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ATIV S could be unveiled at IFA 2012

Samsung may still be in shock over its $1.05B loss to Apple in a U.S. court, but that isn't stopping the company with moving forward with fresh new products. Microsoft's Windows Phone mobile operating system has been treading water in the smartphone space for well over a year, but Samsung is hoping to liven things up with a sleek, fresh entry to the fray.
The Samsung ATIV S features an 8.7mm brushed aluminum chassis and will come packing a 4.8" HD Super AMOLED screen, 1.5GHz dual-core processor, and an 8MP rear camera. For those that actually bother using the front-facing camera, that unit dials in at 1.9MP.

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There will be both 16GB and 32GB models made available to the public, and a microSD slot will also be included if you choose to expand storage on your own. A generous 2300mAh battery is included to ensure that you have enough juice to last through the day.
You can check out more pictures and thoughts on the Samsung ATIV S on the Windows Phone Blog.

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The launch date for Windows Phone 8 will likely be announced next week.

Sources: The Verge, Windows Phone Blog

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By gglenn on 8/29/2012 1:02:34 PM , Rating: 5
Isn't that still the now illegal rectangle-with-rounded-corners form factor?

RE: But
By Manch on 8/29/2012 1:16:38 PM , Rating: 5
It is, but that Windows 8 logo is like a DMZ sign. Apple wont dare to cross that.

RE: But
By DanNeely on 8/29/2012 1:36:51 PM , Rating: 3
... because MS and Apple have a cross licensing deal on mobile patents.

RE: But
By BifurcatedBoat on 8/29/2012 6:31:03 PM , Rating: 5
Because MS is actually much closer to an inventor of the smartphone than Apple, and has plenty of patents related to them, so if MS is interested in making any form of smartphone, Apple has little choice but to let them.

MS began their original OS project for mobile devices (forerunner to Windows CE) in 1990. Most people didn't use them, but there were non-touchscreen Windows-based smartphones available since 2000. My first smartphone was a candybar-style Windows phone that I bought after losing my dumbphone and all of the contacts I had with it.

The major upside for me at that time was being able to sync contacts to my PC, which theoretically would prevent that from happening again.

RE: But
By MadMan007 on 8/29/2012 1:35:27 PM , Rating: 1

RE: But
By Belard on 8/29/2012 1:45:26 PM , Rating: 2
You better check with your monitor display or even your TV set, its rectangle with curved corners too. So Apple may SUE you as well.

RE: But
By Captain Awesome on 8/29/2012 1:55:41 PM , Rating: 2
Uh oh, my HP monitor is in violation of their patent. :O

RE: But
By Manch on 8/29/2012 2:58:54 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, I think Apple is on a roll. I think they're currently trying to take down stone henge, and they are also suing MGM over the use of rectangles in 2001 & 2010. Cease and desist letters have been sent to Lego, their affiliated theme parks and Duplo as well. Lastly they are lobbying teachers unions to make sure kindergardners are only drawing rectangles with sharp edges. If there lobbying efforts pan out, you will no longer be able to buy finished wood planks or panels as there rounded corners may create confusion. Oh, and if you only take one bite of your apple, and an Apple security guard sees it, they may confiscate it since those will be contraband as well.

RE: But
By Belard on 8/29/2012 3:00:57 PM , Rating: 2
They'd also have to sue MGM for making 2001 showing the Astronauts using... *gasp* tablets to watch TV while eating dinner.

RE: But
By Tony Swash on 8/29/12, Rating: -1
RE: But
By StevoLincolnite on 8/29/2012 3:02:52 PM , Rating: 3
In the end the lawsuit may be the best thing for Microsoft, less of a good thing for Google.

Samsung may see it as a way to protect itself against Apple and it's bans, lawsuits, crusades to remove Android et all by adopting Windows 8 across the board.

RE: But
By NellyFromMA on 8/29/2012 3:06:41 PM , Rating: 2
Wow, you don't sound smug AT ALL! So, arranging icons in rows and columns is patented. Wow, thank you for clearing that up, we must ALL feel SO stupid knowing we thought it was about rounded corners!

Arranging rows and columns of icons is clearly PROPRIETARY BUSINESS. What was your point again?

