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This chart demonstrates just how slow some of Apple's users are.  (Source: Loyalytics)

The study looked at upgrade rates for the iPhone 3GS (left) and the Android-powered Motorola Droid (right).  (Source: DailyMobile)
Android is handily beating iOS in terms of upgrade rates, making life easier for its developers

Market researchers at Localytics looked at the Apple iPhone 3GS and Motorola Droid and upgrade rates to the latest respective OS versions -- iOS 4.0 and Android 2.2 "Froyo"  -- over their first two weeks of availability.  What they found was that nearly twice as many Android users upgraded to the latest OS as iPhone users.

The study showed the dramatic benefits of Android's over-the-air OS updates -- something Apple has either been unable or unwilling to implement.  IOS 4.0 saw a steady crawl upwards in adoption rates, that allowed it to temporarily get ahead of Android 2.2.  

But when the Android OTA packages landed, in a single day the Android 2.2 adoption jumped incredibly from around 42 percent to around 92 percent.  By the end of two weeks, Android's upgrade totals had reached 96 percent, while Apple had a mere 56 percent.

One thing Loyalytics says the study shows is that iPhone users are using iTunes less.  If they had plugged into iTunes they would have been prompted to update, but many users still appeared not to have connected after almost two weeks.  This may be a result of Apple enabling over-the-air content downloads from its iTunes store, which is directly accessible from the iPhone.

However, the study brings mixed news to developers on both fronts.  For Android developers the rapid updates are good in a way, because they can be assured a homogeneous platform.  It can also be bad, because if an update breaks your app, you may only have have a couple of days to fix the problem before the majority of users can't use it.

For iPhone developers the opposite is true.  The platform is more heterogeneous in terms of OS versions, which can be confusing as to which versions to target and when.  On the other hand, iPhone devs have more time to fix bugs created by OS updates.

The researchers conclude:

The extent to which the iPad is or isn’t cannibalizing PC sales is being debated. But it seems reasonable to assume that even fewer iPads will be plugged into computers than iPhones, suggesting that iPad upgrades to iOS 4.2 later this year will lag iPhone upgrades. At some point, Apple will probably need/want to provide OTA upgrades to both the iPad and iPhone, at least over WiFi.

Of course as anyone who knows Apple could tell you, the company is sure to take adopting this new feature at its own pace, however fast or slow that may be.



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Couldn't possibly be because...
By Motoman on 9/15/2010 12:18:14 PM , Rating: 5
...people who buy Apple products are simply doing so because they think it makes them cool - and otherwise are totally technically unsophisticated and have no idea what to do with their fruit-themed toys anyway.




RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Scabies on 9/15/2010 1:17:12 PM , Rating: 2
Technical sophistication? Is that part of Web 2.0?


By marvdmartian on 9/16/2010 9:57:10 AM , Rating: 1
If Darth Steve wants you to be technically sophisticated, he will offer it as a Magical FEATURE, dammit!!


By crucibelle on 9/15/2010 1:25:26 PM , Rating: 3
Exactly.


RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Tony Swash on 9/15/10, Rating: -1
RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Motoman on 9/15/2010 1:50:15 PM , Rating: 3
...as compared to the mindless minions who buy whatever the TV tells them to?

You fail at statistics.

...also, I have known many CEOs, journalists, doctors, musicians, photographers, so on and so forth - and a great many of them are as technically unsophisticated as one can get. That's a really poor list to try to prove your point.


RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Tony Swash on 9/15/10, Rating: -1
RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Motoman on 9/15/2010 2:16:52 PM , Rating: 3
You're the one making a misguided appeal to competance - the fact that someone is a doctor, executive, movie producer, whatever, has not the slightest bearing on whether or not they have the smallest amount of technical proficiency.

You want statistics, go and count them yourself. You're the only one foolish enough to believe that there might be some possible universe in which a significant percentage of Apple consumers are technically sophisticated. The rest of us don't view the world through Apple-colored lenses.


RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Tony Swash on 9/15/10, Rating: -1
RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Motoman on 9/15/2010 2:46:29 PM , Rating: 2
We get it. We get it just fine.

