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Privacy advocates concerned about a strict new law in Georgia which removes sex offender's online privacy

The latest scuffle over online privacy is brewing up in Georgia.  An aggressive new law is set to take effect today which will force sex offenders to hand over their internet passwords, screen names, and e-mail addresses to the government for monitoring purposes.  Several other states also have efforts that track sex offender's email and screen names.  However, Georgia, which has 16,000 registered offenders, will be the first state to demand the sex offenders’ passwords as well.

A similar law in Utah was already struck down by a federal judge, who ruled that it violated the privacy rights of an offender who challenged it.  However, that ruling was rather narrow as it applied to an offender tried on a military conviction who had never been in Utah's court or prison system.

Critics of the Georgian law say that it not only violates the privacy rights of offenders, but it also places undue stress on the already tight-for-cash Georgian law enforcement.  Sara Totonchi of the Atlanta-based Southern Center for Human Rights states, "There's certainly a privacy concern.  This essentially will give law enforcement the ability to read e-mails between family members, between employers."

State Sen. Cecil Staton (R.) who wrote the bill argues that it is necessary to strip the rights of some citizens to protect the rights to life and liberty of others, particularly children.  He states that the benefits of the bill, which will allow law enforcement to detect stalking by predators sooner "outweighs a lot of the rights of these individuals."

He states, "We limit where they can live, we make their information available on the Internet. To some degree, we do invade their privacy.  But the feeling is, they have forfeited, to some degree, some privacy rights."

Most states do compromise sex offenders’ privacy to some extent by making their addresses available online in registries.  However, Georgia and Utah are the only states to propose legislation to take offenders passwords, according to civil rights researchers.  Others argue the bill isn't tough enough.  While the bill threatens violators with a possible return to prison, some believe this won't deter many.

Says State Sen. Staton, "My hunch is, where there's a will, there's a way.  If people are intent on violating this law, there are many different ways. What's important is we have given law enforcement a tool."

One critical issue at stake with the Georgian law is lack of specificity.  While the law is clearly meant to target offenders seeking to exploit children, it does not differentiate by crime.  Thus those found guilty of underage consensual sex, public indecency, or other sex crimes will likely be forced to turn over their passwords as well, bringing into question whether the law is targeting who it intends to.



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By Nfarce on 1/1/2009 11:52:43 AM , Rating: 4
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One critical issue at stake with the Georgian law is lack of specificity.


And as someone who resides in Georgia, that has been the primary issue of debate for many. If an 18-year old dude hooked up with a 15-year old chick (yeah like THAT has never happened in the history of the world), it's permanently damaging to lump him with the punishment of a 60-year old bald headed, pot bellied POS who sodomized boys.

Two of the lowest human beings on this planet are predators of the innocence of children and thieves. Personally, I feel the law doesn't apply to them anyway if I'm involved with one or the other anyway. They'll both be DRT (dead right there) if they breach me or my family, and Georgia's liberal gun laws will protect me.




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By alifbaa on 1/1/2009 2:43:27 PM , Rating: 5
I disagree. I think this law and all the other registry laws are too far reaching.

If some sex offender is such a threat that we need to restrict where he can live, publish his picture and address on the internet and now continuously monitor his communications, he should be in jail.

If a serious sexual predator can never be relied upon to be rehabilitated, then they should go to prison for life. On the other hand, if they've done their time then we should leave them alone.

My personal opinion is that sexual offenders' sentences are far too short given the magnitude of their crime and the extreme likelihood of them repeating their offenses upon release.


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By Nfarce on 1/1/2009 3:32:21 PM , Rating: 4
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If a serious sexual predator can never be relied upon to be rehabilitated, then they should go to prison for life. On the other hand, if they've done their time then we should leave them alone. My personal opinion is that sexual offenders' sentences are far too short given the magnitude of their crime and the extreme likelihood of them repeating their offenses upon release.


Huh? With all due respect, it sounds to me like you disagree with yourself.


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By Some1ne on 1/1/2009 4:21:23 PM , Rating: 5
Not at all. His point was quite straightforward:

1. We have a justice/penal system based upon the idea of rehabilitation.

2. It then follows that when an offender has been released from prison, they should be considered to be rehabilitated.

3. A rehabilitated citizen should not be treated in a way that differs fundamentally from how any other citizen is treated. They've completed their punishment, and were released from it because they were deemed able to participate in society again, and they should be treated as such.

