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Some of the new iMacs Apple shipped won't boot, while others have cracked screens.
"It Just Works" -- Apple, Inc.

Apple has certainly had its share of quality issues on its high-end OS-X-sporting notebooks and PCs.  From hard drive (SATA) issues to display issues, Apple has been unable to remedy many of these issues despite repeated firmware updates and in some cases has left those affected to deal with the mess on their own.  To add a bit of irony to such problems, Apple is infamous for its slogan "it just works", which it has used to poke fun at its "buggy" PC competitors.

Now those ordering the company's new iMacs are experiencing a wealth of new problems.  Customers ordering the Intel Core i7 Nehalem-powered machines are finding their Macintosh dream machines coming with a unsightly cracked screens [Source: Apple Support Forums].  Others are finding that their new unit simply won't boot.  Among those with the latter problem are editors at Engadget, who received a non-booting unit for their review.

The bottom-left corner is almost unanimously the site of the screen cracking, so Apple may have a quality control issue with its shipping packaging, some have speculated.  On Apple's support forums, a user "scopro" describes, "There's no apparent damage to the styrofoam or box so it looks like that's a weak spot in the screen and how they are being packed in the boxes.  Hopefully Apple will improve their packaging for these larger iMacs as it may take until Dec. 7 for my replacement to arrive."

As the comment implied, Apple is shipping replacement units and hopefully most of these will arrive by Christmas -- considering that many are likely gifts.  Unfortunately for those looking to get an i7 iMac, they have to take their chances and order online, as the 2.8GHz Intel Core i7 860 processor is offered as a $200 built-to-order option (total price is $2199) on the new 27" iMac, and thus is not available at Apple stores.  A 2.66 GHz Core i5 750 27" iMac is also available online for $1999.

The new iMacs -- if they're not non-booting or otherwise marred -- pack some nice improvements.  The most significant improvement is obviously the new Intel Core i7 processor, which sports 8 MB of L3 cache and an improved design.  The new iMac also ships with a wireless keyboard and the new Magic Mouse.  It can support up to 16 GB of memory.  The new machines come with a large and attractive (if not cracked) 16:9 screen with a 2560x1440 pixel resolution.  They also ship with Apple's new operating system, Snow Leopard, and are ready for Windows 7 (via Bootcamp) to help Mac owners get their gaming fix (for the small crowd of Mac owners that are also PC gamers).

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By Camikazi on 11/24/2009 12:55:10 PM , Rating: 5
And here I thought Apples were superior in hardware quality :/ guess that doesn't include Quality Control.

RE: Disappointed
By Proxes on 11/24/2009 1:01:40 PM , Rating: 4
iCrack comes pre-installed, without it your iMac won't boot.

RE: Disappointed
By amanojaku on 11/24/2009 1:09:28 PM , Rating: 3
iCan has sniff?

RE: Disappointed
By cherrycoke on 11/24/2009 1:15:54 PM , Rating: 5
Are you implying Mac owners are Job's brown nosers?

RE: Disappointed
By MrWho on 11/25/2009 9:48:55 AM , Rating: 3
Either that or they just don't know what to do with their money.

RE: Disappointed
By carniver on 11/24/2009 1:33:56 PM , Rating: 2
i7 <- The seven actually means a crack
It's not a bug, it's a feature!

RE: Disappointed
By ClownPuncher on 11/24/2009 2:59:22 PM , Rating: 5
Theres an RMA box for that! (tm)

RE: Disappointed
By cherrycoke on 11/24/2009 1:13:27 PM , Rating: 5
Maybe they are discouraging Windows on their computers, this crack appears right where the start menu would be!

RE: Disappointed
By Chiisuchianu on 11/24/2009 1:29:08 PM , Rating: 3
It doesn't include anything at all. Your assumption that they're superior in quality is based off their marketing and nothing else.

RE: Disappointed
By jonmcc33 on 11/24/2009 2:05:04 PM , Rating: 5
We all know what marketing does. I have yet to see a Subway sub look the way it does in any of their commercials.

