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Samsung 256GB SSD with significantly higher performance is now in mass production

The hard drive is still the most popular choice for large amounts of storage on most consumer desktop and notebook computers. The capacity and performance of traditional HDDs is continually improving. On the other side of the ring are SSDs offering more performance at the cost of reduced capacity and significantly higher price.

While reducing the price of an SSD and increasing storage capacity is one way to fuel the migration from HDDs to the SSD, another way is to improve SSD performance to the point that the performance better justifies the price. Samsung has announced that it is now producing 256GB SSDs that offer significantly improved performance compared to previous generation SSDs aimed at the consumer market.

Samsung says that the SSD offers sequential read rates of 220MB/s with sequential write rates of 200MB/s. The SSD can also erase data at 100GBs per minute allowing for faster rewrites.

Samsung's Jim Elliott, VP of memory marketing said in a statement, "While SSD’s have always been touted for their performance, Samsung is turning the storage industry upside down now with an SSD that delivers truly disruptive performance. Getting our exceptionally high performing 256GB SSD in a notebook is analogous to having a 15,000rpm drive, without all of its size, noise, power and heating drawbacks."

Samsung says that the performance increase for the multi-level cell SSD comes courtesy of a new, optimized single platform design including a chip controller, NAND flash, and special drive firmware all developed by Samsung. The drive is energy efficient as well consuming only 1.1 watts of power.

Pricing and availability for the new SSDs are unknown at this time.





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samsung needs a new copy editor
By RamarC on 11/20/2008 12:35:08 PM , Rating: 5
"Samsung is turning the storage industry upside down now with an SSD that delivers truly disruptive performance."

I find power outages, talkative cube-mates, and bad wi-fi connections disruptive. I don't want my hard drive to be disruptive.




By therealnickdanger on 11/20/2008 12:44:09 PM , Rating: 5
Likely "disruptive" to the rest of the industry... but I assume you knew that.

What I'd like to know above all else is how "disruptive" this will be to my bank account.


RE: samsung needs a new copy editor
By the goat on 11/20/2008 12:49:18 PM , Rating: 2
I concur. I'm not sure if the author saying something good about the samsung drive or something bad?


By feraltoad on 11/21/2008 4:28:23 AM , Rating: 4
They are taking some editorial license and paraphrasing him. The VP really said, Our new SSD brings the mother-f*cking ruckus!


RE: samsung needs a new copy editor
By feraltoad on 11/21/2008 4:28:24 AM , Rating: 2
They are taking some editorial license and paraphrasing him. The VP really said, Our new SSD brings the mother-f*cking ruckus!


By feraltoad on 11/21/2008 4:31:11 AM , Rating: 2
Oh snap! DoubleClickOnbuttonitis strikes again.

I'm going to preview this three times to see if is related to that.


RE: samsung needs a new copy editor
By feraltoad on 11/21/2008 4:31:11 AM , Rating: 3
Oh snap! DoubleClickOnbuttonitis strikes again.

I'm going to preview this three times to see if is related to that.


By therealnickdanger on 11/21/2008 8:05:54 AM , Rating: 2
LOL


By therealnickdanger on 11/21/2008 8:06:16 AM , Rating: 2
LOL


RE: samsung needs a new copy editor
By chaos386 on 11/20/2008 1:19:10 PM , Rating: 3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disruptive_technology

quote:
A disruptive technology or disruptive innovation is a term describing a technological innovation, product, or service that uses a "disruptive" strategy, rather than an "evolutionary" or "sustaining" strategy, to overturn the existing dominant technologies or status quo products in a market.


RE: samsung needs a new copy editor
By RamarC on 11/20/2008 2:06:29 PM , Rating: 2
in that context, electric cars should be a disruptive technology for the automotive industry and SSDs could certainly be considered disruptive for the hard drive industry. but a faster SSD is just evolutionary.

still, the whole term is just more co-opting of the english language by marketeers.


RE: samsung needs a new copy editor
By Doormat on 11/21/2008 4:48:27 PM , Rating: 3
still, the whole term is just more co-opting of the english language by marketeers.

Like the media and the word "decimate"


So when is next SATA interface coming out?
By 3DoubleD on 11/20/2008 12:42:09 PM , Rating: 4
This drive is hitting 220 MB/s and the max transfer speed of the SATA interface is currently 300 MB/s. It won't be much longer until the interface begins to limit the drive performance (although there would be few practical real world cases where this would actually be a hindrance).

Even so, when can I have a 128 GB model one for $200? This SSD thing is taking too long!!!




