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Wolfgang Hansson (Blog) - November 28, 2007 12:15 PM

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Samsung FPXD Dispaly (Source: Samsung)

New Samsung display technology expected to revolutionize X-ray field

Gamers know that there are few things better for improving the looks of a game than to be able to run it at higher resolutions. The same can be said for home theater fans; the difference between higher resolution HDTV sets and standard sets is readily apparent.

While gamers make due with 30-inch displays, like the Gateway XHD3000, that can push resolutions up to 2560 x 1600, that resolution isn’t enough for some uses. DailyTech reported this month that Toshiba had a new, very expensive, 3840 x 2400 resolution display for use on PCs for medical purposes and other uses.

Samsung electronics announced today a new display that just barely trumps the Toshiba display resolution handily at 3072 x 3072. This display is a flat panel X-ray detector (FPXD) for use in X-ray machines. The uses for the display extend well beyond medical purposes according to Samsung.

Samsung envisions the FPXD display being used in traditional X-ray systems, CAT scan machines, for building inspections and in airport security systems. Perhaps this could be a replacement to the X-ray systems that can see through clothes currently installed in some airports.

Samsung attaches photodiodes to a TFT substrate it produces using a proprietary amorphous silicon technology. Samsung also created an enhancement program that eliminates most digital image noise for high sensitivity uses like diagnostic X-rays in a hospital setting. Samsung says the device will be available worldwide in Q1 2008.

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Handily?

By krotchy on 11/28/2007 12:38:30 PM , Rating: 4

Not to nitpick, because both displays are equally impressive. I just don't agree with the statement:

"Samsung electronics announced today a new display that trumps the Toshiba display resolution handily at 3072 x 3072"

3840x2400 = 9.21 megapixels
3072*3072 = 9.43 megapixels

I dunno .22 megapixels isn't something that is Trumped Handily.

RE: Handily?

By peter7921 on 11/28/2007 12:45:48 PM , Rating: 2

Actually thats exactly what I was thinking, I mean the toshiba
has the higher horizontal resolution and the Samsung has a higher vertical res.

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RE: Handily?

By Nanobaud on 11/28/2007 12:58:39 PM , Rating: 2

Also, It doesn't say whether this Samsung display is color. I haven't interfaced to an x-ray camera in many years, but back when they were grayscale, and that was al they needed to be since the x-ray source is essentially monochromatic. If this display is monochrome, it's 9.4 megapixels doesn't trump 9.2 color megapixels, or even 4 megapixels.

nBd

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RE: Handily?

By Moishe on 11/28/2007 1:02:44 PM , Rating: 2

deep thoughts... by Jack Handily...
"You know when I think when I see the sweet new Toshiba hi-res display? Sweet. Monkeys really CAN fly!"

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RE: Handily?

By Moishe on 11/28/2007 1:03:38 PM , Rating: 2

uh yeah... it's a Samsung display :) Frikkin' Sweet!

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RE: Handily?

By Screwballl on 11/28/2007 2:56:04 PM , Rating: 2

Great, new ad slogans....

"Samsungs gonna pump..... you up"
"only girlie boys won't buy this samsung"

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RE: Handily?

By slacker57 on 11/28/2007 2:32:56 PM , Rating: 5

I don't know if they changed it since you posted, (they must have added "barely" but forgot to take out "handily") but it now reads:

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Samsung electronics announced today a new display that just barely trumps the Toshiba display resolution handily at 3072 x 3072.

...which is even more troubling from a language standpoint. How do you barely trump something handily? That's like, "I barely won the race by a large distance."

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RE: Handily?

By DM0407 on 11/28/2007 3:16:48 PM , Rating: 2

Do you think this will tell the Surgeon when he is operating on the wrong side of the brain?

http://washingtondc.injuryboard.com/wrongful-death...

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RE: Handily?

By glitchc on 11/28/2007 6:46:34 PM , Rating: 2

Not if he has the image flipped :P Sorry, I couldn't resist.

