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The Governator will defend California's position on violent video game ban to minors

U.S. District Judge Ronald Whyte has ruled California’s 2005 video game law that banned the sale of violent software to minors as unconstitutional.

The law has been stuck in the legal system for the past two years, since it was signed by California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger in October 2005. The law would have gone into effect on January 1, 2006, had Judge Whyte not have issued an injunction just days before the new year blocking the law.

On Monday, Judge Whyte ruled, “The evidence does not establish that video games, because of their interactive nature or otherwise, are any more harmful than violent television, movies, internet sites or other speech-related exposures.”

“The court, although sympathetic to what the legislature sought to do by the Act, finds that the evidence does not establish the required nexus between the legislative concerns about the well-being of minors and the restrictions on speech required by the Act,” read the ruling.

California State Senator Leland Yee, one of the original supporters of the bill, said in a press release, “I am shocked that the Court struck down this common-sense law. AB 1179 worked to empower parents by giving them the ultimate decision over whether or not their children should be playing in a world of violence and murder.”

Yee continued, “We simply cannot trust the industry to regulate itself. I strongly urge the Governor and the Attorney General to appeal this decision to a higher court and to the Supreme Court if necessary until our children are protected from excessively violent video games.”

It appears that Governor Schwarzenegger heard Yee’s cries, and said in another press release that he will appeal the ruling: “I signed this important measure to ensure that parents are involved in determining which video games are appropriate for their children. The bill I signed would require that violent video games be clearly labelled and not be sold to children under 18 years old. Many of these games are made for adults and choosing games that are appropriate for kids should be a decision made by their parents.”

“I will vigorously defend this law and appeal it to the next level,” added Schwarzenegger.



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Going Beyond ESRB or what?
By Cobra Commander on 8/7/2007 10:15:56 AM , Rating: 2
So is this basically whatever the State uhv Caleefornyah deems "violent" or Mature-rated (via ESRB) games?




RE: Going Beyond ESRB or what?
By FITCamaro on 8/7/07, Rating: 0
By masher2 (blog) on 8/7/2007 10:33:03 AM , Rating: 5
> " It's already illegal to sell M rated games to anyone under 17. Same as its illegal to let people under 17 into R rated movies or sell them R-rated DVDs. So theres no need for a California specific law."

No, the ESRB ratings are self-regulatory only. It's not illegal to sell Mature-rated games to minors, though many retailers do have policies which forbid it.


RE: Going Beyond ESRB or what?
By Vanilla Thunder on 8/7/2007 10:36:00 AM , Rating: 2
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It's already illegal to sell M rated games to anyone under 17. Same as its illegal to let people under 17 into R rated movies or sell them R-rated DVDs.


Don't get me wrong. I think this proposal is ridiculous, and I agree with the fact that parents should be more pro-active in these situations. But the sad truth is, rarely does anyone get carded for a movie or CD, much less a game. The 17 year old kid behind the counter could usually care less about your 13 year old buying a GTA game.

Vanilla


RE: Going Beyond ESRB or what?
By BioRebel on 8/7/2007 10:48:42 AM , Rating: 3
Wanna bet? Any Gamestop or EB Games employee that gets caught selling an M rated game to a minor is immediately fired from the company, along with anyone else who was on that shift.


RE: Going Beyond ESRB or what?
By Nightskyre on 8/7/2007 11:12:15 AM , Rating: 5
Actually, I am a Gamestop employee (don't blame me, I started at EB) and the policy is as follows:

Card anyone if you have the slightest doubt. If you sell a game to an underage person, you and your manager are immediately terminated even if s/he is not at the store at that time . If the ESRB sting catches you doing it, they will fine Gamestop $10,000 (How that is enforceable, I'm not sure, but it's not relevant). If you are selling an M rated game, you are required to read off the list of reasons why that game is M rated (off the back). I've had occasions where parents have gone wide-eyed and told me to forget about the sale (though most often they wave and "yeah yeah" me off).

Is it the parents' responsibility to police their kids actions? Absolutely. At least it sometimes works a little to read the back.

