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SCEA executive VP Jack Tretton unloads on the 360

As we get closer to the launch of Sony's PlayStation 3 console, more and more details are starting to come to light. We learned today that Sony is trimming the price of the 20GB PS3 to $430 USD in Japan and that the base system will come with HDMI output. We've also learned that the PS3 will emulate SEGA and TurboGrafx games.

Microsoft hasn't been too far behind with revealing fresh gear for its XBOX 360. The company launched its Live Vision camera on September 19 and it announced that the XBOX 360 would receive 1080p support later this year via a software update. Also coming is the HD DVD drive add-on which will retail for around $170 USD in Japan -- a $199 price tag is estimated for the US release.

In the first part of GameDaily's interview with Sony Computer Entertainment America's (SCEA) Jack Tretton, the exec doesn't spend time promoting his company's PS3 (that’s for Part 2), but instead takes the time to take the XBOX 360 to task. Specifically, Tretton is keen on pointing out how well the PS2 has done worldwide compared to its predecessor while the XBOX 360 isn't fairing so well in the numbers game compared to the original XBOX:

What I've read widely and what I've heard from MS is, 'Yeah, we got beat last generation but that's because we were late to market and came out a year after PS2 did and that's why we got defeated and that's not going to happen again.' Yes, the PS2 was beating the Xbox 5 or 6 years ago, but now the PS2 is beating the Xbox 360... Year-to-date we've sold more hardware than they have and this past month we've sold more hardware. So we beat them in their last generation machine and we're beating them in their current generation machine. And if I were Microsoft, the big concern I'd have is... Xbox 360 is actually doing worse than the original Xbox did.

Tretton also went on to point out that the XBOX 360 has had the next-gen market all to itself for the past year and is still selling in worse numbers than its predecessor. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how the PS3 fairs against its PS2 predecessor as far as sales go. Sony is taking pleasure in the fact that the XBOX 360 has been relatively slow out of the gate, so let's hope that Sony can put its money where its mouth is and show some significant gains in PS3 sales.

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PS2 outsells XB360
By Spivonious on 9/22/2006 12:49:24 PM , Rating: 5
It couldn't possibly be because a new PS2 is like $130 now and an XB360 is $400...

Sony's arrogance reminds me of Grand Moff Tarkin standing on the bridge of the Death Star right before it explodes.




RE: PS2 outsells XB360
By nerdboy on 9/22/2006 1:00:02 PM , Rating: 5
quote:
Sony's arrogance reminds me of Grand Moff Tarkin standing on the bridge of the Death Star right before it explodes.


Nice thats all I got to say


RE: PS2 outsells XB360
By dpope on 9/22/2006 1:03:45 PM , Rating: 2
Reminds me of the situation at Dell. I remember for a few years Dell was saying they would never use AMD processors. Now look what's happened.

I see Apple using AMD in the future. Once Mac "pc" (sorry fanboys, but true) sales begin to slow down, they will offer AMD.

Anyway, did anyone read the article where it stated Mac OS market share was down to 3.7% and that XP market share was up? Could it be because people are buying a Mac and installing Windows XP?


RE: PS2 outsells XB360
By Chernobyl68 on 9/22/2006 7:17:11 PM , Rating: 2
Dell has used AMD processors in the past, back in the K6-2 days.


RE: PS2 outsells XB360
By obeseotron on 9/23/2006 1:46:41 AM , Rating: 2
You're right Dell sold AMD chips at one point, I believe it was much longer ago than the k6-2 era. I thought they used some AMD 486 clones way back, but not anything from the k6/p2 generation. Wouldn't have made much sense at the time seeing as how Intel had the original celerons out around then, the best budget chips ever made (even without the overclocking).


RE: PS2 outsells XB360
By ahodge on 9/22/2006 1:10:28 PM , Rating: 2
LOL! That is probably the funniest analogy I've ever read.


RE: PS2 outsells XB360
By therealnickdanger on 9/22/2006 1:44:55 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
Sony's arrogance reminds me of Grand Moff Tarkin standing on the bridge of the Death Star right before it explodes.

