared more towards different demographics, however the overlap is present.

And don't put words into my mouth. I never said anything about processor speed or any bull like that. Apparently that's what you think since you've decided to bring it up.

I also did not bring up any arguements about which console is the "best". I never said the Wii wasn't a valid entry in this generation. I just commented on the validity of directly comparing Wii sales to that of the 360 and PS3.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By encryptkeeper on 7/10/2007 9:52:54 AM , Rating: 1
I never said anything about processor speed or any bull like that.

Really? So why then, by your reasoning are they in different categories? Is it controllers? Target audience? If you ask me, the Wii is targeted to a larger percentage of the population, which is a much smarter move business-wise.

I also did not bring up any arguements about which console is the "best".

Oh REALLY? Well let's go back to the original post...

No need to get testy with us 360 fanboys.

Sounds to me like you just flip-flopped your story.

I never said the Wii wasn't a valid entry in this generation.

Again, lets look at the original post.

I cannot understand why people continue to put the Wii in the same class of next-gen competition as the 360 and PS3.

You say right here, that you think the Wii isn't a valid entry in this generation. Please don't attempt to deny things you say right in your post.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By bkm32 on 7/11/2007 4:00:18 PM , Rating: 1
"Blurredvision" for a reason. I guess the Sega Saturn and Dreamcast tanked for no reason at all.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By afkrotch on 7/28/2007 10:07:41 PM , Rating: 2
I can never understand how ppl call the Wii cheap. The damn thing has less power than the original Xbox, yet cost over double the price. For what? A gimmicky controller?

That'd be like Nvidia putting out a Geforce 6800 Ultra with three DVI ports and charging $500 for it.

I also wouldn't call it the best console out there. I wouldn't call any of the current gen consoles the best. The best would be the PS2 right now. Lowest price (for consoles that are still being produced), cheap to develop for, largest install base, and thousands of game titles to choose from and it's still increasing every month. Not only that, but the games you buy for the PS2 can be used on the PS3 (sort of with the EE-less versions). There's also the slew of modchips available for the system and plenty of titles out there on the net.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By ObscureCaucasian on 7/10/2007 12:04:32 AM , Rating: 2
"BTW, no console maker has had a price drop of $100 less than 1 year after its release"

Check your facts buddy, the original Xbox had a $100 price cut earlier in it's life cycle than the PS3 did. It only took the Xbox 181 days to go from $300 to $200.

Please don't just make up statics.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By bkm32 on 7/11/2007 4:06:04 PM , Rating: 2
Not at retail. You're referring to used systems at EBGames or Gamestop. Peter Moore commented about this very thing and why MS couldn't reduce the price on the XB1 until about 18 months into its lifecycle.

Although you are right about one thing, it was the PS2 that recieved a $100 price cut 8 months into it's lifecycle, first. My bad.

Thanks.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By bkm32 on 7/9/2007 1:10:27 PM , Rating: 2
This thread should be titled "just $20 more?" Because that's all that separates a PS3 from an Elite. Just $20 more gets you an HD disc drive (that plays games and movies), wi-fi, HDMI 1.3, and a system that has an extremely low defect rate that is easily upgradeable.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By aGreenAgent on 7/9/2007 1:29:03 PM , Rating: 1
Well, if you play games on the PS3 you have the problem of no rumble (deal breaker for me), and of course that the console is ugly. Also, I've never heard that the PS3 has an extremely low defect rate, last I heard it was within normal range.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By Mach Omega on 7/9/2007 1:48:50 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry Agent, but the PS3 indeed has a VERY low defect rate, under 2% if I'm not mistaken. The thing is also very quiet. As for the console being ugly... I personally think it looks a lot better than the 360. Just my opinion, though.

