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As the much anticipated HP 20" HDX is on the horizon I thought it would be a good time to update everyone on what's happening on the inside.

It’s been awhile since I blogged on DailyTech. My new role as CTO of HP Gaming has left me almost breathless, thus I have found it difficult to keep up with the blog as of late. I wanted to start this article off to update you on what’s happening lately and I also wanted to speak a bit on the much anticipated HP 20” HDX.

As you may know, at HP we have three master brands, because no brand has endless elasticity and we want to serve multiple markets. We have Compaq, HP, and Voodoo. Compaq has been refreshed and is as lively a brand as ever – check out the new CQ logo, it’s pretty cool. We are witnessing great success in many markets with the Compaq brand. A typical Compaq is an aggressively priced no-nonsense series with straight forward configurations and top quality parts.

HP is positioned slightly higher than Compaq, with more configurability, more personalization, and certainly a broader range of quality devices. You have all probably seen the “Computer is Personal Again” campaign, and you’ll certainly see more of this as time goes on. Voodoo is at the top of the pyramid offering high touch configurations, a high level of personalization, fanatical customer service, and incredible performance.

The Voodoo brand allows us to take real innovations out of HP Labs and elsewhere within HP and integrate them into our devices quicker than normal. This brand positioning will start to make more sense in the coming months. Eight months after the acquisition of Voodoo things are rolling along intensely. Internally we have created a ton of excitement around our yet to be released product lines, and as we continue we are tweaking the business to allow us to move quicker.

These things take time, let’s not forget the official close date of the acquisition was October 1st, and we promise to start launching products in 2007. The best way I can describe this process is when Lamborghini and Audi got together they made some significant changes at both companies. As they leverage each others’ strengths they are creating some of the most fantastic cars in the world.

You guys have probably read the stories on the internet about the upcoming much anticipated HP 20” HDX notebook. I have personally seen this monster mature from when it was a wooden model to after it was born. First let’s start by saying that this notebook is absolutely kick ass, and whether they like it or not it’s going to rip the competitions odd looking 20” a new hole. There is no doubt in my mind that they will be oversold.

The design is lean and very compelling – it was designed for the higher end mainstream space, the unique hinge allows for a more natural feeling when using such a large display. The mechanicals are complex, yet so well designed that it’s somewhat amazing that the team pulled it off! The HP notebook team has done some amazing things in the last few years. Lately they have stepped out of the norm and started to create some extremely compelling designs that meet high form and function together. The HP 20” HDX was originally conceived by the notebook design team before the gaming business units was even setup! So to be clear, the gaming business did not design this notebook, which is pretty wild considering this notebook is perfect for gaming (I should mention that the HP 20” HDX plays games better than 98% of the gaming notebooks on the planet (with MAX MAX MAX settings) and it seems to be priced to compete). Yes, the media speculated, but the bottom line is notebooks take much longer than 8 months to complete.

This should give you a good indication of where we’re going, since the gaming group is fortunate enough to be able to knowledge share with the notebook team.

Since the acquisition we have been provided with resources to allow us to design compelling devices that we feel our customers will fall in love with. As such we are working to create some pretty masterful machines which you will see released in the future. Our systems are somewhat complex – and they are anything but conventional.

We are placing some big bets in this space, and believe me you will know when we launch a product. There will be absolutely no mistaking our creations for anything else. Of course I cannot explain why yet, but dreams will become reality very soon. Yeah I know, “talk talk talk”, but we think it’s better that we remind you that we’re still here – and that’s not going to change.

Rahul Sood
CTO HP Global Gaming
www.rahulsood.com



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Missed opportunity
By masher2 (blog) on 6/12/2007 10:08:49 AM , Rating: 5
A monster screen and a large case...but you still mated it to a tiny keyboard. Look at all that wasted real estate around the keyboard itself. Had you expanded it to something a little larger and more ergonomic, I'd have bought one of these without a doubt.




RE: Missed opportunity
By TomZ on 6/12/2007 11:13:39 AM , Rating: 4
I agree - a monster "laptop" should at least have a proper keyboard.

I also suspect this thing will have a 10-minute battery life, based on Rahul's talk about "eliminating the thermal limits" or whatever. Sounds to me like the design team probably threw out the battery run-time constraint, and I'd guess it is designed for AC operation with the internal battery being more like a UPS for short power outages.


RE: Missed opportunity
By Moishe on 6/12/2007 11:15:25 AM , Rating: 3
I really like the screen.... large and the swiveling options are cool. I too have wondered why manufacturers put the same tiny keyboards on larger laptops. If there is space, I think people would prefer a larger keyboard. Heck it might even be a selling point. A large laptop with a large screen, a large kb and lots of power is essentially a nice thin desktop. All the benefits without the separate monitor. A full size keyboard would simply add to that.


RE: Missed opportunity
By voodoopc on 6/12/2007 11:22:07 AM , Rating: 2
That's a good point, something for the gaming group to consider perhaps. It should be noted that the space to the left of the keyboard is the remote control dock. This unit is designed as an entertainment center, so TV/DVD, etc...


RE: Missed opportunity
By TomZ on 6/12/2007 12:27:10 PM , Rating: 2
Rahul, in case you visionary-types haven't figured it out, but laptops and desktops will probably morph into a single form factor machine in the near future.


