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Two-headed ogre is a best-of compilation for PRO-IP and PIRATE Acts

With the controversial copyright reform PRO-IP and PIRATE Acts all but forgotten about, the United States Senate introduced a new bill designed to incorporate the best of both worlds for IP protection, dubbed the Enforcement of Intellectual Property Rights Act of 2008 (PDF).

Unfurled last week on the Senate floor, the EIPRA seeks a number of new measures to bolster copyright protection in the United States, including the appointment of a “copyright czar” and corresponding government bureau (borrowed from the PRO-IP Act), and allowing federal authorities to file civil suits against and seize property of suspected copyright infringers (borrowed from the PIRATE Act).

EIPRA would also increase the penalties assessed against those found liable for copyright infringement.

Both the PRO-IP and PIRATE Acts enjoyed a fair amount of success in their respective branches of Congress. The PIRATE Act passed the Senate several times since 2004, and the PRO-IP Act sailed through the House of Representatives last May. Critics have fought hard to stall both bills, however, citing concerns over increasing government power, bureaucratic waste, overly broad wording, unnecessarily tough penalties, and the possibility of limited redress for those caught in its crosshairs.

In a Thursday press conference last week, the bill’s sponsors said EIPRA would protect American jobs and ward off allegedly severe losses incurred by American industry.

“American businesses lose $250 billion every year, and we have lost more than 750,000 jobs because of intellectual property theft,” said Democratic co-sponsor Evan Bayh. “The global economy is not working as it should when we buy from countries that have a competitive advantage over us, and they steal from us when we have a competitive advantage over them … The American auto industry estimates it could hire an additional 200,000 workers if we eliminated the trafficking of counterfeit auto parts.”

EIPRA is designed to address more than just simple internet piracy, as it also seeks to legislate the much larger business of counterfeit goods illegally entering the United States.

“If hundreds of our cargo ships were being hijacked on the high seas … there would be a great sense of alarm and unshakable government resolve to act. That, in effect, is what is happening today, yet we are not doing nearly enough to stop it,” said Bayh.

Critics say the Senators’ focus on counterfeiting is a red herring against the issue of consumers’ rights, noting that EIPRA’s provisions make little difference between commercial, professional pirates and ordinary consumer pirates – and many say that wording is there by design. Facing particular focus is a section that allows authorities to confiscate equipment used in infringement: “Seizing expensive manufacturing equipment used for large-scale infringement from a commercial pirate may be appropriate. Seizing a family’s general-purpose computer in a download case, as this bill would allow, is not appropriate,” said Public Knowledge president and co-founder Gigi Sohn.

“This bill goes even farther, expanding the penalties under the flawed Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) to create new grounds for allowing a family’s computer to be seized if used to circumvent digital rights management, even if for fair uses,” he said.

The content industry seems to have had a heavy role in EIPRA’s design, stemming partially from plans originally laid out in the PRO-IP and PIRATE Acts – both of which enjoyed at times much more overt support from music, movie, and software industry associations.

Previous attempts at watering down EIPRA’s predecessors have met with failure, most notably with an attempt by Representative Rick Boucher to merge the dead FAIR USE Act of 2007 with the PRO-IP Act earlier this year. His plans would have eliminated DMCA-prescribed penalties for someone who circumvents copy protection to engage in a “non-infringing use,” and sought to protect those who seek to use and understand their A/V equipment in ways currently deemed illegal.

The EFF points out that EIPRA, combined with secretive negotiations currently underway in the secretive, international ACTA treaty, would empower border agents to seize equipment like iPods if consumers bring them across country lines. This would in turn force music fans, travelling DJs, and anyone who carries an iPod or CD carrier with burned, backed up, copied, or compilation discs to prove their ownership – or face having their equipment destroyed.

A leaked, confidential briefing to ACTA negotiators – supposedly written by “concerned business groups operating in ACTA nations” – reinforces the content industries’ alleged desire for an international standard of destroying equipment at border crossings.

While the EIPRA seems to be enjoying wide support amongst both chambers of Congress, some say it is unlikely that the bill will be able to clear the legislative branch before Congress’ annual summer recess.



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When in doubt
By pauldovi on 7/31/2008 9:19:31 AM , Rating: 4
Ask, What Would Ron Paul Do?




RE: When in doubt
By FDisk City on 7/31/2008 9:26:55 AM , Rating: 4
Drink some Ensure and then take a nap! That’ll show ‘em!


RE: When in doubt
By Polynikes on 7/31/2008 9:43:41 AM , Rating: 5
While we're making broad generalizations...

Meanwhile, Barack Obama would eat some "organic" trail mix, then take someone's wallet and give it to a homeless guy!


RE: When in doubt
By raejae on 7/31/2008 11:56:10 PM , Rating: 2
At least he's giving it to the homeless guy and not the aristocrat, which is exactly what this article is about.


RE: When in doubt
By Reclaimer77 on 7/31/2008 11:03:27 AM , Rating: 1
Ron Paul is an idiot.