If you want to keep believing that Apple is successful based on the magical merits of it's hardware, there's nothing I or anyone else can do to change your mind.

Apple doesn't sell technology. It sells self-image. A sense of belonging...a sense of hipness. A way of expressing your individuality by doing what the TV tells you to do.

Those who aren't swayed by the propaganda are aware that the emperor has no clothes. For you and all the other Apple consumers out there...well, the emperor is a pretty snazzy dresser, now isn't he?


RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Tony Swash on 9/15/10, Rating: -1
RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Pirks on 9/15/2010 3:16:43 PM , Rating: 2
Emulate the unique Jobs's skill of predicting the future needs of a mass Western consumer? This is impossible by definition. I'm afraid Apple will be gone when Jobs goes.


RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Pirks on 9/15/10, Rating: 0
RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Alexstarfire on 9/15/2010 10:28:59 PM , Rating: 2
Actually, everyone I know who has bought Apple products, save for my father, has said "because it's cool" or "I like how it looks." I should say this is mostly for the iPhone and iPod Touch. Most of my friends don't have the money to get an iMac or MacBook. The ironic part being that after they use it for a week, or sometimes even less, is that they wished it could do something another product does along with all the stuff they already do.

Talking about Apple computers isn't even worth it since they have and always will have a small market share in that sector.

If people give me valid reasons for why they purchased a product, any product, then I don't even say anything unless on the very rare chance there happens to be a better product that fits those needs. They know what they want better than I do. When they give a piss poor excuse I'll tell them about a better product. That said, I usually don't even ask since it's not my decision to make.


RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By chick0n on 9/15/2010 10:46:53 PM , Rating: 2
its Pirks ... why bother replying ... he is one of the biggest prick on DT ... oh I mean troll ...


RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Pirks on 9/16/10, Rating: -1
By Alexstarfire on 9/16/2010 3:03:13 PM , Rating: 2
Because he attempted a rational argument.


RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Pirks on 9/16/10, Rating: 0
RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Alexstarfire on 9/16/2010 3:29:10 PM , Rating: 2
Can't exactly disagree with your first point since I know none of my friends are very technical minded.

While I could sit here and argue points on the computers, I'm not. It's been done time and time again between you and I, and tons of other people. I wasn't talking about computers and I explicitly said that so that you wouldn't starting arguing over them.

My point wasn't about the media, though I'd love for them to at least provide the same amount of coverage as other companies, either more coverage for others or less for Apple, but about talking with people like you about them.

If you'd like to talk about what I was talking about then I'd be more than happy to have a discussion. Until then, stop trolling.


RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Pirks on 9/16/2010 4:15:23 PM , Rating: 1
So what were you talking about then?


RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By triadone on 9/16/2010 5:46:24 AM , Rating: 3
Very funny to see this meme persist after the PPC to Intel/x86 switch. Not to take the bait but early assessments of the Intel based Macs placed them on par with comparably equipped Windows counterparts. In fact, the Mac Pro from a hardware standpoint was actually markedly cheaper than offerings from Dell et al.'s high end workstation offerings. That trend continues with editor's choice awards for products like the iMac and Mac Pro (via Computer World, I believe).

Your argument is pretty common for those who don't really have a good idea as to the actual hardware and engineering that goes into these products. And by "these products" I don't simply mean Apple. I'm referring more to whether you can understand the difference in quality between a Dell Studio and an Adamo, for example, and not just run off on some rampage about how "It's the same thing, just cheaper!" No, they're not the same, and if you don't get that little nugget of truth, then you're arguing from a "just enough" mindset. e.g., One who knows just enough to think their informed but hasn't reached a threshold by which they have perspective to understand the difference between themselves and someone who does know better.


By Alexstarfire on 9/16/2010 3:38:40 PM , Rating: 2
I would hope they'd be on par if they have the same parts. Would be sad otherwise.


RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Motoman on 9/15/2010 2:29:51 PM , Rating: 2
And by the way, I'd love to see how you'd collect such a statistic...

