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Big Brother Apple is watching you.
"Oh, cant you see; You belong to me... Every move you make... Ill be watching you."

Apple recently has come under fire for engaging in a campaign of moralistic censorship when it comes to the applications it allows on its mobile devices.  That campaign is perhaps made more ironic by Apple's iconic 1984 commercial, in which it depicted itself as the face of freedom, taking down Big Brother.  Now with a new announcement that it will be watching its device owners' every move, it seems unlikely that the accusation that it has become Big Brother will go away anytime soon.

The news that Apple would be collecting the "precise" "real-time geographic location" of its users' iPhones, iPads and computers was announced this week via the rollout of the company's new privacy policy.

Customers have the "option" to opt in, but Apple is reportedly punishing those who decline to accept the checkbox sort of privacy agreement.  According to the LA Times, "Until they agree, they cannot download anything through the [iTunes] store."

That means no apps, music, or iBooks (from Apple) for those who opt out.

The company says there's no harm in letting it follow your every move.  It says it will largely use the information for internal purpose such as MobileMe, the "Find My iPhone" app, and targeted advertising.  It will also share the info with third-party app-makers who are looking to create location aware apps like social networking services or tweets.

The full agreement reads:

To provide location-based services on Apple products, Apple and our partners and licensees may collect, use, and share precise location data, including the real-time geographic location of your Apple computer or device. This location data is collected anonymously in a form that does not personally identify you and is used by Apple and our partners and licensees to provide and improve location-based products and services. For example, we may share geographic location with application providers when you opt in to their location services.

Some location-based services offered by Apple, such as the MobileMe “Find My iPhone” feature, require your personal information for the feature to work.

Customers do have the option to prevent third-party apps from collecting location data, which can be found under the "Location Services" page under Settings-->General on the iPad/iPhone.  Still, this does not prevent Apple from collecting and using information internally for its own purposes, including advertising.  Given Apple's language it is likely that the company does intend to collect and use this data, even when users disallow apps to access it.

Apple has not revealed how often it will poll its various devices for locations or how long it will store its logs of customers' movements.

By contrast Google's Android handsets do collect some of this information as well, but Google is more clear about exactly when you may be revealing your location.  It writes:
If you use location-enabled products and services, such as Google Maps for mobile, you may be sending us location information. This information may reveal your actual location, such as GPS data, or it may not, such as when you submit a partial address to look at a map of the area.
For now, Apple users must face the music and decide whether they want to keep using their products and let Apple track them.  As the classic Police song "I'll Be Watching You" goes,  "Oh, cant you see; You belong to me... Every move you make... Ill be watching you."

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Made my decision easy...
By mmntech on 6/22/2010 11:19:23 AM , Rating: 5
I'll be ditching my iPhone for an Android-based one as soon as my contract is up. Apple has gone too far this time.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By omnicronx on 6/22/10, Rating: -1
RE: Made my decision easy...
By JasonMick on 6/22/2010 11:32:16 AM , Rating: 5
And of course you are totally ignoring the fact that your carrier knows where you are ALL THE TIME.. If you were really afraid of someone knowing your location, you shouldnt have a phone.

That's not necessarily true. You can be virtually untraceable with a prepaid cell phone bought at a non-local location, bought using Visa gift cards, preferably from a second non-local location. If you kept your calls brief and did not store your contact's names in recognizable form (in case the phone was lost) you'd be highly secure...

That said if you want a smart phone Android has at least provided what seems like clearer info about *when* it will be tracking you.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By crleap on 6/22/10, Rating: 0
RE: Made my decision easy...
By JasonMick on 6/22/2010 11:42:07 AM , Rating: 5
at least, that tactic kinda worked in the wire. real life is a bit different than the movies.

You'd be surprised... unless you make enemies with the U.S. government (which has a vast amount of resources), that can go a long ways towards protecting your location/identity, at least from private/corporate sources. Better get your prepaid units soon, though -- Congress is on the verge of banning them.

Another option is to purchase a VPN and make secure VoIP calls over it. That seems like another wise idea. You could place calls whenever you have access to Wi-Fi, in that case.

Agreed, though, that IRL is far different than in the movies...

Bear in mind too, though, that people daily compromise their locations in all sorts of ways (such as posting Facebook pictures, writing notes/blogs online, etc). Granted, most of these can't always used for as fine-grain tracking as dedicated tracking software built into the iPad/iPhone OS could, though...

RE: Made my decision easy...
By JasonMick on 6/22/2010 12:03:23 PM , Rating: 4
Wow getting rated down for using logic and being critical of Apple. What a sad day. Should I have tried "Jobs is good, Jobs is great?"

RE: Made my decision easy...
By quiksilvr on 6/22/10, Rating: 0
RE: Made my decision easy...
By JasonMick on 6/22/2010 1:20:34 PM , Rating: 5
:) Well thanks for telling me... I was hard at work on a heroic poem-ballad chronicling the exploits of the kingdom of Apple and its beloved monarch Steve Jobs.

Well since I went to all the work I'll post my outline anyways:

WORKING TITLE: Steve-o-wulf

I. Invasion of the viruses
The elder kingdom of Microsoft is under assault by legions of strange virus and worm creatures. Fortunately a young hero, Steve Jobs comes a long with his magical distortion field and block on DailyTech's RSS feed that not only protects it from all known viruses, but even protects him from the very knowledge that they exist.

II. Grendel the porn demon
In this chapter Jobs discovers that it is a foul beast called pornography that is murdering peoples' productivity and morality. Determined to free the world from this creature, he bans it from its lair --the App store -- and ever trusting, the good king leaves the browser wide open, as he knows his loyal customers would never betray his trust and allow pornography back.

III. HTC Android, child of pornography
Steve discovers that the child of pornography HTC, or "porn phone" as he calls it, still is lurking about. And worse yet it's becoming way bigger than his warrior iPhone. Fortunately Jobs has an epic weapon -- patent litigation. By using his ownership of innovative ideas like moving your finger across the screen, Jobs defeats the monster and makes sure it can never be imported into his kingdom again.

IV. The Flash monster
Weary, an aging Jobs fights a lengthy battle against Flash. Even as the beast hurls antitrust investigations against him, Jobs manages to lock his platform for the good of its users.

V. Overheating dilemma
After just being burned by Flash. Jobs is alarmed to discover that many of his tightly packed metal-encased devices are overheating. He is determined to put a rest to this. He comes up with a wonderful solution. He proclaims to customers that they shall not use their devices outdoors in summer weather. His loyal followers obey and safe in their cool new locations defeat this new threat.

VI. Tracking the subjects
Alarmed that he might not be able to enrich his subject's lives with optimal iAds Jobs develops a grand scheme to track them at all times. As his ever loyal subjects/minions are eternally grateful to him for banishing Flash, Pornography, and Android, they comply, knowing that he would never abuse their trust.

VII. Foxconn suicides
The struggle never ends. Jobs discovers that some of his subjects have killed themselves or died of exhaustion after producing his weapons (iPads and iPhones). Fortunately his ally Foxconn has come up with a grand solution -- replace employees with robots and recruit cheaper employees from Vietnam. Jobs shows his compassion, relating the suicides to those that struck his affluent hometown of Palo Alto.

TO BE CONTINUED (surely soon)

...I'm still looking for a publisher. Don't forget I own the movie rights!

