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The DualShock 3 is the PlayStation 3 controller of the future

Force feedback vibration controllers are nearly within the grasp of North American PlayStation 3 gamers. Announced at last year’s Tokyo Games Show, the DualShock 3 released November 11 in Japan. Gamers elsewhere resorted to import solutions in order to experience the good vibrations not felt since the PlayStation 2 days.

The DualShock 3 will hit U.S. retail on April 15, near the release of Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, which supports rumble feedback. SCEA announced in February that the DualShock 3 will retail at $54.99, or $5 more than the current SIXAXIS controller.

Although Sony appears to have little problem maintaining multiple different SKUs for its consoles, it has no intention of keeping two controller models on the market. Speaking to MTV, a Sony representative said, “Sixaxis will no longer be offered after it’s completely sold through at retail (likely by the summer timeframe).”

One interesting thing to take away from the Sony statement is that a new 40GB PS3 console package will be on its way perhaps as soon as summer. As the current 40GB model includes a SIXAXIS controller, Sony will have to at the very least revise its current bundle to incorporate the newer DualShock 3.

The DualShock 3 controller will be officially a part of new consoles this June, with the introduction of the Metal Gear Solid 4 package which will include the game, 80GB PlayStation 3 and controller.

4/3/08 Update: Gamers are reporting that that local retailers, such as GameStop and Best Buy, have begun receiving early shipments of DualShock 3 controllers and are permitted to sell immediately.

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Sony, How About a Trade In?
By Inkjammer on 4/3/2008 9:22:07 AM , Rating: 5
It'd be nice if Sony offered a trade-in for those of us with a a Sixaxis. Let us trade it in for a reduced cost to upgrade, whatever. I just can't help but feel shunted given Sony's prior stance that "gamers don't want or need rumble" then turning around and introducing it to us like it's something new and magical.

Pay $55, not including taxes, to re-buy what Sony should have given out in the first place? Great.




RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By i3arracuda on 4/3/2008 9:26:55 AM , Rating: 4
Right on!

...does anyone know where I can get a 9800 GX2 for $300?


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By daftrok on 4/3/2008 11:53:39 AM , Rating: 3
Make a time machine and go to 2009.

But about the controller. It isn't meant to fully replace your controller just add to it. Though 55 dollars may seem steep, keep in mind that a wireless 360 controller retails for 50, and it doesn't include a rechargeable battery nor wire; that costs an additional 20 bucks, making it a 70 dollar controller.

I for one wouldn't mind a trade-in, but don't game stores do this already? Like if you give them a controller, don't they give you some store credit you can put into a Dualshock 3?


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By i3arracuda on 4/3/2008 12:13:14 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
...does anyone know where I can get a 9800 GX2 for $300?


quote:

Make a time machine and go to 2009.


Wait, you mean to tell me I have to pay full price for a 9800 GX2?! I already have a 7950 GX2! I'm not paying $600 again, this is bullshit!

I can't believe nVidia has the gall in improve their product and charge a premium for it. Hell, a 8800GT 512 blows my old GX2 out of the water, and it only costs $200!

I demand restitution! Shenanigans!


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By Lightnix on 4/5/2008 9:54:25 PM , Rating: 2
I'm sure I'm not the only one to find it ironic that you're using the term 'improved' in the context of the GeForce 9 series...


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By afkrotch on 4/3/2008 12:42:19 PM , Rating: 2
Ya, it's called GameStop. That or just roll to a pawn shop.


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By i3arracuda on 4/3/2008 1:02:12 PM , Rating: 2
quote:

That or just roll to a pawn shop.


I was looking for an ultra high-end graphics card, not a chainsaw that doesn't work.

'Facetious' must be a word from a dead language, or something.


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By afkrotch on 4/3/2008 1:19:54 PM , Rating: 2
Look at the dotted lines. That was a response to daftrok.


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By i3arracuda on 4/3/08, Rating: -1
RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By afkrotch on 4/3/2008 1:49:56 PM , Rating: 3
Jesus christ, has the basic reading comprehension of Dailytech readers gone way downhill recently?

quote:

quote:
I for one wouldn't mind a trade-in, but don't game stores do this already? Like if you give them a controller, don't they give you some store credit you can put into a Dualshock 3?


Ya, it's called GameStop. That or just roll to a pawn shop.


I really don't see wtf is so difficult to see that. Let me break it down for you some more.

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Ya, it's called GameStop. GameStop is a game store that will take your old controller and provide you with store credit towards the purchase of any item within their store.

That or you can just go to your local pawn shop and sell your old non-rumble Sixaxis controller to receive a small cash sum. With that small cash sum, you can put it towards the purchase of a new Sony Dual Shock 3 controller.


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By daftrok on 4/3/2008 2:19:17 PM , Rating: 2
Its that stupid nVidia comment that's confusing them. But I'm surprised at how pissed people got over the whole rumble thing. Yeah its great its back but they simply COULD NOT have done it at launch. Why? They didn't feel like paying Immersion 150 million bucks just to make your controller shake.

They had bigger fish to fry, like solving the whole battery issue, deal with the laser diode problems, getting some games released. I mean, at least they had the critical things down, like built in hard drive and HDMI out for the Blu ray player and NOT BREAKING.

