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Microsoft has another bad day in court

Microsoft these days is striving to make its programs more compatible and open.  Licensing fees have gone down, standards revealed, and generally a higher standard of openness is encouraged.  While Microsoft might publicly claim otherwise, much of this change was forced by multiple painful rounds in antitrust court. 

Microsoft was hit recently with $1.4B USD and $690M USD fines from the European Union's business court, for employing anticompetitive processes in the form of what the European Union sees as intentionally inflated licensing fees.  The European Union currently has several open investigations against Microsoft

The U.S. Department of Justice, which scored a win against Microsoft in an epic 1999 antitrust legal battle, recently extended its supervision of Microsoft and is considering new investigations.

What exactly happened to make Microsoft such a target?  First, the company has an extremely high profile as the undisputed operating system king for over a decade.  Further, in the past Microsoft frequently leveraged its position, according to Department of Justice, to promote its new software products for use with its operating system, while pushing others out of it.  Whether its moves were willful oversight, or intentional maliciousness, they worked -- Microsoft slowly crushed its competitors in the word processing, internet browsers, spreadsheet and presentation software.

In the field of document authoring, Microsoft Word is almost synonymous with the phrase word processor.  Unlike the browser market, in which Firefox has been able to eek out a significant marketshare, no true competitors stand before Microsoft Word.  This, however, was not always the case.  In 1990, Novell's Word Perfect software was the marketshare leader, owning over 50 percent of the market.  However, as Windows rose to dominance, Word Perfect's fortunes plummeted as it fell to 10 percent, pushed out, largely, by Microsoft Word.  While some point to the downfall being due to Novell's flounderings, others point to the numerous compatibility and performance issues that cropped up in Windows.

On these grounds Novell launched a major private antitrust battle against Microsoft.  The suit was cleared to proceed, but an appeal by Microsoft brought it before the U.S. Supreme Court.  In a decision without Justice John Roberts, who owns Microsoft stock, the court decided without comment to leave intact the lower court's ruling that Novell can sue Microsoft under antitrust laws

Microsoft was furious at the decision.  The company argues that Novell is not eligible for antitrust damages as it did not compete directly with its Windows Operating system, a key component of the lawsuit.  A Microsoft spokesman stated outside the courtroom, "We believe the facts will show that Novell's claims, which are 12 to 14 years old, are without merit."

However, Novell points out clearly that Microsoft withheld technical information which the company needed to adapt Word Perfect to run well in Windows 95.  While this claim is scoffed at by Microsoft, in a 1994 corporate email obtained by Novell, then-Microsoft CEO Bill Gates states that they must delay giving Novell the compatibility information for Word Perfect to give Microsoft Word "a real advantage".  He goes on to state that without the delay "we can't compete'  with "WordPerfect/Novell".

In a later 1997 email between Microsoft executive Jeff Raikes and billonaire investor Warren Buffet, Raikes states, "If we own the key franchises built on top of the operating system we dramatically widen the `moat' that protects the operating-system business [from competitors]."

Microsoft has always had to pay over $5B USD in similar claims to Sun Microsystems, IBM, and Real Networks, in a series of cases following the precedent set by the 1999 government antitrust ruling.  It also currently is facing a class action suit based on its "Windows Vista Capable" sticker campaign used to sell computers that could barely run Windows Vista, a campaign corporate email admitted was a bad decision made based on pressure from Intel to sell chipsets.

This new case by Novell, however, if successful promises to broaden the scope of companies that can seek damages against Microsoft to outside the OS market, a relatively new development, according to legal analysts.  Novell says that Wordperfect's value fell from $1.2 billion in May 1994 to $170 million in 1996, approximate $1B USD in loss.  Novell is seeking three times this in damages from Microsoft, according to the filings.


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So Novell screwed up, and is blaming it on MS?
By ImSpartacus on 3/18/2008 10:28:47 AM , Rating: 3
I try not to be an MS fanboy, but when a company screws something up, they are responsible.

It is not impossible to beat MS, look at Firefox. I know I prefer FF over IE for multiple reasons.

I think we can all agree, MS never totally plays fair, but you can't blame a company for bringing out a better product.

If Novell lost a touch over a billion USD on Wordperfect, then why should they be allowed to sue for anything more than that? I can guarantee that MS was not responsible for every single penny of that billion, so should Novell even be allowed to sue for that full billion?

It doesn't seem to be fair, MS isn't perfect on their OS or browser, but they make a nice office suite.