Oh don't get me wrong, I agree with most of this stances. But only a complete moron would come out anti war and run in the Republican party.

*cough* McCain *cough*


RE: When in doubt
By pauldovi on 7/31/2008 11:31:37 AM , Rating: 5
Or maybe the neocon's are idiots?

Republicans used to be anti-war, anti-double-the-federal-government-every-8-years, anti-central-power, and pro privacy. Perhaps you are too young to remember the pre-Bush years?


RE: When in doubt
By Reclaimer77 on 7/31/08, Rating: 0
RE: When in doubt
By pauldovi on 7/31/2008 12:57:07 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think Ron Paul expected to become President. I do think he expected to reach many with his message, which he did quite sussessfully. Young conservatives learned from Ron Paul that you don't have to be like Bush, you can be a real conservative. I can't tell you how many friends I have at the university level who don't like anything about the Democrats but they are registered Democrats because they are anti-interventionism / anti-Bush. Most of them are now "Ron Paul Republicans".


RE: When in doubt
By Reclaimer77 on 7/31/2008 1:10:05 PM , Rating: 1
I'm not giving Bush a pass... but its easy to take Ron Pauls stance when hes not sitting in the hot seat when four planes are hijacked and three of them are slammed into national landmarks and population centers.

You could not pay me ANY amount of money to be President. If you put a gun to my head, I would tell ya to pull the trigger. No dice.

Ron Paul wasted his time with the youth in my opinion. The youth don't vote anyway, so whats the point ? And if they do, they are far more likely to vote Democrat because lets be honest, the young are liberals.

I think Churchill said it best ( I think it was him? ) " If your a Conservative at 18 you have no heart, if your a Liberal at 30 you have no brains "

The conservative message has just been lost. Theres too much politics. Too much of Bush's style of " reaching across the isle " and shaking hands with Democrats, only to watch them put knives in our backs for it.


RE: When in doubt
By FITCamaro on 7/31/2008 1:47:27 PM , Rating: 2
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If your a Conservative at 18 you have no heart


Guess I was a heartless bastard then.


RE: When in doubt
By daftrok on 7/31/2008 4:22:53 PM , Rating: 3
The first step is admitting it.


RE: When in doubt
By pauldovi on 7/31/2008 1:47:48 PM , Rating: 2
What happened in 2003 has little to do with what happened in 2001 and you cannot say President Bush was making life or death decisions when he lobbied Congress to decided to invade Iraq.

"It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world. "

- Thomas Jefferson


RE: When in doubt
By FITCamaro on 7/31/2008 1:46:16 PM , Rating: 2
I would've voted for Ron Paul. Did I agree with him on Iraq? No. But if the cost of saving our country was screwing over the Iraqi's, I'd take it. Besides its not like we can just pull out of the war in a day, a month, or even a year.

I agree with Ron Paul far more than McCain. The reason Ron Paul didn't get any serious consideration was because he was a threat. Not only to the media but to all the Democrats and half-assed Repulicans who only care about their own re-election. And whats the best way to get re-elected? Be a liberal and offer people crap for free.

Ron Paul would've shook up this country. He would've tried to take it back to its roots. I've still a mind to write in my vote for him.


RE: When in doubt
By Spivonious on 7/31/2008 1:56:34 PM , Rating: 3
I voted for him in our primary, even though it was pretty much decided before then.

I think he got his message out, and that in the coming years more people like him will pop up and begin to make some serious reforms in the federal government. He really got the youth thinking about politics. So, mission accomplished in that respect.

If he wanted to be on the November ballot, then he would have run as a Libertarian (since that's what he really is).


RE: When in doubt
By Reclaimer77 on 7/31/2008 2:57:03 PM , Rating: 2
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Ron Paul would've shook up this country. He would've tried to take it back to its roots.


Thats what he says. What politico's say and what they do are... well, you know.


RE: When in doubt
By pauldovi on 7/31/2008 2:57:05 PM , Rating: 3
You cannot agree with Ron Paul on "most matters" and disagree with him on others. If you do, then you have no consistant beliefs.

Invading Iraq did not save our country. In fact quite the opposite, it screwed us over. Not only has it incurred a massive financial hardship on this country (now and in the future) but it has also left our military stretched, wore, and breaking down. We are less safe because of the invasion of Iraq.

Ron Paul doesn't want to get out of Iraq for their safety. He wants to do it because of our laws, because of our money, and because of our safety. We had no legal, moral, or logical right to invade them.


RE: When in doubt
By Reclaimer77 on 8/1/2008 1:12:58 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
You cannot agree with Ron Paul on "most matters" and disagree with him on others. If you do, then you have no consistant beliefs.


This statement makes absolutely no sense. You can't agree with someones position on something and disagree with others, or you have no consistent beliefs ? Huh !? So its an all or nothing approach ? Thats news to me.

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Invading Iraq did not save our country.


