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While some laud the move as a major success the numbers paint a mixed picture

It's been no secret that Apple has high hopes to inject its Safari browser into the Windows market.  The browser, which Apple CEO Steve Jobs believes the "most innovative browser in the world and the most powerful browser in the world", was packaged as an incongruous pre-checked option in iTunes. This led many users to willing or unwilling install it and led Mozilla's CEO John Lilly to equate it to malware.

Did Apple's gambit work?  The answer depends on how you interpret the numbers.  After holding steadily at a very small market share of about 0.07 percent on Windows computers throughout 2007, in the month of March the browser share jumped to 0.21 percent.  The increase, nearly three-fold could be attributed to two major changes -- the release of the packaged update on March 18, and the release of the latest version of the browser for Windows (the new version is v3.1, previous version was v3.0).

The numbers can be viewed in two ways, really.  If you wanted to perceive a positive trend, you could point out that a mere two tenths of a percent means a couple million customers switched to the browser, due to Windows' vast installed base.  Further, the three-fold growth, if continued, could soon amount to sizeable numbers.

On the other hand, a 0.21 percent market share is still orders of magnitude less than the two dominant Windows browsers, Microsoft's own Internet Explorer, and Mozilla's Firefox browser.  With the iTunes Windows base estimated to be over 100 million, the relatively small install numbers would indicate that most users were unchecking the box, and making a conscious decision not to install Safari.

Safari’s mixed numbers perhaps serve as a reflection of the browser itself.  Some reviews, such as a recent article in PC Magazine, laud the browser as intuitive, fast, and unique.  They point to its ability to use Firefox plugins and its high standards compliance.  However, others are not so flattering, pointing out that Safari has proven the most easily hacked major browser at recent security shows, based on Apple's slow pace of bug fixes. 

Another way of looking at Safari's situation in the market is in terms of reputation.  While the browser itself has earned praise, only a few have commended Apple's tactics of packaging the browser as part of the update.  Apple 2.0's Philip Elmer-DeWitt is among the few who praise the effort, remarking that it "
worked rather well", while citing criticism in passing.  They point out that Apple on April 18 revised the download to be unchecked by default.  Many, like Mozilla's Lilly have offered criticism of the practice.

The controversy is over to some extent now that Apple unchecking the box to install Safari.  While being able to download it from iTunes may increase its numbers in the wild somewhat, continued growth of the browser will hinge on two key factors -- the quality of the browser and public perception.  And as with most topics relating to Apple, the company's success on these two factors will likely depend on whom you ask.



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Safari + Windows = crash
By Screwballl on 5/2/2008 10:18:45 AM , Rating: 5
The reason for the slow adoption is that Safari is, at best, unstable on Windows. If people see an unstable program then they will likely remove it along with any accompanying software (ie iTunes).




RE: Safari + Windows = crash
By TomZ on 5/2/2008 10:30:17 AM , Rating: 4
I'm sure that Jobs would tell us that Safari's stability problems are the fault of Windows, not Safari. :o)


By StevoLincolnite on 5/2/2008 10:41:38 AM , Rating: 3
The idea of using the Firefox plugin's is nice, but considering I have Firefox tweaked with all the plugin's and features I need, Plus with assurance that it is stable and fast and compatible with the pages I view, I won't bother changing, Seriously why try and fix something that isn't broken?

Yes I love you Firefox and I am damn proud of it! Now just send me those booth babes as a "Thanks" in return!


RE: Safari + Windows = crash
By cyyc009 on 5/2/2008 7:02:30 PM , Rating: 2
Of course he would;) But then we Firefox fanboys would retort, "take a look at the Mozilla team and look at how they make Firefox stable on ALL platforms."


RE: Safari + Windows = crash
By BiffRapper on 5/2/2008 12:16:12 PM , Rating: 5
Safari crashes on my Macbook all the time. It isn't isolated to just Windows.

I'd say it is the number one application on the Macbook that crashes.


RE: Safari + Windows = crash
By HrilL on 5/2/2008 12:35:22 PM , Rating: 3
I agree. It crashes on my iPhone all the time too. You are forced to turn it off and back on in order for it to stop crashing. Must be some kind of memory bug.


RE: Safari + Windows = crash
By Flunk on 5/2/2008 2:35:07 PM , Rating: 4
I think the lack of a native Windows interface really hurts Safari too. It has a copy and pasted version of the Mac interface which stands out like a sore thumb in Windows.


RE: Safari + Windows = crash
By mcmilljb on 5/2/2008 8:47:24 PM , Rating: 2
That is Jobs' way of giving us the finger.