By therealnickdanger on 6/22/2010 1:39:23 PM , Rating: 2
Is it your day off, Jason? :)

RE: Made my decision easy...
By napalmjack on 6/22/2010 2:38:57 PM , Rating: 5
Could you replace the article with this? It's really all you need to know.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By W00dmann on 6/22/10, Rating: -1
RE: Made my decision easy...
By JasonMick on 6/22/2010 4:01:56 PM , Rating: 5

That's twice in the same paragraph Apple has explicitly linked the collection of anonymous location information to "location-based products and services". Now I'm no lawyer, but it seems clear to me that they are linking the collection of said information to applications that require said information in order to function, ie. Google maps, MobileMe, etc. Nowhere do I see anything indicating Apple will collect such data for its own nefarious purposes, and to conclude such is one heluva leap - but apparently not for someone of your high journalistic standards. Would you be so kind as to point out where it states that Apple's policy is a) self-serving, b) evil, and/or c) substantially different from all other smartphone providers? After all, research is the hallmark of solid journalism.

Of course I'm evil! I'm writing criticism against /Apple/ which obviously makes me very evil.

However, please don't delude yourself --Apple is almost certainly going to use this info to spew targeted iAds at you. Is that evil? I don't know... you tell me.

Regardless some people would prefer information of their whereabouts not to be stored in some corporate repository, particularly one linked to companies with as poor recent security track records as Apple and AT&T.

Now what were we talking about? Right, my evilness. About that...

Secondly, posting of your "Steve-o-wulf" tirade exposes your true colors. I have never in my life seen a so-called "journalist" filled such gleeful bile and vitriol as you possess toward a company about which you report on a daily basis. You obviously hate Apple, and will spare no opportunity to bias your reporting to the negative no matter what the topic. This is unforgivable as a so-call impartial journalist. I would like you to now reply once and for all and admit that you hate Apple. That way, we will know what we're reading when we observe your regurgitated "news" diatribes.

"Secondly," its called a joke.

I bear Apple no particular ill will. I think they've of late been making a lot of poor corporate decisions but I still think they generally make compelling products (at least in terms of weight, portability, and packaging).

I think its just now getting to the breaking point where that merit is surpassed by the company's disregard of what its customers want. For example I was seriously considering the iPhone 4 as my primary phone before all the app censorship, Flash blocking, and now this tracking junk...

Oh, and you haven't responded to any of my past posts and contradicted anything I have said, not once. Must be tough to be you, Jason. I am laughing at you on a daily basis; thanks for that. By all means, respond and debate my points if you have the cojones. I can't wait to read it.

I'm sorry I missed the job posting where you pay me to respond to your "past posts". My apologies. I will from here on out try to diligently reply.

And I'm glad you're laughing every day. They say laughter is the best medicine. And I'm almost certainly wishing you a long and healthful life, my friend.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By reader1 on 6/22/10, Rating: -1
RE: Made my decision easy...
By YashBudini on 6/22/2010 4:33:00 PM , Rating: 5
"Location tracking is so valuable that we'll wonder how we lived without it. "

You've taken that Hansel and Gretel story far too seriously.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By jhb116 on 6/22/2010 6:03:37 PM , Rating: 2
And once again - you prove you are an Apple Drone.

It is time that we start rebelling against the evil media empire. Why should anyone pay $200+ for a phone then close to $100 for what looks to NOT be unlimited data plans to push advertising to them??? Is Apple or AT&T going to give us a pass on the data "consumed" for that advertising???? As a general rule of thumb - when ever someone pays for services rendered, we should be free of advertising if we so desire. We should be allowed to choose "free" options that include advertsing as part of the package. (Are you listening Hulu?)

Secondly - small local businesses will probably suffer more anyhow, much like Google searchs where businesses can pay to direct certain types of search traffic to their websites. It is likely this same model will be applied in this case as well - assuming it hasn't already - further invalidating your arguement.

Please start using your head for something other than putting that pink "Love Apple" hat we all know you love to wear.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By etshea on 6/25/2010 1:36:43 PM , Rating: 2
iAds is only for in apps advertising. Apple isn't advertising on homescreen or anything. Stick to paid apps if you don't want advertising. The ads are there wether it's Apple or Google.

This is no different then paying for internet service at home or cable TV. You aren't free from ads.

By Bioniccrackmonk on 6/22/2010 9:54:20 PM , Rating: 3
Apple just announced that they've sold 3 million iPads.

Of the 3 items I have purchased from Apple, only 1 has made me happy and that was its stock.

Getting ads for businesses that aren't close to the user's location would be worthless

Any company looking to move into a new market would pay for this kind of information.

Location tracking is so valuable that we'll wonder how we lived without it.

How have you gotten by without it so far? I can definitely say for myself that I have gotten by very well without it.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By jabber on 6/23/2010 12:32:50 PM , Rating: 2
Why would I want ads pinging up on my phone?

Its bad enough getting spam texts let alone spam ads.


RE: Made my decision easy...
By etshea on 6/25/2010 1:41:11 PM , Rating: 2
They aren't going to be popping ads up on your phone. iAds is for apps in the app store to use. Google also runs a similar company for both the iPhone and Android.

If you don't want ads then buy apps instead of downloaing the free ones.

If I bought an app and it ads then I would upset.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By W00dmann on 6/22/10, Rating: -1
RE: Made my decision easy...
By OUits on 6/22/2010 4:48:46 PM , Rating: 5
"Secondly," its called a joke. Are you expecting your readers to know the difference? Are your one-sided, biased articles jokes too? If so, kindly inform so that we will know how to take them. I don't recall seeing other journalists drafting vilifying comments and then passing them off as "jokes". That argument is weak, even for you my friend.

Good gravy dude... When the entire thing is framed squarely as a satire of the book Beowulf I think the onus is on YOU to get that it's a joke. Take a damn high school English class.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By JasonMick on 6/22/2010 5:00:52 PM , Rating: 5
First off, kudos for actually replying to me (for once). Bravo for drafting a reply which does not in any way respond to my concerns. Kind of reminds me of interviews with professional boxers post-match where their answer doesn't reflect the question posed. You have yet to respond to:

Would you be so kind as to point out where it states that Apple's policy is a) self-serving, b) evil, and/or c) substantially different from all other smartphone providers?

You honestly expect Apple to come out and say they're self-serving. Man oh man!

a) Self Serving-- this will lead to greater revenue for Apple. By tracking your location, it can better target iAds at you and raise the price it sells them for.
b) Evil -- evil is highly subjective. You think I'm evil, for example. So no comment.
c) Substantially different... - Define "substantially". I certainly feel its more vaguely worded that Google's Android privacy page. That ambiguity leaves a whole lot of room for the first point.


Are you expecting your readers to know the difference?


Are your one-sided, biased articles jokes too?

Are you /still/ beating your wife?

If so, kindly inform so that we will know how to take them. I don't recall seeing other journalists drafting vilifying comments and then passing them off as "jokes". That argument is weak, even for you my friend.

Look up satire, please.

Are you obliged to reply to me? No you aren't, but your silence is deafening particularly when I am calling you out for shoddy journalism (which I still am btw). Silence implies consent, and you still haven't answered my concerns. You know that, right?

I'm not consenting to anything with you.

...and I'm looking forward to straightforward, unbiased, neutral reporting and responsible journalism. Is that too much to ask for?

Please redirect your eyes to the charmming iPad 3 million sold article courtesy of yours truly on the frontpage. I think you will find that much more to your liking.

In fact, I have a wonderful suggestion for your benefit -- why don't you in the future ONLY read the articles that you think sound like positive news about Apple. That way you can stay happy and blissfully unaware.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By themaster08 on 6/22/2010 5:22:46 PM , Rating: 3
In fact, I have a wonderful suggestion for your benefit -- why don't you in the future ONLY read the articles that you think sound like positive news about Apple. That way you can stay happy and blissfully unaware.
It works for reader1!

