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Sony working to resolve upscaler issue with older HDTVs

DailyTech reported last week that Sony's PlayStation 3 has issues with upscaling to 1080i resolution. The problem stems from the fact that some older HDTV's can only display in high definition resolutions of 480p or 1080i -- 720p is not an option for these TVs. For a PS3 title running in native 720p resolution, a PS3 will not upscale to 1080i, but will instead downgrade to 480p.

According to GameDaily BIZ, Sony has acknowledged that this is a problem for the PS3. The following statement was provided by Sony Computer Entertainment America:

A small number of older High Definition television sets found in the United States only have 1080i inputs for HD signals. Those televisions will currently only play some PS3 titles at 480p resolution. PS3 games render images at either 720p or 1080p for High Definition and you need 720p input on the TV to play select games that do not support 1080p. This is an issue on the side of the individual television sets, which do not accept 720p input, so when a game outputs an HD signal only at 720p, these select TVs have to display the game at 480p instead.

A fix is in the works, but there was no timetable given on availability.



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Hmm...
By encryptkeeper on 11/21/2006 4:39:57 PM , Rating: 3
So they blame the TV instead of the software or PS3? I don't buy that. Try again Sony, you're going after the crowd of people with 1080p televisions and didn't test what would happen if a person has 1080i on their set.




RE: Hmm...
By HomeChicken on 11/21/2006 4:47:33 PM , Rating: 5
The ironic thing is that almost all Sony CRT HDTV's fall into this 1080i/480p/480i only category. I would think they would support their own products.


RE: Hmm...
By walk2k on 11/21/2006 5:56:24 PM , Rating: 2
I'm sure there's some really old sets there, but I have a Sony CRT and it handles 720p just fine. It doesn't look near as good as 1080i but it's never going to.


RE: Hmm...
By Lakku on 11/21/2006 7:23:08 PM , Rating: 3
Not that this is on topic, but I think I have heard you or someone else talk about 720p never looking as good as 1080i. While this may be true on paper or in theory, it's not true, in my experience, in practice. I have yet to compare an uncompressed signal, in which case 1080i would probably be better (say from an HD-DVD or BluRay which is less compressed then a broadcast signal), but broadcast HDTV is HEAVILY compressed, at least with companies like Time Warner and Cox. This means they both don't look as good as they should, and when you get down to it, any kind of moving image, say hockey or soccer (sports in general), looks better/is smoother on a 720p image. Hence the reason ESPN and some others broadcast a native 720p signal. Maybe Sunrise Earth on Discovery HD would look a lot better, but in reality, with broadcast HD, 720p is as good or better in most situations. With all that said, and someone can correct me if wrong, as I understand it, 1080i is achieved by interlacing two 540 line fields (meaning the parts of 1080 are less resolution then the whole of a 720p image) to get 1080. This is fine on a still image, but not so great on moving images.


RE: Hmm...
By Snoop on 11/21/2006 7:44:54 PM , Rating: 3
Fox and ESPN broadcast their HD football in 720p it looks decent. CBS uses 1080i and it is clearly better and does not pixelate to a noticable degree. INHD uses 1080i and the pq on that channel is second to none. Most shows on HDNET are 1080i and like INHD it has superb quality.

1080i > 720p


RE: Hmm...
By MrSmurf on 11/22/2006 12:22:22 PM , Rating: 1
It's not really a fair comparison to use cable/sat. channels as they are compressed by your provider -- some moreso than others. Some 1080i channels could look worse than 720p channels and vice versa.

If you compare HD-DVD/Blu-Ray to your HD stations through your cable box, the HD stations will never look the same.


RE: Hmm...
By Shadowself on 11/21/2006 7:49:16 PM , Rating: 2
If you are looking at something other than the very highly compressed HD signals you get from cable or satellite, e.g., from either a game designed to do 1080 or HD DVD or Blu-ray you will definitely notice that the imagery is better for 1080 than for 720. The current debate is whether 1080i is noticeably worse than 1080p. Many claim that high motion, high contrast, high color imagery is distinctly better at 1080p than 1080i.

It is NOT true that 1080i is based upon 540 imagery. The 1080i is based upon images that are 1080 high, but it is broken into to fields to make up the full frame. The fields are transmitted at twice the frame rate. Thus you get lines 1, 3, 5, 7, etc. up through 1079 in frame one and then one half the frame time later you get lines 2,4,6,8 etc. up through 1080 in frame two. Thus 1080i gives you much better spatial resolution than 720p.