Pacifists talk. Iraq was liberated, not invaded. Any attempt to call it something else is propaganda. A ruthless dictator was overthrown, maybe you forgot.

Our country didn't need " saving ". I'm sure we would be just fine, turtling into our borders, and suffering 911 type attacks 'only' once in a while.

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In fact quite the opposite, it screwed us over.


Yes despite overwhealming proof that the " surge " is working and stability in the region is taking place, because it didn't happen overnight, its a far gone conclusion that we are " screwed over ".

Are you hearing yourself ?

quote:
but it has also left our military stretched, wore, and breaking down


You just brought up the cost, now say our military is breaking down and worn. Who's not being consistent now ??

Fact is our military is larger, better equipped, and better funded than it was just a few short years ago. And it sure as HELL is the most modernized military we have ever seen.

But I forgive you, I know your a liberal and to make your point you must use totally emotional handwringing terminology grounded in myth.

quote:
We are less safe because of the invasion of Iraq.


Because of the LIBERATION of Iraq, we are safer than before.

You know I really don't understand Liberals like you who will stop at nothing to ensure the failure of our millitary and country. Face it, in your mind there is ZERO justification for ever using the military. No matter WHAT the reason, you have a fundamental issue with it. Its called pacifism.

And you know what ? Thats fine. But just come out and admit it. Instead your sitting there with your crystal ball and already proclaiming that we have failed, lost, are less safe than before. Despite plenty of evidence that its simply not the case.

By the way the GDP is up 3% this quarter. But please don't let that stop you from turning on the news and being propagandized into thinking we're in a hopeless spiraling recession and its all Bush/Iraq's fault. The country is DOOMED ! DOOMED I TELL YA !!


RE: When in doubt
By pauldovi on 8/1/2008 5:14:59 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
This statement makes absolutely no sense. You can't agree with someones position on something and disagree with others, or you have no consistent beliefs ? Huh !? So its an all or nothing approach ? Thats news to me.


What I am saying is that you cannot be taken seriously if you have inconsistent and conflicting philosophical beliefs.

quote:
Pacifists talk. Iraq was liberated, not invaded. Any attempt to call it something else is propaganda. A ruthless dictator was overthrown, maybe you forgot.

Our country didn't need " saving ". I'm sure we would be just fine, turtling into our borders, and suffering 911 type attacks 'only' once in a while.


Who decided Iraq needed to be liberated and who made it our responsibility to do it. How can you justify forcing me to pay for Iraq's "liberation". I guess I forgot that it was my responsibility to fund the overthrowing of dictatorships?

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Afghanistan did. Wouldn't you know, we left Afghanistan to go monger in Iraq. Backwards.

quote:
Yes despite overwhealming proof that the " surge " is working and stability in the region is taking place, because it didn't happen overnight, its a far gone conclusion that we are " screwed over ". Are you hearing yourself ?


I didn't realize that the "surge" affected the United States and the fact that the invasion of Iraq screwed this country over. It doesn't matter if you believe deep down in your heart that we should run around the world invading countries and overthrowing dictators. We cannot afford it.

Do you honestly believe that people came over to the United States, a country 10,000 miles away, to attack us because they didn't like us? That seems a little unbelievable to me. They attacked us because we are in their space trying to tell them how to live, who to be nice to, and what kind of government they should have. I don't remember the last time Japan or Canada was attacked for its capitalism and freedom?

They would leave us alone if we left them alone. Plain and simple.

quote:
You just brought up the cost, now say our military is breaking down and worn. Who's not being consistent now ?? Fact is our military is larger, better equipped, and better funded than it was just a few short years ago. And it sure as HELL is the most modernized military we have ever seen. But I forgive you, I know your a liberal and to make your point you must use totally emotional handwringing terminology grounded in myth.


The average age of a US Air Force asset is 26 years and growing. This is compared to an average age of US commercial airliner assets, which is 3.5 years. Spending money in Iraq shooting bullets, blowing up bridges (and then rebuilding them), and other waists in not increasing out military's strength. Men and materials have been warn out and exhausted in Iraq.

Ever wonder why the DOD is looking hard for troops to send to Afghanistan. Even the National Guard is hard to find. They are all in Iraq or recovering from Iraq. The DOD sent 300 of America's best border agents to Iraq, to defend their boarder. Now that makes a whole lot of sense.

This post is the first time, in my life, that I have been called a liberal. Cool!

quote:
Because of the LIBERATION of Iraq, we are safer than before. You know I really don't understand Liberals like you who will stop at nothing to ensure the failure of our millitary and country. Face it, in your mind there is ZERO justification for ever using the military. No matter WHAT the reason, you have a fundamental issue with it. Its called pacifism. And you know what ? Thats fine. But just come out and admit it. Instead your sitting there with your crystal ball and already proclaiming that we have failed, lost, are less safe than before. Despite plenty of evidence that its simply not the case. By the way the GDP is up 3% this quarter. But please don't let that stop you from turning on the news and being propagandized into thinking we're in a hopeless spiraling recession and its all Bush/Iraq's fault. The country is DOOMED ! DOOMED I TELL YA !!