RE: Made my decision easy...
By W00dmann on 6/22/10, Rating: -1
RE: Made my decision easy...
By Kim Leo on 6/23/2010 9:42:39 AM , Rating: 2
I know this is directed at Jason, but you'r point is so false I felt I had to write something!

I like the response Jason did with the; Do you \still\ beat your wife?.
If you didn't notice that was the kind of question you were asking him, a very leading Fox news'esque question.

My guess is that you're from America, and the reason I'm guessing this is because you think that being journalism always needs to be completely in the middle of two opposing opinions. Like let's say Fox news was covering the holocaust, your view of journalism would be for them to say, well a lot of people say that killing people based on their belief is evil, but some Nazis say it's not, so because we are soo objective, we can't stand to either side of it.. Maybe that is objective but I wouldn't want "journalism" to look like that, in fact Journalists are suppose to go a little to the opposite side so they can ask tougher questions, but the fact is in America you have an incredibly weak press, it's laughable at times when it's not sad, it's done to keep "Access".

But all this talk about Journalism, I went up and it does indeed say blog, not 100% objective news, not Fox news Fair and Balanced(which is ironic when you think about it).

And this low opinion you have of readers in here is disturbing, so we aren't suppose to understand the difference between reality and the Satire story Jason wrote? which does have roots in the truth.

I do enjoy using my iPhone but I'd swap over to an Android in a heartbeat if I thought it was any better.

I highly doubt that, my guess is this is your 3.rd Iphone and you're waiting for your fourth currently in waiting order, for a while now you've been able to get better phones in form of Android phones, with multitasking, better screens, and so on. But here's what I don't want to do, upgrade my phone every damn time there's something slightly better, that seems to be the iDrones Mantra but not mine, before my current HTC desire I had a Nokia E51, and it will be a long ass time before I upgrade again, that's why it's so sad to see how fanboys like you line up every single time there's a small new upgrade, In around 2006 I bought the Nokia E60, and wasn't it for a small incident including coffee (*sigh*) I would have used that phone up until the day I decided I wanted to change to HTC Desire, because the E60 have all the essential functions, 3G, USB modem function, Wifi, nice quality screen, and the basic abilities of a smart phone(It even had multitasking lol). I would never buy a model of Nokia just to upgrade the next year, and then upgrading next year again! it's been a new phone every year 3 years now, and guess what, next year you'll get the Iphone 4G and 2012 they'll probably try and sell you the Iphone 4Gs, I don't know about you but I see a very sad pattern starting to show where a school like fad mentality is making people line up for the newest small improvement Apple is going to sell them, why anyone would defend this business practice is beyond me.

So please don't try and call out a blogger who gives you a story you don't like because it's not praising the product you are defending like a true fanboy.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By Klober on 6/23/2010 2:17:58 PM , Rating: 2
So W00dmann, to conclude...

You believe that "Silence implies consent".

You have not replied to the question "Are you /still/ beating your wife?".

Poor woman. :(

RE: Made my decision easy...
By thurston on 6/22/2010 6:14:25 PM , Rating: 2
Are you /still/ beating your wife?

That's funny, but I bet w00d will not get it.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By afkrotch on 6/23/2010 3:06:35 AM , Rating: 2
"To provide location-based services on Apple products..."

Is too vague. Guess what they plan to "provide" me? Advertisement spam based on my location.

At least Google tells me if I use a location-based service, I'll be sending them data. If I don't use it, they won't pull any of my data. They aren't going to force some location-based "service" on me.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By Fracture on 6/22/2010 3:52:11 PM , Rating: 5
Give yourself a 12 (twice as good as a 6) and get me tickets for this.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By mostyle on 6/22/2010 5:15:49 PM , Rating: 2
Give yourself a 12 (twice as good as a 6) and get me tickets for this.

Whew, thank you. After reader1's post I actually thought that some people were taking this post seriously..

A little prose sprinkled with sarcasm is a healthy thing! Now lets factor in a reference to Little Red Riding Hood in a red latex outfit... Yummy!

To each their own I guess...

Steve-o-wulf... Still laughing at this.. Classic!


RE: Made my decision easy...
By cokbun on 6/23/2010 12:22:44 AM , Rating: 3
hey jason, lets make it a flash animated series :D i do animations and stuffs ( i suck at dubbing tho, cause english is not my native language ) , check out my oil spill one:

RE: Made my decision easy...
By mostyle on 6/23/2010 6:36:07 AM , Rating: 2
That was funny, bud..

RE: Made my decision easy...
By cokbun on 6/23/2010 7:16:34 AM , Rating: 2
thank you ,sir :D

RE: Made my decision easy...
By Silver2k7 on 6/23/2010 7:27:04 AM , Rating: 2
too much caffeine there Jason :-) ?

RE: Made my decision easy...
By Smilin on 6/22/2010 1:31:34 PM , Rating: 5
Your thoughtcrime is clear prole. Crimestop speedwise bellyfeel Jobs is doubleplusgood or joycamp for you.

We have always been at war with Microsoft.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By DontAskMe on 6/22/2010 1:58:58 PM , Rating: 2
Double plusgood

RE: Made my decision easy...
By Hieyeck on 6/22/2010 1:52:00 PM , Rating: 3
Completely off topic:

Why does Mick make so much more sense in comment threads than articles? Maybe posting articles should have a preview button instead...

RE: Made my decision easy...
By Smilin on 6/22/2010 4:28:33 PM , Rating: 3
He's trolling in the articles. It's his job to get pagehits.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By omnicronx on 6/22/2010 11:42:20 AM , Rating: 5
We are not really talking about prepaid phones though, you essentially need a data package for this to be relevant, and thus the majority affected have a cell phone plan, signed up with their name.
That said if you want a smart phone Android has at least provided what seems like clearer info about *when* it will be tracking you.
Without a doubt, but what you are seeing is mainly at the third party level. Just as with your desktop, if you are signed into Google and search something, do you really think certain info is not being tracked?

I'm not here to agree with Apple, I think its a stupid move to tell users they must accept or not be allowed to use iTunes. I just think people are overeating, and it seems like this is going to be something the tech community worries about, but the average consumer won't even notice (or care).

RE: Made my decision easy...
By SkullOne on 6/22/2010 11:40:57 AM , Rating: 5
That's not the point though. Yes, you're probably tracked somewhat no matter what. The problem here is Apple PUNISHES you if you opt out of the tracking.

Turning off location awareness in Android doesn't cripple the Android Market and when you turn location awareness back on you get a pop-up that straight up says some of the data you're now transmitting may be collected but contains no personal identification information.

The user should have the option to opt in or out and not be penalized.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By omnicronx on 6/22/10, Rating: -1
RE: Made my decision easy...
By reader1 on 6/22/10, Rating: -1
RE: Made my decision easy...
By ClownPuncher on 6/22/2010 2:50:08 PM , Rating: 3
If you help me paint my fence, I will let you watch me sleep.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By SkullOne on 6/22/2010 4:17:51 PM , Rating: 4
Once again you bend the truth to try to make Apple look good.

We all know that search engines and cell phones can and most likely send back data that is stored. That's not the point.

The problem here is that Apple is FORCING their users to accept a completely bullsh*t EULA by crippling iTunes if you do not accept it. Apple should not be playing big brother by tracking that data without permission. If only 100 people purchase iPhone how many would actually read the EULA and understand the underlying bullsh*t? I'd say two at the most.

To me that means Apple knows that the sheep who follow them blindly, like you reader1, will let them do anything they want now and in the future.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By reader1 on 6/22/10, Rating: -1
RE: Made my decision easy...
By SkullOne on 6/22/2010 4:50:17 PM , Rating: 3
Holy crap...