RE: Missed opportunity
By sortitus on 6/13/2007 5:20:34 AM , Rating: 2
Not until games, OS's, and everything else hit a plateau and we can't stand having a more powerful stationary PC. Then we'll all get really picky when holographic imaging has a breakthrough and they can't put it in our palm-sized supercomputers...

Really though. Faster hardware than can be cheaply put into a portable device will fall back on the desktop's power for the next decade at least. .


RE: Missed opportunity
By SmokeRngs on 6/12/2007 12:54:59 PM , Rating: 2
I don't know about buying one (I'm a cheap and broke bastard) but I agree with everything else. I hate laptop keyboards and their size as they cause me severe pain in my hands within thirty minutes of use. It's one of the major reasons I don't have a laptop. Portability is nice but doesn't mean much if I have to lug around a full size keyboard or deal with my hands hurting all the time. Well, that's a personal rant which has no real relevance to this post.


RE: Missed opportunity
By James Holden on 6/13/2007 1:55:59 AM , Rating: 2
Anyone know what panel its using?


RE: Missed opportunity
By DeepBlue1975 on 6/14/2007 8:52:39 AM , Rating: 2
GREAT point.
If notebooks will keep on travelling all the way off portability (15.5 pounds? a 20" screen size? who would seriously consider running about the world carrying such an oversized thing? I'm sure my mid tower full of crap does not outweight this by much...), they will have to show off they can offer the same usability as a desktop machine, just because this kind of "portable" is going for the niche market of those wanting to replace their desktops for this "bulky but not as much as any desktop" machines.
The first thing to consider is a keyboard which actually takes advantage of a size like that (hey, if my 20" wide format LCD does not "outwide" my ms natural 4000 keyboard, why a 20" wide format NB can't sport at least an useful keyboard?)
If all you offer is just a very big screen, I'd rather get a smaller notebook and when at home, hook it up to a big LCD (something in the lines of 24" or larger, even 20"), and yet I could be comfortable carrying it around (and then, the small keyboard problem could perfectly be looked over, as you get a portable size in turn).
For all that "desktop like" hardware inside, you can still put that and so much more in a desktop for much less money, as I guess, portability and battery life are not this machine's selling point.

From my point of view, this can't replace an almost half-cost desktop and can't serve as a normal notebook cos of size and, I bet, battery life.
I think this will be targeted to something like a niche inside a niche, and only those whose work really takes advantage of that big a screen and have to travel a lot will find machines like this useful.

lan party-ers? Maybe... But I doubt an x2600xt could be that well suited to hardcore gaming at the resolution of a 20 incher.


RE: Missed opportunity
By Googer on 6/15/2007 5:26:48 AM , Rating: 2
RE: Missed opportunity
By Googer on 6/15/2007 5:31:14 AM , Rating: 2
RE: Missed opportunity
By TheBaker on 6/15/2007 2:59:03 PM , Rating: 2
Bear in mind the scale. That's a 20" screen there, so that keyboard is likely standard size keys.


Publicity...
By oTAL on 6/12/2007 5:44:42 AM , Rating: 5
Ok... I'll start off by saying I really enjoy reading what you write and I think you often have some very good insights into the business. But this article had very little info and a hole lot of hype/markting.
It did get the 20" model into my mind and I'll recognize it and check it out when I see it online or on a store. It increased the laptop value by markting...But it decreased YOUR value. It made it less likely I will click on your next post if I have little time to waste... it was bad for YOUR image.

What did the article really offer?
Specs? It is a 20" laptop...
Brand? It's an HP...
Anthing else? It's REALLY REALLY cool and pretty.....

Please don't take this the wrong way... I usually enjoy your articles and I'm just providing some feedback. This article sucks, but I'm pretty sure the next one will be better.
At least I'm glad to see your happy on your "new" job.

Best regards,
Nuno




RE: Publicity...
By voodoopc on 6/12/2007 6:10:09 AM , Rating: 1
Hi Nuno, thanks for the constructive feedback! Tough crowd, Dailytech readers. ;)

I wish I could share more specs, this notebook is quite configurable, but until it's actually online I'm not sure if the complete specs will be shared. Sorry about that! - but here is a walk through that was done recently on it: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/lapcrusher/hps-20+inch-...

I just took Kristophers advice and came out of the "black hole" to give you guys an update on the gaming business, while cooling speculation on the source of the HDX (there is much speculation out there on it!)

As always I appreciate your comments.


RE: Publicity...
By voodoopc on 6/12/2007 6:18:09 AM , Rating: 2
"but until it's actually online I'm not sure if the complete specs will be shared. " should have read:

..but until it's actually online I'm not sure if the complete configurable specs will be revealed. In any case, check the link:

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/lapcrusher/hps-20+inch-...


RE: Publicity...
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 6/12/2007 7:07:36 AM , Rating: 2
Hi Rahul,

We actually have a bit of coverage here too:

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7209


RE: Publicity...
By Moishe on 6/12/2007 7:39:47 AM , Rating: 2
Hate to agree, but there is nothing about gaming or tech. This is an HP commercial in text form.


