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SpinPoint N2 -- images courtesy PC Watch
Samsung talks about 1.8" HDDs and SSDs

Over the past few weeks, Samsung has been quickly introducing new products in its SpinPoint product family. In early April, the company announced new quiet SpinPoint S166 Series hard disk drives (HDDs) for the desktop market. The company also introduced a new speedy 7200RPM 200GB 2.5" HDD for the enterprise market.

The latest HDDs from Samsung are the new SpinPoint N2 Series drives which feature capacities ranging from 30GB on up to 120GB. Spindle speed is 4,200RPM and cache sizes range from 2MB to 8MB. The drives will be aimed at ultra-portable notebooks, Ultra Mobile PCs (UMPCs) and the portable audio player market -- in other words, be prepared for 120GB iPods and Zunes around the corner.

Despite its vast resources when it comes to flash technology, it's plain to see that the company isn't abandoning the 1.8" HDD market. Storage rival Fujitsu, however, has decided to leave the 1.8" HDD market altogether and focus its energies on flash SSD.

Samsung also provided some market analysis on 1.8" flash SSDs courtesy of DataQuest. Research shows that 1.8" SSDs are currently five times more expensive per gigabyte than 1.8" HDDs. The gap between the two will shrink slowly within the next few years. By 2010, 1.8" SSDs will still be roughly three times more expensive per gigabyte than 1.8" HDDs.

Despite the price differential, storage manufacturers and PC OEMs are pushing forward with 1.8" and 2.5" SSDs. Dell just recently announced that it would be making SanDisk's 32GB 1.8" SSD available to Latitude D420 ($450 option) and Latitude D620 ATG users ($300 option). Dell is also making the drive available as a standalone option for $549.



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iPod
By Macuser89 on 4/25/2007 11:21:59 AM , Rating: 2
I think Apple is waiting to switch the iPod video line over to SSD as soon as SSD's are large enough at decent price. This means they would need a 32 and 64gb SSD. Maybe they could put it in the iPhone's shell without the phone, to make one nice iPod.




RE: iPod
By ObscureCaucasian on 4/25/2007 11:54:20 AM , Rating: 2
32 would probably be good enough for an iPod, the price just needs to come down quite a bit. I wonder what kinda battery life you could get out of a MP3 player w/ a SSD.


RE: iPod
By FITCamaro on 4/25/2007 12:28:35 PM , Rating: 2
Most smaller MP3 players already use flash memory.


RE: iPod
By mindless1 on 4/25/2007 4:50:47 PM , Rating: 2
Quite a bit better than with today's bastardized video players which have more power consumption (including the larger screen).

Generally it all depends on the chosen battery as always. Current trends are only to shrink the battery as much as possible to make a player sleek, instead of making it a mere 2-4mm thicker for 2+ times the current runtime.

Thus the answer is, no matter how much they could improve battery life they won't, players will continue to have horrible battery life because designers and impluse-buy consumers don't think about such things very much.

I say bring back the AA battery types. Put 2 x AA in would be even better, it would actually play for a couple days at a time if the screen power was kept in check. I don't mean to imply YOU would necessarily want the same thing, but that's the great thing about a large market, there can be diversity if only manufacturers recognized many users don't want to have to recharge their player so often nor use expensive proprietary Li-Ion packs.


RE: iPod
By sdsdv10 on 4/26/2007 11:32:49 AM , Rating: 2
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I say bring back the AA battery types.


Sorry, but I don't think this is going to happen. Consumers don't seem to be willing to accept the design compromises involved in adding standard AA batteries to their electronic devices, regardless of how long the runtime would be. The domination of the iPod has shown the average buyer is more concerned about style and ease of use, than elaborate feature sets or long runtimes. There are a handfull of DAP's that use AA's, none of which sell very well (small niche markets). I have noted several people advocating the change back to AA's, but it just isn't going to happen.


RE: iPod
By nafhan on 4/25/2007 12:27:03 PM , Rating: 2
My guess is that this tech won't be used at all in PMP's. It would make more sense to just keep stuffing more flash chips directly into an iPod Nano, Shuffle, etc. rather than adding the cost of a hard drive controller and SATA interface.

The advantage of SSD's is that they can be transparently used in the existing PC environment without any need for software or hardware changes.


RE: iPod
By PandaBear on 4/25/2007 1:05:06 PM , Rating: 2
SATA/PATA interface is not that expensive, and to access nand, you need dedicate silicon and access algorithm too. You are really talking about $0.50 or less in cost difference here.

Flash chips will always cost more in larger end of the capacity, but for small capacity (i.e. <4 GB) there is no point in using HD since it has higher fix cost (i.e. head, PCB, mechanicals, etc).


What about Intel's PCM?
By therealnickdanger on 4/25/2007 10:56:39 AM , Rating: 4
As covered previously by DT:
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6371

Intel is making a lot of promises with its phase-change memory. Faster, longer-lasting, and competitive pricing compared to flash. Intel has been making good on its promises recently...




RE: What about Intel's PCM?
By ObscureCaucasian on 4/25/2007 11:56:10 AM , Rating: 2
We'll have to wait until thats on the market to make comparison now won't we.


By therealnickdanger on 4/25/2007 7:18:01 PM , Rating: 1
Such a pessimist. :P


Hmmm
By ObscureCaucasian on 4/25/2007 10:52:05 AM , Rating: 2
So how long until this thing shows up in an iPod?




RE: Hmmm
By Kurz on 4/25/2007 12:11:42 PM , Rating: 2
Realistically?
Probably a year down the road.


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