By TerranMagistrate on 3/18/2008 11:08:54 AM , Rating: 2
Perhaps Novell flopping on their word processor software is directly related to Microsoft withholding vital technical information about Windows 95 at that time. All we can do is assume one way or the other without a proper investigation.

quote:
If Novell lost a touch over a billion USD on Wordperfect, then why should they be allowed to sue for anything more than that?


I suppose they are taking into account the subsequent profit they would have earned years later had they not completely lost the vast majority of the marketshare they once held.


RE: So Novell screwed up, and is blaming it on MS?
By hcahwk19 on 3/18/2008 11:24:16 AM , Rating: 2
But Lost Profits are nearly impossible to show and prove in court.


RE: So Novell screwed up, and is blaming it on MS?
By Mitch101 on 3/18/2008 11:30:31 AM , Rating: 2
The RIAA seems to have a formula they get away with in the courtroom. ;)


By ImSpartacus on 3/18/2008 1:28:13 PM , Rating: 3
The RIAA is gov't backed, but remains a private "company." Aside from screaming conspiracy, that should explain how they get some of the lawsuit wins they get.

This is slightly different. Novell is a totally private company, and their wrong-doing happened over 10 years ago. MS's Office (word, excel, and pp TOGETHER) is a superior product. Wordperfect just couldn't keep up with MS's trio.


By eye smite on 3/18/2008 5:47:05 PM , Rating: 3
I'm sure they're seeking more than lost profit. I'm sure it's to do with anti-competitve, anti-trust business practices on MS's part and damage to Novell through this behavior. Some of you don't understand it, but I certainly do. There's a thing called ethics in the world and MS has regularly ignored that word in their lust of greed. I cite all the xbox360 consoles sold with a known defect......:-)


RE: So Novell screwed up, and is blaming it on MS?
By bdot on 3/18/2008 12:26:08 PM , Rating: 2
I think Novell definitely dropped the ball on Word Perfect, Office suite has been a much better piece of software for some time now.

Also was Microsoft even considered a monopoly in 1994 when this non sharing of information occurred? If not then how can they be charged with Monopolistic practices?


By Master Kenobi (blog) on 3/18/2008 12:52:46 PM , Rating: 2
Yea, I think given the time period this happened Novell will have to basically prove that Microsoft was a Monopoly at that point in time and was using that position to influence and shut out their product. This is going to be a long and drawn out court battle. I'm not sure what year it was detemined legally that Microsoft became a monopoly, but I would guess it is somewhere around 1999.


RE: So Novell screwed up, and is blaming it on MS?
By johnsonx on 3/18/2008 1:12:30 PM , Rating: 2
Where desktop OS is concerned, Microsoft was essentially a monopoly as early as 1990 (perhaps even earlier, it depends on what you look at). So if Microsoft used it's dominance in the Desktop OS market to artificially harm Novell's server and application business then Novell has a case.

Yes, in answer to some of your other comments, some of Novell's products missed the mark badly in those years and since. But some seem to suggest that therefore Novell can't blame MS for anything. To me that strikes the same fallacy as the claim that because AMD's K10 isn't better than Intel's Core2, then AMD can't sue Intel for anything they did in the past to harm AMD's business.


By ImSpartacus on 3/18/2008 1:37:39 PM , Rating: 2
How does having a monopoly on the OS market help sell office suites? MS be damned if they include Office with Windoes for free. It is an extra.


RE: So Novell screwed up, and is blaming it on MS?
By johnsonx on 3/18/2008 2:17:16 PM , Rating: 1
RTFA! Novell's whole point (which was actually admitted by Gates himself) is that Microsoft delayed releasing API information that would allow WordPerfect to function well on Windows 95 in order to give Word (at the time an inferior product) an advantage. That's illegal.


RE: So Novell screwed up, and is blaming it on MS?
By PWNettle on 3/18/2008 7:45:22 PM , Rating: 2
That may be, but what stopped Novell from creating a better product once they had the info or with any of the folling versions of office?

WP was ok back when -IT- had no competition, but once MS Word got rolling it was better and the word processor of choice for most.


By Vanners on 3/18/2008 10:15:17 PM , Rating: 2
Depends on your point of view - I used both products. WordPerfect had more features and more powerful versions of those they had in common. Their downside was the interface made up of function keys and combinations of shift, ctrl and alt. A template had to sit over the keyboard so you could navigate!

Word on the other hand didn't have a significant amount of WPs functionality until 2000, and even today does not have all the features WP had back in 1990 (e.g. converting raster images into vector that could be manipulated)! The amount of control over the document, and transparency of operation that WP had has never been part of Word. It very much depends on what you are after.