The real question is CAN Microsoft drop the price on the 360? I could be wrong but I understand that it makes a small profit on each unit except the Elite, which breaks even. Considering how much money it is in the hole with the whole Xbox product line, the last thing MS wants to do is drop the price and start selling the units in the red again. Would you pay $20 for an HD video player? I know I would. That's pretty much what it boils down to. Can MS tack on a HD DVD player and keep the Elite at the same price? Highly doubtful.

Expect Sony to have a major marketing blitz this holiday season and get the word out that the PS3 has FINALLY become the system that it promised. If it succeeds, MS is going to have to do some major bullet biting.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By pammy ut on 7/10/2007 6:04:52 AM , Rating: 1
quote:

Expect Sony to have a major marketing blitz this holiday season and get the word out that the PS3 has FINALLY become the system that it promised.

Haha... that's just silly.

It's a Long-Long-LONG way from becoming the system it promised.

The bottom line: The price of the PS3 is irrelevant, so long as the game library is so terribly awful. They can keep reducing the price all they want, $100, $200, $300 or FREE, but that still won't make the games any better. Enough said.

P.S. - Honestly, the PS3 is already 'over' in the eyes of most serious gamers. Sony better correct their mistakes on PS4, or they will find themselves forgotten completely. Sad but true.



RE: Just 20GB more?
By Mach Omega on 7/10/2007 1:56:16 PM , Rating: 3
The PS3 is "over"? PUH-LEAZE. Is that why the Wii is kickin the crap out of the 360 in sales now, because "serious gamers" want it? Your love of the 360 is admirable but that doesn't change the fact that the 360 is becoming less and less relevant. Sad but true.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By h0kiez on 7/10/2007 9:08:36 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
The real question is CAN Microsoft drop the price on the 360?


What does that mean? Both Sony and MS have shown themselves ready and willing to bleed huge amounts of cash in the console business. MS is an enormous company that has more than enough resources to weather a price cut and if they want to cut the price, they certainly can afford to do so.

quote:
could be wrong but I understand that it makes a small profit on each unit except the Elite, which breaks even.


Not a chance. Econ 101: the highest end SKU is always the most profitable. They added


RE: Just 20GB more?
By Dharl on 7/10/2007 9:19:35 AM , Rating: 2
The reason for only offering 20Gb more should be obvious...

Why offer the customer a larger capacity to start with if they can easily switch it out for a larger drive at their expense not Sony's expense. That is after all why they go into such detail in the instruction manual on how to change out the harddrive. Even a child can do it with those instructions, not that you need them.

Read that as Bash or Praise whichever you prefer. Personally I don't need more than the 60Gb I have already especially with the games that are currently on market. If I ever need more I'll just buy a much larger harddrive and change it out later.


RE: Just 20GB more?
By bkm32 on 7/11/2007 4:22:24 PM , Rating: 5
IMHO, this is just a red herring to introduce the latest configuration (PS3 without the PS2 chips) into the mainstream (i.e. NA and Japan) and sell out of it's 60GB configuration stock as fast as possible.

Plus, 80GB is roughly the same as 60GB when purchased in these massive quantities. Expect the 80GB version (reduced to $499) to be the only version 8 more months from now. In meantime, anyone dumb enough to buy the 80GB version gives Sony some x-tra coin with little effort. As someone posted, " the highest SKU, sells better."


Not happy about this bit...
By Amiga500 on 7/9/2007 9:00:38 AM , Rating: 3
Now that the price of the 60GB PS3 is slashed by $100, might this be a sign of things to come for Europe and Australia? Not yet, as Karraker says, “This news does not affect any other PS3 territory.”

A PS3 is currently £425 over here - thats around $800-850US!!!

The Europeans are paying wayyy over the odds compared to the Americas, yet no sign of a price cut, or is it Sony doing the denial act right up until they relent?




RE: Not happy about this bit...
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 7/9/2007 9:12:51 AM , Rating: 4
Europe is far more expensive to do business in as well. Import taxes, selling fees, Tax, VAT, and more.... Very expensive to import and sell products to Europe.