The problem is that Apple uses comparison in their ads. When they say that any PC with Windows won't work and they claim that their Macs just work then that's an expectation and not marketing.

RE: Disappointed
By jhb116 on 11/24/2009 7:13:56 PM , Rating: 5
And the Irony - Microsoft gets sued over the whole Vista debacle (as it should), Verizon gets sued over its commercial (as it should not) but no word of Apple getting sued. Seems like an open and shut case - it just works - well not so much.

RE: Disappointed
By Strunf on 11/25/2009 7:38:28 AM , Rating: 3
Apple had to remove some ad campaign in the UK cause they were too "optimistic", give it a bet more time and they'll be sued like everyone else.

RE: Disappointed
By B3an on 11/25/2009 5:25:53 PM , Rating: 2
Apple have had to remove or change more than a couple of TV ads here in the U.K for things like false advertising.

The U.S needs to step up on this.

RE: Disappointed
By bennyg on 11/25/2009 8:08:13 AM , Rating: 2
ummm no, that would require a Mac owner to acknowledge they bought an inferior product...

No case if you can't find any witnesses to testify, so to speak.

RE: Disappointed
By FaaR on 11/26/2009 12:28:05 AM , Rating: 1
"Inferior" is an extremely relative - not to mention inflammable - term.

Apple products are certainly not inferior to the majority of PC hardware out there. Just taking a look at the cheap-ass stuff circulating in the marketplace shows as much, not just casings and keyboards, screens and whatnot, but mobos, add-in cards and so on. There's a multitude of simply bad, ill-fitting and substandard products out there.

Wether Apple hardware is comparable to the best in the PC camp is something nobody here is in a position to say for certain - any mass-produced item is susceptible to bad production runs and it's happened to ANY manufacturer you care to mention.

Of course, Apple being Apple means it's too tempting a target for all the haters out there, regardless of how deserved the criticism may be - or not be, perhaps. I can't help wonder why you people bother to heap this much bile on the company. You don't have to buy Apple stuff - I certainly don't - why do you even care?

Find something more useful to do with your time instead.

RE: Disappointed
By Alexstarfire on 11/26/2009 3:55:12 AM , Rating: 3
I have yet to come across a brand of anything that is just BAD, save for Hitachi Deskstars back in the day. Even the el cheapo motherboards that come in package deals with CPUs that have pretty much no features, options, or even support, for the most part, work just fine. I got this pretty off brand LCD screen, unless many of you have heard of DCLLCD before, and it's been over 3 years working just great.

I might not be in any real position, but top-of-the-line PC parts are most certainly better than what Apple offers. It's only logical since Apple is effectively just a sub-set of PC parts and are usually a little behind on the top parts that they offer. In terms of quality, I'd still say PC parts best them, but I suppose it depends on what factors you look at. If you just expect your parts to arrive in working order then just about every company is equal. As for what lasts longer.... I couldn't really say. I haven't replaced anything on my computer, save my monitor, because it died of old age. I have broken many a part because of overvolting and overheating and replaced many more parts just to get newer/better ones.

RE: Disappointed
By PrezWeezy on 11/25/2009 7:34:06 PM , Rating: 2
That's because Apple has the best team of lawyers in the world as far as I can tell. Their legal department must get paid bucco bucks as they seem to be able to almost anything they want.

RE: Disappointed
By Camikazi on 11/24/2009 2:09:02 PM , Rating: 2
Well yea :P I know that, so sad they can't even live up to their greater then all, better then the best image :/ Actually I don't like Macs, so it's not sad, just shows they are a PC company like any other and not infallible (hopefully others will see that too).

RE: Disappointed
By The0ne on 11/24/2009 9:40:41 PM , Rating: 2
People believe this pitch all the time. Our last CM (contract manufacturer) here in US had TONS of awards, especially from JD Power. But guess what they have little clue what quality is or the personnel to actually speak the language and implement it. The QA Manager was so ignorant/incompentent that she actually stormed out of my meeting because she was literally making a fool of herself hahahaha funniest sht I ever seen.

