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Net being purged of "unhealthy content".

China shut down 44,000 web sites and arrested nearly 900 people last year in a campaign to clean up "unhealthy" web content -- a crackdown the nation's Xinhau news agency says will continue until the end of this year's Beijng Olympics. In addition to those arrested, another 1,000 people received unspecified "penalties" for transgressing the nation’s stiff rules on Internet content.

The government says the drive was directed mostly against "pornography", but rights groups were quick to call it a thinly veiled excuse to crack down on political dissidents. President Hu Jintao called the Internet a threat to the nation's social stability.

Since 2005, China has required websites and even individual bloggers to register with the government. According to Xinhua, 200,000 sites were registered last year and 14,000 were refused approval. Independent sources say the real number of rejected applicants is much higher.

In 2006, Google stirred controversy when it announced it would censor its Chinese version to satisfy stiff rules from Beijing, a practice already followed by its competitors Yahoo and Microsoft. In 2007, China forbade the opening of new Internet cafes. The country employs a network of tens of thousands of human "Internet censors", as well as keyword-based firewalls to police online content.

Last month, China announced a ban on video-sharing websites, and said only state-controlled sites would be allowed to post video content online.



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That sucks.
By Rockjock51 on 1/23/2008 12:01:19 PM , Rating: 3
And people complain about how bad we have it here.




RE: That sucks.
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 1/23/2008 12:29:44 PM , Rating: 2
People who complain here in the states about censorship don't have a clue just how bad it really is right now in other parts of the world.


RE: That sucks.
By murphyslabrat on 1/23/2008 12:29:56 PM , Rating: 5
Yep, just because some have it worse, doesn't mean that we can't have better. As an example, just because some don't have food for months, doesn't mean that I should be satisfied with eating once a week.


RE: That sucks.
By amanojaku on 1/23/2008 12:52:09 PM , Rating: 4
I don't think anyone could have said it better. I would rate you up, but I already posted.


RE: That sucks.
By tdawg on 1/23/2008 1:23:33 PM , Rating: 3
Exactly.

Compared to some if not all Western European countries and Japan, our TV and radio censorship alone is behind, though this can be attributed to the prudishness of the American populous, the "morality" of the government and "morality" watchdog groups (We're coming, Orson!). :)


RE: That sucks.
By masher2 (blog) on 1/23/2008 1:41:05 PM , Rating: 2
Different nations censor different things. Just because you can catch sight of a nipple on TV doesn't mean censorship doesn't exist.

Certainly, censorship in a nation like Germany is worse than it is in the US. Try walking around in Hamburg yelling Sig Heil, or claiming that only 2 million Jews died in the Holocaust, for one. Or examine Canada's laws on "hate seech", for another prime example.


RE: That sucks.
By rivercat on 1/23/2008 2:18:22 PM , Rating: 3
I remember seeing a few crowds at events like the Christmas market in Nurnberg, or Oktoberfest in Munchen, that were shouting stuff like that. They also would yell stuff like "Death to the auslanders!". Of course the Polizei would show up shortly and take them away, sometimes after beating them with a nightstick!


RE: That sucks.
By Polynikes on 1/23/2008 2:59:45 PM , Rating: 3
And people think we don't need the 2nd amendment... I sure as hell won't let the police beat me for voicing an opinion, regardless of how politically incorrect it is.


RE: That sucks.
By tim851 on 1/23/08, Rating: -1
RE: That sucks.
By masher2 (blog) on 1/23/2008 4:46:55 PM , Rating: 4
> "It didn't help the Dixie Chicks, who nearly lost their careers for voicing their opinion "

The Dixie Chicks were not punished by any law or government action. Their rights weren't transgressed in any way, shape, or form.

Their fans simply chose to exercise their right to free choice, and stop buying their albums.


RE: That sucks.
By rivercat on 1/23/2008 5:09:12 PM , Rating: 2
Exactly. It was a free market punishment.


RE: That sucks.
By BladeVenom on 1/23/2008 4:58:26 PM , Rating: 2
I think the Dixie Chicks should have the right to keep and bear arms, the 2nd amendment. Do they agree with that?

I even think they should have the right to free speech, 1st amendment, as long as I don't have to listen to them.


RE: That sucks.
By beepandbop on 1/23/2008 6:08:14 PM , Rating: 3
"Yeah, all is great in America, as long as you're white enough...

The 2nd amendment only (in theory) protects your freedom of speech from government punishment. It didn't help the Dixie Chicks, who nearly lost their careers for voicing their opinion that Bush is a bad president."

Clearly you don't understand anything about America if you think that the 2nd Amendment deals with speech; it deals with the 'right to bear arms.'

Learn something, then talk, kthxbai.


RE: That sucks.
By Adonlude on 1/23/2008 7:32:52 PM , Rating: 3
Exactly. A well armed citizenry is definately less suceptible to having atrocities committed against them. Don't let govt take away your second ammendment rights!


RE: That sucks.
By jtesoro on 1/24/2008 9:27:03 AM , Rating: 2
Interesting that we raise hell every time China does something like censor the internet because it "violates human rights", then turn relatively mute when a more friendly country like Germany arrests people for speaking out like that...