Remove your lips from Apple's ass long enough to read the following:

This has nothing to do with location awareness. It has everything to do with iTunes being crippled until you accept the EULA which grants them permission to track you at any time.

The part about tracking should NOT be in the EULA. Every time you enable your GPS or open Maps you should get a pop-up that says "doing this may send non-identifiable data to Apple. Click OK to continue or cancel to exit". That way it is ALWAYS the users choice to have that data sent.

See it's that simple.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By LyCannon on 6/22/2010 8:49:21 PM , Rating: 3
Actually, I believe that the majority of the customers do care. The issue is that they are not informed.

If Apple put up a big sign in front of their iPad section saying "You must provide us with your location at all times so that we may track you for the purposes of displaying targeted ads and for the sale of that location information to third parties. If you do not provide us with this information, you cannot download any additional applications on these devices"

See how many iPads they sell in the next 80 days.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By HotFoot on 6/22/2010 6:39:45 PM , Rating: 2
I think the whole web-privacy issue is very interesting. On the one hand, I do use Google for mail, searches and the online applications. I understand they have automated systems to sniff through what I would normally consider private activities in order to direct advertising, or perhaps for product development. Understanding that they, in a limited way, are watching, just means to me that I'm not truly doing completely private things. I accept that by continuing to use their services, which Google provides for free on the terms that they get to use directed advertising on me.

Alright, well that's all fine and dandy because if I really didn't want Google to be able to collect data on me, I would avoid, as much as possible, using any of Google's applications.

But then it comes to Apple. In Canada, there is a law that a company or government agency cannot require that you provide information that that agency does not need in order to provide you with service. They cannot deny you service on the basis of you not wishing to divulge information that is not required for the transaction. If geo-location tracking is required for some of Apple's services, then yes you'd have to agree to that information being collected for the sake of the service. However, there are many, MANY services we have been able to get through the iTunes store that have absolutely nothing to do with geo-location, nor the collection of that information in some database. If Apple wishes to track users for the sake of directed advertising, then fine - but the customer should be able to opt in or out of such a scheme, and a smart customer should get something back for it - something like free apps or a reduced rate on their data plan.

Don't like it? Then don't buy the product. Easy enough. A question I have is does this new EULA affect existing customers, or only new ones (which may be able to return the product for a refund)?

RE: Made my decision easy...
By MGSsancho on 6/22/10, Rating: 0
RE: Made my decision easy...
By YashBudini on 6/22/2010 4:35:08 PM , Rating: 1
"With the Patriot Act you are guaranteed to not have any freedoms in this country regardless if you are a citizen. "

I saw you say that. You are now a contestant for a free one way trip to Cuba, all expense paid.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By Reclaimer77 on 6/22/10, Rating: -1
RE: Made my decision easy...
By gamerk2 on 6/22/2010 4:53:08 PM , Rating: 2
Even terrorists get a trial by jury now apparently in a court of law.

Not if one party in particular had their way; they prefer closed door judicial process decided by the same people who carried out the arrest in the first place.

Fact is, the "Patriot Act" allows government to name anybody they want a terrorist, strip their rights, and hold them without trial for at least a decade. I swear, if I were President, for all the BS he's spewed over the years, I'd arrest Glen Beck on the spot and see how long before people realise how the law can be easily abused to crush dissent. Just because the law hasn't been used that way doesn't mean it won't. It gives the ability to, which is far too much to allow.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By YashBudini on 6/22/10, Rating: 0
RE: Made my decision easy...
By Reclaimer77 on 6/22/2010 7:08:27 PM , Rating: 2
Well according to him the government messes up everything else to the extreme but when it comes to stuff like this they get it right 100% of the time.

I guess the fact that it's the government role to provide "that stuff" has no bearing on this? You know, national security, defense, that whole thing?

Get this right. I'm NOT an Anarchists!! I want the government to get back within it's Constitutional boundaries, not to have NO government. Damnit dude...

RE: Made my decision easy...
By Reclaimer77 on 6/22/2010 7:05:22 PM , Rating: 2
Fact is, the "Patriot Act" allows government to name anybody they want a terrorist, strip their rights, and hold them without trial for at least a decade.

Ok, has that happened? I'm not arguing that the Patriot Act COULD NOT be misused. But it's already been reviewed, in detail, by partisan AND bi-partisan committees. Not a single abuse, or even formal complaint of abuse, has been found.

Not if one party in particular had their way; they prefer closed door judicial process decided by the same people who carried out the arrest in the first place.

You know enemy combatants aren't supposed to be "arrested", and nowhere does it say they should have the same rights as private citizens. Enemy soldiers don't get a right of trial or the right to face their accuser. These are NOT American citizens, hello? The Constitution clearly does not apply to them.

Prosecuting terrorists, or any other enemy combatants, in a court of American law is a bloody disgrace and opens up a virtual Pandora's Box of other problems.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By Darkefire on 6/22/2010 11:00:48 PM , Rating: 3
How exactly would there be any formal complaints of abuses involving the Patriot Act when the very same act allows them to hold any complainees indefinitely and deny them the right to a speedy public trial or a lawyer? I'm reminded of the scene from "The Matrix" where Neo's mouth melts shut when he asks for a phone call.

And how are we supposed to take the concept of enemy combatants seriously when the so-called war that they're participating in was declared with no specific target in mind and without the benefit of any debate or even a definition of victory? Why don't we treat people arrested for marijuana possession as "enemy combatants"? After all, I don't remember any ceasefire being called in the War on Drugs.

The people being detained under suspicion of terrorism should be tried for any crimes they committed in the jurisdictions or countries where they took place, or they should be released. One of the hallmarks of every proper justice system on Earth is the requirement of evidence to successfully prosecute people; simply believing a person might be involved in some heinous act is insufficient to allow you to hold them indefinitely, you have to either produce the proper proof and begin proceedings in a reasonable amount of time or you have to let them go. You're right, we shouldn't necessarily be trying them in a court of American law, but if we can't try them why are we allowed to imprison them?

RE: Made my decision easy...
By ClownPuncher on 6/23/2010 3:16:40 PM , Rating: 4
A fetus is not an American citizen either, yet you all get mad when I eat them.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By spread on 6/23/2010 1:57:55 AM , Rating: 2
There's no way someone can be this dedicated to Apple. Reader1 must have the hots for Jobs. I'm sure he'll come by and invade your privacy sometime... if you know what I mean.

You already told us you like it.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By reader1 on 6/22/10, Rating: -1
RE: Made my decision easy...
By hughlle on 6/22/2010 11:56:05 AM , Rating: 5
ever thought it's about the principal? if apple said would you like us to track you, and there are no negative implications of saying no, then there is no issue, them trying to semi-brick your phone because you won't, well they can fiddle with themselves while awaiting my non-existent order

RE: Made my decision easy...
By Bateluer on 6/22/2010 11:56:28 PM , Rating: 4
You can turn off Google's tracking/Latitude without it impacting the phones applications, music, or other functionality.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By reader1 on 6/22/10, Rating: -1
RE: Made my decision easy...
By JasonMick on 6/22/2010 11:53:07 AM , Rating: 5
The advantages of location tracking far outweigh the disadvantages.

Really? Thanks for clearing that up for us. Here we were all confused, thinking this old fashioned privacy thing was a good worthwhile...

RE: Made my decision easy...
By reader1 on 6/22/10, Rating: -1
RE: Made my decision easy...
By omnicronx on 6/22/2010 12:11:41 PM , Rating: 5
Give one specific example of how this will harm people. If this is so horrible, that should be easy for you.
I have one..
companies will be able to detect when people are driving, and lock the device. They'll need to determine if you're a driver or passenger, but that's trivial.
Thanks for answering you own question..