Okay, looking for an explanation of how "liberating" Iraq has made us safer. Failure of the military eh? I work in the defense industry, I profit from the war, and I still don't support it. I support a war in Afghanistan but not in Iraq. I am not a pacifistic I am a non-interventionist.

We could kill every "insurgent" in Iraq, 3 times over, and we still would have lost. Why? Because a $1 trillion war is something that you and I cannot afford to pay.

You know, the so called "conservatism" that you proclaim to follow was created by Thomas Jefferson. I would like you to realize some of his own words:

"Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto."

"Conquest is not in our principles. It is inconsistent with our government."

quote:
It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.


Bush has doubled the federal spending in his 8 years ($1.5 trillion to $3.1 trillion). He has increased the power of the federal government (HLS / Patriot Act), done nothing to eliminate the Department of Education, and have never proposed a balanced budget. Went to war without Congressional Declaration of War. Implemented No Child Left Behind. If you were really a conservative, these things would make you sick.


RE: When in doubt
By Reclaimer77 on 8/1/2008 6:29:18 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
What I am saying is that you cannot be taken seriously if you have inconsistent and conflicting philosophical beliefs.


I don't. I think you fail at reading comprehension. I said I agree with MOST of Ron Pauls views, but I think he missed the mark on the war. How in the hell is that ME having conflicting beliefs ? Hes the one conflicting with the philisophical beliefs of the Republican party hes running for, not me.

quote:
Who decided Iraq needed to be liberated and who made it our responsibility to do it.


Good question. Honestly, it is. Now go find an answer.

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I guess I forgot that it was my responsibility to fund the overthrowing of dictatorships?


I guess I missed the part where Bush raised taxes to cover the war. Oh, thats right, he didn't.

Why is it my responsibility to fund medicare, medicade, social security and my states governments social programs ? Hell I don't use them ! By the way social programs cost far FAR more than the war in Iraq EVER has.

quote:
Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.


Yeah right. Another liberal talking point you picked up from CNN. So those 2,000 + troops we have lost in Iraq were killed by " insurgents " with military hardware ? I love the term " insurgent " by the way, because if they were called what they really were, terrorists, it would pretty must justify us being there.

quote:
invasion of Iraq screwed this country over.


Again, I ask you, how are we screwed over ?? Statements like this is why I call you a liberal. Why the over dramatization ?? Its really not becoming.

quote:
Do you honestly believe that people came over to the United States, a country 10,000 miles away, to attack us because they didn't like us? That seems a little unbelievable to me. They attacked us because we are in their space trying to tell them how to live, who to be nice to, and what kind of government they should have.


And this is where our discussion ends. You are beyond wasting my time with this idiotic ranting.

These are people who strap bombs to their chest to make a point. Taking civilians and themselves to death. And your seriously trying to apply some type of logical cause/effect reasoning to excuse their actions and make US the bad guys ?

We're done. It was fun while it lasted, but we're done.


RE: When in doubt
By pauldovi on 8/2/2008 3:09:41 AM , Rating: 2
I guess your knowledge of the Republican party is limited to fairly recent presidents. Ron Paul's beliefs are consistent with historical Republicans, Conservatives, and libertarianism (which is where Conservatism gets its roots). The concept of preemptive war is dangerous and was created by Bush. Preemptive war IS NOT a Republican value and it certainly isn't a Conservative Value. Is it is a far stretch from it.

You raise the point that Bush did not raise taxes to fund the war. To further add to it he went to war without a congressional declaration of war. Both of these things are wrong and irresponsible. It is easy to get a people to go to war if you don't raise their taxes, instead placing the burden on the next generation, a generation that never had a say in the matter but will still have to pay for our decisions. That is HIGHLY inconsistent with Conservative and Republican values.

I do not think it is your responsibility to pay for social welfare (a.k.a. nanny state). I would like to see those depart just as quickly. To bad your glorious president has increased their funding.

If you invade a country and don't expect its people to fight back you are moronic. If the United States was invaded would the resistors be considered terrorist? No. I do not deny that there are terrorist (Al Quida) present in Iraq. However I do not believe they existed there before we invaded the country.

I claim we are screwed over because Bush is spending more than double what Clinton ever spent, sending our dollar into the gutter and increasing our debt, which will have to be paid off by the next generation. Furthermore it removed our military from protecting our borders and has them protecting Iraq's. Bridges are falling in the United States, yet we are spending billions to trillions oversees?

Its not the people that blow themselves up that I am talking about. Those people clearly are not the ones running the show. The ones planning all of this, giving the orders, are the ones who decide to attack us and why. I don't believe they would of attacked us if our military was not present in the Middle East. Do you?