RE: Not happy about this bit...
By Flunk on 7/9/2007 9:18:19 AM , Rating: 3
Also taxes are not included on the selling price. The prices quoted above do not include tax which can be as high as 14% (Ontario, Canada)


RE: Not happy about this bit...
By oTAL on 7/11/2007 10:01:22 AM , Rating: 1
Yup.
Plus, we get 2 year minimum mandatory warranty for every product. As MS showed us recently, that can cost a bucket load of money. Yet, we are better protected against shoddy corporations. Imagine if a company had a product like the Xbox 360 and decided they don't give a shit that it usually breaks after 3-6 months after you bought it (fortunately MS took the responsible route and they deserve praise for that). Your loss! Lots of broken products filling landfills. Lots of you would say that company would not sell anymore products because noone would buy them.
I believe this reasoning doesn't work for 2 reasons:

1 - If the marketing is good enough, and the product is not VERY expensive and not reliant on a community, most people don't tell their friends that a product broke. Sony TVs have a somewhat high failure rate - compared to other similarly priced competitors they last considerably less (although not absurdly less). Yet people don't talk about it and when John Doe goes out to buy a TV Sony is a reference name despite selling overpriced,shorter lasting products.

2 - Even if a company can't maintain a reputation after a product collapses, they can just close down, take the money, and open a new company afresh... rinse and repeat.

The EU regulations cost money. You can't expect to have the same prices you can get in the US. Still, you get better service. It's definitely worth it.

As for the price difference when it comes to recent products like the PS3, it is caused by the great devaluation of the USD. The truth is when the dollar was on parity with EURO, things still costed the same amount on both currencies. Right now we are getting robbed by that, but it doesn't really affect us as consumers... unless you live in europe and are paid in USD.


RE: Not happy about this bit...
By DingieM on 7/9/2007 9:23:00 AM , Rating: 2
Especially Britain compared to other parts of Europe.

Only 20Gb more and a game that may not be interesting?
This deal won't make much difference as a price-drop for the Xbox360 is highly likely to occur this year because the PS3 dropped in price.

The new price will come closer to people who desperately want this PS3.

Too bad the exclusive games for the PS3 suck in comparison to the Xbox360 ones. I know its a personal opinion.


RE: Not happy about this bit...
By Spivonious on 7/9/2007 9:55:07 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah but for a meal at McDonalds it can cost over £5! I would be outraged if I had to pay $10 for a hamburger and fries at a fast food place.


RE: Not happy about this bit...
By Merry on 7/9/2007 10:05:08 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah but for a meal at McDonalds it can cost over £5! I would be outraged if I had to pay $10 for a hamburger and fries at a fast food place.


Yes it is more expensive in the Uk(17.5% more expensive for VAT), but i'm led to believe that most goods sold here are over that amount more expensive.

Could also have something do do with the fact the pound is rather strong in relation to the dollar at the moment too, also £5 is pretty much less than three quarters of an hours worth of work here (for me as a student that is), so relativley its not so expensive for us.


Well surprise, surprise..
By Legionosh on 7/9/2007 9:44:31 AM , Rating: 3
..while we all expected the price cut, I for one did not expect them to announce ANOTHER model (we had all heard rumors of the 80GB models months ago, but still this was not expected).

I have to agree with one of the other posters here : it's pretty apparent that the $600 price point doesn't work as well as Sony would've liked, and the 20GB HDD jump seems almost non existent. Yes it does come with Motorstorm, but the odds are that will be a limited time offer..

(when was the last time a pack in game was permanent? I don't even think super mario world was permanent..of course I bought my SNES at launch, so I can't vouch for the later SNES systems..)

...so once the pack in game expires, will the $599 versions only benefit over the $499 model be the extra 20GB of HDD space?

I SERIOUSLY doubt most people will pay an extra $100 just for that.

It almost seems silly to charge $100 more for 20GB of extra space (again the pack in game is probably a temporary thing) if you ask me...I guess time will tell how the public reacts to this.

