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Could your shiny new GPS unit or iPhone make you more likely to die from a lightning strike? According to Russia, yes

From cell phones to MP3 players to GPS units, the average person today carries with them a wide variety of electronics.  Some have playfully suggested that the devices and their electrical character could attract lightning during a thunderstorm.  Could such urban legends be true?  It depends on who you ask.

In the past two weeks in Russia, over a dozen people were killed or injured in lightning strikes.  Leonid Tarkov of the Russian government weather observation center FOBOS says portable electronics are to blame.  He said cellular phones and music players are like lightning magnets.  He stated, "These things are electromagnetic field carriers.  That makes them, in essence, conductors. Thunderbolts are frequently attracted to such things, and hits are often connected with a lethal outcome."

Such an idea is considered outlandish by the general scientific community.  Virtually all scientists believe that lightning cannot follow the weak electromagnetic fields produced by, among other things, portable electronics.  However, scientists do acknowledge that carrying any metallic objects increased your risk of death should lightning happen to strike.

The Russian incidents were particularly gruesome.  Last Wednesday, a lightning bolt killed three sunbathers in the town of Neftekamsk, 800 miles east of Moscow.  According to reports the bolt sent 21 feet (7.6m) of sand flying in the air.  One of the victims, Marina Sadykova, 26, a mother of a 5-month-old boy, was talking on her cell phone when the lightning struck.  Her phone was found melted to her hand, according to police.

Among other recent fatal strikes were a 10-year-old boy on a bike, another young person talking on a cell phone, and an elderly farmer tending potato plants.  Mr. Tarkov offered an additional possible cause for the recent spike in deaths -- the increase in recent storms.  He said rainfall is up 139 percent for the month and Russia has been seeing increasingly severe weather.

He described the increase in rainfall, "The absolute July maximum was observed in July 1965, when 184 millimeters (7.24 inches) of precipitation fell on Moscow.  If such weather continues, it's not unlikely for the absolute maximum to be topped."

Lightning has left many without electricity and caused fires which burnt down some houses, according to the Russian media.  To blame for the weather, according to Tarkov is a vast anticyclone that has settled over the area first carries cool humid North Atlantic winds and, hours later, subtropical heat.  He explained, "This only happens once in five to seven years.  We haven't had such intensive storm activity in a while."

In the U.S., lightning strikes in Boston this week injured 10, leaving 4 in critical condition.  So far, no deaths have been reported.  The men were attending a soccer game and all were knocked unconscious.  Michael Bosse, an EMS deputy supervisor says he has never in his 27 years on the job seen 10 or more people hit by lightning at once.

However, in this case it appears that poor choices were to blame.  The people took shelter under a tall tree.  And when the lightning started, it was naturally drawn to the tree, the largest object, and the shock traveled over the ground to the people standing nearby.

For now it appears the consensus among scientists is this -- gadgets don't cause lightning strikes, but they do make them a bit more deadly. 



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First thing to pop in my head...
By ksherman on 7/21/2008 1:59:33 PM , Rating: 4
... when I saw "Russians" and "Lightning Deaths" in the same sentence:

Tesla Coils.




By Gravemind123 on 7/21/2008 2:13:42 PM , Rating: 3
I actually thought weather control device, as the Russians aren't going to use tesla coils on themselves.


RE: First thing to pop in my head...
By mmntech on 7/21/2008 2:13:55 PM , Rating: 2
Wasn't Tesla a Serb?

Lightning isn't attracted to metal, just the path of least resistance that happens to be grounded. ie You if you're dumb enough to go outside during a storm. Total BS report.


RE: First thing to pop in my head...
By JasonMick (blog) on 7/21/2008 2:17:33 PM , Rating: 3
Yea its kinda alarming to consider that the guys a leading weather researcher in Russia; shows you something about their state of weather science....

On the other hand it does bring up the interesting point that carrying gadgets does increase the risk of fatal strikes, something I didn't know about previously. This appears to be scientific consensus. Granted, the chances of getting struck in the first place are miniscule, but still worth noting.


By Master Kenobi (blog) on 7/21/2008 3:24:16 PM , Rating: 4
Well at least that way you don't need to worry about being mained for life and living as a cripple or some such. If you get hit your likely to die outright. That's not such a bad deal since surviving a lightning strike will likely cost you heavily.


By William Gaatjes on 7/21/2008 3:44:42 PM , Rating: 2
I would think :

A high current going through a conductor. If it is high enough the conductor will melt. If it is rally high, the conductor will go with a bang. I think that bang is what is so dangerous when carrying gadgets...