RE: Hmm...
By rtrski on 11/22/2006 8:51:59 AM , Rating: 3
I love hair-splitting like this.

Each frame has only 540 lines of 'data'. With gaps for the other 540 lines. Since each frameset only updates 30 times vs 60 times a second you lose some motion capture resolution.

Sure, the *spatial* resolution is higher with 1080i than 720p, but the total data flow in pixels per second is about the same. What matters isn't really the absolute number of pixels on a given 'screen' so much as the perceived image to the human eyes. Given persistence of vision, interlacing need not be a problem...but it depends on your particular wetware processor. Most people actually do perceive the interlacing as a slight blur effect that counteracts the higher absolute pixel count. Don't believe me? Compare a 480i to a 480p picture and tell me which looks visually "crisper". Compare both static and moving images (sports, action scenes, etc.)

Most Home Theater PC users prefer 720p because text remains much clearer, especially when scrolling, than on 1080i.

Bottom line, neither one is really 'superior' - they're just different ways of using about the same pixel over time datarate to fill the broadcast channel. 1080p is definitely superior to both...but I agree with you, whether the human eye can really pick up that improvement in all cases is probably debatable.


RE: Hmm...
By walk2k on 11/21/2006 9:19:10 PM , Rating: 2
It depends on the screen's size.

Once you get to 45" or larger, (at optimal viewing range, which is 6-8 feet) you can start to see a difference between 720p and 1080i, assuming you have well-produced content (clearly not all HD is well-produced, and some like on satellite, is badly compressed...).

When you are talking 60" or larger, you will definitely see a difference.


RE: Hmm...
By Souka on 11/21/06, Rating: 0
RE: Hmm...
By Spivonious on 11/22/2006 10:09:02 AM , Rating: 1
Correct me if I'm wrong, but....

1080i = 1080 interlaced

720p = 720 progressive

so isn't 1080i = 540p? Therefore making 720p higher quality?


RE: Hmm...
By rcc on 11/22/2006 12:44:26 PM , Rating: 2
I don't believe so. Because the 1080i has twice as much vertical resolution, but it's updated half as often. It really depends on what you are looking at.


RE: Hmm...
By Hawkido on 11/27/2006 3:30:59 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
so isn't 1080i = 540p? Therefore making 720p higher quality?


The answer is no, and more so no.
I'll do my best to explain, because I am no expert, and other can correct me if I am wrong, please.

1080i > 540p because the interlacing allows your mind to interpolate the differences between the frames, and also allows the increased frame rate from 30 frames a second, to 60 frames a second over the same bandwidth as 1080p at 30 fps. Example: Would you consider 240p to be a superior picture to 480i? While it might be just as much information, the interpolation that your mind does allows you to synthesize the difference between the two frames. Also some of the higher end HD sets will run a 1080i frame as a 1080p frame and interpolate the interleaving into a solid frame. The IQ will not be as good as a 1080p frame. But it will be far superior to 720p. The progressive scan results in a far more solid looking picture, while the interleaving can give a somewhat watery image, but the fact is there is still more image data in the horizontal line on 1080i than there is on 720p.
1080i 1920 horizontal pixels & 540 vertical pixels = 1,036,800 pixels
720p 1280 horizontal pixels & 720 vertical pixels = 921,600 pixels
Plus the interpolation adds the illusion of more image to be seen.


RE: Hmm...
By abhaxus on 11/23/2006 12:36:32 AM , Rating: 2
On another thread someone posted that sony CRTs downgrade a 720p signal to 480/540p. Having seen 720p on a sony CRT (KD34XBR970) I can attest to 720p looking very bad in comparison to 1080i.

I still don't understand how Sony could drop the ball on this one. This is a fumble on the 2 yard line of the super bowl.


RE: Hmm...
By acrophile on 11/21/2006 9:04:58 PM , Rating: 2
I have a 36" sony hd crt... it supports 720p and at least on my xbox 360, it looks much better than 1080i... the picture just appears more solid, if that makes any sense, and it creates a more "pleasing" picture than 1080i does, regardless of any resolution advantages.