I would argue that WordPerfect was still a better product long after it lost the lead. Part of that was office integration, however Novel Suite had an answer to MS Office and more, it just never took-off.


By johnsonx on 3/19/2008 12:13:20 AM , Rating: 2
That cost Novell time and market position. Once lost, both are hard to get back.


By Calin on 3/19/2008 3:30:06 AM , Rating: 2
Or maybe their 50% of the Office market share is now worth 3 billions $


RE: So Novell screwed up, and is blaming it on MS?
By RW on 3/18/2008 3:59:32 PM , Rating: 1
Yeah Novell suing others because they are better than you, how lame is that ? pretty fucking lame.

Imagine now every looser that sues the winner to take his hard earned money, from Olympic Games to Fotbal to NBA matches anything you could imagine means that every looser could now sue the champ and take his gold medal and his hard earned money.

Do u mean this justice ? no, this is BULLSHIT
The justice just became BULLSHIT


By Calin on 3/19/2008 3:35:39 AM , Rating: 2
This is similar with the Tonya Harding - Nancy Kerrigan incident.
Microsoft clubbed Novell's Word Perfect on the knee before the competition


By Oregonian2 on 3/18/2008 4:13:45 PM , Rating: 3
Yes, Word Perfect (DOS text window version) did very very badly against the GUI based Word. Wonder why?

Word Perfect's Windows version took forever before coming out and even when it finally came out, it had a reputation for being extremely buggy. Still didn't do well for some reason.

It's not like they couldn't get it right because of secrets held by Microsoft. There was a GUI based word processing program that was available early in the game and which was written for windows in it's first incarnation. I think it existed long before Word Perfect for Windows and was pretty much bug free and worked beautifully (better than Word actually). Only problem with it was that it was by a small company and that it didn't have an existing DOS based customer base. It eventually was sold to Lotus I think -- for the life of me I forget it's name, but I used it and liked it a lot.

Point being that Word perfect had no technology reason not to come out with a great WP 4 Windows -- even a tiny company was able to create a great product. It just was WP's ineptness, IMO (and probably fat headedness based delays if they were typical of large companies that I've worked in historically).

P.S. - Just remembered it's name: Ami Pro


By grebe925 on 3/19/2008 12:59:46 AM , Rating: 2
The only reason why Mozilla is succeeding is because the scrutiny on Microsoft is that much greater.

Were it the '90s, Microsoft would have played the dirty game of creating incompatibilities which would have choked Firefox off.


I'll just wait to see...
By rajaf on 3/18/2008 9:52:01 AM , Rating: 3
How people will manage to blame this on greedy EU officials :)




RE: I'll just wait to see...
By Mitch101 on 3/18/2008 10:19:10 AM , Rating: 5
Closed Source = Microsoft Wrong = Solution File Lawsuit
Open Source = Microsoft Wrong = Solution File Lawsuit
Provide development support = Microsoft Wrong = Solution File Lawsuit
Enhance OS base features = Microsoft Wrong = Solution File Lawsuit
Comply with EU = Microsoft Wrong = Solution File Lawsuit

Why is everything Microsoft does a conspiracy? And it always comes from the Loser companies that don't innovate or evolve their applications.

I wrote a calculator program and since Microsoft includes a calculator with Windows I find it anti-competitive and I'm going to sue and in the settlement I want Billions and my Calculator installed on every version of Windows sold.

I would love for Steve Ballmer to walk into the EU court room and say EU no more like FU.


RE: I'll just wait to see...
By rajaf on 3/18/2008 10:27:06 AM , Rating: 2
I was joking... you did realize that this was filed in the US and that novel is a US based company right?


RE: I'll just wait to see...
By Mitch101 on 3/18/2008 10:52:23 AM , Rating: 5
rajaf - joking or not this lawsuit filing at the end of a company's lifespan that didn't file and fight this way when the problems were occurring is BS. Like the article states this is 12-14 years ago. Why Now? Because the EU is showing hatred toward Microsoft and some attorney sees this as an opportunity to make a buck?

Its the same as when a company violates a patent and they wait until a company is a huge industry giant before coming forward and saying hey you nicked our patent. Why did you wait until we sold 6 million of these?

Where the heck were a lot of these lawsuits when the patent was infringed upon initially or when the problems were occurring.

Let me give you an example of NVIDIA they are fighting TODAY for problems that are occurring TODAY with Intel and threatening with litigation TODAY. I respect that. They aren't waiting until 10 years from now on their last breath and start saying well you violated our agreements 10 years ago.