Microsoft will HAVE to respond to this. With the Wii closing in on the 360 sales after less than a year, and the PS3 now only $20 more than an Elite (with far more features I might add), they will HAVE to announce SOME sort of price cut at E3.

I just hope it's a meaningful cut. Nothing like a $20-$30 cut (even a $50 cut almost doesn't seem like it's enough, especially with the recent RROD issue finally being publicly admitted, although a 3 year warranty against that issue is indeed welcome).

It will be 2 years this November since the 360 launch, more than enough time for a price cut.

I think the pricing of a $200 Core, a $300 premium and a $400 Elite would do nothing but good for MS. It almost seems like a necessity at this point. The 360 simply can't stay at it's current price point forever.

(I just don't think a $450 Elite would be a good idea. It's still too close to the $499 PS3, hence why I feel a $100 cut across the board is their best option).

That my thoughts on the subject.

Kevin

legionosh@msn.com




RE: Well surprise, surprise..
By Spivonious on 7/9/2007 10:17:40 AM , Rating: 3
I agree with your post. I just wanted to point out that the Wii comes with a pack-in game (and a really fun one at that).

I just wish systems would start coming with two controllers again. We're supposed to play video games with friends, right?


RE: Well surprise, surprise..
By Legionosh on 7/9/2007 10:32:24 AM , Rating: 2
Yes I agree, the pack in game IS fun (I managed to acquire a Wii, as well as a PS3 fairly recently. I am happy to own all the current gen consoles).

However, other than the pack in game and Zelda (which I already have), there is nothing I really want to play on the Wii. Same goes for the PS3. Although I am glad I managed to (finally) get one on a payment plan, there is still nothing on it I MUST HAVE.

(R:FoM is good, but it almost seems spastic with it's uber fast pace...then maybe it's just my reflexes not being quite what they were in my teens..lol. Motorstorm? Pretty good, but I'll buy it when it's less than $30)

As far as the two controller thing, I doubt that will happen unless it's a special deal. Controllers (wireless ones) go for $50 (unless you're the Wii, then you charge $60 for the Wii remote and the nunchuck). Why pack in when they can hit the customer for $50 a pop?

(I don't necessarily like having to pay for the 360 controller battery, but at least it is user replaceable. While you CAN replace the PS3 controller battery, most people aren't willing to OPEN THEIR CONTROLLER to do that. I've taken apart PS2 controller often. While it isn't necessarily difficult, it by all means isn't fun nor "easy as pie". Patience and a "really small screwdriver" are a must..lol)

I'd rather pay a little extra for the 360 battery that takes 2 seconds to swap.

Of course Sony did say you could send in your controller and that they would replace the battery (so you'll be without your controller for HOW long? Seems almost silly).

Kevin

legionosh@msn.com


RE: Well surprise, surprise..
By bkm32 on 7/9/2007 11:00:53 AM , Rating: 2
I agree completely with your post. Although a $450 Elite with Gears of War or a "Cops n' Robbers" bundle (Crackdown + Saints Row) would be better. And better still would be a $60 voucher for Halo 3 and include Halo 1 & 2.


RE: Well surprise, surprise..
By peritusONE on 7/9/2007 2:35:01 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Although a $450 Elite with Gears of War or a "Cops n' Robbers" bundle (Crackdown + Saints Row) would be better.

This is true, however I doubt you'll ever see a mature rated game packed in with a console.


RE: Well surprise, surprise..
By bkm32 on 7/11/2007 4:13:03 PM , Rating: 2
According to you, the X360 caters to a different demographic.

One more thing, Sony sold thousands if not millions of PS2s with GTA 3 and VC bundled.


RE: Well surprise, surprise..
By afkrotch on 7/28/2007 10:28:11 PM , Rating: 2
I fall into a weird demographic. Here's the games I really enjoy on my PS3.