I say its better late then never. These are the issues they have solved since launch:

1) Rumble Controller
2) All selling consoles have wireless/HDMI out/HDD
3) Dropped price
4) 1080p upscaling of all video, including PS1 and PS2 games
5) Divx support along with other video/audio/picture formats
6) Nearly full support for any USB camera/mouse/keyboard/webcam/external HDD
7) Blu ray 2.0

And now they are fixing the PSN network and will be coming out with Home, hopefully bridging the gap between PSN and XBL.


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By afkrotch on 4/3/2008 2:34:18 PM , Rating: 3
There's also the integration between PSP and PS3.

For my 360, I happen to just lose features. I created a US Xbox Live account and threw in my Microsoft Points, just in time for them to stop allowing those outside the US from downloading TV shows and movies. I ended up having to waste the points on random arcade games.

I prefer the PS3s more open nature, than the Xbox 360s closed nature. Can't even transfer mp3s off a usb key to the hard drive on the 360. That's become pretty moot, since I've gotten a Zune though. My usb key is pretty tiny and required me to pull the faceplate off to get it out or use pliers to pry if out from the back. Would have been nice to throw the mp3s onto the hard drive.


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By i3arracuda on 4/3/2008 2:26:26 PM , Rating: 2
quote:

Jesus christ, has the basic reading comprehension of Dailytech readers gone way downhill recently?


quote:
quote:

I for one wouldn't mind a trade-in, but don't game stores do this already? Like if you give them a controller, don't they give you some store credit you can put into a Dualshock 3?


Ya, it's called GameStop. That or just roll to a pawn shop.


/slowclap

Was that so hard?


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By afkrotch on 4/3/2008 2:36:07 PM , Rating: 2
Apparently for the dimwitted, it was required.


By i3arracuda on 4/3/2008 2:41:07 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, we prefer comments to be written in crayon. They taste better when we lick the screen.

We settle for quotes.


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By deeznuts on 4/3/2008 2:25:59 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Then your comment makes no sense in a contextual sense. I'd direct you to the quote button, but I ran out of bread crumbs.
You should stop dude, you're looking really stupid right now ... Made perfect sense, unless you're new to how forums/threads work and tracking multiple conversations at one time ...

Here are some more crumbs ...


By i3arracuda on 4/3/2008 2:29:27 PM , Rating: 3
quote:

You should stop dude, you're looking really stupid right now ... Made perfect sense, unless you're new to how forums/threads work and tracking multiple conversations at one time ...


Looking stupid? I'm posting to an Internet blog. It's a prerequisite.


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By slacker57 on 4/3/2008 2:55:08 PM , Rating: 4
I don't know. I think the fact that you guys paid so much attention to him makes everybody look bad...


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By afkrotch on 4/3/2008 3:21:38 PM , Rating: 3
Including you. Booyah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By pomaikai on 4/3/2008 9:28:26 AM , Rating: 3
Thats what you get for being an early adopter. Oh wait, PS3 has been out for quite a while now. Maybe you should of waited a couple years until they finally figure out what hardware gamers want. Sorry, couldnt help bush bash them. It seems like all they do is modify the hardware every couple months.


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By afkrotch on 4/3/2008 11:02:42 AM , Rating: 4
Ya, so different from Xbox 360, that has had to modify their hardware every couple of months to fix issues that QC should have found to begin with.

But hey, 3 broken Xbox 360s later and one perfectly fine PS3. So I don't have rumble. Better than having 3 broken PS3s. I can live with $55 for a new controller, which haven't seen a need to bother with rumble.


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By Inkjammer on 4/3/2008 11:04:36 AM , Rating: 2
I'm fully aware of the consequences to being an early adopter. I own over a dozen HD-DVDs. Enough said.

Still, Sony's attitude towards the inclusion of rumble control is what bothers me. For a company to come out and say "You don't need it" and then turn around and say "Yes, you do need it!" is offputtingly stupid.


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By VIAN on 4/3/2008 11:29:55 AM , Rating: 2
Did you expect anything different from Sony?

Rumble is nice, but I love how light the SIXAXIS is.


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By mles1551 on 4/3/2008 12:51:52 PM , Rating: 2
I fully agree about the weight of the SIXAXIS.

I have no use for rumble and even less use for the SIXAXIS motion control, but I love the fact that it doesn't feel like I'm holding a brick while I'm yelling BOOM! Headshot!! at the TV.


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By FITCamaro on 4/3/2008 1:36:22 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
while I'm yelling BOOM! Headshot!! at the TV


You could just not do that and spare the rest of us.


