backtop


Print E-mail del.icio.us 47 comment(s) - last by SiN.. on Apr 23 at 7:02 PM

SOHO spacecraft records massive solar flares that cause the suns surface to quake

Data was released today from the joint ESA and NASA Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) spacecraft that shows images of massive solar flares on the surface of the sun cause powerful starquakes to ripple around its surface.

These starquakes are the aftershocks of the explosion of massive solar flares above the suns surface. The data gives physicists new insight into a solar mystery that may even prove to be a useful factor in studying other stars.

The ESA says that the outer quarter of the Sun’s interior is a churning maelstrom of hot gas and that turbulence in the region causes ripples that crisscross around the Sun. According to the ESA, understanding how these ripples move around the Sun has provided scientists with valuable information on the Sun’s interior.

A class of solar oscillations known as 5-minute oscillations that have a frequency of around 3 millihertz have been the most helpful to scientists. These 5-minute oscillations are conventionally described as the sound you would get from a bell sitting in the middle of the desert that is constantly being hit by random grains of sand blown by the wind.

The SOHO data drew a different picture of the 5-minute oscillations for researchers Christoffer Karoff and Hans Kjeldsen from the University of Aarhus in Denmark. Karoff said, “The signal we saw was like someone occasionally walking up to the bell and striking it, which told us that there was something missing from our understanding of how the Sun works.”

The researchers launched a search for the reason the signal differed from conventional though and they found a correlation between the solar flares and the strength of the 5-minute oscillations. Karoff continues, “The strength of the correlation was so strong that there can be no doubt about it.”

Similar phenomenon is known on Earth after large earthquakes when the Earth reverberates with seismic waves. Now that the researchers have noted this correlation research will begin to help determine how exactly these solar flares cause the oscillations. Karoff says, “Now we need to monitor these stars for hundreds of days.”



Comments     Threshold


This article is over a month old, voting and posting comments is disabled

By Cr0nJ0b on 4/18/2008 1:21:37 PM , Rating: 2
Didn't I read in a previous "sun related" article that some scientists believe that we are going into a period of no solar flare activity? They corelated this to a global cooling period for teh earth? Something like that...




By masher2 (blog) on 4/18/2008 1:24:09 PM , Rating: 3
We are in a period of extremely low solar activity, as Solar Cycle 24 begins:

http://www.spaceweather.com/images2008/18apr08/mid...


By Cr0nJ0b on 4/18/2008 1:28:15 PM , Rating: 3
but they were saying that the cycle was "refusing to start" and that this would cause a "little ice age"

http://www.dailytech.com/Solar+Activity+Diminishes...

I've been hiding in my house ever since I read this...I guess I can rest easy now that the sun is spitting out fireballs again.


By FITCamaro on 4/18/2008 1:55:33 PM , Rating: 3
Pfft. The sun can affect our planet's temperature. What a crock.


By FITCamaro on 4/19/2008 10:09:08 AM , Rating: 4
Wow. Yeah see I was joking and making fun of environmentalists.


By masher2 (blog) on 4/18/2008 3:24:55 PM , Rating: 3
The cycle still hasn't started in earnest. Check the picture of the sun's surface -- no spots, whatsoever.


By werepossum on 4/18/2008 4:24:27 PM , Rating: 3
Obviously manmade CO2 production is now so bad it's destroying the sun. There is no other explanation even remotely qualified for the Nobel Peace Prize.

It would almost be worth another Little Ice Age just to shut these people the hell up. We don't even need to think up another name; since the original Little Ice Age was written out of history to avoid making Mann's hockey stick look like total doo doo, we can just call this one the Little Ice Age.


By SiN on 4/18/2008 4:39:43 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
There is no other explanation even remotely qualified for the Nobel Peace Prize.


ManBearPig...

...Half Man...

...Half Bear...

...

...Half Pig!

That or Islam?? too far??


By stryfe on 4/21/2008 11:41:51 AM , Rating: 3
Don't you mean, half man, half bear-pig?
Or was that half pig, half man-bear?
...half bear, half pig-man?


By Grabo on 4/19/2008 5:05:35 AM , Rating: 2
We'll see if it does.
http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/predict.shtml Nasa seems to think so.
And if it doesn't - we'll see if that causes temperatures to drop. I'd be genuinely surprised.


By omnicronx on 4/19/2008 12:15:26 PM , Rating: 2
Go wiki Maunder Minimum. Scientist's are not just making this up, it has happened one before between 1645–1715. Many scientists still call this period the 'Mini Ice Age'.