She was fired shortly after of complaints from me at all. And although our new CM's in China are not the best still, they are much better than the ones we worked with here. Our Chinese CM's do that as well. Tons of awards, tons of charts and team stuff. But once you sit down and start talking about quality there's absolutely no person qualify enough to have a conversation with.

How can a company function without anyone knowing how to record defects and take appropriate actions? See what I mean hahahahaha Nice awards and charts though :P

RE: Disappointed
By MonkeyPaw on 11/24/2009 2:12:59 PM , Rating: 5
Well, you get what you pay for, and when you pay for status, you often end up with nothing of value.

RE: Disappointed
By kalak on 11/25/2009 1:52:16 PM , Rating: 3
Give this man a SIX !!!

RE: Disappointed
By lewisc on 11/24/2009 2:39:12 PM , Rating: 2
At the risk of being massively downrated, mine works..but then I suppose collecting from the store gives less opportunity for problems during distribution, which presumably are at the root of these problems.

RE: Disappointed
By macthemechanic on 11/25/09, Rating: -1
RE: Disappointed
By SiliconAddict on 11/25/2009 3:05:13 AM , Rating: 5
One month? I tried one for 3 years. I will never go Apple. worse experience I've ever had. The first damn week I found a way to KP tiger consistently. When I migrated my picts over there were prob about a couple thousand thumbnail files in folders in the dir. So I searched for them in spotlight and dragged them to the recycle bin. Well by the time it got to the bottom of the list it had started populating items in the recycle bin into spotlight and BAM. Infinite loop and KP. That is only one of dozens of BS things that happened in OS X. No one can explain to this day why when I shut down OS X it would only shut down the GUI and take me to the command line. from there I would need to hit the power button to turn it off. Or my personal fav. I did an update to Leopard last October and for some reason the update went bad. Couldn't start up WIFI anymore. Took it into the Apple store and was told yah just reinstall the OS. We'll ignore the fact that in Windows I can uninstall the update and try again, or do a quick system restore. remind me again who's OS is more advanced?
We won't even talk about the 7 times I took my MBP in for repairs. 4 on the first MBP, then they replaced it with a new one and 3 more on the new one. Before the warranty was up I sold the thing and got myself a new Dell. Been happily running Win 7 since January.
I will never again buy into Apple PR campaign. Just works my ass. Maybe it works...just like a rectal examination. Doesn't mean I want one anytime soon.

RE: Disappointed
By macthemechanic on 11/25/2009 3:27:02 PM , Rating: 1
I'm sorry you had a bad experience lasting 3 years. It does appear like you basically didn't know how to do various tasks in OS X. I also hated receiving the answer to re-install the OS, as I've gotten that from technical people for both Windows, OS X and Linux over the years. What they are really telling you is that they either don't know or don't have the time to troubleshoot it. If you had paid support, you should demand they fix it. Simply re-installing any OS as the first response is ridiculous.

I too have thousands and thousands of family photos and regularly manage them on my OS X based computer. From what you describe, there sounds like several things that may have happened. Spotlight is similar to Microsoft's Search engine. Each must index in the background. With either OS, you must be patient and not assume it is a hung task when the computer is busy. You can verify this in Windows easily, and just as easy in OS using the Activity Monitor (similar to Task Manager).

I have to say though that some of the problems you described are due to impatience and a basic lack of understanding of how to run the system. A point is that somehow you managed to boot OS X into a mode that runs like Linux that allows the GUI to be shut down. This is usually used for diagnostic purposes and can quite easily be disengaged if you prefer. The norm is to just press the power on button and it automatically boots into the Gui, much like Windows.

RE: Disappointed
By Gary Oak on 11/25/2009 5:58:08 PM , Rating: 3
Apparently you missed a few things in his post. he said the machine KP'd on him. KP means Kernel panic, meaning the machine didnt "hang" or "pause" it had a fatal error. KP is basically the same as the blue screen of death.