Great analogy. LOL
However, the only problem is this: does Microsoft have its Luke Skywalker? You'll remember that Tarkin was a split second away from "crushing the rebellion" before he met his demise. I think MS will have to pull out a price drop, HD-DVD drive, 1080p support, and at least one killer app in order to truly put a nail in the PS3's coffin this holiday - if such a thing is possible. We know the PS3 probably won't sell as well for the simple fact that there won't be enough, but the battle is in the mind of the consumer.


RE: PS2 outsells XB360
By ajira99 on 9/22/2006 1:52:47 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
However, the only problem is this: does Microsoft have its Luke Skywalker?


Yeah, his name is Master Chief! I'd fall out of my chair is Microsoft's next surprise is a completed, fully functional release of Halo 3 (a man can dream).


RE: PS2 outsells XB360
By Teletran1 on 9/22/2006 5:51:54 PM , Rating: 3
Yeah but not everyone on this planet likes console FPS. I certainly dont and would rather just play FPS on my computer. That is the main reason that the 360 sales have been beyond dead in japan. MS needs to diversify thier lineup. Not everyone likes to play only console FPS and sports games.


RE: PS2 outsells XB360
By Spivonious on 9/22/2006 1:54:10 PM , Rating: 2
Thanks

I don't see MS as Luke/Rebel Alliance. Nintendo is the remnants of the Old Republic (they ruled the console market in the NES and SNES days). Therefore, Nintendo must be the rebels. Wii is inexpensive, innovative, and exciting.


Goodbye Sony, you used to make good TVs.


RE: PS2 outsells XB360
By anonymo on 9/22/2006 2:00:56 PM , Rating: 2
They still do make good TVs...Bravias are pretty much the best LCDs you can buy.

On that note, if the PS3 came with a 32" Bravia then I'd buy it for the price they want...


RE: PS2 outsells XB360
By bisoy on 9/22/2006 3:19:22 PM , Rating: 1
But not as good as the Samsung LCDs though


RE: PS2 outsells XB360
By TheDoc9 on 9/22/2006 3:54:37 PM , Rating: 2
Now don't quote me on this, but from what I understand both Samsung and Sony use panels from a jointly owned plant.


RE: PS2 outsells XB360
By MikeO on 9/25/2006 3:22:31 AM , Rating: 2
Yep.

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/06/27/s-lcd_plan...

quote:
Sony and Samsung agreed to cross-license their respective LCD patents in December 2004, eight months after the two formed S-LCD, a company tasked with building and running a joint seventh-generation panel plant. Samsung's stake in the KRW2.1tr ($2.23bn) JV is a single share more than Sony's. The eighth-generation plant will, it's said, raise S-LCD's value to KRW4.1tr ($4.35bn).


RE: PS2 outsells XB360
By Locutus465 on 9/22/2006 7:08:32 PM , Rating: 2
A price drop of even just $100 could help out quite a little bit! Add in more accessories and you've got a real winner.


RE: PS2 outsells XB360
By ajfink on 9/22/2006 3:24:39 PM , Rating: 2
I love you for the reference.

Sony really, REALLY annoys me sometimes.

They had to include the HDMI and reduce the price of the base system to offset the massive mountain of bad press they've been getting about the PS3.

I own a 360, and in a couple of years or if the PS3 turns into something with good games, I might buy one.

But I'll buy a Wii first, anyway.


RE: PS2 outsells XB360
By mushi799 on 9/22/2006 8:45:54 PM , Rating: 2
n64/dreamcast were pretty damn cheap when the ps2 came out, by ur own logic the n64 should have outsold the ps2, did it? NO


RE: PS2 outsells XB360
By Xavian on 9/22/2006 9:25:44 PM , Rating: 2
Firstly, the dreamcast was a dying console before the PS2 came out, why?

Because of the massive Sony spin coming out of the Sony camp about the 128-bit 'Emotion Engine' with 'Toy-Story' Graphics. People believed them then, but i dont think they will this time.

