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Google recently blanketed its campus with a 1.6 MW installation of solar power, shown here from an aerial view. The company has been very public about its green efforts, yet "The Times" a British newspaper blasted Google for increasing emissions. The newspaper's story revolved around a misquote from a prominent Harvard researcher.  (Source: Google)
Attacks on Google by anti-environmentalists unwarranted, researcher says

Google has always made much ado about its efforts to go green.  The company is calling on America to move to relying entirely on alternative energy, and is leading the way through investment in alternative energy startups.  Google also maintains some of the power-efficient server farms in the world, which help save it money, as well as reducing CO2 emissions.

Thus some were surprised when a recent report The Times of London quoted a prominent Harvard physicist as stating that a Google search generates about 7 grams of carbon dioxide.  The newspaper equated a pair of searches to the carbon dioxide generated by bringing a pot of tea to a boil with fossil fuels.  Harvard researcher Alex Wissner-Gross was quoted as saying, "A Google search has a definite environmental impact."

The only problem was that he never said that.  Reaching out to tech site, TechNewsWorld, Mr. Wissner-Gross points out that his study never mentions Google.  He states, "For some reason, in their story on the study, The Times had an ax to grind with Google.  Our work has nothing to do with Google. Our focus was exclusively on the Web overall, and we found that it takes on average about 20 milligrams of CO2 per second to visit a Web site."

How exactly, then, did The Times get their information for their sensationalist piece?

Mr. Wissner-Gross states, "I have no idea where they got those statistics.  Everything online has a definite environmental impact. I think everybody can agree on that, including Google."

The newspaper attack described Google as "secretive about its energy consumption and carbon footprint".  Google has already blasted back with a blog, in which it states:

We thought it would be helpful to explain why this number is *many* times too high. Google is fast--a typical search returns results in less than 0.2 seconds. Queries vary in degree of difficulty, but for the average query, the servers it touches each work on it for just a few thousandths of a second. Together with other work performed before your search even starts (such as building the search index) this amounts to 0.0003 kWh of energy per search, or 1 kJ. For comparison, the average adult needs about 8000 kJ a day of energy from food, so a Google search uses just about the same amount of energy that your body burns in ten seconds.

Google sits on the board of a new coalition called the Climate Savers Computing Initiative.  The board, which features many prominent members of tech community, pledges to cut power consumption in half by 2010.  Between that initiative and its own internal efforts with alternative energy and green server farms, the attack came as a great surprise and certainly seems unwarranted.

Mr. Wissner-Gross, who manages a site CO2Stats.com, blasted The Times for exploiting his work.  He says that the newspaper twisted his words as a "really easy way to sell papers." 

The Times
has not issued a retraction or comment on the story.



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Twisting for his own benefit?
By mdogs444 on 1/13/2009 11:10:12 AM , Rating: 5
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blasted The Times for exploiting his work. He says that the newspaper twisted his words as a "really easy way to sell papers."

And by putting out headlines in newspapers that suggest anything from 20ft sea rises, to an ice less planet, to whatever other panic inducing global warming hysteria they can come up with aren't "really easy way to sell papers"?

The media today is soulless in the aspect that it will print anything to sell papers. Look how many occurrences of the New York Times put headlines stating things about innocent Iraqi's being killed by US solders, yet they stuck a story about someone receiving the medal of honor on page 19?

It's all agenda, not news, no matter which way they spin it.




RE: Twisting for his own benefit?
By dj LiTh on 1/13/2009 11:21:34 AM , Rating: 3
They are definitely biased. That's what happens when humans are reporting about other humans. At the very least they should be required by law to print a full page retraction telling the readers they misled them, although i'm sure this will be such a common thing that they'll just have a page dedicated to retractions...maybe on page 19


By Master Kenobi (blog) on 1/13/2009 11:25:41 AM , Rating: 5
Last page, instead of a bibliography you will instead have a page of retractions from the previous article.


RE: Twisting for his own benefit?
By MrBlastman on 1/13/2009 12:33:40 PM , Rating: 5
To all the silly hippies out there (and yes the paper is biased):

So what if it generates CO2 to perform a query, search or lookup on the internet (based on another paper - this is not pointed at Google) - who cares?!