RE: That sucks.
By borowki on 1/23/2008 3:58:29 PM , Rating: 3
Here in Poland you can get arrested and fined for calling the president an idiot. They call it "insulting the dignity of the head of state" or something like that. Journalists and commentators are routinely threatened by politicians with libel suits. It's ridiculous.


RE: That sucks.
By Missing Ghost on 1/23/2008 4:35:57 PM , Rating: 2
Isn't Poland the country that banned Gorgoroth? For "religious offense"?


RE: That sucks.
By CuiBono on 1/23/08, Rating: 0
RE: That sucks.
By lompocus on 1/24/2008 1:34:29 AM , Rating: 1
Ah yes, and I suppose that you must also imagine that 27 people are going to kill all but 1 billion people on Earth and take it over and use us all for their slaves, right?

You know,...some people are just beyond saving. Like cuibono. He is the prime example of this.


Middle finger
By amanojaku on 1/23/2008 12:00:34 PM , Rating: 4
Every country has some form of censorship, which is supposed to protect the people as a whole. How is China's censorship protecting anyone? The government deserves a giant middle finger.

So does Google, Yahoo, and Microsoft for supporting tyranny. There's nothing wrong with making a dollar, unless someone's rights are trampled in the process.




RE: Middle finger
By murphyslabrat on 1/23/2008 12:27:47 PM , Rating: 3
However, short of cooperating with the Chinese government, there would be no access to Google or Yahoo. So, with self-censorship comes access to good search engines.

While that doesn't necessarily mean anything, it is an enhanced access to information that can still influence the populous.

So, it is possible that by these corporations complying with China's unjust censorship, they are inadvertently assisting to negate it.


RE: Middle finger
By Master Kenobi (blog) on 1/23/2008 12:34:47 PM , Rating: 2
Who's to say the rights of the Chinese People are being violated? Clearly the government is making the rules and you must abide.


RE: Middle finger
By mindless1 on 1/23/2008 5:43:17 PM , Rating: 2
Who's to say would be a person who believes in certain inalienable rights all humans should have (per the era, with modern eras justifying expanded rights over what they might have been 1000 years ago), that is if you subscribe to such a notion and to what level you do. Some might say they dont' have that right but have the right to selectively reproduce. Some feel they shouldn't have unlimited reproductive choice. Some feel they have a right to life. Some feel life is cheap. IMO, always aim for the highest standard possible of allowing instead of disallowing, until the right is being abused to cause problems for others (which is yet again a grey area subject to interpretation).


RE: Middle finger
By masher2 (blog) on 1/23/2008 12:43:21 PM , Rating: 2
> "So, it is possible that by these corporations complying with China's unjust censorship, they are inadvertently assisting to negate it. "

I think that's very true. China can't possibly police the entire Internet, unless they devoted their entire billion-plus population to the task...and even then, the censors themselves are still reading the information.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes, anyone?


Photo?
By amanojaku on 1/23/2008 12:54:04 PM , Rating: 2
Who changed the photo? I think the picture of the police woman overlooking the web surfer's shoulder was VERY appropriate.




RE: Photo?
By masher2 (blog) on 1/23/2008 1:20:51 PM , Rating: 2
Wasn't me....must have been one of the editors.


By sonoran on 1/23/2008 3:23:58 PM , Rating: 3
quote:
President Hu Jintao called the Internet a threat to the nation's social stability.
Yeah, look at all those nations where they don't censor the internet. Oh my, they are so unstable. Sorry Hu - gotta call BS where I see it. But he's right, the internet is a threat to stability...of the Chinese communist party.




The answer to child porn
By wordsworm on 1/27/2008 10:16:36 AM , Rating: 3
As much as we'd love to have the ultimate freedom, clearly this results in some very undesirable websites. If every website had to go through the approval of each government its hosted in, thereby having to abide by decency laws, hate speech laws (as in Canada), and even potentially preventing pirating sites from damaging the world, as some would argue.

A lot of people on this website don't like China. Some people suggest they steal everything, all the while forgetting that modern man owes most of its existence to Chinese invention. With these prejudices comes an unwillingness to try to understand the approach that the Chinese government takes.

A part of the theory behind the Chinese government is that it is the people's government. Therefore, any websites that work to usurp the government also works to usurp the people. Why would the people want to tolerate others who are seeking to undermine the culture? I don't try to pretend that I know everything. I simply try to be open minded and not judge what I consider to be one of the truly great nations of the earth.

I believe that they are a sleeping giant. They're just getting warmed up. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised to see China humiliate the world in the Beijing Olympics like the Soviets did a few decades ago. They're tough, hard working, incredibly intelligent, and worthy of respect. Really, they're just getting started. There are some engineering projects that are already wowing the world with their creative solutions to complex problems. I can name the train to Lhasa, the world's largest dam, and the current effort underway in Beijing for the Olympics.

