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Samsung 1TB SpinPoint F1
Seagate and Samsung join Hitachi to make the 1TB desktop drive battlefield a 3-way bout

It is official. The desktop storage market now has three desktop hard drives to choose from with 1TB of capacity. Hitachi's launch beat Seagate to the punch as the 7K1000 series drive began shipping earlier this year but Seagate officially launched its 1TB model in the Barracuda 7200.11 line of desktop drives just recently. Samsung has also entered the mix by launching its 1TB SpinPoint F1 series desktop drive.

Six months ago Seagate confirmed it would launch a 1TB Barracuda hard disk drive in 2007. Seagate was the first to officially unveil a 1TB desktop drive after taking first place with the 750GB 7200.10 Barracuda. However, Hitachi announced its 1TB offering only minutes after Seagate's announcement in January and took advantage of a head start by bringing its product to the market earlier.

Retail 1TB Hard Drive Schedule
Drive Model
Platters / Density Heads
Buffer
Price
Hitachi 1TB DeskStar 7K10005 x 200GB 1032MB
$400
Samsung 1TB SpinPoint F13 x 334GB616MB
$400
Seagate 1TB Barracuda 7200.114 x 250GB 8
32MB
$400

At $400 Hitachi, Samsung, and Seagate will offer hard drive space at roughly $0.39/GB unformatted.  Seagate originally launched its 750GB Barracuda at roughly $0.54/GB.

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RAID 1
By Lord Banshee on 6/19/2007 12:58:06 PM , Rating: 2
If i had big of space depended on one drive i would have to get two and setup a RAID 1 mirror. Can you imagine losing 1TB of info... yikes.. I'm scared with my 320GB drive lol




RE: RAID 1
By masher2 (blog) on 6/19/2007 1:06:26 PM , Rating: 2
RAID is an uptime solution, and doesn't prevent you from losing data. Only a good backup plan can do that. Don't fall into the trap of thinking you're safe because your drives are RAIDed.


RE: RAID 1
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 6/19/2007 1:10:02 PM , Rating: 1
The ironic thing is that when people buy drives to put in RAID, they are usually buying two drives that were built close together. If one fails from a defect, you can almost bet the farm that any drive built around the same time from the same facility will have the same defect and fail soon after anyway.


RE: RAID 1
By 100proof on 6/19/2007 10:47:11 PM , Rating: 2
Kristopher, can you provide some definitive proof backing up the Japanese tech site's claim of a Samsung Spinpoint F1 1TB 334gb/platter drive on the horizon? As I'm writing this now, while browsing Samsung's Press Releases there is no formal announcement acknowledging any such claim. You'll have to forgive me, but Samsung has not been known for their accomplishments in the storage industry. The spinpoint T series managed to finally reach 166gb platter capacities within the past year, and even then actual hard drive performance was far from competing with competing products from Seagate/Maxtor, Hitachi, and Western Digital.


RE: RAID 1
By 100proof on 6/19/2007 11:23:00 PM , Rating: 2
Hmmm, maybe it's not a hoax after all.

320GB
HD321HJ - 8MB
HD322HJ - 16MB

500GB
HD501lJ - 8MB
HD502lJ - 16MB

750GB
HD752LJ - 16MB
HD753LJ - 32MB

1000GB (1TB)
HD102UJ - 16MB
HD103UJ - 32MB

PERFORMANCE SPECIFICATIONS
Read Seek Time (typ.)
-Track to track 0.8 ms
-Average 8.9 ms
-Full Stroke 20 ms
Average Latency 4.17 ms
Rotational Speed2 7,200 rpm
Data Transfer Rate
- Media to/from Buffer (max.) 175 MB/sec
-Buffer to/from Host (max.) 300 MB/sec
Drive Ready Time (typ.) 10 sec


RE: RAID 1
By bhieb on 6/19/2007 1:42:08 PM , Rating: 3
That is true, RAID is not a backup, but at some point backing up everything becomes cost prohibative. Case in point I have a 12 disk 6.8TB box that houses my Movie collection. I have it in a RAID 6 so I would have to loose 3 drives before I could get home, turn it off and order a replacement drive. How do you back something that big up? My only real choice is 6 of these drive @ $2,400 total (actually only about 2.5TB now but you see my point). I own the movies (no ripping off Netflix), so it just boils down to what your time is worth to redo it all over again. The odds of loosing everything is so high I choose not to backup. Short of the house burning down it would be highly unlikely to loose any data.


RE: RAID 1
By bhieb on 6/19/2007 1:44:25 PM , Rating: 2
However I would like to point out tha once these hit the $300 mark I will order at least 3 to backup the current data. I personally ran the CBA (or pain in the a$$ to redo calculation) and another $900 would be work the days it takes to redo all of them.


RE: RAID 1
By masher2 (blog) on 6/19/2007 2:42:38 PM , Rating: 2
> "I have it in a RAID 6 so I would have to loose 3 drives before I could get home, turn it off and order a replacement drive..."

That's not quite true. When a RAID 5/6 array is in recovery mode, its vulnerable to loss of data. If you lose another drive during that lengthy period or if you simply experience a single sector read error, you're going to lose some data.