Also, from what I've experienced with various HDTV's, older Mitsubishi HD sets were notorious for not supporting 720p... I learned this the hard way when I first hooked up my xbox1 to such a set.

As a side note, my 36" HD CRT has much better actual picture quality than any other technology I've seen. Sure it has whacky geometry but you never notice it unless you're looking for it... then of course it's got short-man syndrome being only 36" (4:3 to boot, so more like 34" in wide screen) and games in HD can be hard to read any subtitles or text on the screen so I'm definitely going to buy a larger set soon... too bad a 70" crt would weigh almost a ton and be 20 feet deep. :D


RE: Hmm...
By MooseMuffin on 11/21/2006 4:48:10 PM , Rating: 2
Its funny because I'm sure Sony made some HDTVs that only support 1080i.


RE: Hmm...
By underline21 on 11/22/2006 5:47:09 AM , Rating: 4
The problem isnt TV's that only support 1080i, Its the 1080i TV's that dont scale 720p to 1080i which every HDTV made in the last year does.

IMO its a huge oversight but it is not critical by any means...


RE: Hmm...
By johnsonx on 11/21/2006 7:03:19 PM , Rating: 3
I think what Sony is saying is that *most* 1080i TV's will accept a 720p signal and upscale/interlace it. I'm reasonably sure the Toshiba 26" HDTV I have in the bedroom will do this. But apparently there are some older HDTV's that don't handle a 720P signal at all. I'm not saying this is not a problem, simply that Sony under-estimated the scope of the problem. They probably can fix it in software.


RE: Hmm...
By Wolfpup on 11/21/06, Rating: -1
RE: Hmm...
By OrSin on 11/22/2006 9:31:16 AM , Rating: 2
One again you have have no clue. Most HDTV older then 5 years old only supported 720p or 1080i. It was way to exspensive to do both. And at that time 1080i was much cheaper to implement and actually had a better picture then 720p TV. SO most was 1080i only. Back then my 65 TV cost $3500 and it was one of the best on the market. I now have a 61 DLP and only paid $2500 for it and it does 1080i and 720p. 720p images are better on this set.

For the record 720P images downscaled to 480 look like crap.



RE: Hmm...
By Le Québécois on 11/21/2006 8:11:09 PM , Rating: 1
What I find outrageous is that the quote from Sony seems to imply that they knew that the PS3 had this problem since the beginning and still they published on their web site, and still do, that the PS3 could do 480i-480p-720p-1080i-1080p.

http://www.us.playstation.com/PS3/About/TechnicalS...

quote:
AV Output
Screen size: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
HDMI**: HDMI out - (x1 / HDMI)
Analog: AV MULTI OUT x 1
Digital audio: DIGITAL OUT (OPTICAL) x 1
Blu-ray/DVD/CD DRIVE "read only"




RE: Hmm...
By walk2k on 11/21/2006 9:22:45 PM , Rating: 3
Nothing "outrageous" about it, that chart is correct.

The PS3 can do all those resolutions, including 720p, just fine. The issue is that some old HDTVs can not do 720p and the PS3 doesn't upscale to 1080i in that case, it downscales to 480p. If the HDTV could do 720p (which all should) it wouldn't be an issue.


RE: Hmm...
By Le Québécois on 11/22/2006 12:40:23 AM , Rating: 1
You would be right if it wouldn't be for the :

quote:
Screen size: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p


It just says screen size.

So any uninformed person ( like many parents out there ) that see this and think and even go as far as to look into their tv's manual to look what resolution their tv does would be "cheated" by Sony because there's no * after "screen size" for something like :

*depending on the game's original resolution because the PS3 does not upscale resolution for non native resolution.

After all they did it just one line below for the HDMI to explain what you need to do for it to works.

Now if they at least did that I would be ok with this little problem....


RE: Hmm...
By ani4ani on 11/23/2006 1:37:03 PM , Rating: 2
There is nothing wrong with what Sony is stating the PS3 can do. It can do all of those outputs. The issue is when a TV cannot accept 720P, the PS3 reverts to 480P, rather than 1080i. It has nothing to do with what the PS3 can output, it is what it does when a TV cannot accept the 720P signal that is at issue. They will upgrade the firmware so that in this situation it will revert to 1080i instead.


RE: Hmm...
By Le Québécois on 11/28/2006 4:05:08 AM , Rating: 2
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5076

Are you really sure about what you said?