If fixing the GUI issue was really that simple, I'm sure he would have figured it out, and not be able to say "No one can explain to this day why when I shut down OS X it would only shut down the GUI and take me to the command line."

RE: Disappointed
By macthemechanic on 11/28/2009 12:44:08 AM , Rating: 1
No, I got that he was having problems with the machine. It would appear that there has been some Darwin (Unix) changes happening on his machine. The lockups can be memory related (just like in Windows), or System tampering. I suspect something or someone may have been making changes to files incorrectly. The shutdown to command line option sounds like the machine was booting into verbose mode (much like Linux options). This can be done two ways, either holding Command V or setting it via command line. Note this link:

I have run Windows systems since Windows first came out in the 80s. I've been running Macs at home and at work since 2000. The only time I've seen what was described was either memory problems, or some errant install program from a untested download from the Internet. I had a firewall program from a normally trusted vendor, go awry once and change ownership on several System files, while attempting to replace others. It didn't go well. The machine locked up. After looking through the logs, the offending software was easily found and removed. The vendor was notified. I'm sorry for this guys problems with his machine. From his writings, it sounds like he's more suited to staying Windows as he seems comfortable and more knowledgeable with it.


RE: Disappointed
By damianrobertjones on 11/25/2009 5:32:07 AM , Rating: 1
I dare you to actually open your mind. Neither windows or osx are perfect and there's only so many ways you can open a picture, write a letter and of course, browse the web.

I choose to spend my money and when I do, I usually try to find something that's suitable and worth the cash. For instance, I decided to purchase a £120 HP DX2400, slapped in a Q9650 with silly sized heatsink and fan, attached a 120m fan to the side of the case, along with a 9800 GX2 and Western Digital Black 32mb cached 7200rpm drive. Ohh, it's fast, so very fast. Many wouldn't bother but it was runs like a dream first time, every time. Oh it’s so amazing, mmmm, ohh yeah, ugghh.

Windows 'is' a versatile operating system, running on so many machines and configurations that apple can only DREAM of such things. Please stay with apple, they deserve you. (A lot of mac converts are people that trashed their machines time after time due to malware, installed rubbish and of course... infections caused due to trying to find... pron!)

I also dare you to write using paragraphs

RE: Disappointed
By damianrobertjones on 11/25/2009 5:34:07 AM , Rating: 2
P.s. There's nothing high class about having the same internal components as standard pcs. You may have a ferrari kit for an MR2 Turbo, but at the end of the day, it's still the same under all the 'shiny bits'

RE: Disappointed
By Nik00117 on 11/25/2009 7:22:39 AM , Rating: 2
But it's still pretty.

This is actually how MAC is going keep their reliability ratings up, if we can't turn it on we can't test it can we?

RE: Disappointed
By damianrobertjones on 11/25/2009 8:09:39 AM , Rating: 2

RE: Disappointed
By RjBass on 11/25/2009 9:49:00 AM , Rating: 3
I don't know about pretty.

Just two days ago I was walking around Logan Int Airport and was looking at all the laptops people were using. I saw a lot of Macs, and while that design may have been pretty for a few years, it looks rather old and tired now. All the Macs looked exactly the same, it was as if I was looking at a bunch of sheep, as I couldn't tell the difference between any of them simply by their shell.

I remember once, years ago, somebody gave Dell a hard time, said Dell computers all look the same, boring and black. Well to me, Apple is falling into the same rut. They all look the same boring white. No various colors, no various keyboard options, just boring white.

OS X may be a really nice OS, and Mac's may have nice hardware under the hood, but I still like options.

RE: Disappointed
By Whaaambulance on 11/25/2009 10:56:46 AM , Rating: 2
Your wall of text has been noted.


RE: Disappointed
By nikon133 on 11/25/2009 4:30:44 PM , Rating: 2
Last couple of times I have checked, Mercedes, BMW, Volvo... were never among top 10 in reliability polls. Those seats were pretty much reserved for likes of Toyota, Subaru, Lexus... maybe an odd European like VW.