4. Therefore, if a sex offender is released from prison, it should be without any special conditions.

5. However, if sex offenders are so dangerous to society that they cannot be released without special conditions, then perhaps they shouldn't be released back into society in the first place.

I agree on all counts. Justice in this coutry is supposed to be about reforming criminals so that they can become functioning members of society again, and the release of a prisoner is supposed to connote that they are believed to be reformed as such, and anyone so reformed should recieve the same kind of treatment as anyone else. They've done their time, and paid their debt, and are entitled to a chance to move on with their lives at that point.

If sex offenders require special rules when they are released, then they are being released before they have been properly reformed, and that should not happen. So by all means, keep them locked up until there's a reasonable confidence that they won't re-offend. And keep them locked up for life if they're unable to reach that point. But don't release them back into society while at the same time continuing to punish them after the fact with all these special rules and conditions. That just undermines the entire concept of reform that our system of justice and punishment is based upon.


RE: A
By afkrotch on 1/1/09, Rating: -1
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By tastyratz on 1/1/2009 5:09:32 PM , Rating: 2
And these conditions should NOT be mandated by law for ALL sex offenders. It presents undue stress on law enforcement which also impacts tax dollars.

This is ok with me if it was conditional as deemed by court ruling.
If someone picked up little kids off myspace their passwords should be taken.

If one adult date raped another adult at a party their internet activity is of no concern to police and as such should not be a requirement.

This should only apply to convicted child predators and internet predators. This should be the limit of the scope here.


RE: A
By jonmcc33 on 1/2/2009 8:46:40 AM , Rating: 1
Ah, so there's nothing wrong with date rape? Rape is just as bad as child molestation in my book.


RE: A
By Ryanman on 1/2/2009 3:50:49 PM , Rating: 3
Let's use child pornography and sexual perversion as an excuse to piss on our rights.
Let's face it: we already are searched when we come into America for digital child porn. The government is considering monitoring ALL internet traffic for it, and ISP's are already responsible for filtering it.

Given, Child porn and Pedophiles are the scum of the earth. But how far can you go to stop people from getting pictures of eastern European girls? Especially when most methods are moot. Why not use these methods to "prevent" other crimes? Watch other criminals? To argue that some sexual convictions are unfair (which they are) and that this should only apply to pedophiles is beside the point: the point is that no matter WHAT these measures start as, no matter WHAT premise is used to justify their gross invasion of privacy and human rights, it will not stay that way.


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By Gzus666 on 1/2/2009 4:27:05 PM , Rating: 3
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WHAT these measures start as, no matter WHAT premise is used to justify their gross invasion of privacy and human rights, it will not stay that way.


This is exactly why I hate when they make laws pertaining to one special instance. Kinda like the hate crime law, what a joke. Those crimes were all already a crime, why do they suddenly become worse if you happened to be against said group?

Sexual crimes are assault, treat them that way and move on. If people keep allowing garbage laws like these every time they think it is somehow the worst crime ever we will eventually have no legitimate justice and rehabilitation system. I don't get why people consider rape of a child worse than an adult. It is the same crime, treat it that way.


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By Sam Thornton on 1/1/2009 5:21:05 PM , Rating: 5
Strictly speaking, rights are not provided by government. Rather, government is prohibited from restricting certain rights assumed to belong to all citizens. The First Amendment is a case in point: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." The difficulty with placing any class of citizens in a group where the prohibition doesn't apply creates a precedent for the withdrawal of the protection from all classes.


RE: A
By Ryun on 1/1/2009 7:03:32 PM , Rating: 2
I was just about to say the same thing myself, thanks.


RE: A
By Heero on 1/2/2009 10:24:23 AM , Rating: 2
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Once laws are broken, those who broke them forfeit some or all rights provided by the government


So... If you break a traffic law, you are no longer able have a driver license for the rest of your life or breaking that law will influence your privcy to drive?

/sarcasm


RE: A
By MrBungle123 on 1/2/2009 11:14:22 AM , Rating: 3
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Once laws are broken, those who broke them forfeit some or all rights provided by the government.


Our rights are NOT provided by the government, they are PROTECTED by the government.


RE: A
By JonnyDough on 1/1/2009 7:27:53 PM , Rating: 1
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1. We have a justice/penal system based upon the idea of rehabilitation.


You wish. The system will slap your hand for anything...

If you're depressed, or are dealing with major life crisis the government could give a crap. They'll send you to jail for non-payment of child support, rather than help you find a job.