This is nothing more than Lawyers jumping on the EU hates Microsoft bandwagon. Ambulance Chasing.


RE: I'll just wait to see...
By rajaf on 3/18/2008 11:08:38 AM , Rating: 1
Playing the devils advocate here, but the article does say that the lawsuit was just cleared today as an antitrust lawsuit, so it might have been filed a long time ago but they were waiting for the antitrust clearance.

And Novel is not just any other small leech company out there. They are quite big and I doubt they would file a lawsuit without having a good chance of winning.


By Master Kenobi (blog) on 3/18/2008 12:49:39 PM , Rating: 2
Novell is a dying company that is rapidly going the way of SCO. Their netware product was an abomination since networking stacks were included within Windows (95 and NT).

They bought the SuSE Linux flavor, but that doesn't seem to be making much in the way of progress.

Now to be perfectly fair, the reason I switched to Word was because Word could read all of my Word Perfect documents, but Word Perfect could not read my Word documents. Word could also read several other oddball formats from I believe Lotus (1-2-3, and others). Microsoft does a good job of this, whoever figures out basic functionality always seems to include in their products "the ability to read and write everyone elses formats, or import them for conversion to our format very very easily. This makes it very easy to steal existing users and convert them. This is why Office, Exchange, and other MS products have basically swooped in and gobbled up the market. Switching to them is relatively painless, in many cases its even easier than staying with the current product and upgrading it to a new version.


RE: I'll just wait to see...
By Strunf on 3/18/08, Rating: 0
RE: I'll just wait to see...
By Alexstarfire on 3/18/08, Rating: 0
RE: I'll just wait to see...
By rcc on 3/18/2008 4:18:43 PM , Rating: 2
For the same reason car manufacturers don't make a single line of cars, or just cars and not trucks. If you are going to have all that ability just sitting there, why not expand and use it. : )


RE: I'll just wait to see...
By mikeyD95125 on 3/18/2008 7:57:28 PM , Rating: 2
I'm just waiting for people from AOL/Time Warner to sue Microsoft.

They are losing money and AIM runs on Windows....there lawyers must be planning a lawsuit at this very moment.


RE: I'll just wait to see...
By wjobs55 on 3/18/2008 10:53:37 PM , Rating: 2
LMFAO. but on a somber note, it might be a fact seeing what is going on these days with this B/S lawsuits.


eh...
By Sora on 3/18/2008 1:16:37 PM , Rating: 2
With-holding technical information that will allow software to "run well" is cause for a 3bn lawsuit? Unless im dumb or something, theres got to be countless numbers of people at home, slaving away in their dungeons that can get homemade software to run on windows...95 no less.




RE: eh...
By rippleyaliens on 3/18/2008 2:05:56 PM , Rating: 2
Novell...
The problem i see is that 1. Novell bought Wordperfect well after 1994. (i remember buying Wp+quatro pro+their DB), with my first computer in 1993.
Novell was in a buying frenzy playing catchup.
MS had the advantage with office 4.3 as it was 1 suite of products that all worked together, even back then.. WP didnt play well with Quatro pro, and definetly didnt play well with MS products.
Once win 95 hit, it was the same as when Vista hit. same os, BUT different. MS doesnt have to actually give up all their technical stuff for free. They can license it... or have novell purchase SDK's.. which were avaliable.. (Remember lotus smart suite anyone)..
Wp rocked as a word processor.. BUT where it fails, is that the bundle just was horrible..
AND Bloated price wise.
MS office was\AND still is more Expensive.. BUT it works.

Also Novell never offered bundle pricing..


RE: eh...
By ElrondElvish on 3/19/2008 10:35:30 AM , Rating: 2
How can that be unclear? Wordperfect lost 1 billion in value between 1996 and 1997 precisely because they couldn't get it to work on Windows 95 properly. And why couldn't they?

Because Microsoft withheld the essential API's that were required to do so. Microsoft themselves used those undocumented API's in Microsoft Office to crush the dominant Wordperfect in less than two years.

It wasn't that Wordperfect didn't run... it just crashed a lot because they didn't have access to the required API's. Thats not Novell's fault, thats Microsft withholding secret WinAPI's to specifically make Wordperfect fail.

Loosing 1 billion dollars in value in such a short time frame is more than worth a 3 billion lawsuit because Microsoft was willfully anti-competitive with purpose and admitted it internally as company strategy.