By bodar on 7/21/2008 2:23:15 PM , Rating: 4
I believe this is why he thought of Russia:

quote:
The Soviets also have superior defensive capabilities against both ground attacks (the devastating Tesla Coil) and air attacks (the long-ranged SAM).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_and_Conquer:_...

Great game.


RE: First thing to pop in my head...
By Clauzii on 7/21/2008 5:38:05 PM , Rating: 4
Yes, Nikola Tesla was born in the countryside, 1856, in Croatia but his father was a Serb Cardinal. When he got to the US he started to work for Eddison, that would reward him $50.000 if he could double the power of Eddisons Direct Current generators. Tesla made 24 different designs in a years time(!), but as the whole thing was a practical joke, Tesla quitted the job.

In 1887-88 he gets the AC designs in his head down on paper. He sells the patents to Eddisons competitor Westinghouse that, to Teslas satisfaction, wins the right to build New Yorks powerplants. Tesla then designs the worlds first AC powerplant, at the Niagra Falls.

He gets a new laboratory in a skyscraber which makes him very happy. A day in 1895 he made a 'little' oscillation experiment. That made windows blow and walls crumble in an area of ~1 Km2. When the police came he destroyed the machine with a hammer.

In 1898 he made a radio controlled 4.5 feet long electricity-driven boat - before radio was even invented! Tesla also claims to have send 100.000V all the way around the earth. The spark itself was to be 30 meters.

In 1915 Tesla owed $19.000 to Waldorf Astoria, but couldn't even pay the interrests, and had to give up his lab.

1917, May 16th he recieves the Eddison medal. (Tesla ran home from the ceremony to feed his pigeons!) Also in 1917, the 70 meter antenna on his former lab, in panic, got blown away by Teslas creditors and the US navy.

In his last years he lives at the Hotel New Yorker, becoming more and more weird.

He dies Jan. 7th 1943, age 87. Shortly thereafter FBI took all his papers. 21nd of June he was titled the rightfull inventor of the radio.

--

Here is a list of some of Teslas electrifying ideas:

Patent #335.786 (Teslas first), Feb. 9th, 1886, electrical arclight.

Patent #359.748, 1887: Dynamo electric machine.

Patent #381.970, May 1st, 1888: Electricity distribution system. Alternate Currents over the oceans.

Patent #382.282, May 1st, 1888: Method to convert and distribute electric currents "Like in rivers that splits and floats further on into the oceans."

Patent #383.280, May 1st, 1888: Electric transmission of power.

Patent #390.413, Oct. 2nd, 1888: System for distribuition of electricity.

Patent #433.701, Aug. 5th, 1890: Alternate Current Motor. (The idea for the induction engine came to him while telling Goethes "Faust" to a friend!)

Patent #447.921, March 10th, 1891: Alternate Current generator.

Patent #462.418, Nov. 3rd, 1891: Method and apparatus to produce and distribute electricity.

Patent #645.576, March 20th, 1900: System to transmit electic energy.

Patent #649.621, May 15th, 1900: Apperatus to transmit electric energy.

Patent #685.955, Nov. 5th, 1901: Apperatus to send and recieve elctricity through air.

Patent #685.956, Nov. 5th, 1901: Apperatus to use elctricity send through the air.

Patent #1.113.716, Oct. 13, 1914: A fountain(!).

Patent #1.655.113, Jan. 3rd, 1928: Method to travel trough the air.

Patent #1.655.114, Jan. 3rd, 1928: Apperatus to travel trough the air.


RE: First thing to pop in my head...
By Justin Case on 7/21/2008 8:54:45 PM , Rating: 3
Tesla was also known to be... let's say, a specialist at self-promotion. Several of his experiments (ex., the "earthquake machine") have been repeated and the results were significantly less spectacular than what he claimed.

And radio waves were discovered in 1878 by David Hughes (and properly understood by Hertz 10 years later). Tesla himself had been using them since 1892, so the remote controlled boat (in 1898) was certainly not invented "before radio"; it took place 20 years after radio waves were discovered.