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By jonmcc33 on 1/2/2009 8:50:28 AM , Rating: 5
It's your responsibility to get a job and take care of a child you conceived...not the government's.


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By badmoodguy on 1/2/2009 2:04:02 PM , Rating: 1
LOL, you have no clue. You probably think you do, but in about 20 years, you'll realize that you didn't have a clue.

As for the topic, any law based on 'think of the children' is a bad law. Not that you'd have much success in bringing rational thought into the issue though with these braniacs running around making themselves feel good thinking that they are solving some problem.


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By JonnyDough on 1/3/2009 5:06:14 AM , Rating: 2
It's also my RIGHT and my CHILD's RIGHT to have visitation. Unfortunately my ex is a lying sack of crap and child support and visitation aren't connected, according to law.

The problem is that a man gets depressed when he doesn't see his kids...and it's kind of hard to take a man and turn him into a willing slave while robbing him of the child he loves.

The other issue is that the court will let a woman take a child away from a father but expect him to pay her money anyway. Believe me, my child is better off with me. I was a stepfather and when my wife and I had a baby she went psychotic. Post traumatic stress. There should be a law against divorce and separation for the first 5 years of a child's life. People should be FORCED to live together.


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By DASQ on 1/5/2009 1:16:13 PM , Rating: 2
Welcome to the pits of feminism. Divorce judges have ALWAYS been partial to women.

I'm not hating. I've just seen, time and time again, people getting screwed because somehow the woman deserves money for choosing to have the child 0 days a week.


RE: A
By Drexial on 1/5/2009 1:43:20 PM , Rating: 1
If my parents were forced to live together, I cant imagine how fucked up I would be. It was hard enough leaving with them separately. My parents separating when I was one was the best way to handle the situation. I honestly think I would be institutionalized if they stayed together. But it's completely on a case by case basis.

You honestly thing being forced to live with a woman you just referred to as "a lying sack of shit" would be best for your child? Yes constant fighting and (at minimal)verbal abuse would do wonders to raise your child. If you cant maintain composure in a post on a forum, then I can't imagine what kind of pent up aggression that would come out.

I'm only saying this because I lived through it.

I haven't seen my dad in almost 10 years because I moved out while he was at work. If you don't want that to happen to you, then I would suggest taking some anger management courses. To assume that anything should be FORCED is ludicrous. Yes lets force something that wasn't working in the first place. If you care and want to see your kid, then don't get pissy because you cant see them now. Live every moment of your life preparing yourself for when you do see them. Don't feel that you have the RIGHT to take care of them, know that you have the ability.

No I don't no you. But don't tell me I don't have the right to say anything about the situation. I didn't watch this happen, I lived through it. So I hope you are concerned for your child as a father and not trying to exercise some right of masculinity to have offspring. Hearing my dad yell "That's my god damned kid" at my mom didn't leave me feeling like he wanted the best for me, just wanted me for the sake of saying he had me.

Sorry for the off topic rant.


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By DASQ on 1/5/2009 1:17:08 PM , Rating: 2
I agree.

It blows my mind when I read in the paper 'Police say [X] is at high risk to reoffend'. SO DON'T RELEASE HIM! What the Christ?!


RE: A
By Samus on 1/1/2009 6:55:38 PM , Rating: 1
Funny, I think the two lowest forms of human beings on this planet are murderers and rapists...

Child sex offenders (similar to rapists, sometimes, but quite different none the less) and theifs actions are forged out of instinctive desperation and can often be treated.

But to each his own.


RE: A
By Nfarce on 1/1/2009 7:35:43 PM , Rating: 2
Point well taken. But note I did say two of the lowest..

Regarding your comment about sex offenders (and tying in rapists to some degree), I'd hardly consider that an instinctive act of desperation as you claim. Stealing, perhaps.

But it's neither here nor there to me. I'd waste each of scum equally while breaching me or my family.


RE: A
By jonmcc33 on 1/2/2009 8:53:24 AM , Rating: 2
How is forcing yourself upon a child any different then forcing yourself upon an adult any different in terms of rape? If anything the child molestation is worse.

I don't think it can be treated. I've seen enough instances of child molesters repeating their offense to know they are the lowest form of life and cannot be trusted around society.


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By DarkElfa on 1/2/2009 10:56:47 AM , Rating: 2
...and here I thought the 2 lowest forms of life on the planet were Yahtzee from the Escapist and Charlie Demerjian from the The Inquirer.

...but what do I know?