RE: When in doubt
By Reclaimer77 on 8/2/2008 7:36:17 AM , Rating: 2
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To further add to it he went to war without a congressional declaration of war.


Thats a flat out lie and you know it. There was a congressional vote, and a huge majority of congress voted for the war.

Ok, NOW we're done.


RE: When in doubt
By pauldovi on 8/2/2008 1:36:24 PM , Rating: 2
He had congressional approval for military action in Iraq, but no declaration of war. I guess it is as much of a sign of irresponsibility on Congress as it is on Bush. If you don't have the balls to declare war, you shouldn't go to war.


RE: When in doubt
By Reclaimer77 on 8/2/2008 2:40:20 PM , Rating: 2
Semantics.


RE: When in doubt
By Shinei on 8/1/2008 5:38:09 AM , Rating: 2
The turnaround in Iraq is more because the citizens are tired of being blown up, so they're turning around and ratting on the insurgents to the troops; the number of troops you throw at a problem is irrelevant if you know where all the enemies in the theater are. Hell, one guy with a machete could take care of that.

Did Hussein need to go? Probably. Should it have overextended our military resources, bloated our budget, increased national debt, and made us look like fools for 6 years? No, and I don't know how anybody could justify the cost of a war that didn't need to be fought.

Bin-Laden's not in Iraq, and he's the real perpetrator of 9/11. Hussein was just a chubby idiot who spent most of his time torturing and killing Islamic extremists, and occasionally posed about with his stupid gold AK claiming he was going to blow up Israel (fat chance, since he didn't have any means to do it).

Furthermore, the GDP is up 3%? How's the unemployment rate looking? Housing market? Job creation rate?
Economic status isn't just GDP.

Oh, and getting back to Ron Paul:
Gold standard. Anybody and everybody who voted for this buffoon should be punched for countenancing this idiocy.


RE: When in doubt
By pauldovi on 8/1/2008 2:59:45 PM , Rating: 2
Ron Paul does not support returning to the gold standard. He supports allowing private competing currencies with the government.


RE: When in doubt
By Shinei on 8/1/2008 4:56:19 PM , Rating: 1
Paul "wouldn't exactly go back on the gold standard",[151] but instead has pushed to legitimize gold and silver as legal tender and to remove the sales tax on them. (wikipedia)

Private currency would just fragment the economy and bring back wildcatting bullshit; the economy can't take that sort of strain, not with the weakened position it's currently in. Ron Paul was a joke candidate that the internet latched onto because he's completely crazy and it was funny to watch him succeed on the whims of internet fatbodies.


RE: When in doubt
By pauldovi on 8/1/2008 5:45:55 PM , Rating: 2
Allowing for the free trade of gold and silver as well as other competing currencies is not a crazy idea. The crazy idea is restricting it. Allowing individuals to choose what currency they use acts as a check on the federal government. Right now, they can freely inflate the dollar as much as they want to pay for war mongering and social welfare. In the presence of private competing currencies they would not have this power, as everyone would move to other currencies.

With the existence of credit cards and debit cards using many different currencies would not be difficult at all and would not fragment anything.

The economy is weak because the government is spending over 50% of what it makes and printing money to pay for it. Your crazy if you don't understand that.


RE: When in doubt
By Reclaimer77 on 8/1/2008 6:39:05 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
The turnaround in Iraq is more because the citizens are tired of being blown up, so they're turning around and ratting on the insurgents to the troops


And Bush and others have said time and time again this is exactly what we WANT. Iraq's to stand on their own and take control of their country. But face it, they needed help.

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Bin-Laden's not in Iraq, and he's the real perpetrator of 9/11. Hussein was just a chubby idiot who spent most of his time torturing and killing Islamic extremists, and occasionally posed about with his stupid gold AK claiming he was going to blow up Israel (fat chance, since he didn't have any means to do it).
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Bin Laden is one man. Kill him, and then what ? A radical extreemist movement thats thousands of years older than our country is going to just stop ?

Do people honestly believe 911 was " perpetrated " by one guy with a plan ?

What we have done in Afghanistan and Iraq is totally cripple Al Queda's ability to wage terror and carry out their agenda. Just the list of high ranking members that have been killed or captured in Iraq is eye opening.


RE: When in doubt
By Shinei on 8/3/2008 8:52:38 AM , Rating: 2
The reason there were al-Qaeda operatives in Iraq is because we let them in by taking out Hussein. Once the border with Syria went unprotected, they streamed in goddamn droves to "help" the Baathists.
Hussein was an animal, but he only wanted one mad-dog killer group in his country and he wasn't going to goddamn let it be anyone's besides his own.

As for the Iraqis standing on their own, your statement basically says the surge was just for show. If all it took was the Iraqis being tired of being blown up constantly, why send MORE troops in the first place? Wouldn't the result have been achieved with fewer troops and a better-guarded homeland?
I have to admit, I'm not liking the way China and Russia have been looking at the US lately, and I can feel them eyeing all of our troops who aren't anywhere close to our country.