Now it seems that the PS3 can't downscale from 1080 i or p to 720p? Not what are you going to say in defense for Sony this time?

Oh and this firmware solution you were talking about? Sony doesn't seems to be sure that they can do that.

Now it seems to me that unless you are one off the few very rich and lucky persons that can afford a real 1080p TV you are out of luck. But fear not because Sony has the solution for you, buy one of their 4000$ 1080p TV.

You are right, the PS3 can do all those outpout but the more we dig into what can and cannot do the PS3 the more holes we find.

If this continue like this Sony will have a numbers of exceptions or problems bigger than the numbers of resolutions the PS3 can handles.

You know why I'm that angry with Sony? I just bought one year ago one heck of television. Cost me $$$$ but since I didn't have enough to go with the 1080p models, I had to chose a 720p one. And not a cheap or unknow brand...but guess what, a Grand Wega from Sony.

You know what, before all those bad things about Sony(PS3,Batteries...) I was one of the few technophile that still had some hope in Sony and their products(other than the PS2). The the more time goes on and the more if feel Sony let me down like many others before me.


RE: Hmm...
By Russell on 11/21/06, Rating: 0
RE: Hmm...
By tigen on 11/21/2006 11:36:12 PM , Rating: 2
Sony said this:
"This is an issue on the side of the individual television sets, which do not accept 720p input"

That sentence is worded so as to assign blame to the TV sets.


RE: Hmm...
By JNo on 11/22/2006 6:25:02 AM , Rating: 2
well... er.. it is the tv sets' faults as they should be able to accept 720p if they are labelled HDTV ready! Otherwise they could be seen as SD sets that happen to accept 1080i rather than HD sets that don't accept 720p as *all* HD sets should accept 720p.

I too dislike Sony but understand the issue at hand please guys!


RE: Hmm...
By InsidiousAngel on 11/22/2006 7:45:02 AM , Rating: 2
Well, I for one can say that not all HDTVs labeled HDTV Ready, support 720p. My first HDTV (about 5 1/2 years ago) Hitachi 40" 4:3 projection was labeled HDTV Ready & only supported 480i,480p, & 1080i. It was when I upgraded to my current Hitachi 57" a couple years ago did I get 720p into the mix. I'm pretty sure most (if not all) 1st Generation (and some 2nd Generation) HDTV Ready sets only sported 480p/1080i as their HD resolutions.


RE: Hmm...
By ani4ani on 11/23/2006 1:40:38 PM , Rating: 2
All TV's labelled "HD Ready" have to be able to support 720P. I imagine you are confusing this with "HD Compatible" which is an entirely different situation.


RE: Hmm...
By Goty on 11/21/2006 10:48:29 PM , Rating: 2
It's not an issue with people's TVs that run in 1080i, it's an issue with older TVs that don't support 720p.


Hopefully just a software fix away
By ninjit on 11/21/2006 6:43:40 PM , Rating: 3
They should really seperate the rendering resolution from the display resolution.

The game should be able to render at whatever it likes (720p/1080p), and then the system scale that to whatever the user likes for output on the TV (480i/p, 720p, 1080i/p).

This really shouldn't be an issue, it's already how most DVD players work, since the movies themselves only come in one resolution, the player is responsible for any upscaling/downscaling necessary.

This is even more pointed since Sony has been touting the PS3 as a DVD/BlueRay player anyhow.




RE: Hopefully just a software fix away
By michal1980 on 11/21/06, Rating: -1
RE: Hopefully just a software fix away
By ninjit on 11/21/2006 8:46:19 PM , Rating: 3
I don't know who you are or what you are whining about.

You don't even have another post in this thread?

Did you reply to the wrong news bit?


RE: Hopefully just a software fix away
By michal1980 on 11/21/06, Rating: -1
RE: Hopefully just a software fix away
By theslug on 11/22/2006 8:14:46 AM , Rating: 3
You make idiotic, unsubstantiated comments, then wonder why people are voting you down?


RE: Hopefully just a software fix away
By Spivonious on 11/22/2006 10:24:07 AM , Rating: 2
Actually, apparently the first firmware update for the Wii has a bug in it that is serious enough to require a hardware replacement.


By theslug on 11/22/2006 2:32:25 PM , Rating: 2
I stand corrected. Still though..