RE: Made my decision easy...
By reader1 on 6/22/10, Rating: -1
RE: Made my decision easy...
By omnicronx on 6/22/2010 12:35:00 PM , Rating: 3
reventing someone from talking or texting while driving doesn't harm them, it helps them
My guess is that a few Toyota drivers (who have had their cars accelerate uncontrollably) would tend to disagree ;)

Essentially anonymously tracking does not pose a threat to a user, doing things such as what you are proposing is a HUGE breach of privacy and completely intolerable in my books.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By reader1 on 6/22/10, Rating: -1
RE: Made my decision easy...
By themaster08 on 6/22/2010 12:52:13 PM , Rating: 5
Fuck privacy?

Fuck you!

RE: Made my decision easy...
By SkullOne on 6/22/2010 4:26:28 PM , Rating: 2
Yet again you take information and bend it so that it benefit's your warped view of the world. Reality Distortion Field indeed. Schmidt's quote was taken out of context by many people.

Schmidt is right when you actually understand what he was talking about. If you don't want it put on the Internet or Youtube because it could cause you trouble if somebody saw it then DON'T DO IT! There's nothing wrong with posting video of you and a friend face planting because you're skateboarding. However, posting a video of you chipping teeth because your keg stand failed...while funny you should probably keep that to yourself.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By yomamafor1 on 6/22/2010 1:02:05 PM , Rating: 1
You DO know that location tracking service is not the same as "detecting whether you're driving or not". AGPS does not have the capability of determining your current speed and exact location.

The only thing AGPS can determine is your approximate location.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By weskurtz0081 on 6/22/2010 1:19:26 PM , Rating: 2
I am not sure if AGPS is something different from GPS (Global Positioning System), but you are 100% incorrect. GPS DOES have the ability to determine speed. If you travel from location A to location B in 5 seconds, well then, since you know the distance traveled between the two, it would be pretty easy to determine speed. GPS most certainly has that capability.

As far as location, GPS is pretty damn accurate. If by approximate location you mean within 10 feet, then you would be correct. That's seems pretty damn precise to me.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By futrtrubl on 6/22/2010 3:35:47 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, yomamafor1 is confused or mistaken. AGPS is Assisted GPS, it allows for more reliable GPS, faster start-up and acquiring of satellites and in some cases BETTER accuracy.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By Solandri on 6/22/2010 4:46:13 PM , Rating: 3
AGPS is Assisted GPS. All that means is instead of doing the GPS number crunching on the phone's wimpy CPU, the phone transmits the GPS signal data to the cell phone tower, the tower uses a much faster CPU to do the number crunching, and transmits the coordinates back to the phone for display.

It's the initial satellite acquisition and position fix which takes the most number crunching. After that, most phones have enough processing power to do position updates on their own.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By HotFoot on 6/22/2010 6:49:45 PM , Rating: 2
My understanding of AGPS was that your mobile device would use it's internet connection as a starting point for a very rough location. Knowing this, it can look to an online database to see which GPS satellites are within view. This saves time getting the first fix on an accurate location. I don't think the actual math for figuring location based on GPS signals is too hard for these 600+ MHz processors.

In that way, the AGPS device can be used without an internet connection, and it will be just as accurate. The only downside is that it will take a bit longer to get the initial location fix. I use my phone in this mode and it really doesn't take too long, anyway.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By Quadrillity on 6/22/2010 12:12:56 PM , Rating: 1
Ok, you trickster you! I am finally convinced that you are in some way affiliated to this website. No-one is that retarded... I believe 100% that you are here just to bring more posts and hit counts to this site.

Who are you, really? The gig is up pal.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By gralex on 6/22/2010 1:08:35 PM , Rating: 2
A wannabe Andy Kaufman!:D

Cringe humor gone wrong...

RE: Made my decision easy...
By transamdude95 on 6/22/2010 12:25:10 PM , Rating: 3
I've got a pill for you to take, too.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By daveinternets on 6/22/2010 12:58:12 PM , Rating: 2
For example, companies will be able to detect when people are driving, and lock the device. They'll need to determine if you're a driver or passenger, but that's trivial.

Do not feed the troll.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By rocky12345 on 6/22/2010 11:03:41 PM , Rating: 3

reader1 it's called an invasion of privacy a.s.s wipe. If you do not mind your privacy invaded then go ahead & buy into this crap but the rest of us don't want it. I am also sure those that bought all those Apple devices if they knew what was in store for them by Apple doing this would have gone some where else for their devices.

Anyone that does not mind their privacy being invaded is a fool. Also you stated before this be good to get info on locations near to you that is some what true but at what expense to the user yep comes to the privacy thing again.

They do not need to track your every movement it is none of their business to know where the frack I shop or movies I go see that is for me to know not them. So take your f.u.c.k privacy attitude & frack off already you are in the wrong place to argue this maybe go to an Apple forum they like people like you there.

oh & who pays for this all these iAds I mean it comes in as data so who the hell pays for it. If a contract gives you 2GB a month & half of it is ate up by annoying iAD's then is Apple going to pay for that data used most likely not.

oh yea you used they will be able to lock devices while people are driving excuse me but again frack you butt head if I want my device running on my seat or in my pocket that is my choice not theirs OMG dude you are so frackin clueless. The more you let Apple ram it up your butt the more Apple figures it is ok to go farther. Tis is all fine & dandy if you like being some ones butt toy but for the rest of us that do not just stop being so frackin stupid. I said years ago Apple will not be happy until they know our every move & can control our daily actions. Well it seems 5 years ago when I said that I was right. This is just the beginning do not think it stops here for what they have in store for you their loyal customers. They will push it farther & farther.

Even though I do not own any Apple products their actions will end up making my life harder because the more they get away with the more other companies will start doing the same crap & then that does directly interfere with my life & that is in part because of butt holes like you falling into line for Apple & taking it up the butt again & again.
Grow a brain already OMG how can someone be so stupid.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By Reclaimer77 on 6/22/10, Rating: -1
RE: Made my decision easy...
By YashBudini on 6/23/2010 11:51:46 PM , Rating: 2
Look at this way, without the inheritance tax we would have a lot more Paris Hiltons.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By SkullOne on 6/22/2010 11:58:20 AM , Rating: 2
I'd love to know why you think it is a good thing. Please enlighten those of us who value our privacy. That and I could use a good laugh.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By themaster08 on 6/22/2010 12:18:53 PM , Rating: 5
Because it's Apple, and whatever Apple does must be good for society.

Reader1 is a grade A asshat that is completely out of touch with reality.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By TSS on 6/22/2010 1:22:19 PM , Rating: 4
I doubt he's that stupid. nigh every single comment for the last 3 months has been a -1. Even statistically speaking he can't get all the awnsers wrong.

We do need some fresh trolls around here. Pirks is laying low these days and reader1 just isn't original anymore.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By reader1 on 6/22/10, Rating: -1
RE: Made my decision easy...
By transamdude95 on 6/22/2010 12:43:24 PM , Rating: 5
If you really feel that way, how about you provide us with your name, address, phone #, SSN, DoB, height, weight, hobbies, current location, blood sample, bank account numbers...

RE: Made my decision easy...
By themaster08 on 6/22/2010 1:05:54 PM , Rating: 5
That's done it for me. I've vented my frustrations. It's time we all got together and just boycott replying to reader1.

Come on guys, let's do it!

RE: Made my decision easy...
By themaster08 on 6/22/2010 1:09:34 PM , Rating: 3
And to add to that, I say if anyone replies to reader1 in the future we rate their post to -1 as well.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By batjohn on 6/22/2010 12:46:05 PM , Rating: 5
by reader1 on June 22, 2010 at 12:38 PM Privacy is detrimental to society.

