politicians across the U.S. have already made their mind up about
climate change and refuse to consider recent allegations of academic
misconduct among prominent climate researchers, or other plausible
explanations for climate change, such as sun
cycles. Across the country, there are many folks that
haven't blindly accepted the theory, though.Utah's heavily
Republican state legislature has passed
a new resolution which condemns climate change alarmism.
The resolution lacks any legal authority, but vocally criticizes the
anthropogenic global warming community for ignoring recent
developments.The legislation, which resoundingly passed by a
vote of 56-17, originally referred to global warming theory as a
"conspiracy", but that term was stricken from the measure
in favor of "climate data". A small
excerpt from the measure is:
there has been a concerted effort by climate change alarmists to
marginalize those in the scientific community who are skeptical of
global warming by manipulating or pressuring peer-reviewed
publications to keep contrary or competing scientific viewpoints and
findings on global warming from being reviewed and
published; WHEREAS, the Intergovernmental Panel on
Climate Change (IPCC), a blend of government officials and
scientists, does no independent climate research but relies on global
climate researchers;WHEREAS, Earth's climate is constantly
changing with recent warming potentially an indication of a return to
more normal temperatures following a prolonged cooling period from
1250 to 1860 called the "Little Ice Age";
bill points out that pending warming legislation will earn its
proponents "more than $7 billion annually in federal government
grants". Originally those grants were referred to as the
"the climate change 'gravy train'", but that language was
removed from the measure.The bill is critical of the U.S.
Environmental Agency and President Barack Obama's calls to regulate
greenhouse gases nationally. Representative Mike Noel says
the warming scare is an example of profiteers posing as
environmentalists and exploiting the public for their own gain.
He states, "Sometimes ... we need to have the courage to do
nothing."Arizona is considering similar
legislation.The only potential downside of the measures,
is that they could give local environmentalists means to challenge
future nuclear plant construction in the states. President
Obama has championed
nuclear plant construction, but says that he's doing it to
"combat climate change."
quote: If it helps to stop cap-and-trade legislation being passed, it'll save us a trillion times what those legislators were paid in salaries.
quote: Which will most likely only occur if 2012 fixes things.
quote: Jethro Bodine: I done graduated the 6th grade and it only took me three years to do it!
quote: ...that senior year become optional for students who complete their required credits early. He estimated the move could save up to $60 million, the Salt Lake Tribune reported.
quote: They are saying that the movement is spurred by sensationalism rather than clear scientific data.
quote: Why is he getting rated down? He has a valid point.
quote: So, according to you, capitalism can't be relied upon when it comes to science; greed invariably leads to corruption. You want to nationalize science and technology.
quote: Governments have agendas just like corporations (in most EU nations now, for instance, you can't even request climate funding unless you implicitly accept AGW in your premise).
quote: If all research is funded by a monolithic entity such as government, there is no independence. If its funded by thousands of private organizations, the bias from one study can be revealed by one funded by another.
quote: capitalism can't be relied upon when it comes to science; greed invariably leads to corruption.
quote: What business does a state legislature really have in poking its nose into this - let the science speak for itself, dammit.
quote: So now all these legislators are climate scientists as well?
quote: I'm not saying I believe one way or another. What I do know is that I don't know.
quote: Then, (GASP!) why don't you attempt to learn about the thing you don't know about? An alien concept I know. Its called 'personal growth', look into it. :)
quote: I think he means that it's weird to fight politicized junk-science with politics. I think we'd all be much happier if this entire issue had stayed in the realm of science long enough to be reasonably settled before politicians got ahold of it.
quote: Anecdotal evidence is so useful.
quote: So now all these legislators are climate scientists as well?I'm not saying I believe one way or another. What I do know is that I don't know. This means I know one more thing than these politicians.
quote: This joint resolution of the Legislature urges the United States Environmental Protection Agency to cease its carbon dioxide reduction policies, programs, and regulations until climate data and global warming science are substantiated .
quote: This implies that they have not been substantiated. A politician is not in a position to make this determination. Scientists are.
quote: You just committed an ad hominem and an appeal to authority fallacy in one passage.
quote: Yeah, you really are an idiot. You just committed an ad hominem and an appeal to authority fallacy in one passage.
quote: . . . we shouldn't be trying to build policy around unsettled science.
quote: things like paper, things that cost MORE to recycle than it would to just produce more
quote: But what about recycling other things like paper, things that cost MORE to recycle than it would to just produce more. Does that help? In most cases, no. The 'cost' of a product is a measure of the energy and resources used to produce it. In the case of recycled paper, you expend so much more chemicals and energy on recycling, as compared to raw wood pulp, that you're better off skipping the whole process entirely. And that doesn't even factor in the lower quality of the end product, which can also cost time and energy.
quote: State Legislatures would do better to offer a compromise that benefits their own.
quote: IPCC Snow Melt Claim Based On Student Paper...
quote: You honestly think that Utah spent years researching this and everybody else are the ones not doing any work?