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By rhuarch on 4/3/2008 12:02:48 PM , Rating: 2
I just don't understand why everyone is so mad at Sony. I bought my PS3 about 3 months ago and I am extremely happy with it. Instead of buying too soon I almost waited too long. By the time I was ready to buy, the SKUs with ps2 compatibility had been discontinued and the only place I could get the 80gig new was on Amazon. Right now I am still burning through the last of the PS2 RPGs I hadn't beaten, but the PS3 has become essentially a media PC in our living room. I have ripped all my DVDs to high quality MP4s and keep them on a server running Tversity. now I can watch any movie in my library just by choosing it from a list on my PS3. In addition to movies Tversity streams and transcodes internet videos, so I even watch a lot of my favorite TV shows through the PS3. And I will definitely be buying a Dual shock eventually. Granted I could probably do most of this (minus PS2 compatibility) with a 360 and I will probably get one eventually when they have sorted out their QA issues (there are some really tempting games for the 360) but that is no reason to hate Sony. The PS3 has less than a 1% failure rate while the 360's is around 30%. Not only that but it has come to light that Microsoft knew about the quality problems before they went gold but ignored them to get the one year drop on Sony. Why doesn't anyone ever mention that? The truth is, Sony and Microsoft are both trying to make money, and both chose strategies that involved a certain amount of duplicity, but it seems to me that Microsoft has been much more dishonest than Sony in this generation of consoles.


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By afkrotch on 4/3/2008 12:36:32 PM , Rating: 2
You're quoting old failure rate numbers. The new Falcons aren't so bad. As long as your 360 has HDMI, you'll be good to go, for the most part.

Sony duped you into a non-rumble controller. Microsoft duped you into buying a console with roughly 33% failure rate. (Both at release of course) You pick which one is worse.


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By deeznuts on 4/3/2008 2:30:26 PM , Rating: 2
A non rumble controller that still works I might add ...

Quit cryin everyone, do what I did. Buy a DS3, leave the sixaxis for your friends when they come over. Problem solved. I have 3 controllers. I use one, the DS3 I imported last year, and when friends come over they get the Six.


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By afkrotch on 4/3/2008 2:39:04 PM , Rating: 2
I'll probably get a couple DS3s for those who come over, unless I like the additional weight and it isn't cumbersome to turn off rumble.

I don't like the brick weight of the Xbox 360 controller and I feel the Six is too light. Maybe the DS3 will be the perfect inbetween.


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By Aloonatic on 4/3/08, Rating: 0
RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By Aloonatic on 4/3/08, Rating: 0
By TheSpaniard on 4/3/2008 9:43:31 AM , Rating: 2
well Im a launch owner... *hug*

don't worry :) things can only get better.... right?


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By Hiawa23 on 4/3/2008 9:47:17 AM , Rating: 2
not that anyone really cares, but for the record my TVs a Z series Tosh :-s

Whilst I'm here, is there a support group for early adopters of the PS3?

I need somewhere where i can stand up and say;

"my name's Aloonatic and I bought a PS3 near release"

then get a hug of the person next to me. They are the only people who understand my pain :)

i'm still taking it a day at a time :-s

utter nonsense & really not worth repsonding to..

I uderstand about the lawsuit, but don't come out & say no one wants rumble or it's so last gen, then come out now like it's something new & worthy of $54.


By i3arracuda on 4/3/2008 9:48:41 AM , Rating: 1
No one is forcing you to buy it.


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By Aloonatic on 4/3/2008 9:51:59 AM , Rating: 2
i agree with you on all counts, yet you still responded :-s

you really should try to lighten up a bit.

my comment was only a light hearted on and not worth getting too vexed about :)

i got a hug for you too if you want one?


By TheSpaniard on 4/3/2008 9:54:00 AM , Rating: 2
I think he might have wanted to respond to me further down the page...


By TheSpaniard on 4/3/2008 9:52:10 AM , Rating: 2
their plan might have been to overlook rumble and then everyone kicked and screamed until they said ok...

god damn sony is retarded! they should have played fair from the begining and this wouldn't have been a problem


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By afkrotch on 4/3/2008 11:51:20 AM , Rating: 4
Back in the day when the Xbox 360 had a 33% failure rate? Ya, think you'd be singing a different tune, if you purchased a 360 back in the day.

Course not sure exactly what you feel about getting ripped off with? Please explain.

Back in the day I bought a 360 Premium and PS3. Both bought in Jan 06.

360 Premium ($288 USD)
controller
headset
20 gig hdd
remote
non-HD capable cables (go figure that one)

PS3 60 gig ($411 USD)
controller
60 gig hdd
memory card readers
wireless ethernet
HDMI
non-HD capable cables (again...go figure)

Both of mine are Japanese models, bought while I was living in Japan. So significantly lower cost for me. The PS3 has a higher price, but hey. Has wireless and a blu-ray drive.

I know I sure as hell didn't get anything from Microsoft the multiple times they created new revisions. Didn't get a new 360 when they swapped to a quieter dvd-rom drive. Didn't get one when they did it again. No new one when they updated the heatsink design. Nor when they added HDMI. They never made any new changes to their controllers (cept color or skin), so why'd they send you a new controller is beyond me.

Not sure why you think Sony is letting you down on being an early adopter. Shoot the 1st 60 gig model has more functionality than the current 80 gig models. Also almost 2 years of use on the current controller. I sure as hell wouldn't give you any money or a free controller. Now maybe if you bought a controller or PS3 console within the announcment of the Dual Shock 3, I would provide a step-up program for a replacement controller or a cost savings.

Would also replace Sixaxis controllers that have broken and are in for warranty replacement with a new Dual Shock 3.