If you believe that then why haven't you ever answered all the people who ask who you are?

RE: Made my decision easy...
By themaster08 on 6/22/2010 12:48:25 PM , Rating: 3
Could you be any more ridiculous?!

Shut the fuck up you absolute out of touch idiot!

RE: Made my decision easy...
By themaster08 on 6/22/2010 12:50:50 PM , Rating: 5
Actually, please post you bank details if you feel so negatively about privacy.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By Reclaimer77 on 6/22/2010 3:12:19 PM , Rating: 3
Actually, please post you bank details if you feel so negatively about privacy.

You mean his parents details right? Because reader has as much chance of being a productive member of society as the proverbial snowball in Hell.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By kfonda on 6/22/2010 1:32:10 PM , Rating: 1
That should be 'society is detrimental to privacy'

RE: Made my decision easy...
By Helbore on 6/22/2010 2:34:56 PM , Rating: 1
You really are one of a kind, aren't you.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By spread on 6/23/10, Rating: 0
RE: Made my decision easy...
By themaster08 on 6/22/2010 12:13:53 PM , Rating: 1
I'm sure you'd have the same opinion if this was any other company besides Apple.


RE: Made my decision easy...
By Morridin19 on 6/22/2010 11:55:46 AM , Rating: 2
Well till my contract expires I guess I'm Jail-breaking my Iphone... Apple is being completely retarded. I hope they crash and burn with all their stupidity.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By Earthmonger on 6/22/2010 1:30:35 PM , Rating: 2
How is this NOT a violation of national security? Monitoring who is and isn't present in government facilities, who is within range of who, etc.

I really doubt Apple will be allowed to go ahead with this. They gonna punish Senators, Congressmen, the CIA, FBI, the President, his french-fry cook, numerous high-dollar prostitutes, foreign dignitaries, etc, if they opt out? I don't think so.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By djc208 on 6/22/2010 2:17:05 PM , Rating: 2
A lot of the places you reference wouldn't allow the iPhone anyway. They either do not allow camera phones or do not allow phones at all for security reasons.

You're not even allowed to leave a camera phone in your car if it's parked within the facility I work at.

That's one reason RIM still has so much market share, they offer better security and non-camera smart phones, and are one of the only smart phone companies to do so.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By BruceLeet on 6/22/2010 3:09:16 PM , Rating: 2
This new "Google Music" that was reported earlier this month just has to do the opposite of what Apple is doing and it should take off slowly but surely.

RE: Made my decision easy...
By gorehound on 6/22/2010 9:38:08 PM , Rating: 2
why do you people support ipads anyways.
you do not even own the books you have but i own mine.over 1200 paperbacks,vintage pulps, and 1st edition hardcovers.

i would not support this company.they have become big brother

By amanojaku on 6/22/2010 11:21:27 AM , Rating: 5
Basically, your "options" are "lube" or "no lube".

RE: So...
By yomamafor1 on 6/22/2010 12:15:09 PM , Rating: 2
Definitely a 6

RE: So...
By Quadrillity on 6/22/2010 12:19:49 PM , Rating: 1

RE: So...
By inperfectdarkness on 6/22/2010 1:37:19 PM , Rating: 3
i can see the onion news network headline now:

"apple to no longer 'spit on the hole' for its customers"

RE: So...
By amanojaku on 6/22/2010 2:07:36 PM , Rating: 3
No lube on the bore
When drilling to the core
You're an Apple whore
Now take some more!!!

RE: So...
By Farfignewton on 6/22/2010 9:50:20 PM , Rating: 2
Basically, your "options" are "lube" or "no lube".

Steve has decided people do not want lube. The new options are "no lube" or "sand".

Free capitalist market
By HostileEffect on 6/22/2010 11:28:35 AM , Rating: 2
Oh Apple, let it be that you destroy yourself. If someone buys an Iphone, Apple has no business to track that phone, they sold it. If they demand to track anyone who uses Itunes, well, no one has to use Itunes, its a service.

RE: Free capitalist market
By Ratinator on 6/22/2010 12:17:46 PM , Rating: 2
Yet I can use iTunes on my PC which is not location aware (for the most part). That is a complete contradiction on Apple's part.

RE: Free capitalist market
By theapparition on 6/22/2010 1:28:43 PM , Rating: 2
On brand new PC's, go to some websites and they say "Find local deals in <your city>"

Coincidence? No, the website is using your computer's IP to determine you approximate location. So even then, your going to get targeted advertising.

Not to mention that iTunes requires a CC and info on household and first born to even browse the store.

RE: Free capitalist market
By Proxes on 6/22/2010 2:04:53 PM , Rating: 2
If I did that right now I'd get places in NJ and not the state I'm in right now which is KS.

Funny corporate networks.

RE: Free capitalist market
By bfdd on 6/22/2010 4:39:46 PM , Rating: 2
Mine is always like "MEET NEW SINGLES IN OTTAWA!" and I'm like "man Ottawa is such a long flight from Los Angeles"

LOL they contradict themselves
By kattanna on 6/22/2010 11:28:31 AM , Rating: 5
This location data is collected anonymously in a form that does not personally identify you

Some location-based services offered by Apple, such as the MobileMe “Find My iPhone” feature, require your personal information for the feature to work

LOL within the agreement itself they contradict themselves.

the really sad part is that very few will do whats needed to stop such things, and thats vote with their wallet and move to another service.

plus doesnt this open up apple to some serious privacy breaches as they can now real-time track where people are, and what happens when a stalker can get such info.

what about our military leaders? those we now know have ipads? their every movement will be tracked and possibly given out to 3rd parties.

By sprockkets on 6/22/2010 4:48:50 PM , Rating: 2
LOL within the agreement itself they contradict themselves.

Kinda hard to find your phone among millions if it doesn't have some way to be personally identifiable. That's not a contradiction; its the very nature of how MobileMe works. For that matter, MobileMe is opt in and cost money to use, so it isn't something that's required.

Second, while you have to accept the TOS, the whole collecting of data is all an "opt in" system. There is a difference in accepting the whole TOS and then having to still opt in to share data.

There isn't anything new here. You always had to enable these features on apple devices so as to share this information, even on the itouch. Google's app needed permission always to determine your location, and so did other apps.

Typical DailyTech hyperbole
By thornburg on 6/22/2010 11:51:34 AM , Rating: 3
I know everyone here hates Apple, but this "article" takes on quote and over-interprets it.

You can agree to the new TOS (getting access to the iTunes and App stores), and then visit to opt out of the tracking.

RE: Typical DailyTech hyperbole
By Nacho on 6/22/2010 6:34:11 PM , Rating: 4
So: In order to use the system you must first opt in, then go to a completely different place and opt out?

And here I thought Apple was a company that made things easy to use...

Oh noes!11
By MrBlastman on 6/22/2010 11:18:23 AM , Rating: 4
Wait, why am I screaming and scared?

*catches breath*

"It's okay, Blastman, you don't use Apple products and don't have to worry."

Oh, wait... *lightbulb goes off* You're right, self, I don't!

*hugs self*

I'm Apple free. You can't track me now, Steve! Oh, and fock you while I'm at it.

Once again, Apple pisses on their customers. I suppose their products are like bottled water that advertises to be ultra fresh, ultra clean and... ultra pure. Wait! Ultra pure? What about all the fish that piss in that water?


RE: Oh noes!11
By raumkrieger on 6/22/2010 2:15:09 PM , Rating: 2
Apple free since birth, apple free until death.

You won't catch me being an iSheeple.

By vortex222 on 6/22/2010 11:26:31 AM , Rating: 4

how sad. i guess they need an easier way to keep tabs on that many gerbils.