Heres a little excerpt from wiki:
quote:
The Little Ice Age brought bitterly cold winters to many parts of the world, but is most thoroughly documented in Europe and North America. In the mid-17th century, glaciers in the Swiss Alps advanced, gradually engulfing farms and crushing entire villages.


By Grabo on 4/19/2008 8:12:59 PM , Rating: 2
I know.

My questions were:
1. Will the solar cycle stop (no more sunspots for irregularly long) - NASA thinks it will continue, that solar spots will become more numerous rather soon (see link I posted)- to me that means little chance of one more 'Maunder Minimum', in terms of sunspots.

2. If we are in a Maunder Minimum now, where's the colder weather? Even Masher can't argue that it is getting cooler annually...or can he?

But we'll see. I suppose it is possible that there will be a continued lack of sunspots, and that temperatures will drop. Show me the credible scientist that believes that though..


By masher2 (blog) on 4/19/2008 10:24:20 PM , Rating: 1
> "Even Masher can't argue that it is getting cooler annually..."

It is in fact:

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=10866

Which is expected to continue through most of this year:

http://www.dailytech.com/UN+Global+Temperatures+Wi...

But make no mistake, we're certainly not in a Maunder Minimum at present, or even a Dalton Minimum. If the current cycle remains atypically low for another year...ask me again.

> "Show me the credible scientist that believes that though.. "

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=10630


By Grabo on 4/20/2008 2:55:43 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It is in fact:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=10866

(2007 being the coldest year for a long time)

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/
""The year 2007 tied for second warmest in the period of instrumental data, behind the record warmth of 2005, in the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) analysis. 2007 tied 1998, which had leapt a remarkable 0.2°C above the prior record with the help of the "El Niño of the century". The unusual warmth in 2007 is noteworthy because it occurs at a time when solar irradiance is at a minimum and the equatorial Pacific Ocean is in the cool phase of its natural El Niño-La Niña cycle.""

quote:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=10630

(Several scientists express their opinion that solar cycles and cosmic rays are largerly responsible for any warming trend)

I answered:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7092655....
""At Cern, the giant European physics facility, an experiment called Cloud is being constructed which will research the notion that cosmic rays can stimulate the formation of droplets and clouds. There may be some results within three or four years.

By then, observations suggest that the Sun's output may have started to wane from its "grand maximum".

If it does, and if Henrik Svensmark is right, we should then see cosmic rays increase and global temperatures start to fall; if that happens, he can expect to see a Nobel Prize and thousands of red-faced former IPCC members queuing up to hand back the one they have just received.

But if the Sun wanes and temperatures on our planet continue to rise, as the vast majority of scientists in the field believe, the solar-cosmic ray concept of global warming can be laid to eternal rest. "
"

As for predictions regarding future temps:
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/...


By masher2 (blog) on 4/20/2008 5:27:24 PM , Rating: 1
> "The year 2007 tied for second warmest "

GISS is operated by James Hansen, the shrillest voice for AGW in the scientific community. GISS doesn't release "raw" temperature data, but rather a heavily modified dataset that has had many tens of thousands of corrections, additions, subtractions, "bias adjustments", smoothing, filtering, and other many other alterations. Many of these have the effect of artificially cooling years in the first half of the 20th century, which inflates the warming trend substantially.

The Hadley Center's data is much less suspect, and it does *not* show 2007 anywhere near tied for second warmest. The cleanest sources are the RSS or UAH satellite data which, however, only extend back to the 1970s:

ftp://ftp.ssmi.com/msu/monthly_time_series/rss_mon...
http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/msu/t2lt/tltglh...

Again, both of these show 1998 to be the warmest year on record, and a cooling trend evident since 2001.

> "and thousands of red-faced former IPCC members queuing up..."

This is a common misconception. The IPCC AR reports are written by some 150 people, of which less than 40 are scientists involved in the a

There are some 2500 expert reviewers...but they exert little influence over document text -- in 2007, the IPCC routinely discarded over 60% of the comments from those reviewers. And many of those reviewers flatly disagree with the conclusions of the IPCC (DT has in fact interviewed a few such expert reviewers in past stories).


By phxfreddy on 4/20/2008 1:52:52 AM , Rating: 2
Its was colder than normal winter in Phx Az and ALSO now as here in Brazil is heading into winter much cooler. Noticibly so. Also record cold in Asia. Its definite. We need to immediately start subsidizing carbon usage to avoid massive damaging global cooling.


It's gonna blow!!!!
By Ryanz on 4/18/2008 11:32:05 AM , Rating: 2
Make sure to duck and cover under your desks!




RE: It's gonna blow!!!!