RE: Publicity...
By James Holden on 6/13/2007 1:55:13 AM , Rating: 2
What I don't get is why this notebook isn't using a G80 graphics. Two 7950s... OK, but a single 8800 would draw less power and give Dx10.


RE: Publicity...
By sdsdv10 on 6/12/2007 2:27:13 PM , Rating: 2
Sorry for the long post, but here are the specs from the
Notebooks.com review. http://www.notebooks.com/2007/05/08/the-dragon-hp-...

According to the article, the laptop will be a HP model with prices ranging from $3000 to $4000.


Processor
Intel® Centrino® Duo processor technology featuring Intel® Core™ 2 Duo processor T7700
2.40 GHz, 4 MB L2 Cache, 800MHz FSB
Memory
4096MB DDR2 System Memory (2 Dimm)

Video Graphics
ATI™ Mobility Radeon™ HD 2600 XT with 256MB GDDR3 (dedicated) & up to 2048MB Total
Total Available Graphics Memory

Hard Drive
400GB (4200RPM) Hard Drive Dual HDD - 200GB x 2(SATA)

Finish and Features
HP Imprint Finish, Integrated Webcam & Integrated Fingerprint Reader

Multimedia Drive
HD DVD ROM with SuperMulti DVD±R/RW Double Layer

Display
20.1” WSXGA+ High-Definition HP Ultra Brightview Widescreen Display (1680 x 1050)

Network Card

Integrated 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 connector)
OR
Intel PRO/Wireless 4965AGN Network Connection & Bluetooth ™ (j)

Digital Media
5-in-1 integrated Digital Media Reader for Secure Digital cards, MultiMedia cards, Memory
Memory Stick, Memory Stick Pro, or xD Picture cards

Audio
Altec Lansing (4 Panel Mounted and integrated HP Triple Bass Reflex Sub-Wolfer supporting
supporting up to 7.1 external speaker configurations)

Keyboard
101 key compatible keyboard with scroll bar and integrated numeric keypad - 3 quick launch
launch buttons
Pointing Device

PC Card Slots
1 ExpressCard/54 Slot (also supports ExpressCard/34)
External Notebook Ports

Ports
4 Universal Serial Bus (USB) 2.0
2 Headphone out
1 w/Side Digital Audio
1 microphone-in
1 HDMI
1 VGA (15-pin)
1 eSata
1 TV-Out (S-video)
1 RJ -45 (LAN)
1 Expansion Port 3
1 IEEE 1394 Firewire (4-pin)
1 Consumer IR (Remote Receiver)
Native External Speaker Configurations Ports
SPDIF, Rear, Center/Sub, Front
Integrated HP HDTV Hybrid TV Tuner: NTSC/ATSC (with F-Jack adaptor) input, S-Video Input,
Input, Blaster (IR emitter), Stereo Audio Input

Dimensions
18.7? (L) x 13.4? (W) x 2.3? (min H/max H)

Weight
15.5lbs
What’s in the box
Mobile Stereo Earbud Headphones (1 pair)
HP HDX Dockable Media Center Remote Control

Power
180W AC Adaptor
9-Cell Lithium-Ion battery
Support

Operating System
Genuine Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit
Security and Support
Symantec Norton Internet Security 2007 (including 60 days complimentary live update)
HP Total Care Help & Support Center
PC Recovery (Softthinks Restore Solution)
Wireless Home Network
Roxio Backup MyPC
Productivity and Finance
Microsoft Works
Microsoft Office 2007 Student and Teacher Edition: 60 Day Trial Version
Multimedia
AOL Music
Vongo
HP PhotoSmart Premier
HP Quick Play
Muvee AutoProducer
Roxio Creator Premier
Serif WebPlus 10
Adobe Acrobat Reader
Internet Solutions
Easy Internet Sign-up plans include:
AOL Dial-Up
Microsoft Internet Explorer


RE: Publicity...
By sdsdv10 on 6/12/2007 2:34:11 PM , Rating: 2
Here's a second preview article at Laptopmag.com

http://laptopmag.com/Review/HP-Pavilion-HDX-Entert...


RE: Publicity...
By darkpaw on 6/14/2007 8:46:52 AM , Rating: 2
Just like the Dell 20" wtf is the point of

Display
20.1” WSXGA+ High-Definition HP Ultra Brightview Widescreen Display (1680 x 1050)

Most 17" systems have a better display resolution then this. $4k for a laptop that can't even do full 1080 HD? This is one area where it could have been differentiated, but right now it mostly looks like it'll have a newer video card in a different form factor.


Just a guess..
By zsouthboy on 6/12/2007 2:43:49 PM , Rating: 3
You may want to simply disable the comments, the next time you post here.

Especially if you're going to tell a bunch of nerds nothing tech related, and instead use a "joe-consumer" marketing angle towards them.

We're not your target market.




RE: Just a guess..
By voodoopc on 6/12/2007 4:17:49 PM , Rating: 1
zsouthboy, if that's how you position yourself, that's great!

There are others who read Dailytech/Anandtech who are actually consumers, believe it or not, the demographic is quite wide. In fact I would venture to guess that there are more less technically inclined people that read the news just to make investment decisions, product choices, etc.

There's no need to generalize, and certainly no reason for me to disable comments. Thanks for your feedback.