Oh, and regarding bin-Laden: If you want to point fingers and say Iraq "did" or helped perpetrate 9/11, where is bin-Laden? Hiding in Pakistan, the last I checked, with an increasingly belligerent SUPREME OVERLORD GENERAL or whatever his official position is called...

So, again, what purpose did invading Iraq serve? We didn't get "the man", we didn't break any massive terror operations, we didn't even manage to bag any terrorist money (hint: it's all coming from Saudi Arabia)--and you call this a success?
I call it a grievous waste of taxpayer money and military resources, perpetrated by a man bent on settling an old score with a doddering old fool whose biggest threat to the US was farting loud enough for our spies to hear him with a satellite. A little smoke and mirrors to cover up the fact that we lost bin-Laden in the Afghani mountains, and we basically repeated the same mistakes the Russians did in the 80s.


RE: When in doubt
By HsiKai on 7/31/2008 5:23:13 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Be a liberal and offer people crap for free.


I thought that's what the Republicans do, put everything on credit and as soon as they're out of office act like it is the next - or previous - administration's fault? You can't hate people for giving things away for free while also wanting the gov't. to "lower taxes" which is something that Republicans aren't exactly prone to do except for businesses.


RE: When in doubt
By raejae on 8/1/2008 12:03:26 AM , Rating: 2
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The huge majority of this country IS conservative however.


Ummm, no?

I don't think you can make a factual claim that a huge majority of the country leans either direction. The more likely scenario is that most of the country is right in the middle or slightly in one direction or the other; and even then, claiming a huge majority even slightly conservative is a woefully absurd concept, if you care to look at more recent history than a bungled Democratic campaign in 2004.

And then there's the fact that the current two-party system is absolutely inadequate when attempting to find a candidate to identify with when you factor in social vs. fiscal politics. How many millians of people in this country are fiscally conservative but socially liberal, or vice versa?


RE: When in doubt
By Reclaimer77 on 8/1/2008 1:15:32 AM , Rating: 1
There have been endless and endless surveys. I'm not making a claim, I'm repeating others claims.

The huge majority of this country is not only conservative, but Christian as well.


RE: When in doubt
By RedAlice on 8/1/2008 11:29:41 AM , Rating: 2
Really?
I do believe there is a Christian minority in the US, I'm not sure I would believe the majority is conservative.
How about you back this up with some sources?


RE: When in doubt
By mindless1 on 8/1/2008 5:43:27 PM , Rating: 2
Conservatism comes with age. While it's anybody's guess or the poll du jour what the actual numbers are, as people get older they become the controlling members of industry and government.

Basically, the majority of the *important* people are those more conservative. Some might even say those who are liberals are actually conservatives, compared to those more liberal. There are many shades of grey.

As for Christianity, instead of telling us what you believe, shouldn't you have not been so lazy and bothered to look it up yourself? You have the nerve to ask someone else to back it up with sources and yet you didn't bother to back up your statement either. Do you not see the illogical nature of your thoughts?

Anyway, people get to choose what religion they are in Census polls IIRC, and there are various sources like the following, or here's a novel idea - Do your own Google Search.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_by_count...


RE: When in doubt
By bpurkapi on 7/31/2008 12:18:42 PM , Rating: 2
And then John McCain would give us some straight talk about how these jobs are not coming back, vote to increase government oversight of p2p users, and be called a maverick by the media(even though he sticks with the party line at vote time). Face it, all of our candidates for PREZ lack SKILLZ. Another round of voting for the lesser of the evils...


RE: When in doubt
By frobizzle on 7/31/2008 4:14:00 PM , Rating: 2
Jesse Ventura for President!


For the Love of God...
By Ard on 7/31/2008 10:29:40 AM , Rating: 5
Get these whack-jobs out of Congress and the White House. This bill would be the end of fair use and consumer rights as we know it. Some might say that's a bit alarmist but it's a completely realistic assessment. Copyright law should be scaled back, NOT expanded in favor of content creators.




RE: For the Love of God...
By tdawg on 7/31/2008 11:48:57 AM , Rating: 3
This is why we need term limits in Congress. We need to get people in there that are familiar with the current technologies of the world. This bill is similar in stupidity to the congresswoman that proposed the FCC auction off a bandwidth frequency, wht the stiuplation that the winning bidder had to offer free wi-fi internet to the masses. Just shows that Congress doesn't understand business or technology, among other things.


RE: For the Love of God...
By FITCamaro on 7/31/2008 1:51:28 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed. And no more salary for life for Congressmen, Senators, or Presidents. These people hardly need the money to begin with. Plus we need to get rid of these 20-30+ staffs for a single member of Congress. They should get a secretary, an aide, and perhaps someone to handle their press.


RE: For the Love of God...
By frobizzle on 7/31/2008 4:11:13 PM , Rating: 2
You forgot one group that sorely needs term limitations - federal justices and that includes the nine morons on the Supreme Court!