RE: But
By MadMan007 on 8/29/2012 3:17:14 PM , Rating: 2
It's an incredibly visionary invention because they did it ON A SMARTPHONE!!

RE: But
By TakinYourPoints on 8/29/2012 3:08:55 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, Apple actually lost on the "rounded rectangles" thing and lost with the Galaxy Tab (the latter surprised me), but people are gonna keep making the same herp derp points that they are "illegal" because Apple says so

RE: But
By zephyrprime on 8/29/2012 5:38:11 PM , Rating: 2

Apple won the rounded rectangles patent for the Samsung S and Vibrant.

RE: But
By RufusM on 8/29/2012 3:42:25 PM , Rating: 2
Well that makes so much more sense. Of course an icon layout of icons in a grid with static icons below should obviously be patentable. /s

Wait, everyone and their dog did that before Apple.

<Two handed facepalm>

RE: But
By nocturne_81 on 8/30/2012 5:28:00 PM , Rating: 1
Really, this has nothing to do with patents.. it's just a legal means to prove the obvious -- the first Galaxy S series, while maybe not an entire 'knock-off', were obviously designed to mimic the iPhone in order to feed off of it's success. While the phone itself didn't exactly mimic the design and functionality, it intentionally took the same approach as Apple -- simplicity being the key.

The actual patent arguments are ridiculous -- and do indeed signify the many faults of our patent system. I'll admit, Apple was perhaps the first to adopt these obvious designs into a majorly successful commercial product, but they were in no way 'original'. The rectangle argument is ridiculous -- should be thrown out by any court the moment either side tries to bring it up. The 'bounce' animation..? I've seen this in dozens of apps ranging back many years, but first in content rich flash sites back in the early 00's (I actually have a photo gallery I made in flash back in '01 featuring the same 'animation', an idea I admittedly stole after seeing it in many other projects at the time). And the icon layout.. I was part of a project back in '00 or so that ported WinMobile to Casio's extremely cheap BE300 PDA. The cheap touchscreen never worked too well with the start menu and the list format was already the major downside of the default UI; so what did we do..? We created a grid-based icon layout, displaying 5 rows of 3 icons representing installed apps, listed on consecutive pages. I'd like to say we were revolutionaries.. but that'd be ridiculous -- we were admittedly mimicking palm's current implementation (though a bit more elegantly), which was based on the basic idea of displaying icons on a grid that computer ui designers have been doing for nearly 3 decades.

Was the Galaxy S series meant as a knock-off..? I honestly can't see how.. Did Samsung pour over every feature causing the success of the iPhone, intentionally seeking to implement them into their own phones to try to pander to the market that Apple could be credited as creating..? Obviously so (should say, I have two Samsung feature phones right here that are guilty of violating all the mentioned patents -- but lacking android, have not been named in any suit). Is the simple philosophy of embracing the utmost simplicity in designing a product patentable..? I personally think not, otherwise whoever coined the term K.I.S.S. would be suing any successful manufacturer into oblivion..

RE: But
By Jeffk464 on 8/29/2012 4:07:39 PM , Rating: 2
It doesn't say what the dual core processor is but this is the first Windows Phone that looks interesting. Who knows they might actually compete.

RE: But
By Jeffk464 on 8/29/2012 4:10:24 PM , Rating: 2
Of course its not a true contender until it has been rooted or jail broken, not sure about windows phone for this.

Too Big
By Gunbuster on 8/29/2012 2:33:47 PM , Rating: 1
4.8" screen! Too big, I hope T-Mobile has something in mind for those of us without a giant purse or fanny pack...

RE: Too Big
By Cheesew1z69 on 8/29/2012 2:48:04 PM , Rating: 2
It's really not that big...

RE: Too Big
By Jeffk464 on 8/29/2012 4:12:36 PM , Rating: 3
Definitely not to big, I was thrilled with my giant screen on my galaxy nexus until bigger phones came out. The bigger the screen the better in my book, so long as it still fits in jeans pockets and is easily held with one hand.

RE: Too Big
By NellyFromMA on 8/29/2012 3:10:14 PM , Rating: 2
My 4.8 S3 fits inside my regular pocket. I imagine as long as you don't wear skin tight jeans you'll be fine.