The N64 was a last gen console (remember it was competing with the Playstation 1), which was starting to slow down its game releases. By the time the PS2 was launched, many of the N64 developers had moved over to the Gamecube (Project Dolphin) or moved over to the PS2 camp.

The curcimstances here are VERY different from the last gen. There is now only 3 consoles in the running, Xbox 360 came out first, but seems to be holding up pretty well against the Sony Spin and the Wii seems to be the new PS2. Its cheaper then the rest and the most technologically inferior compared to its competitors. But you can make much cheaper games on it and it has a hook to lure gamers in, it is also (like the PS2) aiming to bring in new gamers from outside the market.

Nintendo seems to be following Sony's strategy with the PSX and PS2 (quantity, with a few quality games here and there). Sony on the other hand, seems to be the Nintendo of the N64 time, relying on its heavy hitters, but having very epensive costing games that will limit its development in the future.

The Wii is the new PS2 and just like the PS2 it'll take some time to build up momentum, but once it does, it'll be unstoppable.


RE: PS2 outsells XB360
By Kromis on 9/23/2006 3:36:04 AM , Rating: 2
Oh my God...that is like THE best reference ever!


Xbox360 doesn't have a killer app yet
By Steve Guilliot on 9/22/2006 1:28:48 PM , Rating: 4
I own an xbox360, and enjoy PGR3 very much. But, the lagging sales are easily explained by the relatively high price combined with the lack of a killer app. Mix a price cut with the release of Halo3, and xbox360 sales could turn around almost overnight.

Sony has hype and a legion of followers on its side. That will give it a boost out of the gate (up to their manufacturing capacity), but long term they have the same issues as MS to deal with.

Sales have almost nothing to do with 720p vs. 1080p or component vs. HDMI. It's all fluff around the central issues.




By kristof007 on 9/22/2006 1:56:10 PM , Rating: 2
I agree with the Halo 3 sale thing. When that comes out and if (and this is a big if) it's better than Halo 2, x360 sales will take off. I think they are going to make a bundle. Maybe even lower the price. That would be the smartest move. Everyone is going to want it but if you lower the price you sell waaay more and still make a great profit.


By Spivonious on 9/22/2006 1:57:28 PM , Rating: 2
Halo 2 was a big disappointment for me. I'm not looking forward to Halo 3 at all (aren't they still in design stages anyway?)


RE: Xbox360 doesn't have a killer app yet
By tophat on 9/22/2006 2:01:50 PM , Rating: 1
I agree with you that the higher price and killer app is hindering MS' sales. However, one thing most have overlooked is that the 360 is not backwards compatible unlike the PS3. I have a slew of PS1 and PS2 titles that I still own and will take out from time to time. However, I don't see myself doing the same for the original XBOX. I see that as a big mistake on MS' part.

I'm not a big Sony nor MS fan but in terms of entertainment value in a console, the mileage I would get from a PS3 would more than surpass that of the 360 with the legacy titles alone.


RE: Xbox360 doesn't have a killer app yet
By therealnickdanger on 9/22/2006 2:32:02 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
the 360 is not backwards compatible unlike the PS3

I suppose games like "Sneakers" may not be compatible, but I have over 40 Xbox1 games and they ALL work in my Xbox360. I own mostly the popular titles as well as a few stinkers. Not every PS1 game worked on the PS2, and I doubt that EVERY PS2 game will work on the PS3, but that really isn't a top issue with the mainstream anyway.

IMO, Sony has neither the "lower price" or a killer app. Even their base model (with its reduced price) is still more expensive than Microsoft's premium model. Playing old games (especially ROMs) is more a novelty than anything else. A Blu-Ray drive is another novelty given its unknown future and waning support. The PS3 will be a hot product simply because it is new, but it's going to take a strong series of great games to convince buyers.

If Microsoft drops their price this Christmas, Sony will struggle next spring.