By Clauzii on 7/22/2008 5:44:22 AM , Rating: 2
Maybe this could serve as good reading:

http://www.tfcbooks.com/articles/tws09.htm


RE: First thing to pop in my head...
By TaasMennaan70 on 7/22/2008 12:18:22 AM , Rating: 2
Edison


By Clauzii on 7/22/2008 5:04:29 AM , Rating: 2
Ah, thanks :)


RE: First thing to pop in my head...
By Clauzii on 7/30/2008 11:21:09 PM , Rating: 2
Just if someone comes by this old article, here is a nice Youtube video about Tesla:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dxJK-K0nb8&fmt=18


By Clauzii on 7/30/2008 11:26:03 PM , Rating: 2
By eye smite on 7/21/2008 2:30:20 PM , Rating: 2
hehe, I've been struck by lightning, it's no fun.


By MrBlastman on 7/21/2008 4:17:53 PM , Rating: 2
Tesla Coils initiating a push from the south have a strategic advantage to Tesla Coils in the north...

At least, that is how it works in the original Red Alert. If you're being tesla pushed from a guy below you, you'll lose almost every time, or have a hard time staving it off with just teslas of your own. It was a fault in the game engine which only allowed the base block of a 2-block tower that a tesla coil was comprised of to register damage... Hence, the top tesla coil was able to reach the top block - BUT, only the bottom block would register a hit.

And that - is DT's useless bit of information of the day from a former Red Alert maniac.


By MaDDN3ss on 7/21/2008 5:44:56 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Her phone was found melted to her hand, according to police.


First thing that popped into my head was that this would be a good way to keep from losing my cell phone. :P


gadgets?
By Screwballl on 7/21/2008 2:50:29 PM , Rating: 2
Gadgets don't kill people..... lightning does.

This is a case of "more is not the cause"... as cars became more prevalent on the american landscape, more deer got hit so does that mean that deer are attracted to cars?

More people means more dumb people means more people struck by lightning.... electronics have nothing to do with it.
hmmm

100 people in the open, 99 using gadgets... 10 get struck
100 people in the open, 0 using gadgets... 10 get struck

yep electronic gadgets are to blame.




RE: gadgets?
By Clauzii on 7/21/2008 2:57:10 PM , Rating: 3
But, as Jason Mick points out, IF You get struck and You are carrying an electric gadget, the risk of dying is greater.


RE: gadgets?
By Seemonkeyscanfly on 7/21/2008 4:23:25 PM , Rating: 2
Yea, If you get directly hit by a bolt of lighting....electric gadget or not; chances of death is close to 100%. The bolt can hit the ground 20 feet away from you and you are still considered hit by lighting (you will feel the effects and damage of the lighting bolt). This happened to my Father and brother-in-law when they were playing golf. The bolt hit within 10 to 20 feet of them. My Father said it felt like some one broke a 2 x 4 over his head. My brother-in-law was lucky enough to be carrying his clubs on his back (lots of metal), his clubs went flying one direction and he the other. He still gets skittish in storms and this happened 21 years ago.


RE: gadgets?
By Screwballl on 7/21/2008 5:25:09 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
IF You get struck and You are carrying an electric gadget, the risk of dying is greater.


How? There is no difference from standing there without a gadget than standing there with a gadget... unless this is a 5000 Watt Ham radio... otherwise all these milliwatt devices would have no impact on the severity of damage received if a bolt of lightning struck you or near you...
It all goes right back to what I said, the damage to 10 people struck would be the exact same whether they have an electronic device on or near them, or not...
If what they say is true about the "attraction", then houses with more computers, TVs, electronics would be more likely to get struck by lightning. Considering a majority of households have many of these devices nowadays, it just means that the same number of houses would get struck in 1908 than would in 2008 if all the circumstances were the same minus electronic devices.


RE: gadgets?
By Clauzii on 7/21/2008 6:25:24 PM , Rating: 4
I could imagine a battery blowing up as one...


RE: gadgets?
By mindless1 on 7/21/2008 6:33:55 PM , Rating: 2
The electronic devices don't attract lightning but they do react to it in ways that can harm a person. For example, enough power through a battery and it explodes, unlike your belt, shirt, etc.

The damage is not necessarily the same the moment you change some variable.


RE: gadgets?
By Carter642 on 7/21/2008 5:42:09 PM , Rating: 2
Just like wearing sunscreen and drownings; carrying electronics and getting strick by lightning may positively correlate but it certainly doesn't imply causation.

The russian government just wants people to go back to the 'good old days' of the 50's by making them fear electronic devices! I mean seriously, they even control the weather! OMFG conspiracy! ;)


RE: gadgets?
By mindless1 on 7/21/2008 6:38:39 PM , Rating: 2
You actually think it's "dumb" people who get struck? How do you come to this conclusion exactly? Is it the false assumption that people that are intellectually challeged choose to go out in a storm and stand around in elevated areas?