Anyone who thinks Sony should up and give ppl a new controller after almost 2 years of use and still works fine is a moron. Should a car company replace everyone's currently working car cause a new model comes out? Dumbest thing I have heard today.


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By daftrok on 4/3/2008 11:57:37 AM , Rating: 2
The Playstation 3 was released in Japan on November 11, 2006. Perhaps you mean Jan 2007? Or did you mean January 6th of this year?


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By afkrotch on 4/3/2008 12:10:37 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry about that. I meant Jan 2007. I bought it because of the release of Armored Core 4. Bought the 360 for the release of Idolm@ster.

Yes, I'm the type of person who will buy a console just for a game. Shoot, in Feb 2008, I bought a US 360 for Eternal Sonata. I was hoping it would have been one of those regionally unlocked type of games, but nope.

Looking at replacing my Japanese 360. I still fear the failure rates, as it's only a 2nd revision model. Looking at the newer HMDI ones, as the US 360 with HDMI seems fairly stable.

But, when your 360 looks like this...
http://www.afkrotch.com/Random_Pics/?d=/360%20Modd...
It's a big decision to swap and have to remod.


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By poothedrew on 4/3/2008 1:08:12 PM , Rating: 2
"Non HD-Capable cables" ?

My 360 came with component cables each cable carries 400 lines of resolution. Me thinks 1200 lines is HD but hey that's me.


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By afkrotch on 4/3/2008 1:35:47 PM , Rating: 2
My 360 Premium (Japanese) came with composite cables and it won't allow me to put it on 720p or higher. My 2nd 360 Core (Japanese) had composite. My 3rd 360 Blue Dragon Edition (Japanese) had composite. My 4th 360 Arcade (USA) had composite.

Maybe the Premium in the states were always using those composite/component hybrid cables, I don't know. All I know is I forked out another $40 for the VGA cables cause those composite suck.


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By FITCamaro on 4/3/2008 1:47:17 PM , Rating: 1
Premium systems come with composite and component cables. Which are capable of carrying a 1080p signal. Your TV is to blame for not allowing HD resolutions over analog connections.


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By afkrotch on 4/3/2008 2:07:36 PM , Rating: 2
My TV supports 1080i and has done so with my 360 Arcade (over HDMI and VGA) and PS3 (over component and HDMI). It's just that my Premium came with composite cables which aren't hybrid like the Premium models in the states. I also did not receive any component cables.

But thanks for thinking you know everything about every make/model/configuration of Xbox 360 SKUs for the varying countries around the world.

Also my TV happens to display my Xbox in 1080i over the VGA cables (aka an analog connection).


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By poothedrew on 4/3/2008 2:24:13 PM , Rating: 2
Ya figured their must be some international issues with packaging when you talked about the origin of your machine.

Which is dumb a Premium should be the same everywhere. But companies are still stupid to the fact the people will talk about these things and get pissed off.


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By afkrotch on 4/3/2008 2:48:33 PM , Rating: 2
Ya, was annoyed when I popped it open, connected it all up and no HD. Sure, could have gotten a US 360 Premium like my friends, but at double the cost and no way to play the game I originally purchased the 360 for.

Idolm@ster was costing me 200 yen a play (500 yen for 3 plays) at the arcade. Each play is roughly 4-5 mins. It's 1000 yen to start playing the game or to create a new idol. So $288 for the 360, 7500 yen for the game, and $50 for the Xbox Live Gold was worth the cost savings of driving 45 mins to the arcade (Tokyo traffic is killer) and then paying to play. Still ended up hitting the arcade though. My old arcade idols still needed some loving.


By poothedrew on 4/3/2008 1:47:50 PM , Rating: 2
My Premium (Canadian) came with with component, HD out of the box.

Tough luck for you.


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By glitchc on 4/3/2008 5:03:52 PM , Rating: 1
You bought a PS3 two months after release (Jan 07) for $411??

I call bullshit.


RE: Sony, How About a Trade In?
By deeznuts on 4/3/2008 2:28:04 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah well, guess what, it's business, get used to it. MS told us HDMI wasn't needed, but it gave it to us anyway. Sony does it. Nintendo does it. If you want to game, deal with it.

Your old controller works still, btw. And if you want trade it, well this is the internet make your own trade in. They sold you a working controller, and it still works. Trade-ins are a luxury, not a right. Craiglist, forums, and ebay await you.


Only Sony
By anonymo on 4/3/08, Rating: 0
RE: Only Sony
By TheSpaniard on 4/3/2008 9:38:46 AM , Rating: 2
did you forget the lawsuit? they couldn't realease it at launch... solution? delay the PS3 another year OR ship without rumble

although maybe with the year delay = upgrade to the graphics card? the world may never know


RE: Only Sony
By FITCamaro on 4/3/2008 1:45:22 PM , Rating: 2
3rd option. Launch without rumble and not tell everyone its an outdated feature that no one wants and that it won't work with the motion control. That's the beef. They weren't honest. Pure and simple.

As far as the Crapbox 720 comment below, I wasn't aware Microsoft had released the next Xbox yet. And I'll hug my RRoD when I actually get one. So far my Xbox has been rock solid for hours on end of gameplay.