Armored Core 4
Gundam: Target in Sight
Gundam Musou
Resistance
Genji

I own other games, but those are my favorites. For my Xbox 360 here's what I enjoy.

Idolm@ster
Gears of War
DOA4

Again, I own other games, but those are my favorites. Gears of War is kind of iffy for me, as I only seem to play that game about 1 hour out of the week. It's just not interesting enough for me to have a big crash session on the game, but it's enough that I don't stop playing the game completely.

Also, The Darkness game kind of blows ass. Reminds me of a little like Oblivion, with no RPG elements. You can do the main story or play the little side quests you find througout the game.

Your character sounds all Italian and has an Italian name, but remarkably, he looks Native American.

I do like how you have full movies in the game that you can watch in TV sets you find in the game. I literally part my character in front of a TV set that was sitting in a shopping cart or roughly 20 mins, watching The Street Fighter (not the stupid game turned movie).


Meanwhile....
By ToeCutter on 7/9/2007 10:16:05 AM , Rating: 2
..the Wii continues to burn thru the retail channels.

Early reaction to Sony's price drop has been luke warm at best. I've seen quite a few "I'm gonna get one, as soon as I save up the cash.." posts even after the price drop!

Man, you have to wonder what the hell is going on at Sony? During the release of PS3 and Wii, I would have been impressed if Wii simply held it's own but it's apparent that it's cleaning PS3's clock, even in Japan. Freaking amazing. Gamers must be choosing systems based upon, *gasp*, the games each system is offering.

Disclaimer: I have only moderate interest in PS3 and practically none in Wii. And Xbox360 is completely out due to notorious QC issues. Bummer! There isn't much to be excited about these days?




RE: Meanwhile....
By Spivonious on 7/9/2007 10:21:22 AM , Rating: 2
Don't forget about the price. The Wii costs less than half of a $600 PS3.

I love the Wii, but price is a major factor in its sales being so high.


RE: Meanwhile....
By Legionosh on 7/9/2007 10:38:59 AM , Rating: 3
That is what I have said for a long time.

One way to look at that is like this :

How well would the Wii had sold had it been released at $400? My guess is nowhere near as good as it did at the $250 price point. Had the 360 been $600 it would've done FAR less in sales. Price attracts customers. Bottom line.

Like it or not people price dictates EVERYTHING in life. What we eat, what we wear, what we drive, where we live..EVERYTHING. If price didn't matter we'd all live in mansions and drive a porsche (insert your UBER car of choice..mine is the Ford GT or Shelby Cobra Concept).

Just some food for thought.

Kevin

legionosh@msn.com


RE: Meanwhile....
By Parhel on 7/9/2007 10:40:52 AM , Rating: 2
I have to agree. No matter how high-tech or how many features, $499 is a whole lot to expect ordinary people to pay for a game console.

I also think that having multiple versions of the PS3 dilutes people's interest. If someone is at the store looking at the $499 model, I would imagine them feeling that not only is $499 a lot of money, but that they are getting a "second best" system that doesn't even include bragging rights. Then they are back to looking at spending $599 on a system and Sony is in the same position they were last month.

I realize I'm not an expert on the matter, but if I were working in marketing for Sony, I would highly advise them to drop the tiered approach to their consoles and offer a single machine. As it stands, they seem to be shooting themselves in the foot with this "price drop." Having too little hard drive space is hardly the reason the PS3 hasn't been selling.


RE: Meanwhile....
By SirLucius on 7/9/2007 12:11:27 PM , Rating: 4
You raise an excellent point about the tiered approach Sony and Microsoft have taken. I think a major part of Nintendo's success has been that they've offered one Wii. There's a standard set of features that everyone gets for one set price. It makes it much easier and less confusing for the average consumer, especially compared to Microsoft's 3 versions and Sony's 2 versions of the same system. Granted each has different features and capabilities, but that just adds to the confusion. Think about all the previous generations of consoles. There was one Xbox, one PS2, and one Gamecube. Simple, right?