By tophat on 9/22/2006 4:57:50 PM , Rating: 2
In that case, I retract my statement. As far as I knew, the 360 was not backwards compatible. I have a couple of older XBOX games that I still have lying around that I wouldn't mind an attempt at spinning on a 360 machine.

As far as software titles go for both Sony and the 360, it would be interesting to see in which geographic location the sales come from (historically and anticipated/projected). I'm going to put myself out on a limb and say that the bulk of the software sales for Sony would be in Japan other eastern countries whereas MS would be in the western countries.


By Legionosh on 9/22/2006 2:33:33 PM , Rating: 2
360 not backwards compatible? Not all games are, but the hard drive allows software backwards compatibility...and Microsft is supposed to get going on that backwards compatibilty list...again...

...and to the best of my knowledge Sony/PS3 will be doing EXACTLY the same thing, software emulation. Maybe I heard wrong but that is what I remember reading.

Kevin



By Locutus465 on 9/22/2006 7:13:40 PM , Rating: 2
Is that why halo 2 can be played on a 360? Yes, you can play all the old x-box games you care about on a 360, so backwards compatibilty is a non-issue


RE: Xbox360 doesn't have a killer app yet
By Loc13 on 9/22/2006 2:43:03 PM , Rating: 2
If you compare killer apps from Sony and Xbox360, MS doesn't stand a chance. True, Halo3 and Gear of Wars might appeal to a majority of American gamers, but Halo 3 won't appeal to the global market as much as Final Fantasy, Devil May Cry, Grand Turismo, and other PS franchise. That's why Xbox360 has a hard time in Japan, where the heart of gaming lies. Halo3 might convince people in the US to buy xbox360, but not those in Japan.

Also, the Xbox360 games are on DVD while the PS3 games are in blu-ray disk. In the short term, it might be very difficult to fill a blu-ray disk with 45G of contents, but in the long run, it will be. So there will be more contents on PS3 games than Xbox360 games, b/c dvd can only hold so much. I have yet to hear MS releasing games on HDDVD.


By fantastique on 9/22/2006 3:45:12 PM , Rating: 1
Why isn't Halo popular elsewhere? Last time I looked, people in Japan love games like CS. Maybe...just maybe...it's because Halo was on the Xbox, and Xbox doesn't sell there...hmm....

The curse of Halo 2: When one of the only nonsports game you enjoyed on Xbox was the Halo games, why buy the Xbox360 until Halo 3 comes out? Especially when the fan base for Halo 2 is so large. I'm pretty sure it's still by far the most played Xbox Live game now. When Halo 3 comes out, Xbox 360 will sell like hotcakes, and maybe this time around, with the good press associated with Xbox live, most non US online gamers will probably hop aboard. No doubt, Halo 2's success is probably the thing that hurt Xbox360 sells most so far. For Microsoft to do a price cut prior to the release of Halo 3 would be like Sony doing a price cut on the PS3 prior to release...


By Zandros on 9/22/2006 7:20:52 PM , Rating: 2
If Silicon Knights' Too Human becomes as good as it could be, I believe the Xbox 360 could have their killer app just there.


Sony has AWE factor
By sugarshane on 9/22/06, Rating: 0
RE: Sony has AWE factor
By Hare on 9/22/2006 1:56:04 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Sony has a history of innovative products and and the Sony brand carries wow factor that most electronics companies can't touch.
I would agree if you would have said that 5-10 years ago when Sony meant high-quality and great value for money. You really should have emphasized the "history" word since Sony DID have innovative products and wow-factor.

Sadly this isn't the case nowadays. Look at Sony's copy protection rootkits. Look at their propriety mp3 (cough) atrac-players. Look at their exploding batteries. What about this and that... Sony used to be a great company but nowadays I think cameras and LCDs are pretty much the only things Sony is still good at.

MS has a lot of haters but Sony is no different.