I will say, though, it's almost funny when I look a kid square in the face who just got their license and tell them I'm not going to sell them a game. I get the traditional whine "What? Really? Oh, come on..." etc etc. When I see an employee of another retailer selling M rated games to underage kids, I hear the voice of Max Meridius in the back of my head: "Hold the line! Stand fast!"

Sadly, it doesn't work. I should pretend to work for the ESRB.


RE: Going Beyond ESRB or what?
By The Sword 88 on 8/7/2007 11:37:31 AM , Rating: 2
Why does the manager get terminated if you screw up?


By masher2 (blog) on 8/7/2007 11:44:12 AM , Rating: 5
When you're in charge, you're responsible for what happens on your watch.


RE: Going Beyond ESRB or what?
By Grast on 8/7/2007 11:47:05 AM , Rating: 2
It is called responsiblity. The manager is responsible for the store at all times. This ensure the manager hires employees that can be trusted and ensures the manager is properly training their employees.

RESPONSIBILITY..... This is the name of the game in this topic.


RE: Going Beyond ESRB or what?
By Oregonian2 on 8/7/2007 8:30:54 PM , Rating: 2
The company's CEO also is responsible for the store's action, perhaps (s)he should resign when such a sale happens? :-)

Seems like a good way to take out a manager you don't like when you're about to quit anyway due to the manager's "personality".


RE: Going Beyond ESRB or what?
By dude on 8/8/2007 9:29:38 PM , Rating: 2
Unfortunately, this will probably never happen. Only the lower "drones" will have this "rule" affect them.

CEO's are paid to sit back and smile as they rake in their usual 100+ dollars an hour.


RE: Going Beyond ESRB or what?
By blurredvision on 8/7/2007 12:15:18 PM , Rating: 2
As a part time Gamestop employee myself, I wanted to say that what Nightskyre posted is 100% true. However, what I've been told is that you are fired, the store manager is fired, and if there happens to be another manager besides the store manager working at that exact moment, they are fired as well.

It's a completely ridiculous rule IMO, as they can't expect the managers to babysit. If they want to start people out at minimum wage, they can't expect 100% compliance 100% of the time. Again, that's just my opinion, not the opinion of Gamestop themselves.

There are a few parents, though, that will not let their children purchase games after looking at the rating and subsequent reasons. Kudos to those parents, I guess, atleast they understand the system and why it was put into place.


RE: Going Beyond ESRB or what?
By Moishe on 8/7/2007 12:34:06 PM , Rating: 2
Seems like an easy way to get your manager fired if you were wanting to quit anyway... But I think overall it's pretty fair. The responsibility system works well. Managers know that they're butt is in the vise if their employees fail to obey that rule and so they would make an extra tough impression on the employees about that rule. I know I would.


RE: Going Beyond ESRB or what?
By SaintSinner1 on 8/7/2007 1:28:33 PM , Rating: 2
So if the RESPONSIBILITY is the name of the game they should fire person who hire store manager and the more all the way to Gamestop CEO !!!


RE: Going Beyond ESRB or what?
By Moishe on 8/7/2007 2:19:37 PM , Rating: 2
it has to stop somewhere and the store manager is the first person who is responsible.


RE: Going Beyond ESRB or what?
By Spuke on 8/7/2007 3:41:38 PM , Rating: 2
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Managers know that they're butt is in the vise if their employees fail to obey that rule and so they would make an extra tough impression on the employees about that rule.
You can impress all you want but the bottom line is you are at the mercy of your employees. If they feel they want you fired, all they have to do is get caught breaking the rules. And what happens if you're the one that catches them? Are you going to essentially fire yourself? Try explaining that to your wife and kids at home.


RE: Going Beyond ESRB or what?
By Maharajamd on 8/7/2007 12:57:52 PM , Rating: 3
Babysit? The store is like 20x20ft. It shouldn't be too hard lol...


RE: Going Beyond ESRB or what?
By BioRebel on 8/7/2007 12:17:20 PM , Rating: 1
I coulda sworn that anyone else on shift at the time got terminated as well for not saying anything to the person making the sale or something like that. Either way I catch so much fucking flack from 16 year olds just because they cant buy a game.


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