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A high-resolution image of the 60GB PS3
SCEA CEO says PS3 price drop still a ways off while Japan sees the cheapest PS3 yet

Along with the Neo Geo and 3DO, the PlayStation 3 is one of the most expensive consoles ever released. While price drops are inevitable during any console’s lifespan, those holding off until a cheaper PS3 rolls around may find themselves waiting longer than expected. As noted by Joystiq, Game Informer magazine interviewed SCEA’s President and CEO Jack Tretton and one of the topics discussed was PS3’s cost.

The magazine asked if the PS3 would see a price drop schedule similar to PS2, which saw a reduction of a third from $299 to $199 just over a year and a half after launch. Tretton replied to the question with a simple “No,” thus leaving the current price points where they are at for at least the rest of 2007.

Tretton reasoned that the enormous R&D costs of the PS3 make it “a lot more difficult to cost reduce” than the PS2. “There's a heck of a lot more under the hood and it costs us more money to make it,” said Tretton. He may be referring to the fact that Sony is selling every one of its new consoles at a loss, making it nearly impossible to move on the price until manufacturing costs are reduced. Analysts currently estimate that Sony is taking a $241 hit on 60GB versions, and a $307 loss on 20GB PS3s.

The Sony executive remained confident in the machine’s price point, saying that the PS3 still represents an excellent value. “I think the consumers that get their hands on a PlayStation 3 clearly see the value and not only want to buy one for $599, in some instances they're willing to pay ridiculous prices to buy one on eBay,” Tretton said.

While Tretton’s words apply specifically to the North American market, the pricing situation is a little different in other territories. The Japanese market received a price-reduced to ¥49,980 ($411) 20GB PS3 before the machine even launched in response to public outcry.

European gamers, who have had to wait for PS3 whether they mind it or not, will be seeing the new console in March at €599 ($777) for the 60GB, and €499 ($648) for the 20GB models – considerably higher than what North Americans and Japanese pay. The UK may get the worst of it all, as the 60GB PS3 will go for £425 ($842) for the 20GB PS3 it will be £350 ($694).

Although Europe may always lag behind the rest of the world for console releases, it may be the first territory to receive a drop in price. With the PS3 selling in Europe at prices much closer to the machine’s manufacturing costs, Sony could have a lot more room to work with. If the PS3 gets a lukewarm – or even cold – reception at launch, it may not be surprising to see adjustments to price or, more likely, the introduction of value-added software bundles.

Going back to Japan, demand for the machine appears to be so low in certain parts of the country that retailers have taken it upon themselves to lower the price. Kotaku reports that sales of the console are so stagnant in Japan that select retailers are taking 20 percent off the price of the 20GB console in hopes to attract buyers. At the sale price of ¥39,980 ($329), Japan has PlayStation 3 at prices that make the rest of the world jealous.



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Ouch
By zsouthboy on 1/23/2007 10:52:19 AM , Rating: 2
Meanwhile, MS and Ninty are both making money on their consoles.

Ouch to sony. Must suck to go in the red another $300 every time someone actually buys a ps3.




RE: Ouch
By vdig on 1/23/07, Rating: 0
RE: Ouch
By ViperROhb34 on 1/23/2007 11:50:49 AM , Rating: 2
Man if you need a link that they are making a profit off of 360 You'are REALLY behind on the NEWS !! That was 4 months ago ! LOL


RE: Ouch
By ViperROhb34 on 1/23/2007 11:55:17 AM , Rating: 2
http://www.videogamesblogger.com/2006/11/16/ps3-lo...

To also UPDATE you on "Current News" its one of the reasons MS is looking at updating newer versions of 360 with HDMI port.. etc.. their cost of making 360 has been reduced.


RE: Ouch
By jtyson on 1/23/2007 3:04:20 PM , Rating: 2
Viper, you sound pretty certain that MS is going to release an updated Xbox 360, but Microsoft has categorically denied that these rumors are true. Bill Gates himself flat out shot-down any hopes of an HDMI port, or a bigger hard drive... In fact, they posted the story on this site:

http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=5785


RE: Ouch
By AnnihilatorX on 1/23/2007 4:53:57 PM , Rating: 3
Well The prototype Xbox 360 with HDMI is real

By the time everyone is on HD wagon, they will need to have HDMI capable Xbox360

It's very logical for them to deny rumors as every company will do because otherwise it's just gonna hurt sales of current Xbox360s.