Communist leadership?
By masamasa on 6/22/10, Rating: 0
RE: Communist leadership?
By Ratinator on 6/22/2010 12:20:44 PM , Rating: 2
While I agree with you on the communist comments, iTunes is not nearly the worst. And really, it isn't that difficult to put a song on a touch. Drop song in playlist and sync playlist to your iPod. Done. Windows Media player is far worse than iTunes

Disclaimer: Don't construe this as Apple fanboyism......i hate the bastards.

RE: Communist leadership?
By magneticfield on 6/23/2010 5:10:19 AM , Rating: 2
It's kinda sad you have to put a disclaimer for this.

Common sense is not common anymore.

That's nice of Apple
By MegaHustler on 6/22/2010 12:26:07 PM , Rating: 4
I was sort of considering getting an iPhone, but this definitely rules it out. Thanks for saving me quite a bit of money, Apple!

Watch your step
By Danger3000 on 6/22/2010 12:58:12 PM , Rating: 2
Your full location history is only a subpoena away, IPhone users.

RE: Watch your step
By Proxes on 6/22/2010 2:08:56 PM , Rating: 2
And people wonder why I don't take my phone with me everywhere I go! HA!

"This whole thing is out of control"
By gralex on 6/22/2010 1:23:58 PM , Rating: 2
"Apple, you guys were the rebels man, the underdogs. People believed in you. But now, are you becoming The Man? Remember back in 1984, you had those awesome ads about overthrowing Big Brother? Look in the mirror, man!”

Jon Stewart

("...while Comandante Gates is ridding the world of mosquitoes")

By Proxes on 6/22/2010 2:05:52 PM , Rating: 2
For many years now, that face has been Steve Jobs in my mind.

someone explain to me
By DrApop on 6/22/2010 2:43:14 PM , Rating: 2
why it is that apps for the iphone are only available through the apple iphone/touch store? How can this be allowed....isn't this monopolistic?

Don't own a smartphone and don't care to. But regardless if it is webos, apple, android.....I just don't understand how any of these companies can control what you put on your phone and/or who can sell you something to put on your phone.

RE: someone explain to me
By Targon on 6/22/2010 11:45:45 PM , Rating: 2
For what it is worth, the Palm Pre and Pixi devices are not locked to installing any app you want. You have several methods of installing homebrew apps at this point, including Preware and WebOS Quick Install.

So, Palm still has the right attitude on letting you control the device you own.

By OCDude on 6/22/2010 12:13:31 PM , Rating: 3
This has to be for there new iAd service so that they can push localized ads to people. That's the only sane reason I can think of for this.

I'm a little confused by the outrage
By Reasonforu on 6/22/2010 4:14:33 PM , Rating: 1
The quoted portion of Apple's privacy policy seems to serve as a notice to users that location-based services collect (gasp) location data. Isn't this obvious? Why are people upset about this? Furthermore, Apple does provide a new System preference pane to allow people to pick and choose which (3rd party?) apps are able to access location data. I'm not sure if this is only 3rd party apps as the built-in Maps application seems to be listed here (I don't own an iOS 4 device so I can't check myself).

A lot of comments seem to be focusing on this statement in the article:

Still, this does not prevent Apple from collecting and using information internally for its own purposes, including advertising. Given Apple's language it is likely that the company does intend to collect and use this data, even when users disallow apps to access it.

It seems a bit disingenuous to me that the author of this article is inserting their own interpretation of the policy and Apple's motives behind it without providing a counter-opinion. I'm of course assuming that this was intended to be a "news" article versus an "opinion" piece.

As an aside, Apple does provide a means to opt-out of iAds analytics data collection (see: I do not know whether or not this includes the collection of location data for the use of iAds.

By Targon on 6/22/2010 11:49:14 PM , Rating: 2
You seem to have missed the problem here. If you decide not to "opt in", they disable one of the the primary uses of the device you have purchased, to be able to download music to the device.

What a bunch of hysterical ninnies
By Tony Swash on 6/22/10, Rating: 0
RE: What a bunch of hysterical ninnies
By Targon on 6/22/2010 11:55:25 PM , Rating: 3
People buy the iPhone in part since it is mostly an iPod Touch, and will let you listen to music you download via the iTunes store. If opting out of the data share prevents you from downloading music from the store, then they are stopping you from making proper use of your device unless you agree to their strong-arm tactics.

I don't care about location services being shared with apps that need to know your location, but if I tell Apple that I don't want to give them that information willingly, they should not have the right to disable full use of the device I paid money for. By forcing people to agree, or have the use of the product crippled, they seem to be in violation of a number of laws, including extortion. Will they buy back all the iPhones of people who decide not to agree, since functionality gets removed?

i guess apple users..
By cokbun on 6/23/2010 12:28:28 AM , Rating: 3
can't go to their gay club anymore

Just one more reason...
By Motoman on 6/22/2010 11:17:01 AM , Rating: 2
...why it's obvious that only the stupidest of the stupid purchase Apple products.

By vapore0n on 6/22/2010 11:32:10 AM , Rating: 2
Now this is ridiculous. Be our sheep, or you cant use the product you just bought? Thats bs.

I expect privacy advocates to be at their door by noon today.
I expect apple to call in the swat team on them too.

I think the iSheep have given Apple too much power.

No big deal...
By XZerg on 6/22/2010 11:34:22 AM , Rating: 2
The Apple brain washed mania have no issue with what their Lord plans.

By SuckRaven on 6/22/2010 11:48:31 AM , Rating: 2
@ kattanna

No have it all backwards...the privacy breaches will only be carried out by Apple's lapdog Gestapo, AT&T.

After all apple only makes the hardware. Without electrons and the craptastic AT&T network to power the whole thing, all Apple has is a paperweight.

I want...
By damianrobertjones on 6/22/2010 11:53:46 AM , Rating: 2

Apple, however, can do what they want to do and no matter what you or we say, thats the way it is.

If you want to escape their stupidity, then purchase another device. I use a simple HTC HD2 and am pretty much do what i want, sync what i want and replace the damn battery.

I want freedom and that's what i have. If I REALLY wanted freedom, I'd have no phone :)

By SaltBoy on 6/22/2010 12:00:43 PM , Rating: 2
That's the only real good reason for this...

I'm glad that
By DuctTapeAvenger on 6/22/2010 12:18:00 PM , Rating: 2
Apple knows exactly where my bathroom is.

Bait and Switch!
By transamdude95 on 6/22/2010 12:31:16 PM , Rating: 2
Now with signed multi-year contracts to make sure your anus is completely raw.

What does it matter?
By mindless1 on 6/22/2010 12:37:21 PM , Rating: 2
If you buy these iProducts you already conceded you'd bend over and take whatever they thrust upon you.

I can see it now...
By dgingeri on 6/22/2010 1:05:16 PM , Rating: 2
riding the light rail into work, and suddenly getting ads for the restaurants the train passes, then getting an ad for Qwest as we pass that building, then an ad for Wells Fargo as we pass that building, all served right to my iPhone. Then I walk from the train station to work, and get inundated with more ads as I go by the 16th street mall. Then more ads as I sit at work in meeting all day. Then more ads as I get home. All of them get tailored more and more to me as I walk around, with the phone telling Apple where I go and where I stay.

Yeah, sure, Apple is such a kind company for bugging the heck out of me with ads I don't want.

This is reason #1 why I hate Apple now. I will not, ever, buy another Apple product. The iPhone mentioned above is not real. I did not buy one because of the cost, and now I never will. I hate ads. I watch TV through my DVR so I can skip the TV ads. I wait to watch my favorite tv shows until the next day so that I don't have to be bothered with them. I certainly don't want my cell phone bugging me with more ads.

