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Chinese J-20
Chinese J-20 has been spied performaing taxi tests

The Chinese military is using the money generated by its growing economy to invest heavily in military technology and new weapons systems. China continues to insist that it is not a threat, but many analysts believe the move to beef up its military is an effort to make the U.S. and allies think twice about intervening in any potential future conflict over Taiwan.

One of the new weapons system that China is developing is a new fifth-generation jet fighter aircraft called the J-20. Photos and video of the aircraft have been surfacing over the last month and many of the photos are from what is thought to be a runway taxi test of the prototype. The Pentagon stated previously that it thought China was years away from putting the aircraft into production and getting it into the air.

U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates recently clarified the concerns in the U.S. over the J-20. He noted during a press conference that China "may be somewhat further ahead in the development of the aircraft than our intelligence had earlier predicted."

Gates also said, "They [China] clearly have the potential to put some of our capabilities at risk and we have to pay attention to them, we have to respond appropriately with our own programs."

Another of the weapon systems that has analysts in the U.S. worried is the Chinese missile system capable of taking out an aircraft carrier in one strike. Gates noted at the conference that China was "fairly far along" in the development of the missile system. Taiwan is responding to the increase in Chinese military might with increases in its own arsenal. 

Taiwan has purchased the Patriot PAC-2 air defense missile system and the systems are being upgraded to PAC-3. Taiwan has also installed early warning radar along the coast facing China and developed the Tien Kung 3 missile system that can intercept missiles and aircraft in the air.





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The scary part..
By Stuka on 1/10/2011 11:24:21 AM , Rating: 5
The scariest part, to me, is that they can pay cash for each plane they want. Ours are traded for rainbows and unicorns.

The second scariest part is that our Defense Secretary is stating that China is a threat as he types on his laptop made in China, backlit by his desklamp made in China, sitting in his chair made in China, and talking on his phone made in China. LOL




RE: The scary part..
By bah12 on 1/10/2011 11:56:13 AM , Rating: 3
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The second scariest part is that our Defense Secretary is stating that China is a threat as he types on his laptop made in China, backlit by his desklamp made in China, sitting in his chair made in China, and talking on his phone made in China.
Judging from your post you'd be the first to complain if he had all those things Made in the USA (and thus costing 50% more). Ironically, you'd probably chastise him for overspending, when a made in china chair costs so much less.

I agree with your premesis that we need to invest our money at home, but that issue is far harder to solve. We have spent decades legislating and unionizing our way out of the market, correcting that is no easy feat.


RE: The scary part..
By Pneumothorax on 1/10/2011 12:06:13 PM , Rating: 4
by bah12 on January 10, 2011 at 11:56 AM

"Judging from your post you'd be the first to complain if he had all those things Made in the USA (and thus costing 50% more). Ironically, you'd probably chastise him for overspending, when a made in china chair costs so much less."

But our government is spending "Made in America" prices and getting Chinese crap instead!


RE: The scary part..
By Pneumothorax on 1/10/2011 12:03:13 PM , Rating: 3
That's the thing, if you want a mostly Taiwanese based computer vs. the pretty much all "Made in China" computers these days require you to go back to the times of Athlon XP's!


RE: The scary part..
By niva on 1/10/2011 6:16:10 PM , Rating: 2
Now those were good computers. Actually my old athlon xp system just died prior to the xmas break.


RE: The scary part..
By sorry dog on 1/10/2011 12:02:57 PM , Rating: 2
I dunno about you but if I could buy a few Raptors with Unicorns and Rainbows instead of cash I'd do it.


RE: The scary part..
By sorry dog on 1/10/2011 12:06:58 PM , Rating: 3
..and just remember that China at least partially funded some of those Raptors in exchange for said Unicorn and Rainbow...except they can't see the rainbow for all the smog...


RE: The scary part..
By nafhan on 1/10/2011 12:21:13 PM , Rating: 3
Actually, all the "made in China" stuff is a really good incentive for China to avoid confrontation with the US. The real problem will likely be years down the road once they are rich and their economy is not so dependent upon exporting manufactured goods to the US.


RE: The scary part..
By drycrust3 on 1/10/2011 1:23:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
The scariest part, to me, is that they can pay cash for each plane they want.

If that is what scares you, then you don't know your history very well. What should scare you is that the USA invaded China in 1901 as part of the 8 Army invasion and is still taught in schools in China.


RE: The scary part..
By WalkingDead on 1/11/2011 4:24:59 AM , Rating: 2
Can be blame our invasion of Iraq on the British invaded us during the War of 1812? or the Pearl Harbor?


