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Samsung HL-S5679W LED DLP
LEDs offer a brighter picture over standard colorwheel and lamp designs

Samsung Electronics has launched its LED-based DLP high-definition television, the HL-S5679, which promises a brighter picture along with a longer life than the standard UHP lamps used in previous models.

The standard Samsung DLP sets used a UHP lamp and a colorwheel to project light onto the tiny mirrors which proved to be bright, beautiful, and effective until the LED idea came along. Samsung showed off its LED based prototypes at trade shows this past year with a brighter, clearer picture made possible with the LED idea as well as reduction in the rainbow effect some of us have noticed with the traditional lamp/colorwheel designs.

The LEDs are set up in an array of 6 LEDs for each of the colors, red, green, and blue totaling 18 LEDs. The LEDs help the television to start up quicker and operate at a cooler temperature while staying quieter during operation. Those of us with the last generation of Samsung's DLPs have noticed the low hum of the mechanics inside the TV which we would rather not have added to our home theater experience.

The HL-S5679 has a native resolution of 1080p as many of the newer sets do now. The life of the LEDs is greatly improved over the UHP lamp at 20,000 hours of use as opposed to 4000-8000 hours. Pricing has been set at $3999 and can be seen listed at various retailers but we shouldn't expect the HL-S5679 to ship before August of this year.


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Hopefully replaceable.
By masher2 (blog) on 7/19/2006 2:33:48 PM , Rating: 3
Hopefully the lighting array is replaceable. 20,000 hours is a bit soon to replace a whole set.




RE: Hopefully replaceable.
By Exodus220 on 7/19/2006 2:45:05 PM , Rating: 2
I figured out that if you watch the set for 4 hours a day then it would last you just over 13 years. That does not seems like a fairly long time to last, but that is if you only watch 4 hours a day, which I never even get close to. By that time technology would probably merit a newer set anyways...heck, with the successors to BluRay or HD-DVD pushing for dominance we would have to upgrade again.


RE: Hopefully replaceable.
By masher2 (blog) on 7/19/2006 3:04:47 PM , Rating: 2
> "that is if you only watch 4 hours a day, which I never even get close to"

Four hours is a lot if you only have one person watching. In a large household though (which I imagine most large-screen DLPs are going into) you get a bit more usage. My rec-room TV gets closer to 6 hours a day...and during the summer and weekend when the kids are home, sometimes 8-10 hours/day.


RE: Hopefully replaceable.
By puffpio on 7/19/2006 3:08:12 PM , Rating: 2
Additionally they are not saying it will die after 20000 hours, but the brightness of the LED's will start to fade after 20000 hours..

so just turn up the brightness! it will last a loooong time


RE: Hopefully replaceable.
By masher2 (blog) on 7/19/2006 3:18:25 PM , Rating: 3
> "Additionally they are not saying it will die after 20000 hours, but the brightness of the LED's will start to fade after 20000 hours.."

No, if they're rated in the same manner as plasmas, then the 20,000 hour figure is the time to half-brightness...technically, their light output begins to fade immediately.

I did read that their 20,000 hour figure is a "conservative" estimate, so perhaps the reliability is actually much higher though.


RE: Hopefully replaceable.
By segagenesis on 7/19/2006 3:01:43 PM , Rating: 2
I'm surprised they even claimed 4000-8000 hours for previous lamp technology. Those lamps even with great care start getting dim around 70% of thier life and thats assuming they dont develop cataracts (I'm serious) when sulfur depoits build up. Then you can expect 10% of original brightness...

That might actually be a good marketing ploy to claim its a replaceable array. Considering the cost of existing bulbs being $200+ and all... an LED version may cost what, $50 at most?


RE: Hopefully replaceable.
By masher2 (blog) on 7/19/2006 3:16:36 PM , Rating: 2
You won't match the lumen output of a UHP bulb with ordinary superbright LEDs, even 18 of them. I don't see this array as being any cheaper than a standard bulb. )(though obviously its longer lifetime equates to lower operating cost).



RE: Hopefully replaceable.
By highlandsun on 7/20/2006 4:27:46 PM , Rating: 2
Certainly not typical "superbright LEDs" - they are most likely using Lumileds' Luxeon Stars. A 3W green LED puts out 80 lumens, so 6 of these will produce 480 lumens. That's plenty bright for a sealed-box RPTV.


RE: Hopefully replaceable.
By masher2 (blog) on 7/20/2006 5:42:49 PM , Rating: 2
> "so 6 of these will produce 480 lumens. That's plenty bright for a sealed-box RPTV."

But 480 lumens is the output of the lighting subsystem, *not* the TV itself. In a standard DLP RPTV, the optics wind up eating 90% the light output.

Working from memory here, but a typical large-screen DLP uses a 100-130w UHP bulb, which is going to be putting out 9000-12000 lumens, of which maybe 900 lumens or so actually winds up on the screen.

The color wheel alone eats up a little more than a third. So right away, this LED version is going to be three times more efficient...but that still would make a 480 lumen illuminator give only a ~150 lumen image. So either they're using brighter LEDs than the Lumiled's you mention, or they've found a way to *substantially* increase the efficiency of the light path.