RE: Just a guess..
By xeltor on 6/13/2007 12:13:53 AM , Rating: 2
next you will tell me that my grandma reads slashdot. Average consumers don't understand most of whats on Dailytech and so they ether become geeks to understand it or they find something else to read.

quote:
In fact I would venture to guess that there are more less technically inclined people that read the news just to make investment decisions, product choices, etc.


so your admitting to viral marketing then?


RE: Just a guess..
By James Holden on 6/13/2007 1:53:51 AM , Rating: 2
When the CEO of a company does posts a blog, its not viral -- it's just marketing.


RE: Just a guess..
By VooDooAddict on 6/13/2007 7:14:37 AM , Rating: 2
OH! I get it now. It's viral investment marketing. Not viral Tech/Gaming marketing.

I should have seen that sooner.


RE: Just a guess..
By Fritzr on 6/13/2007 4:57:07 AM , Rating: 2
I'm one of the people who read press releases to see what the computer can do. If it tells me that the brand is HP, the screen size is 20" & it actually has a hard drive...well that is listed in the pricewatch.com summary...I expect to see the catalog listing at a minimum in a product announcement not just an "our product is wonderful go buy one to find out what it does" infomercial ... sorry not right, an infomercial would tell us more than "it is wonderful!"

Remember this is a tech site, read by 'nerds' and other techie types. If you aren't allowed to say more than you put in your post then better to say nothing until you are allowed to post a genuine techie announcement. A link in response to being asked why you put nothing but sales fluff in your ad is not a good way to write a tech article

I already knew that HP designs new machines on a regular basis. the only other news in this announcement is that HP is adding another 20" portable to the lineup--someday


RE: Just a guess..
By Targon on 6/19/2007 8:15:18 AM , Rating: 2
There are times when it's a good idea for a company to indicate when a new machine is going to be released without going into specifics. The reason for this is that the final specs are not set in stone yet, which is why the product hasn't been released.

From all the reviews, and the responses, I expect the hard drives in the shipping version will be higher speed drives, or at least the option for faster drives will be made available. The 1080p version may very well be available at launch as well(something many have complained about). The option to select a GPU could also be a possibility(it may be AMD/ATI only though).

It is my guess that we will see this machine released in the next month or so(otherwise it wouldn't have warranted a post by a company exec).

One thing I don't like is the Intel networking since most things by Intel other than processors are far from being good. Intel networking is ok, but I don't consider it any better than any of the other companies out there.

Now, the one thing I want to see in ANY of the newer laptops is for a GPU that can be swapped by the end-user. Give us a GPU card that can be swapped for a faster one, and you finally give us a true desktop replacement machine. Laptop graphics will always be slower due to the need for power conservation and heat issues, so why not give us the ability to swap out the graphics module? This SHOULD be a standard in the laptop industry by now IMO.


What is a 'gaming notebook' then?
By Johnmcl7 on 6/12/2007 7:46:47 AM , Rating: 2
...since this machine apparently beats 98% of these machines - seems like a completely fabricated statistic to me but then again most statistics are.

No mention of the Clevo 20 inch chassis in the article but then again with its twin 7950GTX but then again given it walks all over this HP machine in terms of performance I can see why.

John




RE: What is a 'gaming notebook' then?
By voodoopc on 6/12/2007 8:05:18 AM , Rating: 1
John, statisically Clevo does a fraction of the volume that HP does. So considering that HP does millions of units a month, and Clevo does tens of thousands - there is a huge difference in quality here, unless the place you buy the Clevo from hand re-assembles it - in which case it depends on the place you buy it from. HP also has proprietary technology in the HDX, which is a good example of the type of stuff the gaming business can offer in the future. There's nothing like grounds-up innovation in notebooks.

As far as performance goes, well I did mention a high percentage - and you're right, it's fabricated, but pretty close to reality based on current market offerings. We benchmark our gaming notebooks daily, and as you may know Voodoo also sells Clevo notebooks. The big difference between the Clevo 20" and this one is the Clevo has a limited thermal budget, so the clocks on the cards are slightly lower. In our case we have to upgrade the thermals to deliver decent performance from the Clevo 20". We are able to do so, but there are certainly differences in efficiencies between newer techologies vs dated ones.

Just wait until the magazines start reviewing the HP HDX, you may change your mind then. For the money I think it's a great buy.

That said, to those who viewed this article as an advertisement, I apologize -- but as I said, Kristopher suggested I run an update, and I did :) I will continue to run updates, and I'll keep your suggestions in mind.


RE: What is a 'gaming notebook' then?
By Johnmcl7 on 6/12/2007 10:11:21 AM , Rating: 2
We're talking about the gaming market remember? The one you seemingly know better than the rest of us and in that market Clevo is most certainly not a fraction of the volume of HP, other way round entirely.

To be honest, I find this sort of post rather insulting on a tech site - you've told us how amazing this notebook is with no specification and admitting you're making up facts to try and justify it. I can't see anything special about it so far and especially not from the performance aspect which you've mistakenly chosen to brag about despite the fact you know there are superior solutions out there.

John


RE: What is a 'gaming notebook' then?
By voodoopc on 6/12/2007 10:28:33 AM , Rating: 2
You must have missed my link(s) to the specifications.. Check again.