RE: Ouch
By Christopher1 on 1/25/2007 7:34:44 AM , Rating: 2
True. That's why I wait for at LEAST two years after a console is released to buy it. My last console was an XBox, and I bought it 3 years after it was released.

Just not worth it to buy consoles at the beginning anymore, they haven't had time to work out the bugs and TRULY get them fully-baked.

PC's are where it is at for gaming right now. There is already someone working on an XBox emulator, there is a PS2 emulator (I am using it with my legally bought disks), and there are emulators for everything dating back to the Atari era.

PC's are outstripping consoles right now for raw Processing Power and graphics power. Sure, you need a relatively fast system for these emulators......... but I'm running the PS one on my 4 year old EMachines, no problems.


RE: Ouch
By ATC on 1/24/2007 1:58:03 AM , Rating: 2
Are you seriously waiting for an official announcement from MSFT now regarding an updated 360? There is no way in hell they would do that. They will continue to deny everything until a day or two before release. Doing otherwise would be shooting themselves in the foot.

MSFT has a history of denying rumours that almost all turned out to be true. But from a marketing perspective, it really shouldn't come as a surprise.


RE: Ouch
By Samus on 1/24/2007 10:45:47 AM , Rating: 1
Stop calling them MSFT, that's their stock symbol, not their name. MS or Redmond is appropriate enough.


RE: Ouch
By NateBall on 1/25/2007 2:42:17 PM , Rating: 2
...beware of control freak!


RE: Ouch
By zsouthboy on 1/23/2007 12:05:35 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah MS is making something like $100 per console now, which has many people guessing "price-drop" :)

I bet they'll do the stupid "value-added" BS first, though, instead. (See also: PSP) You know, bundle a crappy game that should be sitting in the value section instead, with the console. Maybe LIVE points or something.

Corporations hate dropping the price of products. Ugh.
I know why, but it still doesn't make me happy.

I do bet that if MS dropped the Core down to $199 they would get a ridiculous amount of sales.


RE: Ouch
By vdig on 1/23/2007 4:14:08 PM , Rating: 2
I'm four months behind on that? Whoops! How did I miss that when it was NEWs?

I know of many people that want Wii units, and far less for the PS3, at the moment. However, I too am noticing that the climbing demand is tapering off at this location (Toronto, surrounding municipalities). Still, the Wii units are sold out, and continue to sell out quick. PS3... I can wait. Need software, or PS3 compatible DDR pads to work on a Linux version of Stepmania. One or the other, but preferably both.

Units in your area are not selling out? I think that's an error in unit distribution. Too many units in a location with too few interested consumers. My reply is:
Get the units, then sell on E-Bay. People are still wanting in other locations in North America, let alone the world, I'm sure.


RE: Ouch
By JeffDM on 1/23/2007 10:53:43 PM , Rating: 2
You are best off ignoring iSuppli's numbers. Don't assume the corporation is making money off a device unless iSuppli is saying the part costs count for less than 50% of the list price. iSuppli only looks at the gross margin and that doesn't count anything other than parts and some assembly.

I doubt that MS is netting $100 a console. Just because it only costs maybe $300 to buy the parts for a $400 SRP device doesn't mean they are making money because there are a lot of other expenses that the iSuppi numbers simply don't consider. Those goofy ads cost a lot of money, and retailers want a cut too. Shipping and distribution costs money. It costed a lot of money to develop the platform as well.


RE: Ouch
By whalenapp81 on 1/23/2007 12:52:00 PM , Rating: 2
microsoft makes $75 per console, from the hardware side of things, but that doesnt include marketing and such


RE: Ouch
By whalenapp81 on 1/23/2007 12:54:32 PM , Rating: 2
and the only thing nintendo did wrong during their launch was underestimating demand, they have gotten close to 1.5 million in both japan and us, and im sure close to 1 million in europe.


RE: Ouch
By thejez on 1/23/2007 1:25:47 PM , Rating: 2
you do realize that these consoles are sitting on shelves all over the US right now unsold... AND they just reduced there shipping estimates by 25%! I think they oeverestimated how many they would sell...


RE: Ouch
By Russell on 1/23/2007 2:33:36 PM , Rating: 3
Show me where Wiis are sitting unsold on the shelves and I'll show you about 50 friends who still cannot find one for sale outside of eBay.