One can argue that, with all extras, luxury cars have more things that can go wrong. True. But problem I have with Apples is - they don't have any extras relative to rest of the industry, they are just nice, custom bodyworks with standard Toyota engines, gearboxes, suspensions... sort of speak.

27" Mac has nice processing performance, but graphics are let-down for such a big screen. I doubt 4850 can run many (if any) recent 3D game in screen's native resolution. I consider that bad in any case, and even worst for that price. Add to that what seems to be very common - screen and boot problems...quite a disaster.

False advertising
By muhahaaha on 11/24/2009 2:29:12 PM , Rating: 3
Microsoft should pull an Apple and sue them for false advertising with their "it just works" crap.

RE: False advertising
By muhahaaha on 11/24/2009 2:31:33 PM , Rating: 2
If Microsoft ran a commercial explaining that a "Mac" is just a PC running OSX, people might just "think different" about it.

RE: False advertising
By kattanna on 11/24/2009 2:38:27 PM , Rating: 2
with all the xbox 360 failures, im sure they dont want to open THAT can of worms

RE: False advertising
By jiminicriquet on 11/24/2009 3:05:00 PM , Rating: 3
Comparing an Xbox 360, a video game console that costs 200 dollars to a computer that costs 10 times as much and is for something completely different....

Apples, Oranges etc...

RE: False advertising
By StevoLincolnite on 11/24/2009 10:23:38 PM , Rating: 2
The Xbox and the Mac are both Computer Systems though, and they are both relatively closed off-platforms, one is targeted at just entertainment, while the other is target at all-round usage.

So I think a comparison would be warranted if it ever came to that, especially against the old Mac's with a PowerPC Processor.

RE: False advertising
By Aloonatic on 11/25/2009 8:24:08 AM , Rating: 2
Well, not really.

What we are talking about is a basic reliability/fit for purpose issue aren't we?

In which case, and in that context, henceforth or otherwise, then they can be compared.

Just because one is cheaper than the other is not all that relevant. They should both work or arrive in full working order regardless of how much they cost, surely?

The monetary cost is only an issue regarding features/what you can do with it, not whether you cannot do anything with it at all, other than prop a door open.

HI I'm a.....
By Ratinator on 11/24/2009 1:25:09 PM , Rating: 5
PC Guy: Hi I'm a PC.
Mac Guy: ....... (Laying on floor with hands clasped on chest....dead).
PC Guy: (pulls blanket over entire body of Mac guy)
PC Guy: I see all that BS he was spewing finally caught up to him.

RE: HI I'm a.....
By phantom505 on 11/25/2009 12:32:46 AM , Rating: 2
I think the last line should be:

PC Guy: I see he finally choked on all that Bullshit.

RE: HI I'm a.....
By OmegaVX on 11/25/2009 10:18:37 AM , Rating: 2
PC Guy: Now its time to erase your memory

Cracking under the pressure
By ctodd on 11/24/2009 1:56:41 PM , Rating: 2
Sounds like a clinical case of identity confusion. It is obviously split between the internal components of a PC and the external extremity of a Mac. Very likely it just needs a little counselling with a sledge hammer.

RE: Cracking under the pressure
By OmegaVX on 11/25/2009 10:23:28 AM , Rating: 2
No, this case a little too severe even for the trusty sledgehammer...

This calls for an extensive course of thermite therapy

By Enigmatic on 11/25/2009 8:41:01 AM , Rating: 2
I think the reliability misnomer comes from the fact that people find OSX more reliable (in the sense that it is comparatively more difficult to get viruses/malware on), and somehow that got extended to the hardware. My Macbook's build quality, while satisfactory, is about on par with any other similarly priced laptop. Nothing special from Apple there.

I find the amount anti-Apple posts on here to be a little ridiculous though. I imagine if the manufacturer stated here were Acer or HP the resulting response would be a little different. "It Just Works" is an ad-line referencing the iMac's relative simplicity regarding setup (only one plug really) and OS X's ease of use for the new user (unfounded or otherwise). It does not refer to Apple's shipping practices and I find to ludicrous that these two are somehow being linked. Yeah, I get it's a joke. But not a very good one.