RE: So when is next SATA interface coming out?
By Jasio on 11/20/2008 1:01:05 PM , Rating: 3
Sure, you're right about certain SSD's getting closer to fully saturating the SATA interface -- but we shouldn't worry about it too much. It'll still be a few years before we purchase such drives at reasonable prices and large capacities. It'll be awhile (unfortunately) until we see something like this Samsung 256GB SSD for about $100. But eh? It's progress, so it's good news.


By BZDTemp on 11/20/2008 3:19:38 PM , Rating: 4
The prices of SSD drives does not seam so scary to me. It's only when comparing to current hard drives to look high.

For example the first three hard drives I bought separately all cost about 600 US :-) That was a 400 MB, a 1.0 GB and a 2.1 GB and neither of them could hold a candle to what a 10 US USB stick can do today.

I think SSD drives will be here faster than you expect after all we are talking electronics and not mechanical items. Just try and compare them with what a fast 15,000 rpm disk costs and they already look much better. That of course is server hard ware but a lot of folks are using a 10,000 rpm SATA disk a their boot drive which means paying like 8 or 9 times more per GB than with a 7200 rpm disk.


By tastyratz on 11/20/2008 1:06:00 PM , Rating: 2
agreed.
I desperately want ssd performance but with how fast its progressing I hesitate to upgrade and require a better sticker cost.
I don't need much space for ssd performance, give me a 32gb or 64gb with reliability and speed, and Ill be happy


By mmcdonalataocdotgov on 11/20/2008 1:54:40 PM , Rating: 2
They're still busy milking the early adopters. I think that market will dry up very fast and they will have to start giving these away as premiums to get anyone to buy anything. Their cost is probably much less than an electro-mechnical HDD now anyway. Just forget about them until they are mainstream commodities.


By TomZ on 11/20/2008 2:08:18 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Even so, when can I have a 128 GB model one for $200?

Pretty soon, I would guess. Newegg has a number of 128GB SSDs from different manufacturers for under $300 now. The price is falling pretty quickly.

I would guess this 256GB would be introduced at $500-700 retail and go down from there.


RE: So when is next SATA interface coming out?
By TomZ on 11/20/08, Rating: 0
RE: So when is next SATA interface coming out?
By TomZ on 11/20/2008 2:10:22 PM , Rating: 1
How did that duplicate happen?


RE: So when is next SATA interface coming out?
By tbcpp on 11/20/2008 2:18:20 PM , Rating: 1
A shift in the time-space continuum. It's a fairly common occurrence in the universe as a whole. The odd greatly increase the more often a submit button is depressed by an input device.


RE: So when is next SATA interface coming out?
By TomZ on 11/20/2008 2:21:41 PM , Rating: 2
I only clicked the button once.


RE: So when is next SATA interface coming out?
By twhittet on 11/20/08, Rating: 0
By kensiko on 11/20/2008 7:38:05 PM , Rating: 2
I always need to specify to my parents, when trying to debug from far away, which click to do: double or simple.

I wish one day I won't have to specify it!


RE: So when is next SATA interface coming out?
By Spuke on 11/20/2008 3:37:33 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
I would guess this 256GB would be introduced at $500-700 retail and go down from there.
Prices ARE indeed dropping fast!! I hope to have an 80GB for $150 next year.


By kensiko on 11/20/2008 7:00:57 PM , Rating: 2
New SSD
By Cape Consultant on 11/20/2008 1:31:20 PM , Rating: 2
I want to know do they work on XP and VISTA WITHOUT STUTTERING. And without days of tweaking every little thing? And if so, how? They are still after all MLC drives, which I basically think suck. And they are being foisted off on us as workable solutions when they are really not. I agree, halving the price on the current SLC drives would be good enough for me. Maybe this will have that effect anyways. I also agree, this is taking way too long :) Been waiting ever since I knew these existed, about 15 years :) Dave




RE: New SSD
By SuperFly03 on 11/20/2008 2:13:06 PM , Rating: 3
You do realize the stuttering problem is in the controller not the MLC vs. SLC design right?


RE: New SSD
By Shmak on 11/20/2008 3:48:30 PM , Rating: 5
The question is, do they still use the Jmicron controller. Every brand of MLC drive on the market right now uses this controller from Jmicron except for Intel, whos SSD performance puts them all to shame. As soon as more manufacturers actually decide to DESIGN their own PRODUCTS (bravo for being #2 Samsung) we won't see some real diversity and competition.


RE: New SSD
By srue on 11/20/2008 5:57:30 PM , Rating: 4
From the press release: "The 256GB SSD’s advanced performance can be attributed to a new, optimized, single platform design consisting of a chip controller , NAND flash and special drive firmware all developed by Samsung."