^-^


RE: A
By Byte on 1/2/09, Rating: 0
I know the solution
By Breathless on 1/2/09, Rating: 0
RE: I know the solution
By Gzus666 on 1/2/2009 9:58:35 AM , Rating: 3
You mean the same way murderers don't murder and thieves don't steal because they know the punishment? In the dark ages, the punishment for many crimes was horrendous but happened none the less. People like you are ignorant enough to think that punishment stops crime.

The point of our justice system is to have punishment that fits the crime and to rehabilitate the person if possible. Now, on that note I think they should change the three strikes law from life imprisonment to death, merely because they are obviously career and there is no rehabilitation at that point short of serious brain overhauls which we are not capable of at this point.

When it comes down to it, like most serious criminals, it is a brain dysfunction like any other. Sociopathy, schizophrenia, sexual "deviance", clearly these things stem from brain issues. Many criminals in fact fit into one of those categories and some others. It isn't something they control, it is merely an impulse from the brain caused by a dysfunction.

I do find it odd that someone could hate molesters and rapists more than they hate murderers, thieves, extortionists etc., most likely because of the dogma set on sexuality with people. But seriously, one just has sex with you, technically nothing more than assault. The other can destroy your entire life. Murderers clearly stop your life, thieves and extortionists can completely strip you of everything you have ever worked for your entire life, how are those not worse?


RE: I know the solution
By Breathless on 1/2/2009 10:34:31 AM , Rating: 2
Ok, to answer your objections in order:

No, no, no. I never said that severe punishment would ELIMINATE peoples propensity to commit terrible acts. I do know however that the fear of consequence DOES sway many people however. It would simply be to cut back on the amount of those who commit such things... People like me are smart enough to know this. As an example, some kids have liberal parents who let them do what they want and never punish them with physical discipline (just an example, lets not delve into this subject). Some have the opposite. The son or daughter of the liberal parent is generally disobedient and can feel free to do "bad stuff" with little fear of consequence, while the son or daughter of the parents like mine would be too afraid to get his head whacked off to do certain things. Granted, I still did bad things, but I'm smart enough to understand "I do this, I get whacked, and I don't wanna get whacked" so many times the knowledge of the consequence stopped me from doing things.

I agree, lets let the punishment fit the crime. You molest, you should die. You murder (with vicious intent and not in self defense or for other plausable reasons), you should die. Certain things deserve no rehabilitation, which brings me to your next point, which assumes that anybody (or many for that matter) who does these types of things is retarded or have brain malfunctions at the least. This is a convenient defense for these people. They, like me, have sinful urges that may be difficult to control. As an example, I believe I may have at least a partial addiction to the internet. I know and understand this, but I am perfectly capable of controlling the urge to spend all day online IF I CHOOSE TO. It is always my choice, just as it is always theirs. THEIR brain doesn't force them to do anything. They have voluntary control over their own limbs just like you, and can stop themselves from doing any violent or malicious act. God gives people this ability. Men in their defense say they cannot control it. Its just their sinful side. Certain sins are worthy of death, while others are not. My addiction related to the internet does not equate to a thief breaking into someones house in the middle of the night and robbing them or killing them. It is very convenient how many choose to take their element of self control out of the picture.

And I find it odd that you would get the idea that I don't hate murders and thieves and extortionists the same way I hate molesters and rapists! I don't know where you got the idea that I thought otherwise. Considering in context we are talking about the latter, it wouldn't make sense to bring up the other parties. I'd put them all in the same (or very close to the same) category my friend.


RE: I know the solution
By Gzus666 on 1/2/09, Rating: 0
RE: I know the solution
By Reclaimer77 on 1/2/2009 10:38:50 PM , Rating: 2
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When it comes down to it, like most serious criminals, it is a brain dysfunction like any other. Sociopathy, schizophrenia, sexual "deviance", clearly these things stem from brain issues. Many criminals in fact fit into one of those categories and some others. It isn't something they control, it is merely an impulse from the brain caused by a dysfunction.


Gzus I have had enough of your heavyhanded bullcrap in every topic that doesn't even interest you. You post to hear yourself talk.

Please fax DailyTech your various college degrees, since you seem to be an expert in all fields. Now apparently you're a criminal psychologist !

Brain dysfunction? You must be talking about yourself. Seriously, you can't honestly believe that nobody is responsible for their own actions. That anyone can do anything and just use the " he was crazy " or " temporary insanity " defense ? Are you that thick !?