RE: Safari + Windows = crash
By hiscross on 5/4/2008 10:30:41 PM , Rating: 2
No, it's Apple telling Windows users their interface is pure crap. Gee what does Apple have to do, buy Microsoft and turn off all windows development to get the world to understand how a good interface really works?


RE: Safari + Windows = crash
By afkrotch on 5/5/2008 1:57:57 PM , Rating: 2
Crap? I think the majority of the world who uses Windows probably beg to differ. I like having my two button mice (guess what Apple uses now, after so many years?). I like having my start menu (oh...stacks. Where did that idea come from?).

I prefer a non-pretty desktop. I turn off the Themes service and change the start menu to classic. Looks more like Win2k after that.


Marketshare measurements
By Suomynona on 5/2/2008 11:18:50 AM , Rating: 2
When they calculate browser marketshare, are they counting (A) the number of installations, (B) the number of people who have a browser set as their default browser, or (C) the number of people who actually prefer a browser? It seems like the numbers could vary pretty significantly depending on the metric. (A) probably wouldn't work because people have multiple browsers, but (B) would probably lead to increases just based on people who always check boxes and always click 'OK'. If they're using (C) for their numbers, then it would actually be relevant and useful information. Does anyone know how they're determining these numbers?




RE: Marketshare measurements
By Screwballl on 5/2/2008 12:07:42 PM , Rating: 2
Most measurements are done by the browser reported visiting key websites.


RE: Marketshare measurements
By Suomynona on 5/2/2008 12:09:35 PM , Rating: 2
So it's sort of a mix of B and C, then. I guess if it's that self-selecting though (because it's based on a limited number of websites), it's a better gauge of trends than percentages anyway.


RE: Marketshare measurements
By glennpratt on 5/2/2008 12:11:41 PM , Rating: 2
They use a better metric then all of those, the actual browser used to browse websites.

A, B and C don't matter, you could still use another browser. Also, A, B and C are almost impossible to measure outside of a survey. Determining the actual browser used can be computed on every page visit, automatically. Now you just need data from a statistically significant number of websites.


RE: Marketshare measurements
By Oregonian2 on 5/2/2008 1:48:34 PM , Rating: 2
Good and bad methodology wise. Some browsers (Opera I think) can/will say that it's some other browser for compatibility sake (if it just says that it's Opera, sites will gag not knowing what to do, but will work fine if it says that it's IE). Not sure if it was Opera, but I remember with some browser being able to set which browser it would claim to be on the web itself.

I've Safari downloaded, but after trying it out over a period of time, I decided I liked it less than IE, Firefox (my #1), and Opera. I liked it more than Netscape 4.7 for site compatibility reasons. Hope I'm not being counted for my download and trial because they don't see my resulting "tossing away".

P.S. - If they work off of particular sites, are they ones that are fairly generic (like Google)? If they pick a site where the site only works well with IE (there are some), the profiles will be distorted. Ditto with others.


RE: Marketshare measurements
By KamiXkaze on 5/3/2008 9:31:00 PM , Rating: 2
Same here tried safari did'nt like it at all back to firefox I went.


RE: Marketshare measurements
By ChoadNamath on 5/2/2008 4:02:08 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Now you just need data from a statistically significant number of websites.


True, but it's still imperfect depending on what sites you're using to collect data. A survey could probably produce just as accurate numbers, but I guess it costs too much to justify.


does this not seem wrong?
By HrilL on 5/2/2008 12:42:57 PM , Rating: 5
I've been getting the apple update thing telling me to install Safari and I have never seen it unchecked. On top of that where is the option to never show this update again? If I don't want it then I don't need to be asked to install it once to twice a month. Even M$ update gives you that option for the updates you don't want. Some of my friends installed it just so it wouldn't ask them to install it anymore. I'm thinking about doing the same since it is quite annoying.

When does NO really mean NO to apple?




RE: does this not seem wrong?
By Screwballl on 5/2/2008 1:32:31 PM , Rating: 2
when you remove all apple products and use something else... like Firefox, Opera, another music provider.


RE: does this not seem wrong?
By afkrotch on 5/5/2008 2:10:31 PM , Rating: 2
When you become an Appletian. They'll throw turtleneck shirts and might mouse into the crowd yelling "The blood of Apple, the body of Apple."

Instead of walking into the crowd for donations, they'll have an Airport Extreme that you can connect to to go to their website and put in your bank account or credit card information to transfer your donation.

If you didn't bring any type of Apple product to connect up, you'll get to rot in the fires of PC damnation.


Hot Babe
By gradoman on 5/2/2008 10:59:50 AM , Rating: 1
All Apple needs to do to attract more people is put a tight tank top on a hot babe!

Great idea, right?!