RE: Ouch
By rushfan2006 on 1/23/2007 2:48:06 PM , Rating: 1
No hype. No emotion...no kidding...just fact but...

Wii's are fairly easily available in my area Game Stop's and EB Games now on a walk in basis. Not as much as PS3's -- which are a dime a dozen...in honesty I can tell you where you can find collectively about 50 PS3's in stock right now among 4 stores within a 6 mile radius of my house.

My brother just picked up a Wii (he has two kids -- a 5 year old and a 6 1/2 year old) this past weekend and he called me up to say "Wow this thing is a blast, I got it for the kids but I'm having a ball with it myself." lol.

I'll probably check it out this weekend (his daughter's b-day party anyway).



RE: Ouch
By snowydarf on 1/23/2007 4:16:39 PM , Rating: 2
I stood in line for 4 hours Sunday morning to get one. Almost impossible to get around here. Yet every Walmart and Best Buy around has PS3s. Oh well, lucky him.

But yes, Nintendo has a following and they have every reason to boast. Its not about how much crap you put in the trunk but how creatively the trunk is shaped.


RE: Ouch
By darkpaw on 1/24/2007 11:55:32 AM , Rating: 1
Yah, haven't been able to find a single Wii either. PS3s are everywhere though.

I even looked for a WII when I was on business travel in a different area over the weekend and couldn't find one.


RE: Ouch
By encryptkeeper on 1/23/2007 5:21:22 PM , Rating: 1
I hear you. The guys at Microsoft scare me like crazy. They want to be the standard for ALL data communications and storage. Bill Gates will wind up like Bob Page from Deus Ex if we don't watch out. Seriously though, the guys that present new products from Microsoft are REALLY retarded. I've seen it first hand, and believe me, it's not pretty.


RE: Ouch
By Samus on 1/24/2007 10:44:49 AM , Rating: 2
Microsoft's going to make crazy bank once the CPU die shrinks too.


RE: Ouch
By mircea on 1/24/2007 4:09:22 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Ouch to sony. Must suck to go in the red another $300 every time someone actually buys a ps3.


Actually Sony has already lost $800-$900 on making each unit, so selling them helps them recover $500-600 on each unit. So even selling at a loss is better than not selling them. Now they decided that the loss can't be more than that so the customer will decide from now if it agrees.


RE: Ouch
By oTAL on 1/30/2007 4:11:29 PM , Rating: 2
Your economics suck...
For every console produced is a console they make... so that means they loose more money for every console they sell.

This is obviously the tip of the iceberg, since volume will drive production costs down, and game sales (driven by installed user base) will provide a profit.
Still, right now and for the short run, Sony is loosing money for every person that buys a PS3. If you had an infinite amount of funds and you wanted to screw them you could buy their entire stock and publicly burn it to the ground (in order to cancel some of the positive effects of high sales). Believe it or not, that would hurt their business even though you were buying and *paying* (an arm and a leg) for their product.


An awful value even at $329.
By Golgatha777 on 1/23/2007 10:11:21 AM , Rating: 5
I'm not sure I'd even give $329 for one given that I get 99%+ of it's functionality from my already purchased PS2. What do I need it for? Resistance, a reduced bank roll, and a bunch of first(beta)-gen hardware headaches?




RE: An awful value even at $329.
By jak3676 on 1/23/2007 10:40:50 AM , Rating: 2
I'm with you - I don't see upgrading my PS2 anytime soon. If they drop to $299 in 2008 I may pick one up just to have a blue-ray player. But if the HD/BD battle goes to dual-format machines (like I think it will), then there won't be much point in getting a PS3 just for the player either. I guess that's why I'm in a wait and see approach all the way around.


RE: An awful value even at $329.
By Teletran1 on 1/23/2007 11:11:11 AM , Rating: 2
Why would any business state that they are going to drop the price of something at some point? Should he give you the exact date in which it is going to drop?

Sony can and will reduce the manufacturing costs since they can make all of the major components themselves. They are not going to talk price cuts because that will only lead to more people who are the fence to wait for a price cut and reduce sales even further now. MS has said no to price cuts as well. If Sony's sales really fall off because of price point or MS reduces cost then Sony will be forced to reduce price.

This article provides someones opinion on when a price cut will occur based on the fact that the Sony Rep only said "NO". He didn't give a date. The author of the article did.