Since rebuilding two failed discs in a massive array can take many, many hours, the probability of another drive from the same run failing in that window is very real. The read error issue is even worse. True, you only use a file or two in that case, but the chances are very high a large drive is going to have at least one bad sector on it.


RE: RAID 1
By OrSin on 6/19/2007 3:35:23 PM , Rating: 2
You guys must be joking. The chances of lossing 2 driver even from the same batch at the same or even close time is almost non-existant. I have order 240 drivers at once and after 3 1/3 years only 6 have died. And they was weeks aparts for the closest 2.

So but with the price of drive and the price of tape backup systems Raid a very real way to back up. Dont let anyone tell you other wise. It will not save you from a fire but neither will 6 backup tapes stored in the same room. So unless you are doing this for some client it much more reliable, faster and cost effective to raid or backup to another drive.


RE: RAID 1
By masher2 (blog) on 6/19/2007 3:52:09 PM , Rating: 2
> "I have order 240 drivers at once and after 3 1/3 years only 6 have died..."

Google 'bathtub curve' and you'll see why this is meaningless. In another 18 months, those drives will all be at a different point in the curve, and you'll start seeing failures much closer together.

You can get around that by replacing drives long before their useful lifespan is up. But that adds costs too...and it still doesn't protect you from the rare double-failure, nor the far more commmon case of a failure + a read error.

Worse, RAID provides zero protection from application-level data corruption. If an app goes haywire and starts writing bad data to the array, what it overwrote is gone forever. Copy over a file, have a database get corrupted, delete a chunk out of a document then save it-- these are a few of the things backups protect against, but RAID does not.

Raid certainly is "good enough" for many people. But it is not a replacement for backups and it does not prevent data loss. If you have critical data-- back it up. Or you'll eventually lose it.


RE: RAID 1
By Polynikes on 6/19/2007 5:13:21 PM , Rating: 2
I'm glad none of the data I have would really be missed that much.


RE: RAID 1
By spindoc on 6/19/2007 4:23:03 PM , Rating: 3
I can't take it anymore...

lose /luz/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[looz] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, lost, los·ing.
–verb (used with object) 1. to come to be without (something in one's possession or care), through accident, theft, etc., so that there is little or no prospect of recovery: I'm sure I've merely misplaced my hat, not lost it.


RE: RAID 1
By natebsi on 6/19/2007 4:58:09 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
So but with the price of drive and the price of tape backup systems Raid a very real way to back up.


Thats cool, I used to think like you, too....that is, until my Adaptec 8-port SATA card failed, and I lost everything. Well, everything less than the stripe size anyway, which was everything except a few text/doc files.

There are other backup solutions, like online backups, DVD+R, etc, that can provide data protection. Look into them.

RAID is not a backup solution. Period.


RE: RAID 1
By natebsi on 6/19/2007 5:13:49 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
I have order 240 drivers at once and after 3 1/3 years only 6 have died.


And by the way, I'm not accusing you of lying or making up numbers...but has to be some kind of record. I'd have to see it to believe it!


RE: RAID 1
By Fritzr on 6/19/2007 10:33:21 PM , Rating: 2
Multiple failure does occur. One of the BOINC projects (Einstein@Home I think it was) took their servers offline to rebuild after a disk failed in a RAID 6 array. While rebuilding they had a second failure. It can & does happen.

One solution is multiple RAID ... RAID 15, 16 etc. that is a RAID 1 that mirrors RAID 5 or 6 arrays or RAID 5 or 6 arrays that use RAID 1 to mirror their elements. A RAID 15 array requires 3 drive failures including a mirror pair. A RAID 16 array requires 5 drive failures including two mirror pairs. You can go to the extreme of using RAID towers as "Inexpensive disks" in a RAID configured storage cluster.

Of course a controller failure can wipe every drive so you still have a single point of failure that can require restoration from backups.

This can be addressed by having disk writes mirrored to a second controller. Now you're vulnerable to a double controller failure and/or software problems.

Next step is automated incremental backups. Make sure that your backup media is stored redundantly...Not nice to discover the warehouse burned the same night your system failed :P

Nothing is perfect ... go for the level of stability that suits your willingness to rebuild from scratch. The movie server is fine. Vital records that have been electronically created had better have reliable storage & robust backup scheme. Different data sets have different tolerances for total loss.


RE: RAID 1
By HrilL on 6/20/2007 1:34:56 AM , Rating: 2
Yeah I agree with you. One of our servers at work had a drive fail and as we were rebuilding the array another driver failed and all was lost. Good thing we did nightly backups to external drives since tapes just won't do the job when you need to back up 2TB and don't have an auto tape loader.


RE: RAID 1
By DeepBlue1975 on 6/25/2007 10:45:17 AM , Rating: 2
For home users a RAID 1 solution is quite too expensive.
But backuping data to dvd is no great thing, either.
It's easier to loose data stored on a DVD than the probability of 2 hard drives failing soon enough between each other to not give you a chance of getting yourself another couple of drives (and then, sell or store the 2nd one you had and didn't fail)

Nevertheless, if you are going to loose data because of malware or viruses, RAID 1 gives you no protection at all.