RE: Hmm...
By kalak on 11/25/2009 2:07:51 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I get it's a joke

Sure it is !
But not a very good one

I'm laughing like hell !

By Indigo64 on 11/24/2009 12:57:20 PM , Rating: 2
.. Stick to making computers. It's never wise to cross product lines. The Ghostbusters had it right.

Mac - It just works...
By iFX on 11/24/2009 1:13:51 PM , Rating: 2
Or in this case, just doesn't work.

Poor saps.

And none of them were missed...
By Codeman03xx on 11/24/2009 5:35:44 PM , Rating: 2
who case they were apples.. someone was probably making apple cider at FedEx...

Shipping Solutions
By YeahM8 on 11/24/2009 8:53:36 PM , Rating: 2
Apple could take inspiration from the iPhone jailbreaking problem and ship this gear in steel bars

By SiliconAddict on 11/25/2009 2:52:09 AM , Rating: 2
You can bet that Apple has an app for that.

By geekman1024 on 11/25/2009 7:37:17 AM , Rating: 2
"I came, I saw, I conquered."

"iMac'ed, i7'ed, iFailed."

Cracked screen
By drycrust on 11/25/2009 11:31:34 AM , Rating: 2
I believe this is far more serious than they are saying because my limited experience with computers suggests this is most likely because of a manufacturing defect. So a crack may not appear until the unit has been sold, which will then mean the customer could easily end up having to pay for the cost of repair as it will appear to be a customer initiated fault and not a warranty related repair.

By edwardhchan on 11/24/2009 2:16:05 PM , Rating: 1
They do stock some common "built-to-order" machines. I was given the choice of the i5 or i7 --both in stock-- last week when I went to purchase in Costa Mesa.

Just new segmentation
By DominionSeraph on 11/24/2009 5:18:41 PM , Rating: 1
iTjustworks is now a $699 option for the iMac, plus the required 5 year subscription to AT&T dial-up.

So what percentage are we talking about here?
By KeithP on 11/24/09, Rating: -1
By kmmatney on 11/24/2009 6:09:11 PM , Rating: 1
Your post did not degenerate Apple products or consumers. you have been downgraded.

By Maharajamd on 11/24/09, Rating: -1
RE: Lol
By Ratinator on 11/24/2009 1:38:59 PM , Rating: 2
Face it....Apple is the cocky player in the market. They are a bunch of blowhards bragging their product up and down. That is why it is big news when their products fail.

RE: Lol
By Omega215D on 11/24/2009 2:02:03 PM , Rating: 3
Even as a MacBook owner I hate the condescending tone of their commercials if you are a Windows based PC user. My gaming PC does a lot more than just that and is stable and secure.

Hopefully this will get Apple to tone down a bit.

RE: Lol
By batman4u on 11/24/2009 2:25:12 PM , Rating: 2
hard to believe that apple will stop being so cocky.

adds have gone from being sort of true, to i cant believe they misguide people this much

from being a apple owner defender to the death, i suddenly became so dissapointed for way so many reasons that i dont recommend at all apple computers.

and apple geniuses are most dumb people i know, geniuses... sigh!!!

i hope that company just dies ... lol

RE: Lol
By Maharajamd on 11/24/2009 3:06:52 PM , Rating: 2
I run an entirely Mac network. Before this job, I was a Mac hater and a die hard Windows fan. Now, I love both. They both have their purpose.

The point of my post was simple. Why is this news? Seriously, why is a few defective computers news? I'm sure PC manufactures have just the same or even HIGHER rates of DOA machines. It happens, it can't be avoided.

So give me a reason, other then Jason is the one who wrote this, that it is news?

RE: Lol
By talozin on 11/24/2009 3:27:21 PM , Rating: 3
Why is this news? Seriously, why is a few defective computers news? I'm sure PC manufactures have just the same or even HIGHER rates of DOA machines. It happens, it can't be avoided.