RE: An awful value even at $329.
By masher2 (blog) on 1/23/2007 11:27:35 AM , Rating: 3
I'm glad to see someone else here gets it. The PS3 will drop in price on a timely schedule, just like the PS2 and every other piece of high-tech gear. Its just good business to not telegraph your price cuts too far in advance.



By ViperROhb34 on 1/23/2007 11:49:01 AM , Rating: 2
Man if you need a link for that you're behind on reality.

The NEWS that they were making a profit on 360 is about 4 months old !! LOL


By rushfan2006 on 1/23/2007 12:39:26 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed. It would just be irresponsible management if a company announced a planned price reduction to one of their products...let alone onr of their more/most popular product lines.

As for another thing that I personally hurts the "value" of a PS3 isn't just the price tag, but where are the quality titles? I'm not talking just a dozen , heck even 20 quality titles either...if I'm shelling out big bucks for a system it better deliver a ton of QUALITY games, and a fair amount of exclusive games too (that don't suck btw).

If the games are there, and in the right numbers of the right amount of fun and good titles -- people will see the system as more value and it might help to justify the higher upfront investment of owning one.



RE: An awful value even at $329.
By akugami on 1/24/2007 4:40:21 AM , Rating: 3
I used to watch this one place that was popular as a lunch spot. Every day at roughly the same time, they would discount what was left of their lunch menu. Every day there would be a throng of people waiting in line for the discounted lunch items. It was getting to the point where no one was buying lunch at the regular price.


RE: An awful value even at $329.
By borowki on 1/23/2007 5:05:39 PM , Rating: 2
In any event, whether Sony can cost-reduce the console isn't the primary factor in determining the price schedule. Sony would have to respond like-it-or-not if Microsoft moves aggressively or demand sags.

Some stores in Japan are apparently already discounting the PS3:

http://kotaku.com/gaming/top/japanese-stores-slash...

The pressure for an official cut will soon prove irresistible. I'd be really surprise if there isn't one within six months.


RE: An awful value even at $329.
By Bladen on 1/24/2007 3:41:39 AM , Rating: 2
Say hello to my friends at Intel and AMD, they announce future price drops all the time.


By therealnickdanger on 1/24/2007 8:42:58 AM , Rating: 2
Yes, but that's because demand for their products is so incredibly high and they always have something newer and better to replace the price point. When they annouce future prices, it's typically aimed at OEMs, as incentive for them to stay on board and sign contracts for future products and savings. At the pace technology is moving, they have to market their products beyond the present in order to stay current... if that makes any sense...


Sony says Europe can suck it basically....
By jon1003 on 1/23/2007 10:16:48 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
European gamers, who have had to wait for PS3 whether they mind it or not, will be seeing the new console in March at €599 ($777) for the 60GB, and €499 ($648) for the 20GB models – considerably higher than what North Americans and Japanese pay. The UK may get the worst of it all, as the 60GB PS3 will go for £425 ($842) for the 20GB PS3 it will be £350 ($694).
Sony really seems to hate Europe. First they push back the launch day, then they legally bar imports of the console(except if you can get one on ebay or something), THEN to top it all off they charge you a whole lot more for it than the rest of the world! Wow. Maybe after the Europe release someone will buy the consoles on sale in Japan that aren't selling, send them to Eu, sell them for less than Sony, and Still make a profit.




By ViperROhb34 on 1/23/2007 12:01:05 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe one reason for the delay is the Profile of the Avg PS2 buyer in Europe is a family on a budget of 35 K .. They can't afford a PS3 there.. at least not when you look at high volume sales that Sony needs to make Devs say "We need to make Uber games for this and make money" because you can't make money off low volumes of game sales.

This 1st year is critical for Sony. In any console you've seen the 1st year is critical. Most of the consoles are sold in the 1st year and alittle less every year after - except in cases like PS2 because it was just released in China 2-3 yrs ago..

If console sales stay low this year it will affect whether DEVS want to make games for this and want to spend the Revenue ( or can justify it ) for an exclusive title.


RE: Sony says Europe can suck it basically....
By masher2 (blog) on 1/23/2007 8:18:00 PM , Rating: 3
> "to top it all off they charge you a whole lot more for it than the rest of the world! Wow..."

Blame your government(s). Selling things in the EU is expensive...a whole lot of additional regulations to comply with.


