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A high-resolution image of the 60GB PS3
SCEA CEO says PS3 price drop still a ways off while Japan sees the cheapest PS3 yet

Along with the Neo Geo and 3DO, the PlayStation 3 is one of the most expensive consoles ever released. While price drops are inevitable during any console’s lifespan, those holding off until a cheaper PS3 rolls around may find themselves waiting longer than expected. As noted by Joystiq, Game Informer magazine interviewed SCEA’s President and CEO Jack Tretton and one of the topics discussed was PS3’s cost.

The magazine asked if the PS3 would see a price drop schedule similar to PS2, which saw a reduction of a third from $299 to $199 just over a year and a half after launch. Tretton replied to the question with a simple “No,” thus leaving the current price points where they are at for at least the rest of 2007.

Tretton reasoned that the enormous R&D costs of the PS3 make it “a lot more difficult to cost reduce” than the PS2. “There's a heck of a lot more under the hood and it costs us more money to make it,” said Tretton. He may be referring to the fact that Sony is selling every one of its new consoles at a loss, making it nearly impossible to move on the price until manufacturing costs are reduced. Analysts currently estimate that Sony is taking a $241 hit on 60GB versions, and a $307 loss on 20GB PS3s.

The Sony executive remained confident in the machine’s price point, saying that the PS3 still represents an excellent value. “I think the consumers that get their hands on a PlayStation 3 clearly see the value and not only want to buy one for $599, in some instances they're willing to pay ridiculous prices to buy one on eBay,” Tretton said.

While Tretton’s words apply specifically to the North American market, the pricing situation is a little different in other territories. The Japanese market received a price-reduced to ¥49,980 ($411) 20GB PS3 before the machine even launched in response to public outcry.

European gamers, who have had to wait for PS3 whether they mind it or not, will be seeing the new console in March at €599 ($777) for the 60GB, and €499 ($648) for the 20GB models – considerably higher than what North Americans and Japanese pay. The UK may get the worst of it all, as the 60GB PS3 will go for £425 ($842) for the 20GB PS3 it will be £350 ($694).

Although Europe may always lag behind the rest of the world for console releases, it may be the first territory to receive a drop in price. With the PS3 selling in Europe at prices much closer to the machine’s manufacturing costs, Sony could have a lot more room to work with. If the PS3 gets a lukewarm – or even cold – reception at launch, it may not be surprising to see adjustments to price or, more likely, the introduction of value-added software bundles.

Going back to Japan, demand for the machine appears to be so low in certain parts of the country that retailers have taken it upon themselves to lower the price. Kotaku reports that sales of the console are so stagnant in Japan that select retailers are taking 20 percent off the price of the 20GB console in hopes to attract buyers. At the sale price of ¥39,980 ($329), Japan has PlayStation 3 at prices that make the rest of the world jealous.



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Ouch
By zsouthboy on 1/23/2007 10:52:19 AM , Rating: 2
Meanwhile, MS and Ninty are both making money on their consoles.

Ouch to sony. Must suck to go in the red another $300 every time someone actually buys a ps3.




RE: Ouch
By vdig on 1/23/07, Rating: 0
RE: Ouch
By ViperROhb34 on 1/23/2007 11:50:49 AM , Rating: 2
Man if you need a link that they are making a profit off of 360 You'are REALLY behind on the NEWS !! That was 4 months ago ! LOL


RE: Ouch
By ViperROhb34 on 1/23/2007 11:55:17 AM , Rating: 2
http://www.videogamesblogger.com/2006/11/16/ps3-lo...

To also UPDATE you on "Current News" its one of the reasons MS is looking at updating newer versions of 360 with HDMI port.. etc.. their cost of making 360 has been reduced.


RE: Ouch
By jtyson on 1/23/2007 3:04:20 PM , Rating: 2
Viper, you sound pretty certain that MS is going to release an updated Xbox 360, but Microsoft has categorically denied that these rumors are true. Bill Gates himself flat out shot-down any hopes of an HDMI port, or a bigger hard drive... In fact, they posted the story on this site:

http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=5785


RE: Ouch
By AnnihilatorX on 1/23/2007 4:53:57 PM , Rating: 3
Well The prototype Xbox 360 with HDMI is real

By the time everyone is on HD wagon, they will need to have HDMI capable Xbox360

It's very logical for them to deny rumors as every company will do because otherwise it's just gonna hurt sales of current Xbox360s.


RE: Ouch
By Christopher1 on 1/25/2007 7:34:44 AM , Rating: 2
True. That's why I wait for at LEAST two years after a console is released to buy it. My last console was an XBox, and I bought it 3 years after it was released.

Just not worth it to buy consoles at the beginning anymore, they haven't had time to work out the bugs and TRULY get them fully-baked.

PC's are where it is at for gaming right now. There is already someone working on an XBox emulator, there is a PS2 emulator (I am using it with my legally bought disks), and there are emulators for everything dating back to the Atari era.