Since the PS3 doesn't have a built-in scaler...
By Engine of End on 11/21/2006 5:05:13 PM , Rating: 1
How are they going to fix this? It's not like they can magically put a scaler into all of their hardware.

What a bunch of morons. This fix is just 'vaporware.'




By masteraleph on 11/21/2006 6:05:56 PM , Rating: 2
It can probably be handled in GPU, but that'll cause a (small?) hit to performance.


By bobsmith1492 on 11/21/2006 7:14:44 PM , Rating: 2
"Programmable hardware" - pretty much describes GPUs/CPUs.


RE: Since the PS3 doesn't have a built-in scaler...
By walk2k on 11/21/2006 9:24:45 PM , Rating: 1
Exactly. If Microsoft can "program" the 360's hardware to do 1080p a year after it's built, then Sony can do this.


By OddTSi on 11/22/2006 3:34:09 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, but the 360 has a built-in scaler. How do you program something that doesn't exist?

If the PS3 doesn't have a scaler as people are saying then Sony will have to use up some of the CPU and/or GPU. When you're playing a game that is very resource intensive you might start to notice performance degredation because of that.


Man..
By creathir on 11/21/2006 4:49:00 PM , Rating: 5
They make it sound like its a really small number of TV sets...

I have one of these, as do pretty much any early adopter of HDTV.

Putting the blame on the electronics just continues to show the arrogance of this company. They make a product that cannot do a simple conversion of the graphics from 720p to 1080i, yet the problem is they feel the problem is with the TVs.

I certainly would not be surprised to see the following line come from their mouth:
"A fix has been released... and we have informed everyone with the issue of the resolution. We have let them know that their POS TV is not capable of receiving a TRUE HD signal, and we advise them to head to their local Sony Outlet to pick up a new Sony Wega HDTV."

Would not be surprised at all to see this come from their mouths...

Oh, I also love how they point out the INFERIORITY of Americans… as the problem only exists in America. (It is implied)

- Creathir




RE: Man..
By ATC on 11/22/2006 3:12:41 AM , Rating: 2
Do add insult to injury, I have a Sony hdtv that has this issue. So they're abandoning and belittling their own customers. Very low indeed.


Downscaling problems as well
By OddTSi on 11/21/2006 6:14:57 PM , Rating: 3
http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/ps3.ars/1

According to the Ars review (if you look on page 5 near the bottom) if you are trying to play a Blu-Ray movie in 720p you can expect to be rewarded with a 480p (aka normal DVD-quality) movie.

So not only can it not scale up, it apparently has problems scaling down as well. It definately seems Sony only tested this thing with brand new 1080p sets and expected everyone to have one of those.




RE: Downscaling problems as well
By walk2k on 11/21/2006 9:27:21 PM , Rating: 2
Actually I've heard from friends who have one that it outputs 1080i with Bluray movies, even when set to 720p. That's suboptimal, especially if your HDTV doesn't have a good scaler, but it's certainly better than 480p.


RE: Downscaling problems as well
By OddTSi on 11/21/2006 10:07:51 PM , Rating: 2
I don't have one so I'm not speaking from first hand experience. Ars Technica in that article says that it'll only do 1080i/p and that if you try to do 720p it'll output 480p.


Fix available!!!!
By MDme on 11/21/2006 6:19:10 PM , Rating: 1
RE: Fix available!!!!
By lufoxe on 11/22/2006 8:55:17 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
just click link below...
http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity...


You know it wouldn't surprise me if I saw that.


RE: Fix available!!!!
By Alphafox78 on 11/22/2006 12:29:12 PM , Rating: 2
RE: Fix available!!!!
By Alphafox78 on 11/22/2006 12:30:35 PM , Rating: 2
This TV is $999 on black friday from 5 - 12..
Just picked one up, looks beautiful!!


just a moment
By jazzboy on 11/21/2006 7:36:16 PM , Rating: 2
OK yes Sony should have definately thought about this whilst developing the PS3.

But, surely people who bought a PS3 and were then dissapointed should've held off a few days and made sure there were no issues that mattered to them BEFORE going out to buy one.