RE: The scary part..
By superPC on 1/10/11, Rating: 0
Surprised? Really?
By Sazabi19 on 1/10/2011 10:48:51 AM , Rating: 2
A country with virtually no labor laws and a strong military presence in govt and we are "surprised" they are farther along with the project as we though? When the children aren't working on it during the day the adults are working through the night to get these babies up and running. And we don't need stealth air combat superiority... woops?




RE: Surprised? Really?
By TheDoc9 on 1/10/11, Rating: 0
RE: Surprised? Really?
By Sazabi19 on 1/10/2011 11:17:54 AM , Rating: 2
Meh, with all kidding aside they do have a HUGE workforce that they can pay little and make work rediculous hours; It's honestly no wonder the project is this far along. That coupled with the fact that they get money from just about every country in the world (and lets face it U.S., we send plenty of ours their way, not to mention our debt to them) and they have a really nice setup for cranking out stuff at a very nice pace. I think our "intelligence" is slipping.


RE: Surprised? Really?
By CSMR on 1/10/2011 11:55:41 AM , Rating: 5
The threat to Taiwan is deadly serious.


RE: Surprised? Really?
By Pirks on 1/10/11, Rating: -1
RE: Surprised? Really?
By sviola on 1/10/2011 1:29:38 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
China is no Nazi so it should be ok for Americans to swallow, I think.


The problem with that line of though is that back then, when the Nazi's invaded Poland, UK, US and France thought, well, the Nazi's aren't communist, so, this we may be able to swallow this. I guess you know where it went from there... (not that this mean things would scale or that China will eventually invade Taiwan - which honestly, I don't think would bring anything of interest to China, besides uping their ego for geting back their "rebellious child")


RE: Surprised? Really?
By Pirks on 1/10/11, Rating: -1
RE: Surprised? Really?
By ekv on 1/10/2011 4:06:48 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
it'll be super easy for Americans to swallow China's annexation of Taiwan
Taiwan / ROC used to be a close ally of US. We sold them out, for what? Access to a large market? Hah! ask victims of Operation Aurora how well that's turned out.

I remain skeptical of China's intentions (to say the least).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camel's_nose

"In Chinese culture, the 'inch-mile' saying corresponds to the expression ???? (De Long Wang Shu), which is a quotation from the Book of Later Han about a Chinese general who took over Long (now Gansu) only to pursue further southwards into Shu (now Sichuan)."


RE: Surprised? Really?
By Solandri on 1/10/2011 4:45:45 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
Since China is neither commie nor nazi (they are _officially_ commie but in real life no more than modern Russia for instance), besides Taiwanese are just renamed Chinese, with not many serious cultural or ideological differences with modern China.

China's not commie nor nazi, but they're totalitarian. That's enough reason to support Taiwan's independence (so long as Taiwan continues to be democratic).

If Taiwan wishes to become a part of China, it should be because they choose to do so. Not because some totalitarian state bullied them into it.


RE: Surprised? Really?
By Pirks on 1/11/2011 1:48:25 PM , Rating: 2
When this totalitarian state holds all the US debt and possesses enough military might to pwn the US Navy anywhere near Taiwan - then the US will swallow anything. You don't fight with a big heavily armed thug who also happens to be your main creditor.


Plywood mock-up?
By mmcdonalataocdotgov on 1/10/2011 10:53:39 AM , Rating: 2
Might be. The soviets had a good time with that once they realized we had satellite capabilities.




RE: Plywood mock-up?
By Motoman on 1/10/2011 10:57:01 AM , Rating: 2
So did we, setting up fake camps in WWII to throw the Nazis off.

It's always possible that this is a barely-running mockup lumbering about an airstrip somewhere without anything actually inside the impressive-looking bodywork...but: Occam's Razor.


RE: Plywood mock-up?
By BladeVenom on 1/10/2011 3:42:22 PM , Rating: 2
The Chinese didn't steal other countries technology to make plywood mock-ups.


RE: Plywood mock-up?
By JackPack on 1/11/2011 1:30:10 AM , Rating: 2
It made its maiden flight today.

If this thing is made of plywood, then the production version made of titanium and composites will be indestructible.


China needs that plane and more ...
By rvd2008 on 1/10/2011 4:24:37 PM , Rating: 3
to collect the debt which we are going to refuse to pay them back.
Sooner or later.




Sell them out planes
By titanmiller on 1/10/2011 7:29:26 PM , Rating: 2
Why aren't we selling China F-15s, F-16s, and F-18s now? The best way to make friends is to operate the same equipment and train together in exercises like Red Flag.




By fteoath64 on 1/11/2011 5:12:09 AM , Rating: 2
The only reason the US is not at war with Iran already is because of China!. The balance of power is China and Russia (yes, Mr Putin is a real Czar).

SO both Russians and Chinese "deterrents" are working so far and with economic debt of the west, there is not much power there. So much for global stabilization.




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