Your Kidding right?
By rocky12345 on 6/22/2010 2:43:32 PM , Rating: 2
So if I even owned a iPhone & I decided to opt out of this location tracking thing then Apple would cut me off from the App store I have one word for this (Blackmail). I say it is blackmail because Apple is telling you oh you can opt out of it but if you do you will have to pay the price of not enjoying all of the features we offer like the App store etc etc.

This smells like there will be a few law suites from this they can not block a user from these features when there is no good reason to do so. This new tactic is seyup for one thing & one thing only & that is to serve Apple not the customer.

I say that because with iAD's now in place & with location tracking turned on Apple can see where you are at any given time & lets day there is a Honda shop or subway near by you all of a sudden have those iAD's placed in your iphone for your viewing annoyance. There is no other good reason for Apple to know where you are other than that & even the Apple fanboy's will never be able to argue that point away.

It makes me glad I do not own any Apple products at all. I would not allow Apple or anyone else to track me so they can serve me up ad's on demand or any other reason. My Cell phone has it's tracker chip disabled for a reason & is powered off most of the time except during the day while at work.

Last paragraph
By cplusplus on 6/22/2010 4:20:01 PM , Rating: 2
The name of the song is "Every Breath You Take", not "I'll Be Watching You".

At last
By YashBudini on 6/22/2010 4:31:00 PM , Rating: 2
Apple has laid down the alter of the Godess Gizmo. Be prepared to bend over and take it. And like Kevin Bacon in Animal House you will surely hear someone say, "Yes, thank you sir, may I have another?"

It's getting hard to see who's more pathetic in these circumstances, Jobs or his customers.

By CharonPDX on 6/22/2010 7:04:04 PM , Rating: 2
If you use *ANY* location-based services, you're going to have to grant this. Period. Apple is just making you agree to "if you use location-based services, we'll have to collect your location and pass it on to the provider" portion up front in order to keep using.

How is this a problem? If you don't want to be tracked, DON'T USE LOCATION-BASED SERVICES! It doesn't say they'll track you when you're NOT using them, it only says they'll track you when you ARE.

I don't know about your iPhone, but mine warns me every time I start an app that asks for my location. And there is a System Setting for "Location Services", on or off. If you turn it off, HEY! No more locating me! No more passing my location to anyone!

By jmunjr on 6/22/2010 8:16:34 PM , Rating: 2
We should all have the ability to be completely anonymous. Not allowing this either through legislation or draconian practices is simply stating that we are all criminals.

There is a reason I still use an old school clamshell phone on a prepaid phone: I don't want my precise location ever compromised nor do I want anything about my activity subpoenaed by a court of law. IPhone information will most definitely be used in divorce cases among other cases int he near future(as have cell phone records and more been used already).

So much for a free society. I think Demolition Man will become reality in no time. We'll all soon be fined for cursing in public each and every time we curse...

By Romion on 6/23/2010 6:16:21 AM , Rating: 2
U deserve that ICRAP buyers hahahahah. And is only the begining hahahahahaha.

By vectorm12 on 6/23/2010 7:40:30 AM , Rating: 2
Due to the current lack of decent Androidphones(and promises of updates to future versions of Andriod as well) in Sweden I'm actually considering purchasing an iPhone4. I've managed to determine that the websites I use on my cell will work just as well without flash which was my major concern up until now.

Just like in the US carriers here are now starting to use capped dataplans for mobile use and horrendous overuse rates at that. What has now become an even greater concern for me is what this additional datatraffic will impact my bills at the end of the month.

Is there a set limit for how much trafic that will be directed to my phone via iAds? Is there any way I can control the amount without having to opt out and lose functionality of the phone?

In my world Apple and it's appstore-developers using the dataplan I pay for to send me ads I get nothing in return for is basically robbery. I mean they are in reality taking part of my 1-5GB of allowed data/month to send me ads that I haven't asked for.

What happens if I reach my monthly limit? I bet I'll be charged outrageous prices for every single MB I exceed the limit with regardless if it's just due to Apple ads. So basically I'll be paying Apple's partners to send me ads I never wanted to begin with.

I could perhaps accept this if I could force iAds and whatnot to atleast only use my Wifi to download and send this kind of data unless specifically ordered but if I have no choice but to let Apple use my dataplan to whatever it feels like, ads, locations, peeking through my camera to identify products to further increase ads accuracy and whatever else they might have already thought up that they just haven't implemented yet.

Maybe they'll use the front-facing camera to check if I shave or not and send me ads relating to that fact? I am in no way interested in paying for that and I doubt anyone else is for that matter regardless of how much you love Apple products in general.

It's just like HPs idea about having your printer take your ink and paper to print you adds. It's as if I would be charged for flyers dropped in the mail each day.

I do disagree with the fact that Apple choose to limit the functionality of the device just because I refuse to give them information they can make more money out of but I am not overly concerned even if an Apple employee is sitting around watching every move I make. What I am concerned about however is what implications this will bring in the long run.

By stuffitnow on 6/24/2010 9:11:09 AM , Rating: 2
You folks that have a problem with location tracking are missing an important point. that information is A DATA TRANSMISSION! It takes part of your allotment unless you are on an unlimited plan. Granted it is a small amount, but the location and those iAds are DATA BEING TRANSMITTED AND RECEIVED and you folks are paying for them every month. I did not request to purchase ads, I did not request to send or receive this type of information. It is theft of a portion of my data limit to push or take this information against my express wishes.

This article is complete fiction.
By aperson on 6/24/2010 9:19:53 AM , Rating: 2
This is completely false. You can absolutely opt out of location services and still download music and apps. This article is nothing but fodder to the iHaters. It must be embarrassing to all you Apple haters to accuse people of worshipping Jobs, and then swallowing every anti-Apple piece as if it was gospel, whether it was true or not. Do you guys use your brain or not? Do you really think Apple doesn't want to sell music and apps? Do you think someone's location data is more valuable than music and app revenue? Give me a break.

All this agreement says is "if you want to use an app that needs to know your location, then you have to provide your location." Makes sense to me. You don't go to your doctor and say "I hurt, but I'm not going to tell you where or how much."

I challenge the author to get an "iDevice", turn off location services and then show us him being denied downloading apps or music.

By etshea on 6/25/2010 2:21:30 PM , Rating: 2
Privacy is a huge issue. It's not only Apple guilty of this. Facebook, Google and Netflix have all had privacy issues recently.

Don't buy Apple products if you don't like what they do. The power of free market.

What's next
By morphologia on 6/25/2010 3:41:24 PM , Rating: 2
Next thing you know, all iPhones will be required to use a default ringtone, the lyrics of which are:

"And did that Steve, in ancient times, walk upon all our liberties...bring me my phone, of freedoms lost, bring me my Apple Macintosh..."

Orwell's 1984
By monkeyman1140 on 7/21/2010 10:14:13 AM , Rating: 2
I've never considered Apple to be like George Orwell's 1984 Ministry of Love.

Its more like the Emerald City, with munchkins, a wizard who uses pyrotechnics and smoke, and the same quality management as the Emerald City.

Anybody who buys into Job's OZ is a fool.

By muhahaaha on 6/22/2010 11:59:54 AM , Rating: 1
Pirks: "Apple is the future, ipad will take over the world"

Tony Swash: "glory be to the great Jobs. All hail his wisdom"

Me: "Master Sargent, suck my dick"

By xti on 6/22/10, Rating: -1
RE: boohoo
By pwndcake on 6/22/2010 12:27:02 PM , Rating: 2
I guess that's one advantage of using an Apple product. They won't know if you watch porn or not.

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