Hardly. Some people need to be outside because they are traveling, or working, or even out fishing for that matter. Getting struck by lightning has nothing to do with intelligence unless you also mean someone is so excessively paranoid that hide in a building actually expecting they'd be struck if they don't.


Logic
By UppityMatt on 7/21/2008 1:53:10 PM , Rating: 2
By this mans logic tending potato fields increases your risk of getting hit also.
quote:
an elderly farmer tending potato plants.
Don't blame coincidence.




RE: Logic
By BadAcid on 7/21/2008 2:26:55 PM , Rating: 2
What I want to know is why were they sunbathing in a rain storm?


RE: Logic
By Clauzii on 7/21/2008 2:29:07 PM , Rating: 3
Well, You CAN get electricity out of potatoes ;) (Allthough You need copper and zinc to do that).


RE: Logic
By ZimZum on 7/21/2008 2:40:06 PM , Rating: 4
Its the russets that you have to watch out for. Those SOBs are nasty.


silly
By Netscorer on 7/21/2008 3:44:52 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Could your shiny new GPS unit or iPhone make you more likely to die from a lightning strike? According to Russia, yes


Since when one statement made by single individium (even though he's working for the goverment agency) is equaled to the whole country? Can we, please, refrain from the sensationism in the future?




RE: silly
By Spivonious on 7/21/2008 3:52:50 PM , Rating: 5
You don't read Jason's articles much, do you?


Yeah Right...
By V3ctorPT on 7/22/2008 8:47:59 AM , Rating: 2
Gadgets are evil... they electrocute people... and now they'll begin to tell that pidgeons have a crossfire in their a$$es so they can $hit in our heads... it's logical...




RE: Yeah Right...
By royalcrown on 7/23/2008 3:23:56 AM , Rating: 2
It's "crosshairs" not crossfire you dork :P


RE: Yeah Right...
By V3ctorPT on 7/23/2008 3:33:00 AM , Rating: 2
Sorry... too many ATi posts in forums... and i'm not american or british... so it's a little bit hard to me to remember all the words or write without any mistake...


Sunbathers?
By choadenstein on 7/21/2008 11:09:48 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Last Wednesday, a lightning bolt killed three sunbathers


This is just Evolution at its finest... Those who are sunbathing during lightning storms needed to have their genes removed from the pool.




RE: Sunbathers?
By SiliconAddict on 7/22/2008 3:04:10 AM , Rating: 1
It is a very real possibility that a storm came up in a matter of minutes and trailing edges of storms can have some pretty intense lightening. That and it IS possible that the storm could have been a few miles away and they were still hit.

Don't shit on someone without knowing the full details of the situation....we aren't on Engadget after all.


RE: Sunbathers?
By choadenstein on 7/22/2008 7:50:45 PM , Rating: 2
I'm sorry... I thought the /sarcasm flag was pretty obviously implied in my original post. For those who thought I was being serious.... Add /sarcasm to my original post, take a valium, and chill out.


Staying outside in thunderstorms:
By Polynikes on 7/21/2008 1:37:13 PM , Rating: 4
Smart.




I just had to comment....
By Souka on 7/21/2008 6:44:13 PM , Rating: 4
"Michael Bosse, an EMS deputy supervisor says he has never in his 27 years on the job seen 10 or more people hit by lightning at once."


...but also said that he often will see 9 hit at once. :)




Silly
By ajfink on 7/21/2008 2:16:16 PM , Rating: 3
As briefly mentioned, the consensus (and this consensus and path of research is several years old) is that wearing an MP3 player or talking on a cell phone just increases injury if someone is struck by lightning, rather than increasing their chances of being struck. One guy standing around gets struck by lightning and lives. Another guy gets struck by lightning talking on his cell phone and has a battery pack and superheated plastics, metals and glasses blasted into the side of his head. Earbuds or headphones would result similarly.




Really?
By Ammohunt on 7/21/2008 1:44:52 PM , Rating: 2
Are they sure it wasn't witches? or perhaps all these people walked under ladders or broke mirrors? Black cats?




Oh crap!
By SiliconAddict on 7/22/2008 2:55:52 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
However, scientists do acknowledge that carrying any metallic objects increased your risk of death should lightning happen to strike.


Gah! I need to get that metal plate out of my head ASAP!

Eh? Eh?

*crickets*

sorry its 2AM.




really?
By jlips6 on 7/22/2008 8:20:29 PM , Rating: 2
I blame lightning for lightning based deaths




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