RE: Sony says Europe can suck it basically....
By JeffDM on 1/23/2007 11:03:58 PM , Rating: 2
I don't think it's necessarily the regulations, it's the taxes. It costs money to provide decent roads vs. the crap highways and other infrastructure than the US generally has. Unemployment and social services are better too. Europe also has better health care and gives it to everyone, even the bums. None of the services that Europe gives to its citizens are cheap. It's not panacea, but I understand why stuff costs more there.


By TheDoc9 on 1/24/2007 4:26:58 PM , Rating: 2
better roads and infrastructure? Where is your proof. And when did taxing the working people to pay EVERYONE ELSES medical bills become a good thing?

Maybe if your lucky, you can all start working for free and for each other like in star trek....wait that's called socialism.


By Lothar on 1/23/2007 11:35:55 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Blame your government(s). Selling things in the EU is expensive...a whole lot of additional regulations to comply with.


OK, so what is your explanation for it being more expensive in the UK than the rest of Europe?

I don't believe UK has more regulations for companies to comply with compared to say France, Germany, and some of the "socialist" countries.

If you could show us how the UK has more regulations or taxes products and businesses more than all the remaining countries(including the socialist ones) on the European continent that would be great.


And what I mean by...
By Sahrin on 1/23/2007 11:07:31 AM , Rating: 2
And what I mean by "difficult to cost reduce" is ... gamers and earliy adopters are going to subsidize our phenomenally high development costs because instead of adopting a format that would appeal to consumers or utilizing a much more conventional processor that would appeal to developers, we decided to reinvent the wheel and threw billions of dollars of our stockholders money down the toilet, and now, if we give price cuts we have to take a loss, thus admitting to the board of directors and shareholders that we mismanaged the whole affair.




RE: And what I mean by...
By ViperROhb34 on 1/23/2007 12:05:35 PM , Rating: 2
LOL, well said


By nurbsenvi on 1/23/2007 11:12:13 AM , Rating: 2
I think Sony got it all wrong about the pricing of PS3,
while PS3 might be a very good value with all the functionality it has, general public just wouldn't pay anything over $300 dollars for a game machine...




By ViperROhb34 on 1/23/2007 12:04:30 PM , Rating: 2
Agreed ! !

I could barely afford a 360 Premium and Im single and make 35k a year.

I'm honestly surprised they've sold 10 million in a year but after seeing the NPD Group report ( before that you could only rely on guesses ) that they've sold 5 million in just America alone ( in one year ) is obvious the rest of the world can easily buy 5 million ( in one year )..


Buy
By afkrotch on 1/23/2007 11:20:33 PM , Rating: 2
Been thinking of going out and buying myself a Japanese PS3. I was at a BookOff and saw they had an Armored Core game for the PS3. There's now 4 games for the PS3 that I'd want. May just wait for it to hit 5 - 6 games before I drop down the $$.

I'd get an Xbox360 also, but only 2 games on that console I want and I'm sure there's still a long ways to go before they release DOA 5 / Xtreme Beach Volleyball 3. No, I don't care about Gears of War, Halo 3, etc. I have a PC for my FPS.




RE: Buy
By bigbrent88 on 1/26/2007 5:15:47 PM , Rating: 2
Ive been thinking about this topic and have an answer. Yes, its undeniable that it will cost reduce easy, but only after a few guidelines are met.
1-They have to start using the cell in other products! Wasn't it designed for HD decoding along with PS3 use? So it should start showing up in TV's, DVR's and such soon which reduces construction costs down the road.
2-BR needs to kick off and more players need to be made along with the PS3, once they really start working on those production cost will go down. Hell they just got manufacturing lines for those in place right before the launch so it should reduce quickly.

I forget what the prices were but the BR drive and Cell were the largest chunk of the cost, something like $400-500. So reducing those will go a long way.


How many here actually have/have played one?
By hergieburbur on 1/25/2007 1:50:42 AM , Rating: 2
I think its funny that most of the people bashing the PS3 and Sony here don't even have or want one. If you don't want one, you aren't inclined to have a positive opinion of it, and therefore are going to be biased about anything you hear about it. And if you haven't played it (I mean more than an in store trial), then how do you know the games suck, which is a highly subjective matter anyway?

That being said, I have one, and I am really happy with it. When considering the games, plus the Blu-ray, easy of using for media, and the ability to install linux, (plus the fact that it actually ISN'T that much more expensive than XBox 360 if you count the HD-DVD add on along with the lack ov HDMI in the current revision), I thought it was worth it.