RE: Meanwhile....
By encryptkeeper on 7/10/2007 9:57:18 AM , Rating: 2
Basically, that's correct.

BTW weren't Sony and MS the ones complaining about how wrong it is for Nintendo to revise it's hardware so often? Just food for thought.


Blu-ray..
By HotdogIT on 7/9/2007 8:36:36 AM , Rating: 2
As my friend said when the PS3 originally came out, and many others echoed:

"Hell of a price for a Blu-Ray player!"

With 5 free Blu-Ray titles, makes it semi-attractive. If you're looking for that, of course.




RE: Blu-ray..
By AlexWade on 7/9/2007 8:38:27 AM , Rating: 3
It is attractive, and I do want one. Too bad I cannot afford it. And I'm in the majority.


RE: Blu-ray..
By therealnickdanger on 7/9/2007 9:14:15 AM , Rating: 2
I'd rather buy a $250 Toshiba HD-DVD player and get 5 free HD-DVDs. Half the price with picture and sound every bit as good, plus much better upscaling of standard DVDs. With Dragon Lair coming to HD-DVD, it will have as many games as the PS3 as well. :P


RE: Blu-ray..
By corduroygt on 7/10/2007 9:03:41 AM , Rating: 1
Mr. HDDVD fudboy, could you please explain how is the $250 toshiba player upscaling better than the PS3, especially when it cannot output at 1080p?


RE: Blu-ray..
By Chris Peredun on 7/10/2007 10:08:56 AM , Rating: 2
I realize I'm probably opening a real can of bees here (yes, bees - worms are easier to contain, and there's no real danger) but when it comes to 24fps film content, 1080i and 1080p are (essentially) identical, provided that your HDTV has proper inverse telecine ("IVTC" or "reverse 3:2 pulldown") detection and functionality. 24 progressive frames can be converted to and from 60 interlaced fields without quality loss.

And also, upscaling quality obviously differs between players. I don't own the Toshiba HD-A2 (which I assume is the player in question) so I can't speak to that effect.


RE: Blu-ray..
By pammy ut on 7/10/2007 6:36:08 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
As my friend said when the PS3 originally came out, and many others echoed:

"Hell of a price for a Blu-Ray player!"

With 5 free Blu-Ray titles, makes it semi-attractive. If you're looking for that, of course.

Exactly, it's awesome for blu-ray movies.

And that's what the PS3 is -- a movie player -- that also happens to play some games too.

Due to the poor design of the PS3 system, game developers have been crippled trying to design and program for what they often call a "mess". Sadly, it appears the PS3 will never be able to realize the dream of being a pure gaming system.

I can't imagine anybody buying the PS3 strictly as a game machine, because it simply can't compete with the games on XBOX360.

The PS3... it's more like a blu-ray player with a *bonus*.


RE: Blu-ray..
By Mach Omega on 7/10/2007 2:10:08 PM , Rating: 2
Pammy, do you ever contribute anything that isn't completely conjectural? The PS2 was supposedly extremely difficult to program but developers managed to scrape through and put together some awesome games. As for the PS3 not competing with the 360 as a gaming machine, you DO realize that the machines are basically the same from a raw horsepower perspective? What I think is ironic is that, while the 360 supposedly has a better GPU, the same games for the PS3 generally look slightly better. What's up with that?

Architectural differences and dev toolkits make the 360 EASIER to program but developers can and will make great games for the PS3. It'll be tougher but it's not Chinese arithmetic. What's with all the FUD?


80gb version
By GoatMonkey on 7/9/2007 8:50:47 AM , Rating: 2
I wonder if the 80gb version has the same emulation to support the PS2 games, or if it has the hardware chip like the European models. It's probably the same software emulation since they didn't say specifically, but one can hope.