RE: Sony has AWE factor
By Teletran1 on 9/23/2006 6:09:31 PM , Rating: 3
While I agree with Hare somewhat I dont think the negativity towards sony stretches too far beyond people who post in Forums and Message boards or spend a lot of time surfing sites like this. Does some ham n egger parent know anything about rootkits and atrac? Probably not. Does the average person on the street? Most likely not. I find too often that people on these sites think that thier knowledge about things is the baseline. I would wager that the people who keep up with this are only a small percentage of potential console buyers. Most people dont know jack.


RE: Sony has AWE factor
By Spivonious on 9/22/2006 1:56:38 PM , Rating: 1
Who plays video games? Mostly kids.

Who buys kids' consoles? Mommy and Daddy.

Who wins the next-gen console war? Nintendo Wii.


RE: Sony has AWE factor
By anonymo on 9/22/2006 2:01:56 PM , Rating: 4
Mostly kids? Could you be more ignorant?


RE: Sony has AWE factor
By tophat on 9/22/2006 2:31:55 PM , Rating: 3
I would say that most developers are targeting an audience that is a bit more mature with a larger disposable income
(if you would put an age to that, I would speculate males in the 18-35 age group).

That would definitely not be kids. If anything, I would say the handhelds would be more for the 'kids'.


RE: Sony has AWE factor
By ajira99 on 9/22/2006 2:00:47 PM , Rating: 2
I think that Apple has a higher "WOW" factor than Sony. As for the Xbox, that was Microsoft's first attempt at a gaming console. They may have made mistakes and done some things wrong, but they got past the drawing board stage and offered some quality products and gameplay.

I don't think of either the 360 or the PS3 as "true" next-gen gaming consoles. That'll happen in 3-5 years with the next consoles and HDTV is much more commonplace (720p being the console gaming standard now).


RE: Sony has AWE factor
By VooDooAddict on 9/22/2006 2:10:06 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I don't think of either the 360 or the PS3 as "true" next-gen gaming consoles. That'll happen in 3-5 years with the next consoles and HDTV is much more commonplace (720p being the console gaming standard now).


I halfway agree with you. I think it would have been nice if this console war took place a little over a year from now when signifigantly more people have access to HD sets and Blu-Ray or HDDVD had a clear winner... and all the consules used it.

But no ... this is the real world. XBOX360/PS3/Wii are this console "generation" no matter how you look at it.


RE: Sony has AWE factor
By sugarshane on 9/22/06, Rating: 0
RE: Sony has AWE factor
By ajira99 on 9/22/2006 2:52:07 PM , Rating: 2
Are you interested in a discussion or do you just want to start an argument? I brought up Apple in response to the assertion that "Sony has a history of innovative products and and the Sony brand carries wow factor that most electronics companies can't touch". Sony hasn't really released many "innovative" products lately IMHO. They has a chance with the PSP and flubbed it (as much as I like aspects of my PSP).

I do believe that Microsoft could, and in many aspects did have a stronger showing with the 360 if we could get off the HD train and concentrate on the gameplay. Microsoft has much better developer support this time than the previous generation.

If you don't like Microsoft (or the 360 in particular), then don't buy from them. That's your right as much as it is mine to question Sony's product decisions and business practices.


RE: Sony has AWE factor
By fantastique on 9/22/06, Rating: 0
RE: Sony has AWE factor
By sugarshane on 9/22/2006 6:29:13 PM , Rating: 1
Touch a PSx, and you can feel its ingenuity...
Play a PSx, and you can adore the creativity...

I just don't feel the same way about M$ XBox(360), they bore me.
M$ will never have those things because we conjure a mental image of Bill Gates face when we hear the word Microsoft.


PS3 Launch...
By Legionosh on 9/22/2006 2:44:25 PM , Rating: 5
..I can't tell you how many people I talk to that are psyched about the PS3, but yet have no idea what it costs.

Once I tell them the price ($499/$599..there is no $430 price point stated for the U.S., nor is there HDMI accounced as of yet for the BASE U.S. PS3), their attitudes quickyly change. Once I tell them about no HDMI (see above), their atitudes change even more.