Personally, I wish that we could all drop what feels to me like a repression of rights. I feel the repression in Korea, where I live, I felt it in Canada, where I'm from, I've seen it in every country I've visited. I don't feel that Americans or Canadians are freer than others. I just think that the people don't feel the repressions when they agree with them. Let me put it this way: if everyone thinks that pot should be illegal, then it doesn't feel like repression even if you can't smoke it. In fact, it becomes easy to look at others who do and simply say, "Well, they broke the law, so its time to go to prison." Many point to American freedom of speech forgetting how many Americans are punished in private for their choices. (see that Playmate that got demoted in the military). Let's compare freedom of religion to freedom of expression: if you are, say, a Mormon, no school employer or agency in the US can fire you. But, if you so much as pose nude on the Internet, wittingly or not as was the case for a teacher, then your job is gone. So, pointing at deficiencies that we perceive China might have, perhaps we ought to first concern ourselves with the very real problems with our freedoms at home. We're no better than they are. If we point out their issues with Tibet, I can just as easily point out current Native American/Canadian issues and injustices. If we point out how they've copied many technologies that have been developed in the west, it's just as easy to point to inventions that are essential to our technologies, which have been copied from them.

I have to ask the question: how many child porn websites are being hosted or blogged in China now? What does their version of NAMBLA have to work with online to organize? How many websites, offensive to laws in Canada/USA, have been shut down because of China's recent crackdown? We don't know. No one really has the numbers. Yet, if some are to blindly conjecture in a pessimistic and even offensive nature against China, perhaps others can blindly conjecture that the Chinese government has the best interests of its people and following international and national laws that are in place.




By dflynchimp on 1/23/2008 4:54:14 PM , Rating: 2
China's come a long ways since the Cultural Revolution. Back then you pretty much couldn't even say anything intellegent for fear of persecution. Governing a nation of 1.3 Billion people isn't easy. Indeed the government is afraid that the people may riot en masses if incited to, which explains lot of their censorship. I'm rather ambiguous on this subject, but I think corruption is a far bigger issue than censorship in China as of status quo.

Sucks tho that they only have one major news outlet (Xinhua). it'd be like if all we had to watch was Fox...I think I would go mad.




How YOU Can Profit From China
By twnorows on 1/23/08, Rating: -1
By ButterFlyEffect78 on 1/23/2008 1:39:00 PM , Rating: 2
I wish I was smart as you.


RE: How YOU Can Profit From China
By parish on 1/23/2008 1:43:33 PM , Rating: 2
Wow... that is some sweet tasting SPAM if ever I saw some. Are these forums not moderated?


RE: How YOU Can Profit From China
By rug47 on 1/23/2008 1:58:39 PM , Rating: 4
quote:
(did I miss anything?)


But,...will it make my weiner bigger?


RE: How YOU Can Profit From China
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RE: How YOU Can Profit From China
By wordsworm on 1/23/2008 8:32:41 PM , Rating: 2
Isn't spam now illegal in the USA?


RE: How YOU Can Profit From China
By amanojaku on 1/23/2008 11:16:56 PM , Rating: 2
So is jaywalking. People do both, anyway.

Find a way to stop spam and you'll be richer than Bill Gates and more famous than Albert Einstein.


By robertgu2k on 1/23/2008 3:03:02 PM , Rating: 5
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Whenever a friend asks me to teach them how to trade in options, commodities, forex, etc., I first start them out by requiring them to read a book I have used as my guide to the fundamentals of trading (handling emotions, implementing proper portfolio risk mgmt, understanding market fundamentals, understanding basis chart skills, and basic trading strategies). {{{I will not name the book since that would be advertising which might be against this board’s rules…to give you a hint the author is Dr. Alexander Elder…his books are older but they are my personnel favorites because of the timeless fundamentals they teach...and I am no way what-so-ever affiliated with that author other than enjoying his books. }}} Then I start them off with investing in mutual funds, and then as they progress in knowledge they start trading stocks, then after a year or two of trading experience we move onto options trading and we repeat this slow approach for commodities, forex, and so on.

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RE: How YOU Can Profit From China
By CuiBono on 1/23/08, Rating: 0
RE: How YOU Can Profit From China
By wordsworm on 1/23/2008 8:37:35 PM , Rating: 1
Out of curiosity, were you trying to be ironic? Were you trying to show how many people who on the one hand think China should stop censuring will on the other want to censure this ad? If so... brilliant post. It's done its job.


RE: How YOU Can Profit From China
By Schrag4 on 1/24/2008 9:24:51 PM , Rating: 2
Clever, but you didn't really think your argument through. While we're all for free speech, this isn't exactly the right forum (no pun intended) for advertisements.

Sure, he has the right to post ads here, just like I have the right to go to the city park and try to sell junk to people who are there to relax and let their kids play. The post was not welcome here just as I wouldn't be welcome in the park. He had the right to post the ad, in fact he did and it's still here. But we can still call him an a-hole...


RE: How YOU Can Profit From China
By wordsworm on 1/25/2008 8:26:39 AM , Rating: 2
You know, if I saw this 'ad' elsewhere, I could easily agree with you. But I regularly check DT pages, and I've never seen something like this before. Anyways, he/she never replied, so perhaps it was an unintended irony, and genuine spam.


Umm hellloooo?
By parish on 1/23/08, Rating: -1
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