What Sizes?
By Exodus220 on 7/19/2006 1:19:56 PM , Rating: 2
These sounded rather interesting and I was wondering what the different sizes would be. If they are little then it would not be an investment I would care to spend on, but if they are big enough then could easily justify spending 3 months salary on one. Any information on sizes?




RE: What Sizes?
By TomZ on 7/19/2006 1:22:22 PM , Rating: 4
No offense, but try clicking the links in the article.


RE: What Sizes?
By tuteja1986 on 7/20/2006 4:11:06 AM , Rating: 2
The price :(


Nevermind...
By Exodus220 on 7/19/2006 1:22:49 PM , Rating: 2
I went ahead and clicked on the links provided and found the size information. 56" is a decent size, far bigger than the 32" I have been used to. However, I was under the impression that this was wall mountable, I did not know it was a projection unit. But that is okay still because it isn't too big (I am guessing).


RE: Nevermind...
By Chernobyl68 on 7/19/2006 1:28:58 PM , Rating: 2
DLP's aren't wall mountable but the newer sets are quite thin compared to most rear projection (some DLP's as thin as 8 inches...)
This is the set I think I would buy. DLP is relatively inexpensive compared to most display technology, and with long life LEDs (maybe 10x or longer as the older lamps), low power consumption, and good display size - its got a LOT of what I've been looking for.



RE: Nevermind...
By Aquila76 on 7/19/2006 2:24:01 PM , Rating: 2
90lbs would probably be a little hard to wall mount. ;)

I'm still waiting until my current TV dies, when everything stops using S-Video, or 2010 - whichever comes first. I've had my TV for 16 years and it's running strong. Tech like this is really impressive. I can't wait to see what's available in another 4 years.


RE: Nevermind...
By masher2 (blog) on 7/19/2006 2:30:24 PM , Rating: 2
> "90lbs would probably be a little hard to wall mount. ;) "

Not at all...I've seen 300 lb sets mounted, with the right mount and wall system.

In any case, DLP sets are about as light as an equivalent sized plasma...sometimes lighter. They're just several times thicker, which makes wall mounting not particularly practical.


I wonder if these TVs can display 60fps.
By Staples on 7/20/2006 12:29:01 AM , Rating: 2
According to the website, this TV can take 1080p signals over its HDMI inputs (hopefully that means it will be displayed at 1080p without any modifications). That is nice but all of the past 1080p DLPs have so far been only able to display 30fps. If you input something like a 60fps game input, it would be cut down to 30fps.




RE: I wonder if these TVs can display 60fps.
By Avatar28 on 7/20/2006 12:44:33 AM , Rating: 2
30fps is, I believe, the normal framerate for 1080p is it not?


RE: I wonder if these TVs can display 60fps.
By XtremeM3 on 7/20/2006 3:01:36 AM , Rating: 2
Actually no it's 60fps 1080i is 30.


RE: I wonder if these TVs can display 60fps.
By masher2 (blog) on 7/20/2006 9:20:45 AM , Rating: 2
Incorrect. There is no current broadcast standard for 1080p60...the highest is 30 fps.

1080p material encoded on Blu Ray and HD-DVD disks is 24 fps.


RE: I wonder if these TVs can display 60fps.
By Staples on 7/20/2006 2:37:43 PM , Rating: 2
Well here is the scenario. There are many games on the Xbox 360 which are rendered at 1280x720 and have a solid frame rate of 60fps. Many of the 1080p TVs can only display 30fps no matter what the input resolution is. 720p will be cut to 30fps, 480p will be cut down. If this TV is only capible of displaying 30fps, then I sure as hell would not buy it.


front projectors hopefully?
By danks on 7/19/2006 4:45:43 PM , Rating: 2
i hope some good front projectors start utilizing this technology. would love to upgrade my aging vidikron vision 1 but all these new dlp/lcd units just cant compete.




THE BIGGEST THING MISSED BY THIS ATRICLE IS...
By michal1980 on 7/19/06, Rating: -1
By masher2 (blog) on 7/19/2006 5:55:41 PM , Rating: 2
> "No color wheel = No rainbows.!!!"

It's still a single-chip DLP, so its going to have rainbows, color wheel or no. I assume the LEDs can be driven a lot faster, though, so I imagine the effect will be minimized.


By bob661 on 7/20/2006 1:04:31 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
No color wheel = No rainbows.!!!
Never heard of this before. I guess my TV's ok because I've never seen this.


LED DLP
By drewsup on 7/20/2006 8:47:40 AM , Rating: 2
Does anyone know if you can retro fit these into the last generation of Samsung DLP?? I have a 46 inch DLP and would like the option when the current bulb blows.




RE: LED DLP
By masher2 (blog) on 7/20/2006 9:22:17 AM , Rating: 2
I'm quite sure you cannot. It's more than a different lighting system; it has totally different control circuitry, runs at a much higher frequency, and the color wheel is gone entirely.


By Jellodyne on 7/19/2006 2:19:32 PM , Rating: 2
Headline: Samsung ships them
Body: We don't expect them to ship until August




Games
By edpsx on 7/24/2006 3:11:47 PM , Rating: 2
I know this TV has a "Game Mode" built into one of the features.. not sure if it effects the framerate or just the color scheme/gamma though.




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