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RE: Handily?

By johanh13 on 11/28/2007 5:08:18 PM , Rating: 2

Another thing, why did they supply a photo of only the edge of the screen? Maybe they are worried the Chinese will reverse-engineeer it?

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RE: Handily?

By Clauzii on 11/28/2007 7:11:50 PM , Rating: 2

Look at the posts by CLeW. And also try the link in the article ;)

It is NOT a display but a X-Ray DETECTOR!

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RE: Handily?

By xxeonn on 11/28/07, Rating: 0

Uh..

By CLeW on 11/28/2007 4:16:47 PM , Rating: 3

Is it just me or is this article a little off??

I read about this elsewhere and, if you read the linked press release, it isn't talking about a display at all. This is an X-Ray detector. It's like how digital cameras replaced analog film with an image sensor.

All it says is that they used TFTs (thin film transistors) when making the thing, not LCDs. It's just a giant digital image sensor, but for X-Rays instead of visible light, so no need to get X-Ray film developed, it's all digital.

Right??

RE: Uh..

By johanh13 on 11/28/2007 5:15:27 PM , Rating: 1

The key words are in the title " display technology ..."

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RE: Uh..

By CLeW on 11/28/2007 6:07:57 PM , Rating: 2

I don't think you understand my point.

The whole article is wrong, including the title and headline.

This is not a screen or a display.

It is an x-ray detector to digitize x-rays instead of using film, nothing else. Read the press release, or the article on Engadget from a day or 2 ago.

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RE: Uh..

By johanh13 on 11/28/2007 6:44:09 PM , Rating: 2

After checking the link: http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/ind...
I know what you mean... "Samsung Electronics Develops Advanced Digital X-ray Detector"

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RE: Uh..

By glitchc on 11/28/2007 6:51:20 PM , Rating: 2

You're absolutely right. I read the link too. It's way off. It's an image sensor, attuned to X-Ray frequencies.

Plus, making a display out of amorphous silicon is a joke. 1) It is an insulator for the most part 2) You cannot control the passage of light in an inherently random molecular structure. Same reason why silicon needs to be purified so carefully before you can make a chip on it. Irregularities are generally called defects.

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I wish this site had more articles like this

By BigToque on 11/28/2007 12:21:57 PM , Rating: 3

I always enjoy hearing about new technology for markets other than the desktop.

RE: I wish this site had more articles like this

By Moishe on 11/28/2007 12:28:27 PM , Rating: 2

I like the fact that this is out so soon... A lot of stuff we hear about have indefinitely distant launch dates!

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RE: I wish this site had more articles like this

By KristopherKubicki

(blog) on 11/28/2007 12:32:46 PM , Rating: 2

I'd love to write about nothing but topics like this -- alas they are few and far between :(

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RE: I wish this site had more articles like this

By Lord 666 on 11/28/2007 12:52:56 PM , Rating: 1

I wish Kris proof read them better though:

"Samsung FPXD Dispaly" as the caption. I only noticed it because it looks like "palsy"

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Oh Oh Oh

By Clauzii on 11/28/2007 11:34:56 PM , Rating: 2

Read this:
http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/ind...

Before making more posts about it being a display...

PS: I would like to bump CLeW to 6 for pointing out first.

RE: Oh Oh Oh

By MatthiasF on 11/29/2007 1:56:14 PM , Rating: 2

I actually mentioned it three hours before CLeW, but for some reason my post sorts to the very bottom.

The special TFT substrate is just the sensor. The sensor signals must be processed to create an image (probably by a computer and software) and than viewed (like any other image on a computer) on a standard display (most likely LCD nowdays).

The confusion is understandable, since TFT substrates are also used inside LCD displays to modify each pixel's color.

What is more remarkable is the fact they'll be available on the market as early as next quarter. Most discoveries like this take years but Samsung has found a way to mass produce already.