By VooDooAddict on 6/12/2007 1:16:50 PM , Rating: 2
In the future, I'd recommend posting the specs in the article.


By ElFenix on 6/12/2007 9:22:32 PM , Rating: 2
i dunno, but this is hardly a notebook ("portable" is more appropos, and applies to pretty much any 17"+).

what i'd like to see is some actual gaming power in a 15" or 14" form factor. something with a proper dual battery option and decent carry-ability.

also, and i know this isn't your line of business at HP gaming, widescreen notebooks generally blow for work. most work is done vertically. that is, your word processor, pretty much all web pages, probably most coding programs, etc, scroll up and down more than side to side. so, the drop in vertical pixels with the move to widescreen (and overall loss of desktop area when comparing diagonals) is a move in the wrong direction. although widescreen does enable larger keyboards on smaller models, which is good, in my experience that hasn't panned out (a 14" 4:3 notebook had a good size keyboard, a 12" WS notebook has an awful one).


Unfortunate
By chaosrain on 6/12/2007 7:37:00 PM , Rating: 4
Allow me to introduce former blogger and hardware aficionado turned corporate shill...Rahul Sood.

At one point Sood provided his take as an insider on the direction of PC gaming and the moves by it's major players including system builders and hardware vendors. Now he has sold his Blog space to HP for $0.25/word, payable in stock options.

This so-called blog is quite off-putting. There is absolutely no mention of the "state-of-the-art" in PC building, gaming or hardware. Numerous posters have demonstrated that this laptop falls quite short of providing any ground-breaking hardware and even misses the mark in providing a reasonable form factor both in weight and ergonomics. Nothing cutting edge to see here anymore, Sood-fans...move along.




RE: Unfortunate
By voodoopc on 6/12/2007 9:40:18 PM , Rating: 1
-- Once I start using words like ubiquitous, connected, and pervasive you can call me a shill!

Look guys, Kristopher specifically suggested that I write about the inners of HP Gaming - and what we're working on. He also asked me to provide a bit more information on the HDX - so I did what I could.

If this blog is "off putting" I suggest you don't read it, or find something better to do.

It's no use wasting negative energy here! Go do something positive, like start your own company :)

I still write about industry stuff, like my latest article (which Chaosrain, you might appreciate - check it out here; http://www.rahulsood.com/2007/06/nvidia-to-intel-y... )

Anyways, I'll be back - and I'll take all your constructive suggestions into account.


RE: Unfortunate
By audiophi1e on 6/12/2007 11:30:40 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
They use SXGA+ rather than WUXGA so they can avoid putting in a top-notch graphics card.

This is a compromise laptop. It's got HD-DVD but not 1080p. It's got a graphics card, but not a very good one. It's got a big screen, but low resolution. It's got a lot of HDD space, but only 4200 RPM. It's trying to be a lot of different things, and it's doing none of them very well. 4GB of memory but only a dual-core processor (what will you get, 1 extra fps with the extra memory?)

If I was Rahul Sood, I wouldn't put Voodoo's name on this.


It couldn't be said better than this post by Dactyl, so I will simply requote what he already said. This is exactly how I feel. Yes 400GB is great, but cmon 4200RPM?! 20" screen and less than 1080p? My 2yr old Dell's 15.4" has 1900x1200.

I hope they revise it to include more advanced features. People will be more compelled to shell out big coin if it had the chops to back up that big price tag.

Well, it's great to have you back Mr. Sood, and congrats on your new job. I hope you enjoy it.


RE: Unfortunate
By xeltor on 6/13/2007 12:06:24 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Look guys, Kristopher specifically suggested that I write about the inners of HP Gaming - and what we're working on. He also asked me to provide a bit more information on the HDX - so I did what I could.


well you failed miserably at that then. First i see no "inners of HP gaming" info. Second you have told us absolutely nothing new about the HDX. We can already see the stupid hinge why not post some specs in the article? Yes we saw the hinge yea yea the hinge I get it stfu about the hinge.

I don't mean to offend you personally if it comes across as that. However in the past your postings have been of a far higher caliber.


RE: Unfortunate
By voodoopc on 6/13/2007 10:10:15 AM , Rating: 2
However in the past your postings have been of a far higher caliber

Thank you...


wheels
By Anh Huynh on 6/12/2007 2:21:58 AM , Rating: 3
Will HP offer a laptop bag for it with wheels? Because 15.5lbs...man...thats a back breaker.




RE: wheels
By therealnickdanger on 6/12/2007 8:31:07 AM , Rating: 2
My spine!

My friends all thought my 17" Dell was too big, I can only imagine what will happen if I get one of these. That's a big "if" though. You can certainly count me out if the screen is not LED backlit. Screen res? Does the graphics solution use a "standard" MXM socket? What's the max memory the laptop supports? WiFi N? Bluetooth? HD-DVD? Blu-Ray?

Seriously, I like reading your articles, but this one looks like it fell from the top of the HP marketing tree and hit every branch on the way down. :P


RE: wheels
By masher2 (blog) on 6/12/2007 1:15:19 PM , Rating: 2
> "Because 15.5lbs...man...thats a back breaker"

My 20" Dell monitor is 22 lbs all by itself. 15 lbs for a 20" laptop is no problem for me at all. They just need to expand the keyboard.