I don't know why I bother with you. I have noticed a pattern. You jump into subjects you know nothing about and pick whatever angle that gets you the most press. But come on, defending child mollesters ? A new low.


RE: I know the solution
By Gzus666 on 1/3/2009 1:18:15 PM , Rating: 2
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Gzus I have had enough of your heavyhanded bullcrap in every topic that doesn't even interest you. You post to hear yourself talk.


You mean like freaking out at someone without refuting? Nice argument, if only it was filled with more than you throwing a fit like a child in the store.

quote:
Brain dysfunction? You must be talking about yourself. Seriously, you can't honestly believe that nobody is responsible for their own actions. That anyone can do anything and just use the " he was crazy " or " temporary insanity " defense ? Are you that thick !?


Do you honestly think that the brain is not responsible for all decisions you make? It is what makes you, you. If you believe in some silly notion of a soul, then I truly look down on you. Or do you think that the retarded, schizophrenic and sociopathic alike are fake brain dysfunctions? Like if they just take responsibility for it, it will all be OK? Maybe if they believe it hard enough, it will just go away and the brain will heal itself.

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I don't know why I bother with you. I have noticed a pattern. You jump into subjects you know nothing about and pick whatever angle that gets you the most press. But come on, defending child mollesters ? A new low.


I know why you bother, cause you just want to hear yourself talk without actually refuting anything. I have noticed this pattern with you. If I wanted the most press, I would just go nuts like Pirks or PS3. I didn't realize acknowledging someone has a problem is defending them. If I acknowledge mental retardation is a real thing and caused by a dysfunction, am I defending them or making a statement on an issue?

Setting a precedent that we just kill people without trying to rehabilitate them means we are turning the clocks backwards to the Dark Ages. Clearly you don't understand the goal of a society. It is to have functional members that all assist for the greater good. Should we start shooting all the cripples because they are a detriment to society? They eat resources and give nothing back in some instances, effectively hurting society as a whole, I would venture that is worse than one kid getting molested.

But either way, try this: Put together a logical argument for your stance and present it. I will then respond with information from my stance, that is called a debate. Or would you prefer to just get all angry? I'm OK with that, you're so cute when your angry.


RE: I know the solution
By Reclaimer77 on 1/3/2009 2:48:35 PM , Rating: 2
The type of "brain dysfunction" you are talking about is impossible to test for. Difficult, at best, to diagnose. And can be easily mimicked or faked. Do you doubt that defense attorneys have turned a crime that was clearly premeditated into " I was insane " not guilty verdicts ?

quote:
Do you honestly think that the brain is not responsible for all decisions you make?


Of course. But that's your argument ? Nobody should be held accountable for what they do, because the brain decides everything ?

Or are you actually claiming that the majority of sex offenders were simply powerless to help themselves ? Odd that this "brain dysfunction" only manifests itself in child rape in adults that lead otherwise normal, even productive, lives.

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I didn't realize acknowledging someone has a problem is defending them.


/rolls eyes.

You know exactly what you are doing Gzus.

Sigh, and I fell for it again.


RE: I know the solution
By Reclaimer77 on 1/2/2009 10:25:50 PM , Rating: 2
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Molesters of children who are convicted, and are obviously guilty (either by self admission or a ridiculous amount of irrefutable evidence) should be swiftly and brutally executed.


Shows how liberal and gutless our society is when a comment like this gets downrated.

I couldn't sleep at night if I defended a sex offender, even over the Internet on a website. I would have absolutely NO problem with making sex offenders, especially of children, punishable by death.

Get real people. These are the worst kind of scum on the planet.


RE: I know the solution
By Gzus666 on 1/3/2009 1:42:55 PM , Rating: 2
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Get real people. These are the worst kind of scum on the planet.


Worse than mass murderers? Tortuous dictators that enslave entire societies? You have quite the warped world view my friend. Molesting a child is no different than raping an adult, it is merely rape, which is assault at best. Sexual Assault is even the proper term. Their life continues, so I don't see how this scales to death for you. Granted if they repeat offend then they are beyond our current scope of rehabilitation, so death would be the only logical choice as I stated previously.

Our justice system is meant to clean people up, not as an outlet for your misguided malice. It is there to have the punishment fit the crime and to try to make productive members of society out of the people it puts through. How many people have been let out of death row from DNA evidence alone? Clearly our system is not perfect, so you must give everyone a chance to reform.

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Shows how liberal and gutless our society is when a comment like this gets downrated.