The slow 360 sales I don't know if I buy that, but a lot of people say they are waiting on the PS3 (but again these are the people that don't even know thee PS3 price).

The $400 price is more than likely the reason for the supposed adoption rate of the 360 (and the early launch unit problems, whose number were greatly exxagerated in my opinion). And the lack of a definitive killer APP also has bearing on this..

...conversely I don't see the PS3 having a killer launch app at this point either (the Wii will have Zelda at launch, which is reason enough for most people).

I just have a hard time believing the 36 has a slower sell through than the XBOX. I have read just the opposite elsewhere (fasting selling console to date, etc)...so whose numbers are we to believe?

As far as the ps2 outselling the 360? What sells faster? premium priced products or their less expensive breatheren?

People who can't understand the $130 outselling a $300-$400 based on price alone are idiots. It's a simple matter of economics. How many people has Mcdonalds served? Billions and Billions? FAR greater numbers than any steak house. Why? Price. Simple as that (well and public availability, but even that would not even the odds.

Kevin








RE: PS3 Launch...
By xbdestroya on 9/22/2006 3:14:47 PM , Rating: 2
The 360 vs Xbox discrepencies...

It was the fastest-selling at first, but now their sale numbers have tapered off, and the 360 is actually behind where the XBox was at this point in it's life. So you see, that can *both* be true. ;)

As for the HDMI in the base model, yes it's been confirmed for the entire planet, so no worries there.


RE: PS3 Launch...
By dwalton on 9/22/2006 5:56:07 PM , Rating: 2
Again....In the Xbox time line, you would be able to buy for $199.00 right now and would have since last May.

$199.00 vs. $299/$399 isn't hard to see why the xbox360 isn't out pacing the xbox1, especially at the slowest time of the year in terms of sales.

You should also know during the Sony's FY 2001 the PS1 outsold the PS2 (the first full fiscal year of PS2 availability).

It took over a full year for the PS1 to sale over 5 million units and went to sale a 100 million+ even though the previous #1 console leader (nintendo)launched about a year after the ps1.


RE: PS3 Launch...
By The Sword 88 on 9/22/2006 3:16:23 PM , Rating: 2
I agree about the lack of a killer game. Oblivion was probably oneo my favorite games ever but other than tat 360 games have been disappointing plus Oblivion isnt quite mainstream. Hopefully Gears of War can pull something out for MS. Plus once Halo 3 coem out you know people ar going to buy 360s.


RE: PS3 Launch...
By xbdestroya on 9/22/2006 3:45:24 PM , Rating: 2
At the same time though, it has to be recognized that the majority of the people on the Halo bandwagon are probably also in large part the people who have *already* bought a 360.


RE: PS3 Launch...
By camped69 on 9/22/2006 6:27:11 PM , Rating: 2
Im holding out for the PS3 but the kid came home with an 360 and I have to say that Madden looks very nice hooked up to the 42" Sammy dlp via component at 720p. Aside from the video quality having the ability to music of the network and pipe them through the surround is cool.

Hdmi would be nice for the $499 version but I'll buy one regardless. From what I've heard/seen Bluray looks like crap compared to HDDVD. We'll see


RE: PS3 Launch...
By Locutus465 on 9/22/2006 7:19:44 PM , Rating: 2
not really... why waste money on a 360 now when there's no halo game to play on it? When you can wait till halo 3 is released and the x-box is (hopefully) cheaper. I'd imagine I'm not the only halo fan on earth keeping this in mind


Thoughts
By Jeff7181 on 9/22/2006 2:34:06 PM , Rating: 1
Why would Microsoft lower the price of the Xbox 360 before the PS3 is launched? Why do they need a killer app before the PS3 is launched. There is ZERO competition in HD console gaming. If you want HD gaming without a PC the Xbox 360 is your ONLY choice right now, and will be your ONLY choice for months to come.