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RE: Oh Oh Oh

By Clauzii on 12/3/2007 3:21:37 PM , Rating: 2

Oh, sorry then ;)

I'm not an expert in the "from-prototype-to-product" field but it seems that You make a good point about the "to-market" time. (is it called turnaround in english?). Compared to alot of other inventions it seems pretty fast.

To me it also seems Samsung have become a big player on the international market in recent years. One of the main roleplayers in the flatscreen market, hard-drives (for silent freaks anyway ;), SSD (Solid State Discdrive), cell phones etc.

If it is somehow possible for Samsung to change the detection of X-Rays to detection of a person sitting in front of the screen! :O

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But will Crysis run on it on Max Settings?

By jskirwin on 11/28/2007 12:29:05 PM , Rating: 2

That's the first thing that crossed my mind - then I read it's for medical use.

Bet it wouldn't...

RE: But will Crysis run on it on Max Settings?

By Polynikes on 11/28/2007 12:41:31 PM , Rating: 1

If it could be used with a PC, and Crysis supported such a high resolution, it would "run" Crysis just fine, however the PC would have a hard time running it at a playable framerate, methinks.

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RE: But will Crysis run on it on Max Settings?

By Cygni on 11/28/2007 12:45:04 PM , Rating: 1

Uh, considering its just a display, the only thing keeping any game from playing on it would be finding a video card that supported its resolution. Unfortunately, you are going to have to go into the professional graphics card sector in order to find anything powerful enough to supply that high a resolution. The 8800 GT, for example, maxes out at 2560 x 1600.

Even the top of the line Quadro and FireGL cards on the market max out at around 3840 x 2400.

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sorry gotta do it

By Screwballl on 11/28/2007 12:36:51 PM , Rating: 2

sorry gotta mention it....
so people complain about crysis being laggy at 800x600 yet they buy these large high level displays to play it on?

It would be nice to see how this handles some high speed games.

RE: sorry gotta do it

By Polynikes on 11/28/2007 12:43:03 PM , Rating: 2

I'm sure it would handle them fine, but the PC wouldn't. ;)

I like my 20" widescreen LCD. When it's close it's just as cool as a 30" further away, to me. And the resolution is still pretty high, but not so high it make my games run like crap.

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mmm prototype

By MGSsancho on 11/28/2007 4:43:02 PM , Rating: 2

i can see rework and the blue wires. awesome prototype. they they should have used white or black. since it hides rework. either way, cant wait for this to come to market and give medical pros better tools

Why only 1/2 a photo?

By johanh13 on 11/28/2007 5:12:28 PM , Rating: 2

Why did they only supply a photo of the edge of the screen? Are they worried the Chinese will reverse-engineer it?

meh

By AsicsNow on 11/28/2007 9:54:18 PM , Rating: 2

If its a 30inch monitor, that's not THAT impressive. Pixel densities have been almost good enough to do that in a 30inch monitor since 2002 when I got my 15 inch LCD that was 1600x1200. If anything, it just tells me that the companies haven't really been even really trying at all to push resolutions of screens up at all in recent years with any true effort.

resolution not large enough

By xsdxfire on 11/29/2007 12:03:15 AM , Rating: 2

if this thing is going to find what I am packing the resolution will have to be much higher

This is an x-ray detector and has nothing to do with display at all

By s12033722 on 11/29/2007 9:58:45 AM , Rating: 2

Not only that, but 3k x 3k is nothing new in the FPD world. They have been doing 3k x 3k for over 5 years. I'm much more interested in the noise reduction and seeing where the price point of this detector is. The detectors often go for $40k+.

Square Image

By MatthiasF on 11/28/2007 1:24:57 PM , Rating: 1

If you read the article, it looks like the screen was designed to be directly connected to the X-ray sensor.

So the square resolution might be required to make sure the data sent through isn't skewed, allowing for a more realistic image on screen.