Happily this doesn't use the JMicron controller. And I can't imagine Samsung would make the same mistakes after seeing how JMicron did it.


RE: New SSD
By kensiko on 11/20/2008 7:12:32 PM , Rating: 2
My bet is that future SSD will have more levels, not just 4 voltages levels.


I'd prefer lower prices...
By VaultDweller on 11/20/2008 12:45:49 PM , Rating: 2
This is cool and all, I'll never argue that any kind of progress is a bad thing... but I wish that they'd take a different strategy for fueling migration. Samsung SSDs were already plenty fast, so I'd rather see them lower prices while maintaining the same level of performance.




RE: I'd prefer lower prices...
By bugnguts on 11/20/2008 12:53:59 PM , Rating: 2
Of curse I also payed $450 for a 3870x2 last year up from a 1900xt, and these drives like Intel's will increase system response all across the board not just add a couple fraps in a game.
They start you with a low rating and I guess I am possibly I am a robot. I love DT:)


RE: I'd prefer lower prices...
By afkrotch on 11/20/2008 1:39:00 PM , Rating: 3
Yes, but are you willing to spend $400+ dollars so that your systems has a better response but minor actual performance gains?

Looking at the differences between a Velociraptor and an SSD shows that your games might load faster by a few seconds. Hardly enough to justify it's price tag.

I'm all for SSDs, but lowering costs is what's going to help fuel adoption. Higher adoption, higher monetary gains. More money, more funds towards development. Developments of increase storage, performance, and energy efficiency.

Get yourself into their homes first. Then later you can rob them blind. I'd do something like selling a 200 gig SSD for $100, then create some new 100 gig SSD Ultra Extreme GTX Black Edition that costs $400, but provides like a 10% performance gain over the 200 gig.


RE: I'd prefer lower prices...
By Spuke on 11/20/2008 3:41:43 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Get yourself into their homes first. Then later you can rob them blind.
It never works that way. Why would you expect this to be different? Expensive at first, cheap later (R&D and other investments need to be paid for).


What interface it have?
By nangryo on 11/20/2008 8:55:14 PM , Rating: 2
Is it SATA or PATA, I couldn't find it on the article.
OOT: can anyone point me to a SSD product that have PATA interface, thx.




RE: What interface it have?
By FredEx on 11/21/2008 4:13:10 AM , Rating: 2
You are not going to get the IO speed you need out of an existing PATA to make it worthwhile to go to an SSD.


RE: What interface it have?
By Visual on 11/21/2008 4:26:34 AM , Rating: 2
SATA II obviously. Other protocols don't have that bandwidth.
There are many PATA SSDs, just look at an online shop.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Sub...
OK then, maybe not all that many. From these only one is with sensible price and capacity:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...
But it doesn't look like its speeds are too good... I guess around 30MB/s like the 32GB variant of it here:
http://www.memoryc.com/storage/solidstatedisk.html...
And it might be using the flawed JMicron controller, I don't know.


Benchmarks
By nowayout99 on 11/20/2008 4:53:59 PM , Rating: 2
Benchmarks or GTFO.




RE: Benchmarks
By Omega215D on 11/20/2008 6:43:11 PM , Rating: 2
Pics too or it didn't happen.


Fusion-io
By Zorlac on 11/20/2008 5:13:15 PM , Rating: 2
Whatever happened to the Fusion-io ioXtreme card that is supposed to kill current SSDs?




RE: Fusion-io
By kensiko on 11/20/2008 7:10:22 PM , Rating: 2
It costs too much.


what generation are these new drives?
By RU482 on 11/20/2008 12:40:02 PM , Rating: 2
Are these new drives Gen5 or Gen6?




more like it
By piroroadkill on 11/21/2008 7:32:03 AM , Rating: 2
256GB, that's more like it, I could feasibly use that as my main disk to replace my 250GB RAID1 array.

I'd like two of them in RAID1, just in case failure rates were over-optimistic :P

But I'd want to pay a lot less than the cost they will want for them, naturally. $200 for a 256GB of insane performance and then I'm onboard




SSD 200MB/s
By vladio on 11/22/2008 1:23:28 AM , Rating: 2
Well,well...
It's Not Prime-Time...just yet, but it's Time!
Yes,It will be pricey for some time,
But it's definitely Large-and-Fast enough.
Thank you Samsung!
4vladimir@gmail.com

----- SSD...write at 200MB/s -----
By vladio on 9/18/2008 8:52:13 PM , Rating: 2
Until SSD's can Write data at 200MB/s or More...
it's just on expensive toy.(period)




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