RE: For the Love of God...
By jconan on 8/1/2008 12:53:02 AM , Rating: 2
If someone ran with these ideas for presidency he/she definitely would get elected as long as they solve the economy and other things. However the public chooses their congressman who typically have no idea about technology and the laws that they try to draft. It's time for the tech savvy generation to be in congress.


RE: For the Love of God...
By mindless1 on 8/1/2008 5:50:41 PM , Rating: 2
I'm all for reducing the pork in government but if you reduce their staff to such a minimal level, won't it result in them being even more clueless and ineffective? Granted, being ineffective is sometime the goal we'd like but that comes through others also having all the information needed to know better than to support something wrong.


RE: For the Love of God...
By Spivonious on 7/31/2008 1:57:56 PM , Rating: 2
Totally. I'd be happy with two consecutive terms. After that, you're not really representing anyone but yourself.


RE: For the Love of God...
By FITCamaro on 7/31/2008 1:49:29 PM , Rating: 2
I think we're relatively good with the rules we have now since they're vague enough to not imprison anyone who breaks the rules but tough enough to go after those who are truly the problem.

But yes after reading about this new bill, its insane. Taking people's computers for them ripping their legally bought and paid for DVD collection to disc?


RE: For the Love of God...
By flydian on 7/31/2008 10:41:22 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed.

"...seize property of suspected copyright infringers..."

"...EIPRA would protect American jobs and ward off allegedly severe losses incurred by American industry..."

It's pretty clear what this is about.


RE: For the Love of God...
By flydian on 7/31/2008 10:43:00 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry, the second quote meant to point specifically to

"...ward off allegedly severe losses incurred by American industry..."


RE: For the Love of God...
By jconan on 8/1/2008 7:49:18 PM , Rating: 2
It's a farce the bill doesn't really protect the industry. It's like RIAA claiming that they are suing to protect the industry but all they do is actually pocket the settlement money http://www.nypost.com/seven/02272008/business/infr... . Even more so are the class action suit lawyers who are suing on behalf of the people however those people must show receipt and such. However most people end up throwing their receipt or even getting a chance to prove that they are part of the class action. The lawyers have their addresses from the beginning to tell them they are part of the class action but require proof if they want their part of the share of the legal profiteering.


FUD FUD FUD
By frobizzle on 7/31/2008 11:55:55 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
In a Thursday press conference last week, the bill’s sponsors said EIPRA would protect American jobs and ward off allegedly severe losses incurred by American industry

quote:
… The American auto industry estimates it could hire an additional 200,000 workers if we eliminated the trafficking of counterfeit auto parts.”

If any of this was true, if any of our politicians gave a rat's @ss about preserving American jobs, then the first thing that should be done is toss out NAFTA, CAFTA and all the other so-called free trade agreements.




RE: FUD FUD FUD
By FITCamaro on 7/31/2008 1:53:51 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed with tossing out those free trade agreements. They've done nothing for the US other than put more cheap crap in Walmarts.


RE: FUD FUD FUD
By HsiKai on 7/31/2008 5:28:07 PM , Rating: 2
"Cheap overpriced crap in Walmarts."
I agree completely with this and the parent post. A bit more financial responsibility from our representatives would be great, but complaining about it on the intrawebs doesn't help. People need to get out and do something, unless of course the elected representatives still don't listen.


RE: FUD FUD FUD
By RedAlice on 8/1/2008 11:34:02 AM , Rating: 2
I was always under the impression that Wal-Mart received products from China.

Last I checked, the U.S. doesn't have a free trade agreement with China...


Millions and billions of Trillions of dollars
By Runiteshark on 7/31/2008 11:15:25 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
“American businesses lose $250 billion every year, and we have lost more than 750,000 jobs because of intellectual property theft,” said Democratic co-sponsor Evan Bayh. “


source plz.

What kind of nonsense is this? I can't even quantify how stupid this statement is. Its like a subatomic particle, every time you try and determine its position (in this case, position on the scale-o-stupid) it moves, and generally higher.




RE: Millions and billions of Trillions of dollars
By DM0407 on 7/31/2008 12:02:38 PM , Rating: 2
A politician lie and distort facts? That never happens!

Money = Power

As long as Lobbying(bribing) in Congress is allowed our elected officials will never look out for our best interests.



By Alexstarfire on 7/31/2008 3:39:45 PM , Rating: 2
That should be far more illegal that IP or copyright infringement.


By jconan on 8/1/2008 9:38:11 PM , Rating: 2
when writing papers, a source or reference is mandated. this should be a requirement for politicians who create false facts and figures. that would have been an automatic failure for a paper. sure don't know how politicians get away with it for falsifying facts or substantially exaggerating it.


Really?
By Brainonska511 on 7/31/2008 11:36:12 AM , Rating: 2
Do copyrights really need *more* protection in the US? I thought they were pretty restrictive as it is, especially with laws like the DMCA.