RE: 80gb version
By Amiga500 on 7/9/2007 8:55:51 AM , Rating: 2
Im not sure on this, but isn't it the other way around?

i.e. the european chips use emulation software, while the rest of the world gets the chip?

Either way, it doesn't really matter, the PS3 has power to burn compared to the PS2 (so it can happily chug away half of it on an emulator).


RE: 80gb version
By Griswold on 7/9/2007 9:11:12 AM , Rating: 2
You got that right, the latest revision is the EU one and it uses an emulator. The rest of the world will eventually follow - it cuts down on the production cost after all.


RE: 80gb version
By Chadder007 on 7/9/2007 9:12:18 AM , Rating: 2
True...it is indeed the other way around. Hardware chip for everywhere but Europe which got the software emulator. Not sure on this new model though.


RE: 80gb version
By GoatMonkey on 7/9/2007 9:35:08 AM , Rating: 2
Ah, ok. Sorry about that, I must have misread that somewhere.


RE: 80gb version
By peritusONE on 7/9/2007 2:31:10 PM , Rating: 3
The article on CNN stated that it's sources said that the new $599 SKU would indeed go the route of the European units and remove the actual PS2 hardware bits, and do backwards compatibility via software emulation. However, the $499 will continue to hold the hardware for the time being. I'm guessing this will be until current stock is sold through, because they have no reason to continue to include it if it is being removed from the higher priced system.


Games!?!
By cscpianoman on 7/9/2007 8:46:50 AM , Rating: 2
Wait a tick, more than 100 games? What ever happened to the 380 they were talking about a few weeks ago?

http://www.dailytech.com/Sony+to+Give+PS3+a+Shot+o...




RE: Games!?!
By Griswold on 7/9/2007 9:14:19 AM , Rating: 2
Sony-Exec-Extrapolations :p


RE: Games!?!
By omnicronx on 7/9/2007 9:44:34 AM , Rating: 2
i think they said 300 titles.. which could include anything.
from games released in North America to the countless pieces of crap being sold in japan, heck knowing sony maybe they are even including old ps2 games to be supported via firmware haha.


RE: Games!?!
By Parhel on 7/9/2007 10:44:13 AM , Rating: 2
380 is more than 100. :)


Competition is a good thing!
By JAH on 7/9/2007 1:28:33 PM , Rating: 3
All the fanboys need to get their thick skull that competition is a good thing and wishing for a console to fail (which seem to be the sentiment around here regarding the PS3) is not a good deal for us consumers. Sony would have never done this it it weren't for the stiff competitions from MS and Nintendo. Nor would MS offer that great deal on free RRoD repair and extended warranty (which affected me personally) if they didn't have competitions.

I own all three consoles, and here's hoping they keep undercutting each others for the benefit us all.




RE: Competition is a good thing!
By Chaser on 7/9/2007 3:30:45 PM , Rating: 3
On all sides of the fence! Well said!


360 is doomed
By LiptonGreenTea on 7/9/07, Rating: 0
RE: 360 is doomed
By pammy ut on 7/10/2007 6:16:40 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
and better games.


Better games? No offense, but what planet are you from?

Here on earth, the PS3 game library is awful compared to the XBOX360. It's not even close. XBOX360 dominates in every conceivable game type and category.

Furthermore, the games that come out on both systems are almost always better on the 360. The reviews and ratings don't lie.

Honestly, if not for movies, our PS3 would never get used, because all the gaming is taking place on our 360. The same is the case for every person (or family) I've talked to with both systems. The 360 is simply a better gaming platform, with a vastly superior library of games. AND it's a system that is developer-friendly (unlike the PS3 "mess" which continues to give developers nightmares).


RE: 360 is doomed
By Mach Omega on 7/10/2007 2:14:36 PM , Rating: 2
Here we go again...

Pammy the review generally state that the graphics are slightly better on the PS3 while the 360 versions have better content. Last time I checked, that's a trade-off. I like better graphics, some people want more content. If you are going to pass something off as a fact, at least get it right.