If you hippies are really so concerned, perhaps you should think back to where we were in 1985 when it comes to research and learning. Remember that thing called a Card Catalog? Remember how much of a pain in the behind it was to look up information in a library, just to find out you had to have your book transferred from another library to continue your studies(I'm not sure you could even do _that_ back then)?

Now think about how easy it is to spread information and knowledge (along with dis-information). We are at the golden age of knowledge sharing. So we might generate some CO2 - too bad. The global benefit to making knowledge more accessable than has ever been possible in the history of mankind - I believe, negates this. In fact, I'll go so far to say that because of this ability to rapidly learn and share knowledge, it might accelerate our transition into power generation technologies that will solve even this problem...

Might - I so pointedly say, because you, yes you hippies, are so reluctant to use the cleanest form of power we have today - nuclear power, to solve this problem. Perhaps though, if you read my post on the internet while generating CO2, you can take your head out of your plastic bag and breathe in some oxygen so it all sinks in and realize that - viola! The internet has lead to a great new conclusion and nuclear might, just might, be the future.

How's that for hugging your enemy? ;)


RE: Twisting for his own benefit?
By Schrag4 on 1/13/2009 2:20:50 PM , Rating: 3
You would have a much easier time convincing people that technology is good by comparing the amount of CO2 released as an indirect result of several web searches against how much CO2 is released by driving to and from the Library. I'm not taking sides in this post, I'm simply saying there's no debate here...


RE: Twisting for his own benefit?
By Oregonian2 on 1/13/2009 10:16:34 PM , Rating: 2
How about arguing that to be "green" one wants to grow plants. Plants "breathe" CO2, not O2 like we do. So creation of CO2 is pro-green, while reduction of CO2 actually is slowing down plant growth, and is therefore anti-green.

:-)


RE: Twisting for his own benefit?
By Xerstead on 1/14/2009 4:46:01 AM , Rating: 2
Plants do need Oxygen to 'breath'

Plants convert solar energy into a form they can use (sugar/starch) by the process of photosynthisis. This process does result in oxygen being produced.

As this stored energy is used by the plant for growth oxygen is consumed. This is known as respiration. All lifeforms do it.


RE: Twisting for his own benefit?
By phxfreddy on 1/13/2009 11:12:48 PM , Rating: 1
To argue the way you suggest is to accept that global warming is actually a result of mans activity.

How about just saying MMGW is bullshit? Much more to the point I would argue.


RE: Twisting for his own benefit?
By ang sang on 1/14/2009 12:07:40 AM , Rating: 2
Man is obviously cause global warming. You will only believe when your all dead

I feel sorry for you.


RE: Twisting for his own benefit?
By porkpie on 1/14/2009 12:12:11 AM , Rating: 2
Ouch, I feel sorry for your English teacher.


RE: Twisting for his own benefit?
By rcsinfo on 1/13/2009 10:40:42 PM , Rating: 2
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and yes the paper is biased


Absolutely. All newspapers, regardless of their political leanings, are going to have one bias in common - a bias against anything that threatens their cash flow. Internet news is putting a big dent in newspaper readership as well as advertiser dollars - both commercial and classified. Any story that casts aspersions on the competition(or facilitators of competition, such as Google News) is going to be printed on the front page in big letters.

Now lets say someone writes a story about the environmental impact of the daily printing and throwing away of newspapers, including the six hundred thousand copies that the The Times of London prints every day. I would guess that that story would receive a lot more diligent fact checking before publishing and a lot smaller headline.


RE: Twisting for his own benefit?
By spritle on 1/16/2009 3:26:59 PM , Rating: 2
MrBlastman, or MrTakeWhatYouCan:
Nuclear the cleanest? On your own agenda I guess. Where you gonna put your waste. Would you take it in your neighborhood? (seriously, answer that) Might want to look at solar and wind before making that declaration. Also, "hippie" isn't really that slanderous at all, but it seems to give you a rise using it, so go for it. All those biased hippie scientists and researchers out there must be scary for you.


RE: Twisting for his own benefit?
By Suntan on 1/13/2009 1:04:58 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
The media today is soulless in the aspect that it will print anything to sell papers.