Do I think anyone actually NEEDS one now? NO. I bought one because they had it, and I decided I wanted the next-gen version of NHL 2K7. I do think that the game library will vastly improve with the end of the year with MGS4, GTA4, and FF XIII among many others all on their way.

As for a price drop, I would almost guarantee one in the next 12-16 months. They aren't selling as fast as Sony hoped, they are a loss-leader product to begin with, and once the initial rush dies down, Sony will be forced to drop the price. On the other hand, it would be assinine for them to talk about that now, before its even released in Europe.




By Christopher1 on 1/25/2007 8:02:25 AM , Rating: 2
I played one at the store. It was pretty good, but not enough to make me spend $600 dollars on it. Sorry, but I wouldn't pay that much for the next Nintendo 8-bit (which would cost 1200 dollars in todays money).


This gen's Sega Saturn
By DeathBUA on 1/23/2007 10:18:33 AM , Rating: 2
Like more and more people are saying. This is the Sega Saturn debacle all over again. Or perhaps 3D0. Too much cost...too little in gaming...crappy internet/online store features....and COST

It's like beating a dead horse but that cost is such a killer.

And I can't speak for Europeans but I'm betting on a cold reception there given how Sony essentially gave them the cold shoulder by pushing the launch back so far.




Seems fishy
By Namicus on 1/23/2007 12:13:44 PM , Rating: 2
Doesn't it look like Sony is overcharging for the PS3 in the UK just to recoup for the lower console costs in the country they were banking would swallow whatever Sony launched?




No Games!
By deeznuts on 1/23/2007 1:40:24 PM , Rating: 2
I have a PS3. Having said that, I don't see any reason anyone needs to buy one until good games come out, which hasn't yet occurred. End of 2007 and through 2008 will decide how Sony does with their PS3. There is absolutely no games to play. However, I never owned a PS2 so I'm enjoying going back and playing some old games. Plus I don't really care about the price point and what not, I like new toys. If the PS3 flops and all games run to the Xbox well I'll just get that.




By knitecrow on 1/23/2007 9:24:29 PM , Rating: 2
Price reduction is one of the key factors in expanding your base. If you looks at the PS2 sales figures - you will find a significant surge after the ps2 dropped to $199.99. Heck, look at the current sales of PS2.

The xbox 360 is doing relatively well no price drops and I suspect a lot of people are waiting to buy the console when the prices drops to $199/$299.

$100 Price Drop + Halo3 + Zepher revision (65nm, HDMI) = PS3 DEATH.




So after all my bitching...
By michal198O on 1/23/07, Rating: -1
RE: So after all my bitching...
By lufoxe on 1/23/2007 10:49:55 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Hmm...OK I guess I might as well stick to this site anyway. Everywhere else on the web rags on Sony just as much as DailyTech does, so maybe Sony is fucking up.


No, that isn't possible, it just can't be! *runs off crying* </sarcasm>

after reading this article, is anyone really surprised? I'm gonna be honest here, I don't mind sony until they do stupid things. The PS3 is nice, if it had something that I wanted and at a slightly lower cost, I just might buy it. But as it standsnow, I can't afford it. There is nothing that makes me go... I NEED TO GET IT NOW! it was the same as the Xbox 360 (I know I'm gonna get arguments or rated down but w/e) when it launched there was nothing that was a deal maker, nothing that made me go "I want it!". I have a 360 now and I'm satisfied with it, but I'm still waiting for the games that I've been wanting. Anyway back to the topic, the PS3 isn't satans tool to grab your soul, it's just a cheap blu-ray player (It's too early to decide a next-gen standard, so the blu-ray player isn't attracting me.) And an expensive console, that while it is selling at a loss, it is just too much for my blood.


RE: So after all my bitching...
By Micronite on 1/23/2007 12:06:56 PM , Rating: 3
If only there were good news about Sony to report.


RE: So after all my bitching...
By KaiserCSS on 1/23/2007 1:50:41 PM , Rating: 2
If you find some good news about Sony, please feel free to report it. Otherwise, stop being such a damn stubborn fanboy and accept the fact that Sony is screwing up.