Aside from that... I'm not impressed by Sony or the PS3. I don't understand what's so attractive about either of them. The Gran Turismo series is wonderful, no question about it. The Xbox isn't without jaw dropping racing games, though... there's Forza Motorsport and Project Gotham Racing.

Finally... I think it's ridiculous that people don't like the Xbox or Xbox 360 because it's made by Microsoft. (stop typing Micro$oft... it's not funny and it doesn't make you cool) Microsoft produces great products. Truth be told, they've made your life easier and richer with their products, like it or not. If people actually understood what was going on, they'd see that the majority of Windows "bugs" and security holes can be nullified by properly administration. The only thing I fault Microsoft with in terms of Windows security is what they chose as default settings.




RE: Thoughts
By PAPutzback on 9/22/2006 2:46:18 PM , Rating: 2
I agree. Anybody bashing MS is probably under 18 and doesn't know squat about an OS.
I'll be getting the 360 when I can save up for a good HDTV. But games are only a fraction of the reason I want the 360. I looking mroe towards it being a cheap high performance Media Center Extender and HD-DVD player.


RE: Thoughts
By Loc13 on 9/22/2006 2:51:25 PM , Rating: 2
"If you want HD gaming without a PC the Xbox 360 is your ONLY choice right now, and will be your ONLY choice for months to come."

What? Isn't PS3 all about HD gaming? Xbox360 games are in still in DVD by the way.

"Aside from that... I'm not impressed by Sony or the PS3. I don't understand what's so attractive about either of them. The Gran Turismo series is wonderful, no question about it. The Xbox isn't without jaw dropping racing games, though... there's Forza Motorsport and Project Gotham Racing."

Hmm is there a RPG game that rivals Final Fantasy or Grandia? I don't think so. Maybe all you care about is racing game, fighting and sports games, then yeah Xbox360 has a few decent titles.

Playstation and Nintendo has by far the largest variety of games out there, something MS will take years to catch up.


RE: Thoughts
By underline21 on 9/22/2006 3:00:54 PM , Rating: 2
Take off the blinders and understand the words "right now"

PS3 isnt out yet...


RE: Thoughts
By therealnickdanger on 9/22/2006 3:15:13 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Isn't PS3 all about HD gaming? Xbox360 games are in still in DVD by the way.

Not sure what the DVD comment has to do with anything. There's more than enough storage on a DVD to store the necessary files to play PC games at resolutions well over the 1920x1080 resolution the Xbox360 is capable of.

I think you're cutting the Xbox a little short in terms of RPGs. Granted, MS doesn't have the JapRPGs, but Sony doesn't have: Fable, Elder Scrolls, and the powerful library of Bioware RPGs, which were among the highest-rated RPGs of recent years. Just because American RPGs don't have scantily clad effeminate men doesn't make them poor. LOL

I agree that MS lacks the same variety as Sony, but Xbox Live Arcade is a good tool to help expand that area. Word is that it will explode this Christmas season... To say that Nintendo has variety is a stretch, however. If anything, they dominate in family-friendly, gimmicky, nostalgic games. I don't mean that in a bad way either.


RE: Thoughts
By Vertigo101 on 9/22/2006 3:51:25 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
MS doesn't have the JapRPGs, but Sony doesn't have: Fable, Elder Scrolls , and the powerful library of Bioware RPGs, which were among the highest-rated RPGs of recent years.


I hate to tell you this, but Oblivion is going to be on the PS3.


RE: Thoughts
By therealnickdanger on 9/22/2006 4:19:04 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I hate to tell you this, but Oblivion is going to be on the PS3.

I've read that it is rumored, but not official. If you can supply me a link that Bathesda has officially announced it, I will stand corrected. And no, GameStop pre-orders don't count. :D


RE: Thoughts
By Vertigo101 on 9/29/2006 12:50:45 AM , Rating: 2
But
By xbdestroya on 9/22/2006 1:02:49 PM , Rating: 2
It's true though, having a slower sell-through rate than the original XBox at this point in it's life isn't the best sign overall.