But....
By Spivonious on 3/18/2008 10:22:50 AM , Rating: 2
As a former user of WordPerfect 6 (which was fantastic compared to the equivalent MS Word), I have to say that Novell blew it by not being feature competitive with MS Word. Also, Excel is hands-down the best spreadsheet program; Quattro Pro isn't even a blip on the radar. I believe that is the real reason Word won - the fact that it came in the Office suite with Excel and Powerpoint. It just didn't make sense to use Excel, Powerpoint, and WordPerfect.




RE: But....
By Denigrate on 3/18/2008 10:28:06 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, but in our culture, it has evolved that if you fail, it is not your fault, but the fault of some big bully. So you sue the big bully for being more successful than you, and redistribute the weatlh. Nevermind that you are hurting millions of poeple who actually own Microsoft. Corporations are evil.


RE: But....
By bluebumblebee on 3/18/2008 4:38:26 PM , Rating: 1
Quattro Pro was a MUCH better product than Excel 4. M$ took their position as the #1 provider of OS and bundled it with their Office bundle and buried the divided competition. Seems everyone forgot how buggy Office 95 was.


this all seems rather odd
By johnsonx on 3/18/2008 12:57:42 PM , Rating: 2
I find this really surprising. Novell and Microsoft signed this big agreement a year or two ago, and Microsoft paid Novell a pile of money. Novell's website is full of talk about how they work with Microsoft. Make no mistake, they're still competitors of course, Novell wants you to run Linux instead of Windows (moreso on the server, but on the desktop too). I'd have thought all this lovin' between them would have prevented this sort of litigation.

That part said, it is true that Microsoft did mess with Novell's software back in the 90's. Microsoft made sure Windows 3.x wouldn't run well on top of Novell DOS. As stated here, they withheld technology information so that Wordperfect wouldn't work well in Windows 95/98.

They also did the same thing when Novell needed information for their network login client. At the time that Windows 95 came out, Novell NetWare was the dominant network server. By creating headaches with the netware client, Microsoft was able to shift business to Windows NT Server. Of course Novell didn't help the situation any when they were slow to release NetWare 5 to compete with NT 4. NetWare 4.11 didn't seem all that bad at the time, but for an interesting comparison fast forward to 2008: you could install and use an NT 4 server right now, whereas a NetWare 4.11 server would be essentially useless.




RE: this all seems rather odd
By bluebumblebee on 3/18/2008 5:52:47 PM , Rating: 1
Well.... M$ used FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Dread) to try to keep people from using other than M$ DOS for Win3.x. There was a little window that would come up and state something like "compatibility and stability cannot be guaranteed with your non-M$ DOS" I used DR-DOS 6 which was far superior to MS-DOS 5 to run under Win3. DR-DOS was another Novell acquisition. Some of the Novell execs bought it from Novell and then sued MS because M$ had said that it would not integrate any more products into Windows, which of course they did with Win95. Their Statement of Facts that was presented to the court was very interesting and M$ ended up settling with them out of court around 2000 for a rumored amount of $150M USD.
Yes, M$ did everything that they could to screw Novell when Win95 and Office 95 came out. They were very clever in the way that they made it look, to the average person, that the compatibility issues were Novell's fault. But I don't think Novell made a good faith effort with their Wordperfect suite. We quickly forget that WordPerfect's customer support was far and beyond what M$ offered. WP saw the writing on the wall and (wisely) sold out to Novell. Remember that WP never came out with a GUI product


RE: this all seems rather odd
By johnsonx on 3/19/2008 12:28:31 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Remember that WP never came out with a GUI product


Not true. Wordperfect Corporation released WordPerfect 6 for Windows (as well as WordPerfect 6 for DOS). Novell WordPerfect 6.1 was very little more than WP WordPerfect re-branded for Novell. I don't recall whether WordPerfect 7 originally released Novell branded and then re-branded Corel, or if it was Corel branded from the start.

One thing people often forget is the Novell did in fact get some very important software technologies from WordPerfect. One they got PerfectOffice - which became Novell GroupWise, and two they got the FLAIM database engine technology which underpins eDirectory (originally NDS used the RECMAN database which wasn't going to scale well; eDir with FLAIM can scale to over 1 million objects).

a side note: I thought the D in FUD was Doubt?


hAHAHAH
By dare2savefreedom on 3/18/2008 12:19:38 PM , Rating: 1
hAHAHAH!

so much for bed buddies in business...

mAster kenobi suck on this

its my birthday, its my birthday - whooo




RE: hAHAHAH
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 3/18/2008 12:53:41 PM , Rating: 2
?


Email
By Jierdan on 3/20/2008 12:11:49 AM , Rating: 3
The email that was referred to in the article is linked here: http://edge-op.org/iowa/www.iowaconsumercase.org/1...




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