RE: wheels
By TomZ on 6/13/2007 3:17:38 PM , Rating: 3
Your 20" Dell monitor is not designed for portability. :o)

But I think this "laptop" is not, either. Considering the size, weight, and power consumption, it is basically a desktop computer in a laptop form factor.


Very over hyped average specced machine
By xrchris on 6/12/2007 11:25:53 AM , Rating: 2
I had to set up an account just to comment on this article.

Unfortunately as others have noted, it is nothing more than a very poorly disguised advertising article. OK that in itself isn't too much of a crime as many companies/writers have been guilty of this in the past.

Worse than that is that the product is so blatantly over-hyped. This machine is nothing more than a very average middle of the road, albeit large, 20" laptop.

It is certainly no gaming monster!





RE: Very over hyped average specced machine
By masher2 (blog) on 6/12/2007 7:36:11 PM , Rating: 4
> "I had to set up an account just to comment on this article..."

Then our evil plan is working.


RE: Very over hyped average specced machine
By Moishe on 6/13/2007 1:22:13 PM , Rating: 1
I *KNEW* it was evil.... figures. Give evil guys an evil website and they come up with an evil plan.... *queue the mwuahuahahAHAuhaAHaA!!*


By Moishe on 6/28/2007 10:03:36 AM , Rating: 2
wow you people cannot take a joke or notice obvious sarcasm!


This is not a blog.
By ahkey on 6/12/2007 4:16:46 AM , Rating: 4
This "blog" should begin at "You guys have probably read the stories.."

Rahul, you need to learn the difference between a blog and a press release. Blogs can be just as opinionated (if not more so) but should not descend into company history, promises that "brand positioning will start to make more sense" or comments about how "cool" the new CQ logo is.

This is a site for hardware enthusiasts - we don't care how "MAX MAX MAX" we will be able to play our games. Show us some actual specs (hardware, clocks, screen response time) and we'll make our own informed decision when benchmarked reviews have come out.




RE: This is not a blog.
By Bremen7000 on 6/12/2007 9:39:32 PM , Rating: 2
I have to disagree with this and most of the other comments. I think people are confusing "blog" with "insider information page."

I view this blog entry as just a regular every-day blog from someone who happens to be working at a cool new job. Contrary to the above poster, I think everything above "You guys have probably read the stories.." is the blog part, with the rest of it being less true to the medium.

I think everyone's just spoiled and looking for insider info. It's just a blog, give it a break. Granted, I don't think DailyTech needs blogs at all and I generally don't like the lower quality of information a blog naturally contains, but that doesn't make this blog require some higher standard than the rest of what gets posted on DT's blogs.


RE: This is not a blog.
By dude on 6/12/2007 10:39:57 PM , Rating: 2
Seriously, this did read more of an ad than a blog. It did not get into any of the juicy details, which I was hoping for.

Note: I do not plan to buy this notebook, however, I am interested in a easy to transport laptop. I love the IBM T and X series, which, because I'm in the corporate refurbishing resale and recycling market, I am impressed with IBM's offerings, even their used/old ones.

I do agree though, HP has been getting better with their designs recently, however, I will still go with IBM. Dell are not my bag, since their designs are also good, but their construction is a total wash, especially since I have to service them in our recycling business.

This is not aimed at HP, but on larger notebooks, I _still_ do not understand _why_ nobody makes larger keyboards for larger notebooks?! Why leave a void of space there when a better keyboard can be used in it's place? Plus, the bottom plate of the keyboard can always act as a heatsink, which only works better if it was a larger keyboard with a larger heatplate!


By GeorgeOrwell on 6/12/2007 4:25:15 PM , Rating: 2
All this work you claim that was done for this giant laptop and yet the simplest things are "designed by morons":

1. The keyboard should not be off-center. This is a giant ergonomic mistake. Instead, put the keyboard center, make it super super good quality, and include some cool programmable capabilities as well.

2. The screen should be capable of playing 1080p video without losing data (i.e. upgrade the 1680x1050 screen). Make sure the screen is very good quality as well.

3. In this day and age of 200GB 7200rpm drives, why even bother with two 200GB 4200rpm drives?

4. In such a giant notebook case, why not use four DIMM slots and allow up to 8GB RAM? If someone buys this notebook, they will likely want to do cool stuff in 64-bit land without buying another notebook...

5. This huge of a system should be very very upgradeable. I do hope that it is not just a giant throwaway machine (for instance when the new Core processors come out later this year). The video card should be upgradeable as well. After all, there is at least one standard for this.

All in all, I am not impressed with how little thought goes into most computer designs. This particular notebook shows only that HP/CQ/Voodoo is not very bright, not very hard working, and not at all savvy.

Better get back to doing more of that "intense" work, CTO.




By voodoopc on 6/12/2007 4:50:37 PM , Rating: 2
George, I don't even know how to respond to your title, or salutation - but that said, thanks for the suggestions, pretty much what I was hoping for.

I would like to personally invite you to check out one of our new upcoming system designs - serious offer, if you're in the bay area - I would love your constructive feedback if you're interested. Email me at rahul at voodoopc.com.

Thanks.