RE: Only Sony
By deeznuts on 4/3/2008 2:39:14 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
3rd option. Launch without rumble and not tell everyone its an outdated feature that no one wants and that it won't work with the motion control. That's the beef. They weren't honest. Pure and simple.


Similar to the thing you're hugging, MS 360, when MS said HDMI and 1080p is not needed ...


RE: Only Sony
By chick0n on 4/3/2008 11:42:41 AM , Rating: 2
Better than Crapbox 720

They released that garbage even tho they KNOW that there will be a problem.

Good job go hug ur RRoD moron.


RE: Only Sony
By rhuarch on 4/3/2008 12:16:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Only Sony could put out a product that they knew no one wanted, wait a year to fix the blunder and still find a way to make a tidy profit on it. Thanks for continually buying into the crap fanboys.


And only Microsoft could put out an inferior product with major bugs and over a 30% failure rate, release new versions that don't fix the problems and still capture huge market share just because it came out earlier and has more software titles available. Oh wait, that's pretty much been the Microsoft strategy since day one.


RE: Only Sony
By afkrotch on 4/3/2008 12:26:33 PM , Rating: 2
QFT


RE: Only Sony
By poothedrew on 4/3/2008 1:23:28 PM , Rating: 2
My personal irony is that I have had a 360 for over a year now and after 5 weeks my PS3 packed it in and can't read discs.

Oh well no BD for poo.


RE: Only Sony
By afkrotch on 4/3/2008 1:44:23 PM , Rating: 2
Congratulations. You have bad luck. You are part of the estimated 0.2% of those with a defective PS3. Much better than the old 33% of Xbox 360 users.

SquareTrade currently estimates the Xbox 360 at 16.4% failure rate. Course this is combining all models of 360, old or new. Couldn't find any studies into just the Falcon.


RE: Only Sony
By poothedrew on 4/3/2008 1:56:39 PM , Rating: 2
I agree.

I like both consoles. They both have their plusses.

The build quality of the 360 is just plain terrible, the game drive feels like it will come apart at any moment.
Games awesome, XBL great and media great.

The PS3 is a very elegant machine. I am very impressed with the audio output much much better for playing movies than the 360. The quality is outstanding.

But what would you expect?

MS HW sucks software good.
Sony HW rocks software bad.

Each box is a reflection of their respective companies core strengths.

Go figure.

PS I like the achievements that was brilliant MS.


RE: Only Sony
By afkrotch on 4/3/2008 2:59:50 PM , Rating: 2
I have both and enjoy both. My PS3 gets more love, because of the blu-ray player aspects. Aside from that, I've been lucky in the fact that game releases that I'd want happen to skip between the two consoles.

One month, new PS3 game I want. Next month, new 360 game I want. After that, new PS3 game.

I don't mind Sony's software. The XMB is a great interface. Prefer it over the Xbox's interface. Now their respective marketplaces, Xbox has got Sony beat. Hands down.

I think Microsoft could work on making more frequent updates and integrating more Microsoft products with the 360. Imagine being able to play Halo 3 with a Microsoft wireless keyboard, the latest Sidewinder mouse, and have your Zune as a HUD radar.

The achievements was a brilliant idea on MS's part. My friend is an achievement whore and will buy any game just to unlock the achievements on it to increase their gamer score. Don't know how many times I've heard "God this game sucks, but I only have 1 more achievements to unlock."

He actually spent like 4-5 hours on Dead Rising to get the 24000 something zombie kills achievement.


RE: Only Sony
By poothedrew on 4/3/2008 5:05:33 PM , Rating: 2
PS3 BD Lossless audio = LOVE

:)


Will you guys ever be happy?
By Chaser on 4/3/2008 10:19:06 AM , Rating: 2
Hey Sony don't ever add new features and improvements. Someone might be dragged to Walmart and be forced to buy your product.




RE: Will you guys ever be happy?
By akugami on 4/3/2008 10:51:12 AM , Rating: 2
I think the dissatisfaction is with Sony's lies and that the Dual Shock 3 controller could have been in place from day 1 if not for Sony being sued for patent infringement.

It's not like the PS3 cost them $150-200. It cost many people $400-500 and still costs at least $300.

I was one of those critical of Sony's PS3 and still do not have one but I feel that maybe at the end of the year I will finally get one. I still feel PO'ed that I'll likely have to buy a 4th PS2 to replace the three broken one if I want to play my old games.


By i3arracuda on 4/3/2008 11:21:14 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I think the dissatisfaction is with Sony's lies and that the Dual Shock 3 controller could have been in place from day 1 if not for Sony being sued for patent infringement.

It's not like the PS3 cost them $150-200. It cost many people $400-500 and still costs at least $300.


And yet, those people still chose to buy one. Despite a lack of titles, despite a lack of rumble, people still chose to spend $600+ on a PS3 at launch.

Should they get a $100 rebate check from Sony, since they slashed the price so soon after release? Should they get a new DS3 as a trade-in for their old SIXAXIS?

Should Sony replace all my HD-DVD titles?