It's news if there are statistics that show a deviation from the norm. If Apple is shipping these systems with a significantly higher rate of DOAs than their competition, that's news, and I'd sure like to know about it. The post implies that that's the case, but it doesn't provide any evidence that it is. The plural of anecdote is not data.

RE: Lol
By Camikazi on 11/24/2009 3:33:18 PM , Rating: 2
For the same reason every tiny revision to an iPod will show up in the news section, I would tell you the reason but I don't understand why they do that either.

RE: Lol
By Cheesew1z69 on 11/24/2009 3:39:04 PM , Rating: 2
A few? How do you know it's a "few". Second, the fact that these are coming out of box, brand new, with CRACKED screens is a PROBLEM.

RE: Lol
By talozin on 11/24/2009 5:33:42 PM , Rating: 2
A few? How do you know it's a "few".

Nobody on this board appears to have any idea just how many it is, so his guess is probably as good as yours.

Second, the fact that these are coming out of box, brand new, with CRACKED screens is a PROBLEM.

It certainly is. The question is, is it a problem (10 units out of 100,000) or is it a PROBLEM (10,000 units out of 100,000)?

RE: Lol
By Reclaimer77 on 11/24/2009 4:59:01 PM , Rating: 2
I think it's news when you are paying 40% more than everyone else and it's not even being quality controlled, or higher quality for that matter.

And this "packaging" excuse of theirs doesn't fly. I have owned several LCD screens, and none of them were so weak that being a bit loose in the box would crack the screen. Not to mention the defect is in the same place, the bottom left. Very fishy.

RE: Lol
By damianrobertjones on 11/25/2009 5:35:29 AM , Rating: 2
As above, it's news due to Apple's cocky nature.

If apple go around stating, "Oh, it just works" and trash the competition, especially after people spend that little bit more, it's news.

Apple is big news, be it positive or negative.

RE: Lol
By OmegaVX on 11/25/2009 10:28:51 AM , Rating: 1
Everyone knows that dell is useless, but then again if you want a decent computer you build it yourself.
Seriously...its really easy.

hey guys
By elmikethemike on 11/24/09, Rating: -1
RE: hey guys
By VashHT on 11/24/2009 2:01:01 PM , Rating: 5
You could go with the alternative and try to defend apple for shipping 2000$+ machines with broken screens but that might be kinda hard to do.

RE: hey guys
By amanojaku on 11/24/2009 2:46:41 PM , Rating: 4
Can I join in on the anti-Apple circle jerk you have going on here?
I thought he wanted MS to splash it's logo all over his display.

RE: hey guys
By Natfly on 11/24/2009 3:45:19 PM , Rating: 2
It's more like a circular dutch rudder thing we have going, not quite a "circle jerk."

RE: hey guys
By Runiteshark on 11/25/2009 7:44:34 PM , Rating: 1
It depends, are you running Ubuntu BSD? Er I mean Mac OSX?

Wealth if defects
By hiscross on 11/24/09, Rating: -1
RE: Wealth if defects
By mcnabney on 11/24/2009 3:46:13 PM , Rating: 1
Why do the Convervatards relate everything in life back to their own skewed political reality?

RE: Wealth if defects
By hiscross on 11/24/09, Rating: -1
RE: Wealth if defects
By damianrobertjones on 11/25/2009 5:37:06 AM , Rating: 3
The stats will never be correct when it comes to apple. Do your recall the exploding iPhone incident and the 'shut up' letter apple sent to the family?

Point made

By talozin on 11/24/09, Rating: -1
RE: Numbers?
By SiliconAddict on 11/25/2009 3:11:08 AM , Rating: 1
Yah because Apple will get right back to you with that info. No company be it MS with the 360 or Apple with...well everything will ever go you numbers. However it is pretty damn funny that Engadget got one of these DOA systems. It has to be at least widespread enough if something like that happens.

RE: Numbers?
By OmegaVX on 11/25/2009 10:36:29 AM , Rating: 1
You're totally correct

Your post is worthless

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