RE: But
By stubeck on 9/22/2006 1:06:12 PM , Rating: 2
There are a lot of people waiting for the PS3 and Wii to come out I think. Once they both come uot people will be more likely to buy the 360, also, when a real killer game like Gears of War comes out more will get it.


RE: But
By michal1980 on 9/22/06, Rating: -1
RE: But
By therealnickdanger on 9/22/2006 2:57:55 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
With no real competition right now. (no wii, and no ps3) the 360 cannot out sell the xbox. Thats scary.

It's less scary and moreso just proof that no matter how great a product is, the bottom line IS the bottom line. The Xbox was cheaper when it debuted and both the Xbox and PS2 are MUCH cheaper now with many more games. Currently, a lot of games for the X360 are available on X1.

You can't really compare launches either since they are all unique. The PS1 took quite a while to dominate and then Sony flowed very well into the PS2 against nothing but an older, poorly-supported Dreamcast. Sony had the advantage of being first to market with a heavily supported console, which is not the condition MS is in.

MS took a gamble launching the X360 early. Only last year and into this year has the X1 really started to shine, both in game support and sales. The X360 sales are being hurt by both the PS2 AND X1. If Sony wanted to be honest, they would see that X1 and X360 sales combined beat the PS2. MS started the next-gen handoff early and is paying for it in slower-than-usual sales, but they knew it would happen.

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once the ps3 and wii come out, the xbox 360 will sell better

You have to remember that a LOT of consumers like comparisons. I can count on both hands the number of people I know that are waiting for the PS3 to come out simply to see if it is worth their money. If they deem that the PS3 is better, X360 gains nothing, but if they don't like PS3, X360 will receive a slew of new customers. On top of that, the game library for X360 will really distinguish itself from X1 in the coming months, making the upgrade seem much more valuable - especially in comparison with the PS3's higher price.

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This could be bad, if game developers see the ps3, or wii do much better, they might make more games for the other systems.

Yeah, but that doesn't happen overnight, and to date we have seen many developers jump ship from PS3 to X360. The game also tends to define which console it will sell on simply due to demographics. If the Wii outsells the X360 by 2X, but a publisher wants to sell a FPS, chances are it will fare much better on the X360, given that the X360 has a firm hold on the console shooter market. It's not always as cut-and-dry as "more hardware sales = developer shift".


RE: But
By dwalton on 9/22/2006 5:48:19 PM , Rating: 2
In the Xbox time line, you would be able to buy for $199.00 right now and would have since last May.

$199.00 vs. $299/$399 isn't hard to see why the xbox360 isn't out pacing the xbox1, especially at the slowest time of the year in terms of sales.


Are you kidding?
By crystal clear on 9/23/2006 5:35:40 AM , Rating: 2
"And if I were Microsoft, the big concern I'd have is... Xbox 360 is actually doing worse than the original Xbox did."

Your biggest concern is PS3 my friend-
* get the product into the market,instead of the blah blah..
*Price it right for it to sell.
*Get enough units on the store shelves up for sale.
*Will PS3 live up to the expection you built up over time.

Hey your hands are full of problems & your concern is MS & their XBOX?
Let the consumers /users decide who/which is better,thats their right/job.
Let me remind you MS has a product on the shelves you have not.
MS XBOX gave you the jitters enough to cut your prices even before it is launched or up for sale.
If you were MS you would be concerned & IF I was at Sony I would spending lots of sleepless nights-WORRIED,whats bad news awaiting me next.
Promote your product not by attacking the competition,rather
the features of the PS3.
You got it all wrong-some people just dont do it right,thats Sony.
Give the PS3 to Apple & see the difference from R&D to quality,production to marketing.(I dont represent Apple-just comparision).
If your intention is to keep PS3 in the news-people dont
get impressed by this.




PS2 Outsells PS3, Then What?
By Maruta731 on 9/23/2006 10:01:23 PM , Rating: 2
After the PS3 launches, I wonder what Jack Tretton will say when the PS2 continues to outsell the PS3, year after year. "Market share doesn't matter."?




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