Reading the comments to this article, apparently so. Personal accountability is dead. We (Americans) live in the land of the free and the home of the handout, and no one is willing to go to bed without dessert.


RE: Will you guys ever be happy?
By FITCamaro on 4/3/2008 12:19:46 PM , Rating: 3
No its more from them saying "rumble isn't important and no one wants it". If they had simply said "We are not legally able to produce a controller with rumble" it would have been fine. But they acted like it was some last gen feature that no one wanted.

Then they tried to make the case that because of the tilt controls, rumble wouldn't work with the controller. Nintendo showed they were lying there too.

Now they're like "HEY! We've got this amazing new controller with rumble! Come rebuy all your controllers again to get it."

That's why people are pissed. Because first we were told we didn't want it or need it, then that it wasn't possible, and now that its a new feature.


RE: Will you guys ever be happy?
By afkrotch on 4/3/2008 12:24:22 PM , Rating: 1
And ppl would still be pissed even if they didn't say anything about it. We live in a society where ppl just complain over the dumbest things. 6 bit vs 8 bit monitors on Apple anyone?


RE: Will you guys ever be happy?
By FITCamaro on 4/3/2008 1:38:00 PM , Rating: 2
Actually that is a big thing. A lot of graphics professionals use Macs and need colors to be reproduced accurately. A 6-bit vs. 8-bit panel is a big deal to them. Now they're not lying that it can display millions of colors. They're just using tricks to get it to do it instead of the monitor actually being able to do it natively.


RE: Will you guys ever be happy?
By afkrotch on 4/3/2008 2:23:59 PM , Rating: 2
Advanced dithering will take care of that. As there wasn't a massive outcry, then it wasn't a massive problem.


RE: Will you guys ever be happy?
By Chaser on 4/3/2008 1:00:04 PM , Rating: 2
They got a wireless, motion sensitive controller instead that many CHOSE to buy. But Sony listened to their customers and has made the vitally important rumble feature available for those that would die without it. But that doesn't make the Six Axis's unusable. Those that bought now have a choice. And I am sure there would be those that would compalin had there never been Rumble controllers. And there are also after market controllers by Logitech.

This sounds just like the same thing about BD Live and how people complained about that. Some people will never be satisfied.


RE: Will you guys ever be happy?
By afkrotch on 4/3/2008 12:21:34 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
It's not like the PS3 cost them $150-200. It cost many people $400-500 and still costs at least $300.


Ya, when it came out, it cost Sony like $800 to make the PS3s and sell them for $200 off that price. It's cheaper to produce a PS3 now, but Sony still sells them below their manufacture costs. Something along the lines of $2.65 billion dollars lost for last fiscal year.

So exactly how is $300 a bad price compared to it's possible $800 price tag to manufacture?

Microsoft no longer sells their Xbox 360 at a loss and hasn't since about 4-5 months after the release of the Xbox 360. Much like Sony, game division is still in the red.


By FITCamaro on 4/3/2008 1:41:46 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Microsoft no longer sells their Xbox 360 at a loss and hasn't since about 4-5 months after the release of the Xbox 360.


You have no way to possibly know that. Are they taking as big a loss as Sony does? Most likely not. But that doesn't mean they're making money off the console sale as Nintendo is.

And where the hell do you see the PS3 for sale at $300. It's $400 for the 40GB model.


This is fine
By BansheeX on 4/3/2008 11:37:15 AM , Rating: 2
I like the sixaxis for its lightness. Last fall, amazon had a sale where they were $20 a piece and I got four of them for a mere $80. That was a good deal and we may see clearance deals for them again. And upgrading to a dualshock controller only means that the sixaxis will be relegated for friends when they come over. Most people just don't stand to lose with this.




RE: This is fine
By michal1980 on 4/3/08, Rating: 0
RE: This is fine
By afkrotch on 4/3/2008 12:32:14 PM , Rating: 2
What I hate is the price of the Xbox 360 controller. $60 for a AA battery using controller. WTF is that? It's $80 if you buy the controller with rechargeable battery and play/charge cable.

Prefer the $50 price tag for the PS3 controller and another $5 for a USB cable. That or use the multiple non-proprietary USB standard cables from my other devices. One of my PS3 controllers uses the usb cable from my digicam, since I use the memory card reader in my comp or in my PS3 to pull down pictures.


RE: This is fine
By poothedrew on 4/3/2008 2:35:07 PM , Rating: 2
There are advantages and disadvantages to both approaches.

I have 4 controllers but one play and charge kit and extra batteries so the cost is spread over them all.

But, when my controller dies I can just pull a charged battery out of another controller and still be in my game. If I take it to a buddies how I can just use regular batteries.

The removable batter concept is nice, and from my experience lasts longer than the sixaxis.

I really don’t like the weight and feel of the sixaxis I find the 360 controller MUCH more ergonomic especially for shooters. I like the heft. But I really like how Sony has made everything USB not proprietary.


RE: This is fine
By afkrotch on 4/3/2008 3:20:08 PM , Rating: 2
I have 4 wireless 360 controllers and 2 wired (bad designed early version 360s has me with extra wired controllers, extra power bricks, and extra consoles), and it gets costly to buy the play and charge kit and batteries. When I'm gaming alone, I just grab another controller and play away. I keep them all connected to my server, so they are always charged.