Move to one of the fabulous Middle Eastern countries, I'm sure they would go right along with you. Of course they will change the term rape to be OK as long as you are a man following some indoctrinated drivel, but you seem like the kind of fellow that is OK with that. By their standards, everyone is "liberal", you will feel right at home.


RE: I know the solution
By Reclaimer77 on 1/3/2009 2:27:11 PM , Rating: 2
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Worse than mass murderers? Tortuous dictators that enslave entire societies? You have quite the warped world view my friend.


Why do you keep bringing up murderers ? This topic is NOT about them. Obviously if I'm in favor of executing child rapists, I'm in favor of capital punishment for murders. How thick are you ?

quote:
Our justice system is meant to clean people up...


Some people can't be " cleaned up ".

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Granted if they repeat offend then they are beyond our current scope of rehabilitation, so death would be the only logical choice as I stated previously.


There is no such thing as a "one time" sex offender. Unless you just mean times they have actually been caught.

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Move to one of the fabulous Middle Eastern countries, I'm sure they would go right along with you. Of course they will change the term rape to be OK as long as you are a man following some indoctrinated drivel, but you seem like the kind of fellow that is OK with that. By their standards, everyone is "liberal", you will feel right at home.


Yay ultra extreme arguments help your case ?

Again, I'm not sitting here pushing for it in case you didn't notice. I simply said I wouldn't have a problem with executing them. Call it apathy, but honestly, I can't defend the scum and I wouldn't care if they were executed.

Maybe you are a bit apathetic too ?

quote:
Molesting a child is no different than raping an adult, it is merely rape, which is assault at best.


Corporate Responsibility/Disclosure
By Lord 666 on 1/1/2009 11:48:59 AM , Rating: 2
Since AT/DT is based in GA, law enforcement asking for additional information with respect to the sex offender log/password *should* be straightforward. But a gray area appears when GA residents are accessing online resources based in other states or non-GA residents are using GA online resources. How is this law interpreted? Its a slippery slope as sex offenders can sign up for sites (DT/AT included) at anytime; is there constant electronic monitoring at the desktop level? Overall, it sounds silly and just something to entrap sex offenders into a non-compliance situation.

Sex Offender -
quote:
"Sorry, I forgot to give my PO my DT password


Law Enforcement -
quote:
"Sorry, you are in violation of GA law 678 and now will be going back to jail."


While it is assumed that AT/DT have policy for law enforcement cooperation, curious if this has ever been used? What is the minimum age to create a logon at AT/DT?

Based on the subject matter of IT Security and laws are frequent topics of both sites, it would be interesting if AT/DT divulged this information... similar to Kristhopher's "online-payola" report that was excellent.




RE: Corporate Responsibility/Disclosure
By Brandon Hill (blog) on 1/1/2009 11:51:45 AM , Rating: 2
DT is not based in Georgia... neither is AT AFAIK


RE: Corporate Responsibility/Disclosure
By Nfarce on 1/1/2009 11:55:55 AM , Rating: 2
Correct. AT/DT is comprised of many authors/bloggers who reside in all parts of the globe. I'm not sure I understand what the original point of his post is about.


RE: Corporate Responsibility/Disclosure
By Lord 666 on 1/1/2009 12:13:35 PM , Rating: 2
Since AT is listed as an INC and DT a registered LLC, there has to be a state they are based out of. Usually within a companies charter, it indicates what specific state laws they are bound by or if any legal action is taken, where they will "prefer" to take to court.

My original post is using AT/DT as an example to sex offenders using online resources. We all live in different states and countries and was curious on how AT/DT would handle this new GA law if contacted by law enforcement. Second question was about internal AT/DT policy as an example. Third item was really a suggestion to AT/DT to do a report similar the "online payola" that would detail real world contact, if any, law enforcement has had with AT/DT concerning posted comments.


By Nfarce on 1/1/2009 12:52:27 PM , Rating: 1
Oh, I see where you are coming from now. Well, I don't think that the GBI (Georgia Bureau of Investigation) would be too interested in a technology-oriented website blog login from a sex offender...or a CNN blog for that matter.


RE: Corporate Responsibility/Disclosure
By Lord 666 on 1/1/2009 12:04:18 PM , Rating: 2
What state are AT/DT registered in? My apologies for incorrectly assuming.


By Clauzii on 1/1/2009 12:35:42 PM , Rating: 2
Don't know, but this map looks interesting:
http://www.mapservices.org/myguestmap/map/AnandTec...


