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Franken questions whether Apple could be compelled to give up fingerprint data

United States Senator Al Franken has some concerns about Apple's new fingerprint reader on the iPhone 5S. Apple touts fingerprints as "one of the best passwords in the world." However, Franken says he has reasons to believe that a fingerprint is not a good password. Franken is the chairman of the Senate Judiciary subcommittee on Privacy, Technology, and the Law.

Franken wrote a letter to Apple CEO Tim cook on September 19 writing in part, "Passwords are secret and dynamic; fingerprints are public and permanent. If you don't tell anyone your password, no one will know what it is. If someone hacks your password, you can change it—as many times as you want. You can't change your fingerprints. You have only ten of them. And you leave them on everything you touch; they are definitely not a secret. What's more, a password doesn't uniquely identify its owner—a fingerprint does. Let me put it this way: if hackers get a hold of your thumbprint, they could use it to identify and impersonate you for the rest of your life."

Senator Al Franken

In his letter, Franken asked Apple to answer 12 different questions about Apple's fingerprint reader technology. Franken wants to know if it's possible for third parties to convert locally stored fingerprint data into a digital or visual format. He also wants to know if it's possible to extract fingerprint data from the iPhone and whether that would require physical access or could be accomplished remotely.

Franken is asking Apple to define if it considers fingerprint data to be the "contents" of communications, customer, or subscriber records. Franken also wants to know how Apple services such as iTunes and the App Store interact with Touch ID and what information is collected by those apps from the Touch ID system.
You can read all of Senator Franken's questions Apple at the source link below.


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Only 10 fingerprints?
By othercents on 9/23/2013 10:22:31 AM , Rating: 2
You can't change your fingerprints. You have only ten of them.

I was going to use one of my toes. This way my print can't be lifted from anything I use.

RE: Only 10 fingerprints?
By Motoman on 9/23/2013 10:29:50 AM , Rating: 5
Guess what Anthony Weiner is going to use.

RE: Only 10 fingerprints?
By Bostlabs on 9/23/2013 3:45:43 PM , Rating: 3
Drat! You already have a 5. Can't vote it up. LOL!

RE: Only 10 fingerprints?
By ipay on 9/23/2013 10:54:50 AM , Rating: 3
This way my print can't be lifted from anything I use
...except for your iphone.

RE: Only 10 fingerprints?
By GulWestfale on 9/23/2013 11:08:18 AM , Rating: 4

for those of you who don't speak german:
the chaos computer club (a hacker collective, basically) has cracked the iphone's touch sensor using a 9 year old trick. :)

it involves lifting a print from a glass or cup with a plastic foil.
here is a video explaining it.

keep on "innovating", apple! lol

RE: Only 10 fingerprints?
By Motoman on 9/23/2013 11:26:37 AM , Rating: 2

I was just coming in here to post that.

RE: Only 10 fingerprints?
By Solandri on 9/23/2013 5:24:09 PM , Rating: 3
1) You can change your prints. I inadvertently did so when I sliced open my index finger while fixing something. When it healed, the two halves weren't aligned properly. The lines on one half were shifted over by about 1 set of lines from the other half. Plus I have a huge diagonal scar gash right across my finger's pad.

2) I hasn't fazed the fingerprint scanner on my or my dad's laptop, nor the fingerprint scanners TSA uses for Global Entry. All of them were calibrated with my pre-injury finger, and all of them recognize my post-injury finger just fine. Kinda makes me question how much slop is in the recognition algorithm.

RE: Only 10 fingerprints?
By WeaselITB on 9/23/2013 5:45:32 PM , Rating: 2
Most biometric devices are not super-duper secure. See this as an example --

By Ammohunt on 9/23/2013 11:37:55 AM , Rating: 2
Senator Stuart Smalley needs to stay out of tech and stick to what he knows....someone remind me what is that again?

RE: Dumbass
By Reclaimer77 on 9/23/2013 11:52:27 AM , Rating: 2
Stealing elections? He's pretty good at that.

RE: Dumbass
By Dr of crap on 9/23/2013 12:20:43 PM , Rating: 2
Yea he's from my state, MN, and what a disgrace. We would be the only state to elect him!

AND did no one see his Stuart Samlley act when they saw his name on the Ballet and decide NOT to vote for him?
But he is a Dem so for MN that's ALL that matters!

RE: Dumbass
By Cheesew1z69 on 9/23/2013 1:29:55 PM , Rating: 2
And yet, he is doing something with his life while you, you are here doing what? Trolling....

RE: Dumbass
By Nfarce on 9/23/2013 9:27:25 PM , Rating: 1
Doing something with his life? What has this blithering Democrat idiot DONE while Senator? He failed at talk radio too.

RE: Dumbass
By ritualm on 9/23/2013 10:28:32 PM , Rating: 2
What has this blithering Democrat idiot DONE while Senator?

Politics is all about marketing your BS and ensuring that it sticks. After you get elected, ignore all but those who made significant financial contributions to your campaign.

He's more successful at it than you are at trolling. It's funny.

RE: Dumbass
By Motoman on 9/23/2013 4:47:01 PM , Rating: 2
I've always said I'd trust any comedian far more than any politician. Or even a wrestler, for that matter.

RE: Dumbass
By WeaselITB on 9/23/2013 5:11:45 PM , Rating: 2
Disgrace? Really? He's a million times better than Bachmann ... at least Franken knows the meanings of the words he uses.

RE: Dumbass
By Reclaimer77 on 9/23/2013 5:58:30 PM , Rating: 2
Yes because when the country collapses from Socialist policies, it's going to keep us toasty at night knowing those who brought us to our doom were really smart and worldly people!

RE: Dumbass
By kyleb2112 on 9/29/2013 1:26:59 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I'm in California and it's a testament to long term Democratic control. As is the city of Detroit. Just find a place people are fleeing from and you'll find right-thinking "progressives" running the show. I guess you gotta break a few eggs to make a socialist paradise...

RE: Dumbass
By SAN-Man on 9/23/2013 1:51:06 PM , Rating: 2
Normally I would agree but in this instance he is correct and you can't deny it.

RE: Dumbass
By Ammohunt on 9/23/2013 2:37:32 PM , Rating: 2
Um yeah where was he on this topic before it involved his shiny new Gold iPhone 5s?

But, Big Al....
By DaveLessnau on 9/23/2013 9:59:51 AM , Rating: 2
But, big Al (Franken), you can't possibly question Apple. The other Big Al (Gore) is on their board. How could they possibly do wrong?

RE: But, Big Al....
By Brandon Hill on 9/23/2013 10:24:03 AM , Rating: 5
Well, he's good enough, smart enough, and doggone It, people like him.

Butt Out
By bitmover461 on 9/24/2013 12:37:25 PM , Rating: 2
Doesn't Al Franken have better things to do? Seriously. If you're concerned about fingerprint security, DON'T BUY ONE.

Al Franken, lolololol
By overlandpark4me on 9/23/13, Rating: 0
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