By xeltor on 6/12/2007 11:58:30 PM , Rating: 2
While i will admit that the op was a little rude I have to agree with his overall statement. This is a poorly designed laptop aside from the hinge there is nothing innovative here and a lot of poor decisions that really don't make sense.

P.S. But me a plane ticket pay for my hotel and food and I would be glad to provide my insight heck i won't even charge you for my time.


By caboosemoose on 6/14/2007 7:11:46 PM , Rating: 2
I think you'll find the keyboard is centered if you ignore the number pad.

Other than that I generally tend to agree. The problem with the screen res thing is that most average joes can;t cope with the small fonts and screen furniture you get with high DPI panels. They are of course completely mistaken and dont understand why high res is important for productivity.

But until a genuinely scalable interface is included in Windows (Vista has the capability in theory, but in practice it's still almost all bitmaps) companies like HP will always need to take care when configuring high DPI panels. That said, a 1,920 x 1,200 panel should certainly be an option form the get go.


20"?
By James Holden on 6/12/2007 12:39:24 AM , Rating: 2
That thing has to be totally massive.

Rahul, is the HDX a "Voodoo" notebook or an HP one? I.e. $6k price tag or $3k?




RE: 20"?
By voodoopc on 6/12/2007 1:58:28 AM , Rating: 2
Hi James, good question actually. I think you'll be pleased with the pricing, it's most certainly a HP branded product. As far as size, it's a 20" man, it's not small, but the display hinge allows for some pretty cool ergonomics.


RE: 20"?
By RMTimeKill on 6/15/2007 12:54:23 PM , Rating: 2
OK... some not_so_constructive_criticism and some better ideas

OMFG more about the damned Hinge! Do you sleep with it too?! I would give up the lame hinge in a heartbeat if you would put in a real GPU, real HDD and give us a genuinely new keyboard design. Wow us with something worthy of being wowed... A hinge?! My desktop monitor has had one for years, my car has had multiple for even longer and my grandfathers house was built in the 1920s and has hinges everywhere! Please... for the love of technology... "hinge" your article on something worth reading about...


By VooDooAddict on 6/12/2007 11:34:39 AM , Rating: 2
Who do you think this audience is? To us this reads like an Ad.

I'm going to be very blunt. DailyTech should really reconsider hosting this advertising blog.

You didn't even talk about how this is a better design direction for the massive mobiles then the other mobile 20". ... you just used a bunch of adjectives that are better left for selling candy on Saturday mornings. "MAX MAX MAX MAX" - give us a little more respect then that.




By voodoopc on 6/12/2007 4:24:09 PM , Rating: 2
VoodooAddict, first I'd like to compliment you on your name, it's nice.

Next, I need to be clear - I had nothing to do with the design of the notebook, so I don't know the backstory. ...however, the answer to your question about how this design is better than other 20" should be obvious based on the pictures. Check out the hinge, and how the screen opens up - it's pretty cool

Sorry if the article read like an Ad, it's how I write. Nice to see people are talking about it - Although I could have done without the lynching today ;)


By VooDooAddict on 6/13/2007 7:26:49 AM , Rating: 2
On the name.

The first voodoo graphics chipset changed my direction in life from an English major looking to become a starving novelist to a full time techie instead of just a neat little hobby.

Still build all my own at this point (only exception being Tablet PCs). ... Sorry not a voodooPC customer at this time. Though your laptops have sure tempted me post-bonus time.


Hmmm...
By Ratwar on 6/13/2007 3:08:09 AM , Rating: 3
Does a Llama come with it to lug it around for me, or do I have to pay extra for that?

Desktop replacement laptops aren't worth it.




RE: Hmmm...
By masher2 (blog) on 6/13/2007 10:32:53 AM , Rating: 3
Extra, but the laptop comes with a starter bag of Llama food. :p

Seriously, desktop replacements *are* worth it for many people. It all depends on what you use your machine for, and how often and far you need to move it.


Max, Max, Max ? (read: Hype, Hype, Hype)
By Performance Fanboi on 6/14/2007 3:45:46 PM , Rating: 2
Am I the only one who is wondering what games that have been released in the last couple of years will run at acceptable frame rates on a 2600XT at "max, max, max"? How big would the battery need to be to run a 2600XT maxed out for long enough to play a game? This blog is not only an advertisement but it is a very misleading one at that. The only thing that this anchor will be ripping is the notebook bags and bank accounts of anyone foolish enough to believe the hype and purchase one.




RE: Max, Max, Max ? (read: Hype, Hype, Hype)
By voodoopc on 6/14/2007 5:53:54 PM , Rating: 2


I believe the notebook has an MXM socket.

I'll leave it at that for now.


By caboosemoose on 6/14/2007 7:03:50 PM , Rating: 2
Well, it had better have a graphics upgrade pretty fast. the 2600 is a pretty feeble solution on such an expensive machine. In fact, in terms of DX10 chips, there's nothing really powerful available. Even the new 8700m from NVIDIA is massively slower than an 8800 GTX. I believe the 8800m is still a ways out.

Sorry, but I can;t see what is so wonderful about this box. Big, expensive, low res screen and crappy graphics.

Some thing like a Dell XPS with Geforce 7950 GTX graphics and a 1920 screen is still way, way more desirable than this pointless land yacht.