RE: Really?
By Alexstarfire on 7/31/2008 3:44:38 PM , Rating: 2
They really don't. You can already get more jail time for copyright infringement that a murderer or rapist. How stupid does that sound?

They really need to start over with copyright, patent, and IP. There is a reason why so many people end up violating laws.... it's because they can hold on to IP, patents, and copyrights for DECADES even when no one is using it or making money off it. That is just plain wrong.


RE: Really?
By roadrun777 on 8/3/2008 11:44:11 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
They really need to start over with copyright, patent, and IP. There is a reason why so many people end up violating laws.... it's because they can hold on to IP, patents, and copyrights for DECADES even when no one is using it or making money off it. That is just plain wrong.


Exactly! These laws are just a pat on the back for the good job corporate lobbyists are doing, sending funds and gifts to those who make the decision process streamline.
The copyright system is terribly flawed. It was intended to protect the individual from large corporate money, but over the years lobbying and gifts have reformed the laws so that it favors those with the most money. The original founders are screaming from their graves. Bribery, and stalling tactics are used to push patents through for large companies, while completely ignoring patents on file from people who can't afford a long drawn out legal battle.
You never see a philanthropist donating money to defend the individual against frivolous patent litigation unless they partially sign over their rights to patents in dispute.
The whole idea of government was to protect the individual from the institution and to referee corporations, while making sure the interest of the human species is put first.
Now it seems that government has become the right hand of corporations, and the individuals who have sworn to uphold the interests of human rights have instead looked to the interests of their money and their power to keep it.
20 years is enough for a patent, after that is should become the property of each individual permanently.


The Roof is on Fire
By Radnor on 7/31/2008 9:46:39 AM , Rating: 4
In Europe we are already feeling the backlash of these laws.
Hitting counterfeit is one thing. But merging everything together in one law, seems nuts.I guess the next war will be against China,Africa,India then. Everything is made there, and everything is counterfeit.

Of course, this will also give home brewed another meaning. I wonder how foolish is this.

Honestly. Let the muth* burn. Burn, burn muth*.




More stupid anti piracy analogies
By Reclaimer77 on 7/31/2008 10:57:13 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
“If hundreds of our cargo ships were being hijacked on the high seas … there would be a great sense of alarm and unshakable government resolve to act. That, in effect, is what is happening today, yet we are not doing nearly enough to stop it,” said Bayh.


I know simpletons read this and think " Yeah ! Hes got a point! ". But its just another example of stupid analogies and ignorant viewpoints that aren't helping anyone.

First off, jackass, at its core hijacking is a form of VIOLENCE.




By djkrypplephite on 7/31/2008 1:10:32 PM , Rating: 2
Not to mention, something is actually being stolen there.


Yay politicians supporting bills for big business
By kc77 on 7/31/2008 7:44:37 PM , Rating: 2
This is one of the few topics that whether you are a republican or a democrat the ability to zero in on bull crap with this bill is quite easy. These stupid record labels are trying their best to past bills that circumvent the ease of the internet and a technology that handily replaces the records labels prime function, which is ditribution and marketing. The internet has replaced this. Your average kid with a decent paper route can buy the necessarily hardware and software to make his or her own record and distribute it in order to market their own art.




By ICE1966 on 8/2/2008 11:40:20 PM , Rating: 1
It all boils down to money, nothing else. If we continue to elect these sorry ass people to congress, then we can expect nothing more than what we are seeing now.

AS for Ron paul, I'm ok with his points of view and I agree with some of them. but not all. I disagree with him on the war in Iraq. I personally think that we should have completely destroyed the Taliban in afghanistan. We should have totally kicked the shit out of these insurgents in Iraq. I do not agree with this rebuilding shit we do, I say to hell with them, and the shit we destroy. There is no reason why we are not drilling here now except for the worthless environmentalist. They have thier nose stuck into to many places now. the EPA, along with the federal reserve need to be eliminated from this country, along with the United nations. If that happens then we would see things get much better. I know that many of you will not believe this but the most powerful man in this country is not your president, but it's the chairman of the federal reserve. The central banking system we have here is the real terrorist in the country.


o.O
By Evocati on 7/31/2008 3:30:36 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Section 2 of the Computer Crime Enforcement Act (42 U.S.C. 3713) is amended—
(1) in subsection (b), by inserting after ‘‘computer crime’’ each place it appears the following: ‘‘including infringement of copyrighted works over the Internet’’;

"Computer Crime" appears NINE! times in the CCEA. No small modification that.




double screwed
By djc208 on 7/31/2008 5:14:31 PM , Rating: 2
So all these companies throw money and support at politicians to protect their bank acounts at the expense of the people the politican represents. And their solution is to greate some new government organization who's sole purpose is to sort all this out.

So not only does the average guy not stand a chance of understanding the rules if it takes a whole new department to oversee it, but now we also have to pay for that new department via a tax somewhere.

Someone pass the Vasoline, this is going to hurt.




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