The failures of the criminal justice system
By xstylus on 1/1/2009 3:51:57 PM , Rating: 5
It's like the McCarthy era in a way. No-one opposed his witchhunts lest they be labeled a communist themselves. It doesn't matter how intrusive, unconstitutional, or unethical a law against a sex offender is. It'll almost always pass, lest people start to whisper...

"He's not in favor of non-sedated castration for sex offenders! I'll bet he reads kiddie porn..."

Any politician who doesn't support harsh punishment has practically guaranteed themselves a tremendous loss come election time at the minimum, if not an outright recall.

This all points to a bigger problem that no-one has bothered to touch. The real failure of the criminal justice system is its focus on punishment without rehabilitation or recidivism prevention. If there's such a fear that a released sex offender is going to strike again, then he shouldn't be released until that fear is has been rectified.




By JonnyDough on 1/1/2009 7:30:45 PM , Rating: 2
You hit the donkey on the nose. Witch hunts happen in modern courts. Your wife can say you hit her without any proof and take your kids from you and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. It's desertion and it's deception and lying, but it doesn't matter to the courts.


By taber on 1/1/2009 11:57:02 PM , Rating: 3
Absolutely. Everybody disliking sex offenders makes it easy for legislation to be be passed, however it seems the punishment doesn't always meet the crime. It's amazing some of the legislation that can get passed when everybody agrees with the general idea, just like post 9/11.

If we really don't think it's safe to allow these people back into society then the punishment was wrong. Any law that can limit the rights of people worries me.


Sex offenders...
By kontorotsui on 1/1/2009 3:02:33 PM , Rating: 2
Sex offenders will be hunted down and defeated.




RE: Sex offenders...
By afkrotch on 1/1/2009 4:28:57 PM , Rating: 2
Indecent assault consumated by a battery. In layman's terms, unwanted touching in a private area. You patted a girl on the ass and she turns you in. Bam! On the sex offender's list.


Speaking of sex offenders...
By Rhl on 1/1/2009 11:46:51 PM , Rating: 2
Whatever happened to that Christopher1 guy? The self-admitted pedophile that used to argue on DT for pedophilia being turned into a sexual orientation? Christ.

It'd be nice if he was serving a long prison sentence.




By saiga6360 on 1/2/2009 11:27:36 AM , Rating: 2
If you miss him that much then just bust out of jail.


Another thing
By HostileEffect on 1/1/2009 11:19:39 PM , Rating: 2
What about the "watchers" taking abusing their power, logging into an offenders account and impersonating that person for the reason of discovering their "comments" later and putting that person back in prison?

Putting it out on the internet for people to abuse... steal even more information, maybe even eventually ID theft?




By RichterBelmont on 1/2/2009 3:20:42 AM , Rating: 2
I'm pretty sure those blogging on a tech site would know how easy it is to create a false identity online these days; it only takes 2 minutes or less to set up a new email account using a dynamic IP/ anonymous browser. These laws are the dumbest laws I've ever seen. I found a pretty good article on the subject here:

http://www.oncefallen.com/InternetLaws.html

The article brings up lots of valid point. But passwords are like keys to the safety deposit box or our house keys. Would you turn YOUR financial and personal records to anyone without a warrant? There is great potential for abuse with this law. Every police record is PUBLIC record, and people could subpoena to get that precious info! Or worse, cyber-vigilantes could use the info to hack personal accounts, using them to plant evidence as a crooked cop would do or use their PCs as storage for illicit materials. This law is rediculous.




By Bateluer on 1/2/2009 8:50:43 AM , Rating: 2
Okay, say I have a JSmith@freemail.net email account. The state of GA says I have to hand over the password to it. I give them the password for it.

What is stopping them from simply creating another email account with another free service with a different password?

I'm all for punishing sex offenders and criminals, but this doesn't strike me as a particularly enforceable law.




Sex Offenders
By unclesharkey on 1/5/2009 12:11:36 AM , Rating: 2
I personally think we need to do whatever it takes to protect our children, mine and yours. Also rape of a child is different than the rape of an adult. A child can not protect him/herself and is more vulnerable than adult. I work in child welfare and have seen first hand what sex abuse does to a child. Again I am not trying minimize the rape of an adult but at least an adult can ask for help or can protect themselves on some level when a child usually cannot. Imagine your father, stepfather, step relative coming into your room every night and having sex with you and you are only 8 years old. They tell you that if you tell they will kill your mom or whoever and this can go on for years before anyone finds out. In that case I would say it is much worse than an adult getting rapped once. Most situations need to be looked at case by case but it is very common for sexual abuse of a child to go on for years before it is discovered. Try putting yourself in the shoes of these children.