PC's are outstripping consoles right now for raw Processing Power and graphics power. Sure, you need a relatively fast system for these emulators......... but I'm running the PS one on my 4 year old EMachines, no problems.


RE: Ouch
By ATC on 1/24/2007 1:58:03 AM , Rating: 2
Are you seriously waiting for an official announcement from MSFT now regarding an updated 360? There is no way in hell they would do that. They will continue to deny everything until a day or two before release. Doing otherwise would be shooting themselves in the foot.

MSFT has a history of denying rumours that almost all turned out to be true. But from a marketing perspective, it really shouldn't come as a surprise.


RE: Ouch
By Samus on 1/24/2007 10:45:47 AM , Rating: 1
Stop calling them MSFT, that's their stock symbol, not their name. MS or Redmond is appropriate enough.


RE: Ouch
By NateBall on 1/25/2007 2:42:17 PM , Rating: 2
...beware of control freak!


RE: Ouch
By zsouthboy on 1/23/2007 12:05:35 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah MS is making something like $100 per console now, which has many people guessing "price-drop" :)

I bet they'll do the stupid "value-added" BS first, though, instead. (See also: PSP) You know, bundle a crappy game that should be sitting in the value section instead, with the console. Maybe LIVE points or something.

Corporations hate dropping the price of products. Ugh.
I know why, but it still doesn't make me happy.

I do bet that if MS dropped the Core down to $199 they would get a ridiculous amount of sales.


RE: Ouch
By vdig on 1/23/2007 4:14:08 PM , Rating: 2
I'm four months behind on that? Whoops! How did I miss that when it was NEWs?

I know of many people that want Wii units, and far less for the PS3, at the moment. However, I too am noticing that the climbing demand is tapering off at this location (Toronto, surrounding municipalities). Still, the Wii units are sold out, and continue to sell out quick. PS3... I can wait. Need software, or PS3 compatible DDR pads to work on a Linux version of Stepmania. One or the other, but preferably both.

Units in your area are not selling out? I think that's an error in unit distribution. Too many units in a location with too few interested consumers. My reply is:
Get the units, then sell on E-Bay. People are still wanting in other locations in North America, let alone the world, I'm sure.


RE: Ouch
By JeffDM on 1/23/2007 10:53:43 PM , Rating: 2
You are best off ignoring iSuppli's numbers. Don't assume the corporation is making money off a device unless iSuppli is saying the part costs count for less than 50% of the list price. iSuppli only looks at the gross margin and that doesn't count anything other than parts and some assembly.

I doubt that MS is netting $100 a console. Just because it only costs maybe $300 to buy the parts for a $400 SRP device doesn't mean they are making money because there are a lot of other expenses that the iSuppi numbers simply don't consider. Those goofy ads cost a lot of money, and retailers want a cut too. Shipping and distribution costs money. It costed a lot of money to develop the platform as well.


RE: Ouch
By whalenapp81 on 1/23/2007 12:52:00 PM , Rating: 2
microsoft makes $75 per console, from the hardware side of things, but that doesnt include marketing and such


RE: Ouch
By whalenapp81 on 1/23/2007 12:54:32 PM , Rating: 2
and the only thing nintendo did wrong during their launch was underestimating demand, they have gotten close to 1.5 million in both japan and us, and im sure close to 1 million in europe.


RE: Ouch
By thejez on 1/23/2007 1:25:47 PM , Rating: 2
you do realize that these consoles are sitting on shelves all over the US right now unsold... AND they just reduced there shipping estimates by 25%! I think they oeverestimated how many they would sell...


RE: Ouch
By Russell on 1/23/2007 2:33:36 PM , Rating: 3
Show me where Wiis are sitting unsold on the shelves and I'll show you about 50 friends who still cannot find one for sale outside of eBay.


RE: Ouch
By rushfan2006 on 1/23/2007 2:48:06 PM , Rating: 1
No hype. No emotion...no kidding...just fact but...

Wii's are fairly easily available in my area Game Stop's and EB Games now on a walk in basis. Not as much as PS3's -- which are a dime a dozen...in honesty I can tell you where you can find collectively about 50 PS3's in stock right now among 4 stores within a 6 mile radius of my house.

My brother just picked up a Wii (he has two kids -- a 5 year old and a 6 1/2 year old) this past weekend and he called me up to say "Wow this thing is a blast, I got it for the kids but I'm having a ball with it myself." lol.

I'll probably check it out this weekend (his daughter's b-day party anyway).



RE: Ouch
By snowydarf on 1/23/2007 4:16:39 PM , Rating: 2
I stood in line for 4 hours Sunday morning to get one. Almost impossible to get around here. Yet every Walmart and Best Buy around has PS3s. Oh well, lucky him.

But yes, Nintendo has a following and they have every reason to boast. Its not about how much crap you put in the trunk but how creatively the trunk is shaped.