Question about smaller gaming laptops
By pjladyfox on 6/14/2007 6:07:39 PM , Rating: 2
I read your articles quite frequently in CPU magazine and I've always found them rather informative. So I'm hoping you could answer a question I have in regards to gaming laptops.

Why is it that most of the gaming laptops are giant-sized rather than something that could truly be called a laptop?

I mean, you see the nice 15-inch LCD models usually sport a wimpy GPU but then you get the 17 to 19-inch giants which sport the more powerful GPU's which does not make much sense to me. For example, the ideal laptop would be something like the HP Pavilion dv2500t with a NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT which would allow me to run games at the native 1280x800 resolution with everything turned up.

I would buy a laptop like the one I mention above in a heartbeat but I just can not justify spending money on something that is more like a boat anchor than a laptop. If I wish to have a big display I'll use a desktop PC instead of a laptop.




RE: Question about smaller gaming laptops
By voodoopc on 6/14/2007 6:22:21 PM , Rating: 2
Well admittedly, this notebook was not designed for gaming, it's designed for entertainment. I don't disagree with you on the size though...


By pjladyfox on 6/14/2007 8:17:28 PM , Rating: 2
Oh, no argument there and I know, especially with you guys, that the "bigger is better" tends to be pretty standard. I guess I was just kind of jealous that the big boys were getting the attention while the smaller ones were getting leftovers. Still, if you, either via HP or Voodoo, were to put out a laptop in the 12 to 15-inch display range with a beefy video card I will do all I can to buy it if just with the hope that more vendors will do the same.

In the meantime looking forward to seeing the impact you guys will have on HP over the long-term especially with their notebooks. ^__^


Is DT that desperate for content?
By DukeN on 6/12/2007 10:17:24 AM , Rating: 2
C'mon guys you can do better than posting press releases as "blog entries".

And to Mr Sood, please give us some detailed specs before showering us with PR materials glorifying your product.

Maybe HP could've actually given it a 1080p. Just as an FYI Mr Sood, a lot of current 15.4" notebook screens have the same res. My 3-4 year old Toshiba 5100 had an even higher res. Ditto for an older Toshiba P10 that had 1080p for screen res.

Thankfully (I'm assuming) DT is not as neo-conlike as Mr Sood's personal blog has been noted to be (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahul_Sood).

I'm sorry, but the corporate spun blog entry approach would've probably worked better on a teen social networking site. Maybe you can prove me wrong and post it also on say, slashdot :)




By voodoopc on 6/12/2007 10:32:38 AM , Rating: 2
DukeN, you might have missed the link to the review online (with spec sheets) - check it again.

You might have almost missed the part that said the gaming business didn't really design the notebook, we're lucky enough to be able to knowledge share with HP consumer notebooks on our future product offerings (yet to be announced).

Thanks!


Never the refresh rate?
By Mitch101 on 6/13/2007 10:48:00 AM , Rating: 2
What I hate about laptops is they never tell you what the refresh rate is on the screens used. Its assumed this must be 5ms but its more than likely a 16ms refresh rate monitor. One would think machines marketed toward the gaming crowds would show this information.

I read an article recently on laptop lcd monitors and they were basically saying they are much slower than their desktop counterparts.




RE: Never the refresh rate?
By Mitch101 on 6/13/2007 10:54:36 AM , Rating: 2
Hey Voodoo?

Would it be that difficult to make the keyboard removable so it could be positioned wherever you wanted? Maybe make it Bluetooth? That would make it an excellent portable gaming rig without having to deal with the cumbersome keyboard position being fixed to the system.


To change things up:
By Kakumba on 6/16/2007 7:10:35 AM , Rating: 2
Firstly, its always great to see exec-level people posting on these kind of places, so thanks for that.

Now, I gotta say, for all of you complaining about a small keyboard, that one looks only just smaller than a full sized destop keyboard. Looking at my desktop, with a 20" monitor, my G15 (VERY wide keyboard), is about the same width, just a bit wider.

As for specs, well, yeah, its under powered, with slow HDDs (WHY!!!?), and the battery life will suck. It would also be perfect for mobile (kinda) entertainment, with better resolution on the monitor.

So, Rahul, please take our advice on this one, and this product might have a chance.




Keeping it on the tech side...
By DeepBlue1975 on 6/22/2007 10:57:34 AM , Rating: 2
This won't be anything near a record-breaker for good battery life.
So... Why a slow HDD, and a non-top of the line graphics card?
The low portability of that behemoth will surely make it an almost "plugged-to-the-wall-only" kind of monstertop... err... laptop.

So, if it is intended as a desktop replacement and certainly will be priced accordingly, it should boast the latest and greatest available stuff so that a guy who wants a really fast machine but doesn't want to afford the extra desktop space required by a normal PC, can give a look at this.

Maxed out features, great construction quality and a well thought out Do-It-Yourself (DIY) oriented design should be the top priorities for unportable portables like this one.
Then you can name it something like DIELAND (Do It Exactly Like on A Normal Desktop :D)

PS: another thing I don't like is vista 64bits. Not compatible enough yet for my taste, though I understand MicroSoft's artillery can be quite persuasive...)




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