Oddly enough my PS3 controllers are connected to my 360 to stay charged. That way I don't have to reach behind to get them off my server.

Been wondering contemplating using my spare AC Zune power adapter and connecting a USB hub to it and connect all my controllers to that. If it'd push enough power out.

For me 360 is too heavy, Six too light. Hope Sony implements rumble the same way as on the 360. Where you turn it off through the OS and not in each game setting saves.


RE: This is fine
By AlphaVirus on 4/3/2008 3:40:37 PM , Rating: 2
You can probably find this somewhere on the interwebs, does the PS3's sixaxis or 360's remote last longer? I guess it would really depend on what type of battery you use in the 360 remote.

The main thing I like about the sixaxis over the 360mote is that you can charge at anytime, anywhere, no matter what. You can play a game, watch a movie, playing music, etc and you can just tap the PS3 button to check the status of the battery charge. I have seen some rechargeable battery stations that show recharge progress but its more of a guessing game.

Also it gets confusing when you bring your 360mote to a friends house, and you want to make sure you leave out with your 'good' batteries. Everyone has to open the battery pack and compare and its just an added step that you soon forget with the sixaxis. I do not know whos sixaxis I have at my house since they are all 99% similar.


RE: This is fine
By Ashrac on 4/3/2008 12:28:05 PM , Rating: 2
I'm with you. I don't even like rumble, and again, I love how light the sixaxis is, even compared to the old ps2 ones.

I had a logitech wireless ps2 controller, and that thing was heavy! Took 4 or 6 AA batteries, and even without them, it weighed a ton.


Don't really like 6axis & not paying $54
By Hiawa23 on 4/3/2008 9:28:54 AM , Rating: 2
I have the original 6axis & really hate the controller. The 1/2 assed triggers & ths motion controls I just don't need, & surely not paying $54 for something that should have been in the original, but hats off to Sony for finally getting the vibration controllers ready in the US. I will continue to use my Hori controller. Another thing, Sony should release a patch so that if you prefer to use your PS2 controllers for PS3 games they also should vibrate.




RE: Don't really like 6axis & not paying $54
By Vertigo101 on 4/3/2008 9:55:10 AM , Rating: 2
I believe that there are several adapter that allow you to use your Dualshock on the PS3, and unless I've severely misread, vibration is usable through them.

This conversation is a year old, but it's been thoroughly investigated.

http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=69164

There's some good info there.


RE: Don't really like 6axis & not paying $54
By Hiawa23 on 4/3/2008 11:46:47 AM , Rating: 2
I believe that there are several adapter that allow you to use your Dualshock on the PS3, and unless I've severely misread, vibration is usable through them.

This conversation is a year old, but it's been thoroughly investigated.

http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=69164

There's some good info there.

you must have misread, cause even with the adapters, which I have one, the PS2 controller doesn't vibrate when playing PS3 games...


By afkrotch on 4/3/2008 11:58:22 AM , Rating: 2
If the game lacks coding for the vibration, it's all a moot point. Sure Sony could create a patch for a product that's not created by Sony for old PS2 games. Sounds like a great idea for Sony or a great idea for another company to sue Sony's pants off for some type of infrigement.

Doubt Sony or Microsoft will ever create an adapter to utilize their old controller hardware for their new hardware. Doesn't make much business sense when they're both trying to push their new products.


By Vertigo101 on 4/3/2008 1:50:22 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
you must have misread, cause even with the adapters, which I have one, the PS2 controller doesn't vibrate when playing PS3 games...


That's purely up to the developers. For instance, they added rumble into Resistance. Works great.


Next, add rubber grips and call it the dualshock 4
By MrX8503 on 4/3/2008 3:23:45 PM , Rating: 2
Honestly Sony couldn't design a controller to save their life. How old is this controller design? 10years? They should offer a partial trade in or something.




By afkrotch on 4/3/2008 5:01:38 PM , Rating: 2
They've stuck with a design that works well. I've enjoyed every year since the original dual analog came out.

Sure, the controller is small for some, but you have to remember the type of company Sony is. It's Japanese, so they'll build around their own consumers before others.

I have small hands, so I love the controllers.


By tallcool1 on 4/4/2008 12:45:31 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Honestly Sony couldn't design a controller to save their life. How old is this controller design? 10years?
The design of the wheel has been working out pretty good for a much longer time. Same goes for the gas pedal.

As far as getting a partial trade or whatever, see my other post.

Have a nice day.


bloat
By Tilmitt on 4/3/2008 11:33:40 AM , Rating: 3
I'm glad I got a SIXAXIS while I could, the last thing I want is a much heavier controller with a "feature" that annoys me. I'm very surprised how people can find a vibrating controller as adding to immersion. For me it just reminds me that I'm playing a game. In fact I would go as far as to say it's ridiculous, a huge explosion goes off on screen and this controller starts chimping out in your hands sending an unpleasant sensation up your arms and generally distracting you from all the cool stuff in the game.