RE: So after all my bitching...
By daftrok on 1/23/2007 2:14:17 PM , Rating: 1
There are four main bad things about the ps3 and should be noted before buying it:
1)Price
2)Video Scaling
3)Backwards compatibility video/audio issues
4)Not being able to game/watch movie whilst downloading

Good things:
1)1080p
2)7.1 sound
3)Blu Ray
4)Bluetooth 2.0
5)Upgradable HDD
6)Easy transfer of songs/videos/photos to HDD
7)Generally free online play
8)Freedom of using accessories
9)Prospect of amazing games (Resistance, Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword, Lair, Final Fantasy 13, Metal Gear Solid 4, Tekken 6, Devil May Cry 4, GTA 4, Gran Turismo 5, NBA 2k7, Fight NIght Round 3, Resistance 2, Killzone 2, God of War 3?, Oblivion, FEAR, Rainbow 6 Vegas, etc.)

The Playstation 3 is an AMAZING console, it is just out of my price range. I have a 480i/480p/720p/1080i television so video scaling isn't really a problem for me. After hearing those backwards compatibility issues I would most likely keep my ps2 with my ps3 until that issue is resolved. Though I can see that as annoying, the downloading issue will most likely be solved and either way I would download when not using the console for movie watching or gaming. So really the only thing keeping me from buying it is the price and (I know a lot of you hate to admit it and will probably reply angrily) I think that is the only real reason why people aren't buying it.


RE: So after all my bitching...
By encryptkeeper on 1/23/2007 5:02:30 PM , Rating: 2
What you have to remember is that as price goes up, your evaluation of the benefits of that product go down. The PS3 is really targeted for those with high end HD tvs. For the 85% of gamers that don't have a 1080p set, it's pretty hard to justify my paying that much money for something I'll get practically no benefit from when I can pay 250 for a Wii or 400 for a 360. Each console has SOMETHING I'd like to play, so I have the choice of deciding what's best for my money. Right now, for most people it is NOT the PS3. Stop kidding yourself and admit it. Without the support of competitive price or even positive word of mouth, it really isn't looking like Sony will take over in a few years.


RE: So after all my bitching...
By daftrok on 1/23/2007 8:11:07 PM , Rating: 2
Read what I said. ITS JUST THE PRICE. If the low-end PS3 went for 399.99 I would get it in a heart beat (along with a million others). And those positive things that I said would push it over the edge. You can't pass up a bargain like that! Hardly anyone can. But I do admit that if the price doesn't start to go down, there are going to be problems for Sony.


RE: So after all my bitching...
By KaiserCSS on 1/24/2007 1:48:28 AM , Rating: 2
Dude, you are totally missing my point. I did not say ANYTHING against the PlayStation 3. I agree, it's a marvelous console that I would love to have if I could afford it. But the fact of the matter remains that Sony, as a company, has made some terrible choices lately and has received a lot of bad press because of it.


RE: So after all my bitching...
By CKDragon on 1/23/2007 2:21:52 PM , Rating: 2
Hey, I enjoy ripping on the original as much as everyone else here, but this guy is obviously not him.

Note the "O" instead of "0". Not to mention the post count. And logic...


RE: So after all my bitching...
By jtyson on 1/23/2007 3:19:46 PM , Rating: 2
Wow. That's just... wow ... So somebody actually took the time and energy to create an account with a username nearly identical to that of a Sony fanboy, so that they could fake said fanboy's transformation from a staunch Sony-supporter to an enlightened Sony-doubter? I've shit myself with shame.

By the by, good eye, CKDragon.


RE: So after all my bitching...
By michal198O on 1/23/2007 5:05:14 PM , Rating: 2
Come ON man, I'm really trying to be open minded here! I'm the real michael1980, I just used a different name to try and vote down all of the Nintendo fanboys (which I still hate) but now DailyTech won't let you create fake accounts to vote others down.


RE: So after all my bitching...
By sdsdv10 on 1/23/2007 5:38:25 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I just used a different name to try and vote down all of the Nintendo fanboys (which I still hate) but now DailyTech won't let you create fake accounts to vote others down.


Man, you have way too much time on your hands...


RE: So after all my bitching...
By BladeVenom on 1/23/2007 7:47:47 PM , Rating: 2
I guess that's better than playing the PS3.


RE: So after all my bitching...
By akugami on 1/24/2007 4:37:28 AM , Rating: 2
And 10 times better than "working harder for your ps3" like good ol' Kenny tells you to.


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