RE: 360 is doomed
By daBKLYNdoorman on 7/12/2007 7:04:15 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, there might not be many games out for the PS3 now, but believe me, in a few months, you'll see a heck of a lot of good titles coming out. Just go onto GameSpot and look at the list of upcoming PS3 games... tons of 'em. Plus, most of them are well known titles, not some crap from China Town.


sad
By thejez on 7/9/2007 8:38:57 AM , Rating: 3
Hard to believe people were paying $2k for these on eBay just a few months ago! Those poor suckers.




RE: sad
By edge929 on 7/9/2007 12:00:54 PM , Rating: 2
If you were lucky enough to secure one on launch day, many eBay auctions hit $5000 bone then quickly feel off to your state $2K a few days later and hit barely-above-MSRP after Christmas.

I'm sure we all know someone who had to end up taking their console back to the store after it failed to sell on eBay.


The 80gb deal looks unatractive.
By Acid Rain on 7/9/2007 8:50:48 AM , Rating: 2
I won't be surprised if it carries the same faith of the 20gb version.

I really don't get what Sony is doing - the whole point of with higher priced bundles is to seduce the consumer by offering more for seemingly little extra.

however - a 80gb drive and a game would cost you about 100$ anyhow - so why confine yourself to a particular game and a particular hard-drive space which is not that much more then 60gb to begin with.

on top of that - they already know the 600$ price-point doesn't work as well as they expected.

go figure...




By akugami on 7/9/2007 9:22:26 AM , Rating: 2
Because they lose less money on the higher priced configuration. Think about it, you get a game which probably costs them $1 to physically make (obviously development costs are a lot more) and an extra 20GB. Hard drives are cheap enough where you can get a better value by buying your own HD and the game is only a good value if you like that type of games.

I'm leaning towards picking one up at $500...though obviously not the 80GB version.


crippled backward comp?
By dome1234 on 7/9/2007 10:40:58 AM , Rating: 2
is the "emocon" chipset still there after the pricecut?




RE: crippled backward comp?
By Legionosh on 7/9/2007 12:21:20 PM , Rating: 2
That is something we don't know yet.

But with Sony looking to cut costs ANY way it can, and with at least one manufacturing facility already producing the PS3 without the EE, I doubt it will be long before the EE-less PS3s are the standard worldwide.

(oh, and I think you mean the "emotion engine" chipset, referred to as EE in my post)

Kevin

legionosh@msn.com


man
By TheDoc9 on 7/9/2007 1:25:45 PM , Rating: 2
Too bad I didn't know the future, I picked one up a week before the price cut announcement.




RE: man
By Rocket321 on 7/9/2007 5:28:51 PM , Rating: 2
Just about every retail store will refund you the difference if you have the sales reciept. I did the same thing when I bought my digital camera. Took in the reciept after it went on sale a week later and got a quick $20 back. I wouldn't think it would be any different for a game console.


By MikieTImT on 7/9/2007 1:55:27 PM , Rating: 2
With this kind of hardware, I could see where this system might make the basis for a nice HTPC/gaming combo, but I think that everyone currently would prefer having separate systems for the short term. They definitely have to get some compelling games on board for this to be feasible and one day profitable for them though.




I just read this morning...
By colonelclaw on 7/10/2007 6:40:22 AM , Rating: 2
on the way into work here in london i read in 'City A.M.' (a free financial rag given out on public transport) that a sony spokesperson has claimed that with this price cut sales will DOUBLE! sounds a bit optimistic to me, what do you all think?




So lets say..
By excrucio on 7/12/2007 2:05:41 PM , Rating: 2
So.. $100 off, within the first year, wait not even...

think about it a 80 gig HD cost about 40-50 bucks(with massive ammounts of harddrive u probably get some discounts) plus the game costa 49.99?

i think sony is barely making money.

props to them finding a way to take 100 off so soon.




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