However in saying that since you can turn off vibration, this wouldn't be an issue for me except that adding this "feature" makes the controller way heavier. Thankfully I have a SIXAXIS and this won't affect me when playing my own PS3. Still I sigh at the world continuing down the path of bloated products, be they software or hardware or anything really. Bloatware wins again today. Why must we cripple ourselves with "features"?




RE: bloat
By aos007 on 4/3/2008 1:49:48 PM , Rating: 3
Agreed. Rumble is less than a useless feature to me as well, in fact it is a undesirable feature. I can see it useful for a handful of games (e.g. driving) but for action games it is VERY annoying and perhaps even not healthy. I had to drop my Xbox controller in GRAW(2) every time the character gets into the truck as it was impossible to keep holding onto horrendously shaking thing (I was starting to feel sick to my stomach) and that's just one example.

Not to mention, Sony lost the patent war, they should've just sticked to not using rumble at all instead of wasting tens of millions on licensing the tech after already losing over 100 million on fines. Don't they have any pride?


Much ado about nothing...
By LordConrad on 4/3/2008 11:44:03 AM , Rating: 2
What's the big deal about rumble? Personally, I can't stand rumble and find it highly distracting. The SIXAXIS was a nice change because I didn't have to check that the rumble was off every time I started a game. Too bad Sony can't continue the SIXAXIS. Looks like I'll need to stock up on controllers or go back to checking the rumble settings.

One vote against Sony for adding rumble.




RE: Much ado about nothing...
By ghostpos on 4/3/2008 1:34:30 PM , Rating: 2
Couldn't have said it better. It's rumble folks, not a big deal.


By LatinMessiah on 4/5/2008 3:34:42 AM , Rating: 2
The six-axis is buggy as hell. Rumble will make it better since it will mimic the XBOX 360 controller. PS3 needs all the help they can get.


6axis no longer supported?
By wallijonn on 4/3/2008 2:59:59 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
“Sixaxis will no longer be offered after it’s completely sold through at retail (likely by the summer timeframe).”


Two current games which have now automatically become obsolete:

Uncharted: Drake's Adventure
Ratchet & Clank: Future Tools of Destruction




RE: 6axis no longer supported?
By isorfir on 4/3/2008 3:22:02 PM , Rating: 2
Um, the SIXAXIS motion control is included in the DUALSHOCK 3, if that's what you're referring to.


RE: 6axis no longer supported?
By afkrotch on 4/3/2008 3:25:04 PM , Rating: 2
How so? It's not like the Six is completely gone and all it's features are implemented in the DS3. Not like Sony is going to just up and create a new firmware that makes it so the Six doesn't work on the PS3.


You are not entitled to anything!
By tallcool1 on 4/3/2008 12:17:24 PM , Rating: 3
If you bought a system or controller that came without rumble, then you purchased it knowing the fact. If they release the feature later or any other feature for that matter, you are not entitled to a FREE upgrade, trade in, credit or whatever. That was your choice. Same goes with the earlier XBOX360 without HDMI. Same goes for if you purchased a car and the next year model came with some new feature, say a GPS, that the earlier model did not. Are you going to go up to the dealer or write the manufacture, or post on some forum and whine about what you are entitled to?

Here have a tissue...




By afkrotch on 4/3/2008 12:40:31 PM , Rating: 2
I posted pretty much the same thing earlier, but at least I see someone out there has a brain.


not bad
By coderman on 4/3/2008 5:29:05 PM , Rating: 2
What's wrong with dropping the old controller, and replacing it with a new controller with rumble for $55? Your SIXAXIS is still fine, an dnot beaten up then use it still. If you really can't do without the vibrator, go buy it.

$55 for a rechargable controller, that comes with the charging cable and in my opinion is much better ergonomically than the 360 controllers (and cheaper too, since it comes with a built in recharable battery). What's the complaint, I don't understand?

They haven't changed the controller design in so long - because it works, and is a very well designed piece of hardware in the first place. Duh?




RE: not bad
By afkrotch on 4/4/2008 3:36:03 PM , Rating: 2
Main reason to drop the old Six and only have a DS3 is lower costs of manufacture. With more parts in the DS3 assembly lines will be different between the two.

Instead of having to split production between two controllers, you can have full production of just one. So better chance of having no shortages.

Less risk also. What if production was 50/50 between the two and all DS3s sell and are constantly out of stock, while Six is only selling like 10%.

From a business standpoint, it made the most sense.


UM... its coming out sooner
By TheSpaniard on 4/3/2008 9:27:29 AM , Rating: 2
blog.us.playstation.com

He says its coming next week! not April 15th...expect it around the 8th or earlier

he says they already shipped and whenever retailers get them they can stock them.




By SiliconJon on 4/6/2008 2:41:02 PM , Rating: 2
So does the DualShock3 also have sixaxis capabilities? I for one found that the 3D controller movements in the Wii to be it's most redeeming quality, and have been waiting to see how things pan out in the next month or two as I anticipate getting a PS3. But my two major selling points are the sixaxis controller capabilities and the backwards compatability, but it's looking like my two jewels are fading into the sunset? Yeah, the BluRay will be jewel #3...when I have a better TV set and the budget to start buying movies for significantly more than $10 on average.




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