By Constitutional Believer on 1/5/2009 9:41:33 PM , Rating: 2
Just how far do you take the violation of civil rights? No, "privacy" is not in the Constitution. But, many scholars and judges have stated it is inferred in several areas, particularly in the Bill of Rights.

I am a former sex offender. What was my crime? It doesn't really matter other than it was in over fifteen years ago and was not predatory in nature nor violent. I spent several years on probation followed by a year in prison for violation of probation. What was my violation? Handling my accounting on a computer among lesser offenses like failing to respond to a page while oversleeping after working fourteen hour days for three months straight.

I've been out for seven years. I went from having nothing to owning a home. I took a credit score from 480 to over 750. For over a year, I was debt free and was slowly building a good nest egg.

Then, the Georgia legislature passed a law that took me from being a lawful citizen in my own home to an unlawful citizen in my own home; through no act of my own. Why? It was within a thousand feet of a pool owned by the home-owner's association. I never even used the pool and lived toward the other end of the complex.

For the next several months, I was forced to live in a motel while still paying a mortgage and a rent in the motel. There went my nest egg and shortly after, my available credit. My home sold at the tail end of foreclosure procedures; at a loss of $18,000 in equity. I walked away with barely a $1,000 in cash as a small token.

The Democrats want felons to have voting rights. In Georgia, once you complete your sentence all voting rights are restored. With pride, I walked into the poll during each election and voted... as a staunch conservative.

Basically, once you complete your sentence and you are NOT determined to be a predator or violent offender, what reason is there not to be allowed to live as an ordinary citizen? Even for those extreme cases, if you remove the ability for one to rebuild their life and enjoy their accomplishments both personal and professional, you only tear down their desire to further build their life and establish a life where they are least likely to offend.

Now, let's look at the cost placed on the citizens. These Georgia laws have done nothing more than turn sheriff's departments into probation offices. The number of deputies required for monitoring and enforcement have doubled to quadrupled at various agencies. That is manpower not available to investigate ongoing and more serious crimes than someone living too close to a swimming pool or church. Add to this, all of these changes required of sheriff's departments are an unfunded mandate. So, the legislature requires the sheriff to perform a duty without the funds to do so.

Then, state prosecutors and public defenders requested additional funding to the tune of over $100 million because of additional cases under this law. On top of that, consider more jail space is needed and the already backed-up court system is further clogged.

So, how much is needed? If anyone looks at these laws realistically, there is nothing they will accomplish but place additional burden on the taxpayer. Oh, and cause previously registered offenders to go underground. Just look at Florida after its laws went into effect. The absconder list in Georgia is already over 450. I'm not certain of its size two years ago but I'm sure it was considerably less than today.

Protect children? You betcha. But, let's apply some common sense in the process.

Think what you will of me. But, wiping out rights for the least among us is only a step toward eliminating rights for the rest.




By Beenthere on 1/1/2009 8:39:48 PM , Rating: 1
You know those perverts are gonna be pissed off when they end up back in prison for handing over their pass words. They just don't get it.




Makes sence
By Sazabi19 on 1/1/09, Rating: 0
Which Georgia?
By Sunbird on 1/1/09, Rating: -1
Monitor the tool
By bobcpg on 1/1/09, Rating: -1
RE: Monitor the tool
By mcnabney on 1/1/2009 3:39:03 PM , Rating: 1
Oh yeah, that makes sense.

Get caught in some infraction relating to sex (streakers, drunks urinating in public, and Romeo with his teenage girlfriend have all ended up on Sex offender lists) and your internet activity will be monitored for life.

While you are at it, if you are convicted of speeding all cars that you drive will have speed regulators on them or GPS devices with a wireless connection to the police so they can check for violations.

And alcohol and drug offenses will require weekly chemical tests, forever.

This is all stupid. If you do something wrong you do the time, go through parole/probabtion, ad then you get to put your life back together again. All of these extra hurdles just marginalize felons further from society which we already knows will drastically increase their chance of re-offending.


RE: Monitor the tool
By HostileEffect on 1/1/2009 7:02:57 PM , Rating: 2
I have to agree that if you do your time then you should have every right restored. If that isn't good enough, maybe we should make the punishment much harsher.

I think there are many vehicles out there with speed regulators and GPS tracking, its called on-star.


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