RE: Too Big
By Jeffk464 on 8/29/2012 4:13:25 PM , Rating: 2
Yup, I completely forget my galaxy nexus is in my pocket.

RE: Too Big
By Pirks on 8/29/2012 8:38:18 PM , Rating: 2
Not big enough, it should be 5.5" or no WP8 for me ;) I'm spoiled by Galaxy Note. Come on Samesung bring it on, where's you dam' WP8 Note huh??

By Paj on 8/29/2012 12:20:08 PM , Rating: 2
This could be something I would actually consider. I'm currently pretty disappointed with my HTC Sensation, and fell in love with WP7 when I used it.

The only thing holding me back from WP at the moment are the lack of diversity in the hardware, and app selection. The interface, however, is spot on.

RE: Hmm
By Belard on 8/29/2012 1:43:20 PM , Rating: 1
Go to the Google Play store. Do a search on "Launcher 7" - its free. Install it... enjoy.

Does things that WP7/8 doesn't do. Rotate the title orientation, custom colored tiles to specific ones - if you want. So for example, all my tiles are rich blue, but my Phone tile is green.

Been using this for 1.5 years on my Galaxy1.

With ICS on the Atrix HD, I think I'll be using the default UI as its better than 2.x and seems to do what I want.

RE: Hmm
By NellyFromMA on 8/29/2012 3:08:45 PM , Rating: 2
Used Launcher 7 for a month. Was too buggy and immediately felt disconnected from the rest of the phone when doing anything other than interacting directly with the 'launcher 7' screen, IMO. Also, I think the tiles in Win 8 / WP8 do rotate but I could be wrong.

RE: Hmm
By Myrandex on 9/5/2012 12:08:04 PM , Rating: 2
They do not rotate in WP7 on the home screen. Portrait only, like a stock iPhone as well.

RE: Hmm
By Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer on 8/29/2012 2:42:52 PM , Rating: 2
Oh, I'm definitely gonna be considering this if I go Windows Phone 8 for my next phone. Sorry, Nokia, but I want a removable battery.

RE: Hmm
By Moishe on 8/30/2012 4:44:57 PM , Rating: 2
That looks like a pretty nice phone. When my HTC trophy dies or my contract is up, I may try one.

what's missing?
By Captain Awesome on 8/29/2012 12:57:37 PM , Rating: 2
What apps and functionality is WP7 missing?

RE: what's missing?
By Jeffk464 on 8/29/2012 4:15:18 PM , Rating: 2
Thats not really how I look at it, its what does it offer me over Jelly Bean.

RE: what's missing?
By Paj on 8/30/2012 7:17:20 AM , Rating: 2
Its just missing a robust ecosystem in general. Developers are generally developing for Android and iPhone, and ignoring other platforms because it doesn't make sense to spend resources on developing for them - too much overhead for too small a reward.

Anyone who has an app will definitely have an iphone app, and usually an Android one as well. They may have a Blackberry app (although this will change), and then WP is usually last.

RE: what's missing?
By Myrandex on 9/5/2012 12:10:49 PM , Rating: 2
There are plenty of WP7 apps out there. It just depends on what apps you use. With 100,000 available, it is pretty easy to find a good number of nicely created and usable apps. Many big ones are out there on along with other phones too, and I've even read articles about how generally they look and perform better on WP than other platforms.

Looks nice
By andrewaggb on 8/29/2012 4:36:58 PM , Rating: 2
I'm waiting for some WP8 reviews though before I decide on this or another android... or maybe even iphone5.

It can look like an iPhone
By BSMonitor on 8/30/2012 10:46:54 AM , Rating: 2
Because when you turn it on, it looks nothing like iOS. And that was the core of the cross-license agreement.

Microsoft knows ALL about fighting battles in court. I am sure they have more lawyers than most countries.

By sikku on 9/2/2012 2:51:17 PM , Rating: 2
windows 8 phone by HTC also leaked have a look at

Hating my WinPhone7
By Denigrate on 8/29/12, Rating: -1
RE: Hating my WinPhone7
By MadMan007 on 8/29/2012 12:55:40 PM , Rating: 4
What basic functionality is it missing?

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