RE: just a moment
By PseudoKnight on 11/22/2006 4:51:38 AM , Rating: 2
I totally agree. This goes for any console. So many gamers sacrifice so much for their impatience. Version 1.0 bugs, low number of games, low quality of games, limited multiplayer, higher price, etc. I wouldn't even consider buying the first iteration of a console. By the time a version releases with hardware quality improvements, the price will be cheaper, I'll have plenty of games to choose from, and so forth. Many say they just want the experience; to be a part of something. Well, they now get to enjoy the experience of broken features and dismal selections. Yay for them. But it's their choice, I guess... and somebody has to buy it first.


RE: just a moment
By Loc13 on 11/22/2006 10:07:07 AM , Rating: 2
I haven't had any hardware issue with the PS3 since I bought a 720p capable TV for it. The graphics on Resistance and Ridge Racer 7 aren't what I expected them to be, maybe b/c my TV sucks? The user interface, is retarded, that's for sure, but it can be fixed with software update. I haven't tried plugging in my laser keyboard and mouse set to it yet, not sure if it's gonna support them.


The TV's fault?
By Chadder007 on 11/21/2006 4:55:07 PM , Rating: 5
But the XBOX 360 upscaler works just fine with those TVs.
:confused:




Problem might not go away
By PseudoKnight on 11/21/2006 5:59:24 PM , Rating: 2
Like someone said, I'm pretty sure this is a hardware issue. If this wasn't pre-planned into the hardware design then we might see performance issues with this planned "fix". If it WAS pre-planned then they definetly shouldn't have passed it off as a problem with the TVs because they weren't finished with their implementation of the upscaling.




RE: Problem might not go away
By deeznuts on 11/22/2006 3:47:02 PM , Rating: 2
I might be mistaken, but aren't consoles like PC's now, so it is like telling a video card ok if you don't detect x, scale to Y. Something like that? I know with HDMI and DVI cables, there is a handshake going on where the monitor tells the video card/pc what it's resolution is etc.

So it could just be a software fix, right?


Slim hope...
By Kanti on 11/21/2006 4:42:55 PM , Rating: 2
Fingers crossed that the fix includes an upscaling feature for ALL 480 sources (older games, DVDs, etc.)




OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!
By TimberJon on 11/21/2006 5:00:01 PM , Rating: 2
I bet the fool that had the pressure of the world on his shoulders while all his bosses told him to hurry up and meet that deadline to get this or that on the table and get the PS3 Launched....

...Is 6 stories underground being tortured right now.

Or, it was a ploy to get people to buy new TVs. Cmon.. some people saved all year (some more than one) for this stupid thing. Others killed, maimed... or just borrowed funds from other people to get it. I bet some even used stolen credit cards.




Not a problem for me
By golfducky on 11/21/2006 5:06:04 PM , Rating: 2
Not an issue for me since I just threw my wii-mote through my old non 720p hdtv...




Good news
By walk2k on 11/21/2006 5:50:56 PM , Rating: 2
That's good news they are fixing it.

Should be no problem for the Cell+RSX to handle. It already scales down from 720p to 480p so we know it's possible. We also know it has an interlacer so it can output 1080p games at 1080i interlaced. This should be a very easy fix.




Playing with words
By Josh7289 on 11/21/2006 5:53:36 PM , Rating: 2
I like how they say "select games" don't support 1080p, just to make sure they don't blow their advertising cover of constantly pushing 1080p, when hardly any games support it, and it has really become more of an industry buzzword used to lure in unaware consumers than something that really matters.




No action yet
By Tris on 11/28/2006 8:54:47 AM , Rating: 2
There is an update to the GameDaily BIZ report:

quote:
SCEA's Dave Karraker, Sr. Director, Corporate Communications, informed GameDaily BIZ that they currently cannot confirm that this 1080i issue will be resolved via a firmware patch. The official line is now that they are "looking into the issue and haven't stated any actions that will be taken regarding it."


http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/news/?id=14518




Haha
By gramboh on 11/21/2006 7:03:25 PM , Rating: 1
Honestly how could they screw this up? It's fundamental. I own a 480p/1080i set (Panasonic 47in rear projection from 2001). Xbox 360 handles this fine, and it is definetely a known issue in A/V community.

Pathetic idiots at Sony again, good thing they don't have any launch titles and thus no reason to buy a PS3.




RE: Haha
By Suomynona on 11/23/06, Rating: 0
"My sex life is pretty good" -- Steve Jobs' random musings during the 2010 D8 conference

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