No. I actaully think they have convinced themselves that what they print is correct... Which is even worse.

-Suntan


RE: Twisting for his own benefit?
By mdogs444 on 1/13/2009 1:22:32 PM , Rating: 4
That is scary isn't it? That people actually believe this stuff!


RE: Twisting for his own benefit?
By derwin on 1/13/2009 2:57:39 PM , Rating: 3
What is so absurd about that? We all walk around believing ourselves to be as nearly completely correct as possible... And yeah, we all got it wrong. No need to blast they hippies about that. They are not the one's I am worried about thinking they know it all.


RE: Twisting for his own benefit?
By dever on 1/13/2009 3:31:46 PM , Rating: 3
The ones to worry about are those who seek to control the power of force (ie government)... hippies or not.

As mentioned, no one is right. But some, those who desire government positions, get to force their wrongheadedness on everyone else.


RE: Twisting for his own benefit?
By LumbergTech on 1/13/2009 7:17:12 PM , Rating: 2
are you implying that hippies have a significant say in government?

maybe if you use an incredibly broad definition of hippie


RE: Twisting for his own benefit?
By Dreifort on 1/14/2009 8:43:14 AM , Rating: 2
the clintons were once hippies


RE: Twisting for his own benefit?
By dever on 1/14/2009 5:16:49 PM , Rating: 2
Not at all, I'm saying that "hippiedom" is not what you need to look out for... it's the desire for coercive power over others.


RE: Twisting for his own benefit?
By Suntan on 1/13/2009 5:27:03 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
We all walk around believing ourselves to be as nearly completely correct as possible...


Well, there is still a contingent of people that are responsible and insightful enough to acknowledge when they don’t have enough information to make a proper decision on a topic. (Certainly not enough information to decide it is time to completely overall the way humans as a society interact with each other and their surroundings. Which is a rather big change to make.)

As for the news media, they used to put at least a little bit of effort into vetting that they had enough information to responsibly release a story. Now all they do is make sure they have a "source" (they don't even care about the credibility of the source, as long as it can deflect the blame) that they can blame if it turns out they where way off base.

And sometimes they don't even bother with that (See: Dan Rather's "I'm sorry.")

-Suntan


RE: Twisting for his own benefit?
By dnd728 on 1/13/2009 6:02:35 PM , Rating: 2
That is so true. And the British newspapers are absolutely the worst.
In a recent survey only 23% of the British public expressed trust in them.


RE: Twisting for his own benefit?
By kattanna on 1/13/2009 1:28:43 PM , Rating: 3
and the researcher.. didnt twist his own findings to help promote his own going green website that charges money?

http://co2stats.com/

too much a conflict of interest to be publishing work that then magically promotes your own business


By masher2 (blog) on 1/13/2009 2:50:53 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
And by putting out headlines in newspapers that suggest anything from 20ft sea rises, to an ice less planet, to whatever other panic inducing global warming hysteria they can come up with aren't "really easy way to sell papers"?
This issue is more common than you think. Among the many climate scientists that I myself have interviewed, I've heard many relate how, when speaking to other reporters, they've been hung up on when their words didn't sound sufficiently alarming, or completed an interview, only to see the words in print nothing like what they've actually said.


For comparison
By Solandri on 1/13/2009 1:11:22 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
"Our focus was exclusively on the Web overall, and we found that it takes on average about 20 milligrams of CO2 per second to visit a Web site."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide#Human_...

"According to a study by the United States Department of Agriculture, an average person's respiration generates approximately 450 liters (roughly 900 grams) of carbon dioxide per day."

900 grams/day = 10.4 milligrams of CO2 per second just to stay alive

Given that my respiration and heartrate triples with exercise, it would appear that browsing the web is better for the environment than going outside to the big room with the blue ceiling to play.




RE: For comparison
By masher2 (blog) on 1/13/2009 3:00:01 PM , Rating: 1
> "it would appear that browsing the web is better for the environment than going outside to the big room with the blue ceiling to play..."

Actually, considering that CO2 is an essential gas for all life on earth -- it might be better to go exercise after all. :)


RE: For comparison
By foolsgambit11 on 1/13/2009 5:21:55 PM , Rating: 3
Eh. I wrote out and almost posted a paragraph about how duplicitous that statement was. But it's a joke, and it would be funny if it weren't so tired. And I don't want to be such a tightass that I go after jokes.

It is amazing how far off the Times was in their numbers. 7 grams for a search quoted versus .02 grams for a pageview actual. So assuming that Google's searches are equivalent to normal pageviews, that's 1/350th of the quoted emissions. Roughly speaking, The Times thought Google's annual emissions were its daily emissions. Way off.


RE: For comparison
By masher2 (blog) on 1/13/09, Rating: -1
RE: For comparison
By just4U on 1/13/2009 8:38:13 PM , Rating: 2
No don't say stuff like that!!! This could be a good thing. We have a way to stop rabid fanatical enviromental folks from force feeding people their beliefs online now.

I mean really.. think about it! They'd be wracked with guilt just by reading web sites.. (one would hope) but posting .. god imagine the damage to the environment that might do!


RE: For comparison
By Dreifort on 1/14/2009 8:48:56 AM , Rating: 2
citing wikipedia as fact is not the best source.

all wikipedia does is publish what a grop of ppl agree on.
if they wanted to, they could publish the sun revolves around the earth...and if enough wikipedians agreed to, they would leave it as "truth".

then all our kids and grand kids would believe the sun revolved around the earth. because they read it on the internet.

wikipedia is a great tool to finding the source for facts, but don't believe wikipedia itself.


RE: For comparison
By Solandri on 1/14/2009 6:50:42 PM , Rating: 2
If you click through to the wikipedia link, you'll see it has a reference which links to a copy of the USDA article which gave the 900 g/day stat. Just because it's on wikipedia doesn't mean it's automatically unreliable. It's the uncited and unreferenced "facts" you need to be careful of. I make sure numbers I pull off of wiki have references to more or less reputable organizations as sources.


Really?
By LorKha on 1/13/2009 11:12:11 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Mr. Wissner-Gross, who manages a site CO2Stats.com, blasted The Times for exploiting his work. He says that the newspaper twisted his words as a "really easy way to sell papers."


The newspaper industry has always twisted up words to make their articals better.

Did the scientist finally figure that one out?




RE: Really?
By eetnoyer on 1/13/2009 11:48:16 AM , Rating: 2
"The newspaper industry has always twisted up words to make their articles more sensational ."

Fixed.


load of rubbish
By martinrichards23 on 1/13/2009 11:58:56 AM , Rating: 2
It even made it onto the BBC website, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7823387.stm

I could see that it could not possibly be true without doing any calculations, you have to wonder how a journalist and editorial team could actually publish this. Idiots.




RE: load of rubbish
By gsellis on 1/14/2009 8:16:38 AM , Rating: 2
You are forgetting one of the caveats of undergrad. If you can't make it as a psych major, there is always journalism. :P


Check the math
By mcnabney on 1/13/2009 8:42:11 PM , Rating: 3
The fundamental math screw-up by the publisher boggles the mind. Think of it this way:

It takes 4.186 joules of energy to to heat 1 gram of water by 1 degree centigrade. So heating a liter of water from 20 to 100 degrees would require 334,880 joules of energy. That is assuming perfect energy transference.
A typical dual-CPU server might consume a steady 2000 watts of power in both operation and cooling. In one second that server will use 2000 joules (1 watt = 1 joule/second) and probably process something on the order of 200 searches (probably a lot more).
So even using those conservative numbers it still takes over 30,000 times the energy to heat the water than to do the search. Idiots.




Pot to kettle: "You are black."
By overzealot on 1/13/2009 5:35:32 PM , Rating: 2
I found this, not sure how valid but anyhow.
http://teenet.tei.or.th/Knowledge/Paper/carbonfoot...
quote:
The supply chain of the Daily Mirror newspaper, made with 100% UK-recycled newsprint, emits 174g CO2 per final newspaper sold. The average Daily Mirror weighs 182g and has a carbon footprint of 0.95kg CO2 per kg sold

I don't believe I've seen a newspaper publish such findings.




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