<online poll at MacWorld.com>

1. Are you the proud owner of an Apple device? Y/N
2. Are you technically sophisticated? Y/N
3. How do you know you are technically sophisticated?
a. I hold an advanced degree in computer/mobile electronics
b. I'm a doctor/laywer/photographer/journalist/other professional
c. I frequently succeed at opening an email
d. I own an Apple product

...with all options A-D being valid reasons to declare yourself to be technically sophisticated.


RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By StevoLincolnite on 9/15/2010 8:49:39 PM , Rating: 2
I was reading this post... Then it dawned on me.

I have actually -never- owned an Apple device in my life!
I have used a few Mac's, but I have never used an iPod or an iPhone at all. (Being in a country area of Australia probably does that.)

Plus I think the Mac's cases look ugly as well, I would prefer a good Antec case with the side window, Neons and all the flashy stuff, but that is of-course personal preference.

Never owned an iPod because I liked my Creative Zen and never saw the need to replace it, plus I didn't need software installed to transfer music to the device.

Never owned an iPhone as I have an Android phone.

Never even had Apple's Quicktime or iTunes installed on my Windows PC as I have never needed to use it, VLC plays everything, Music is handled with Winamp and a bunch of plugins.

I honestly do not see the attraction or point in spending the extra price premium for there products when there are alternatives that work just as well if not better. - Or am I missing something?


RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Pirks on 9/16/10, Rating: 0
RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By chripuck on 9/16/2010 12:04:31 PM , Rating: 2
I've owned a Chevy, Toyota, Acura and a Lexus. The Chevy drove just as well as the Acura and Lexus for EVERYDAY use. If I wanted high performance, sure, I'd be far happier with my Acura or Lexus. The interior quality is far superior in the Acura and Lexus, but at double the cost premium it should be. I see the same being true with Mac's, which is why their market share will never grow exponentially.

I have no doubts you'll come back with some jackass reply about Mac's being the be all end all product, but bottom line is most people only NEED a Chevy.

Also, everybody has the "coolness" factored into their Apple purchase. They may have many other reasons to buy it, but there's no denying that Apple products are the hip thing to own.


RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Pirks on 9/16/2010 12:51:27 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
I have no doubts you'll come back with some jackass reply about Mac's being the be all end all product, but bottom line is most people only NEED a Chevy.
Nah, I don't think Macs are real mass product, I agree with you - they are niche machines because of their high price.


RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By StevoLincolnite on 9/16/2010 10:41:53 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
yeah, try to think about why people buy expensive Lexus cars when they could drive exactly the same way with cheaper Chevy


The difference there is I like the look of a Lexus, I think the Macs look ugly, so for me they are non-camparable.
And for the record I am content with my Holden Commodore VE, great car.


RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Pirks on 9/17/2010 10:37:14 AM , Rating: 2
noticed I said "people" not "you"?
read more carefully next time
also people choose cars and computers not just by the looks no matter what you say


RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By macthemechanic on 9/16/2010 11:13:43 AM , Rating: 2
Moto, get over it. This research is crap and we can all see that it doesn't have any sort of real world information built into the review. Not everyone is a follower or wowed by coolness. I know those who just run from cool thing to the next cool thing. I call them the "generic people". The world needs them. I have all Macs at home now after 35 years of building computers, writing assembly, debug, 4th generation and all sorts of coding (32 languages). I dumped my Windows and Linux network at home simply because I did not want to spend all of my free time maintaining it. It was not a "coolness" choice, but one of choosing to have the computer do what I wanted, not being forced to constantly interact with a device eternally wanting me to approve patches, or respond to the neediness of the operating system and its design philosophy of requiring confirmation for everything. Macs do the job and I am happy to let them own that. When I want to delve deeper into machine code, I can easily do it with a Mac, or if necessary run a virtual Windows or Linux OS to facilitate my study needs. In this, I have found many other people with similar stories wanting freedom of serving their PCs (patch management, virus management, spam management, constant patch Tuesday events, etc...) Macs have these issues to, but to a much lesser degree of input required by the end user. The iXXX devices are just an extension of the philosophy. If I wanted to manage every single aspect over all of my computing devices, then I would have probably bought another product like an Android. For me, it's about having other interests and not needing to control it all.


RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By chripuck on 9/16/2010 11:57:26 AM , Rating: 2
What could you possibly have to do to maintain your network? You build the PC, load the software, set automatic updates per your need and you're done. I could see it maybe 10 years ago, but Windows 7 is a great piece of software and requires very little maintenance to keep running.

I'm genuinely confused what all of this extra work involves?


RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Pirks on 9/16/10, Rating: -1
RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By macthemechanic on 9/16/2010 10:42:21 PM , Rating: 2
Ah, to be that young and again... ;-)


RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Pirks on 9/17/2010 10:51:46 AM , Rating: 1
yeah, like this problem doesn't exist for the OLD users

your lies lead nowhere


RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Motoman on 9/17/2010 11:24:16 AM , Rating: 2
BS.

As a guy who has mamy PCs and laptops in the house, networked to two outbuildings, and who runs his own web and email servers, your statement above is abysmally stupid.

Keeping such a network running requires zero work. Zero. Not even the slightest amount of my time is required to do any support or maintenance of this network.

Spare me with your "management" issues. There's not the smallest bit of validity to your post.


RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Pirks on 9/17/2010 11:41:03 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
Keeping such a network running requires zero work
People maintain all sorts of networks, not just the single configuration that's a clone of yours. And they run into serious issues with Windows legendary moronic stupidity. I wrote about an elaborate example of that a few posts above.

So don't you lie Mototroll, it may be VERY FAR from zero work. Depends on network topology.


RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Motoman on 9/17/2010 1:03:26 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
Depends on network topology.


In your case, I suspect it has to do with your catastrophic idiocy. Your "elaborate" post above demonstrates nothing other than your ability to foam at the mouth like the neuralectomy patient that you are. You have made no points at all, and frankly, you never do - and your rabid stupidity does nothing but further erode whatever legitimacy your viewpoint may have otherwise had.


RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Pirks on 9/17/2010 2:09:20 PM , Rating: 2
Your lies doesn't change the fact that this stupid Windows networking problem exists. It exists and it keeps laughing at you, dumb troll. Try harder next time.


RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Motoman on 9/17/2010 2:52:12 PM , Rating: 2
What networking problem? You didn't even identify one.

The fact of the matter is that you haven't got the slightest clue what you're talking about, and you probably made up the entire tirade up there about your "networking problem" in an attempt to justify your Macolyte status.

As always, you've not got the slightest clue what you're talking about. There is plenty of laughter going on here...the whole world is laughing at *you*, the brainless poster child of Apple consumers. You are exactly the kind of consumer that Apple caters to...in every way. The kind that hasn't the slightest ability to think for themselves, but is incredibly eager to soak up all the propaganda that Apple can throw at you, then gleefully regurgitate it on command.

You're not a technophile. You're a trained dog. Sit. Stay. STFU.


RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Pirks on 9/17/2010 5:13:42 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
What networking problem? You didn't even identify one.
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=19632...


RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Motoman on 9/18/2010 11:00:00 PM , Rating: 3
That's not an identified network problem.

That's you rabidly frothing about nothing...other than, probably, your own stupidity.


RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Pirks on 9/20/2010 9:41:29 AM , Rating: 1
quote:
That's not an identified network problem
Because you are unable to identify it, only speaks about your stupidity. Wanna check my words and try it out yourself? Nah you won't, coward, 'cause what are you gonna troll about when you see all of this dumbfuckd Windows 7 shit by yourself? ;-)


By triadone on 9/16/2010 5:01:21 AM , Rating: 3
Um, lol, and you'd have to statistically understand that it's completely moronic to assume that only users of Macs who fit into those categories are technically challenged while those who buy PCs are somehow more gifted. Having done repairs, upgrades, etc. with both Windows and Mac systems, people are technologically illiterate across all basic demographics. Try a new argument.


RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Helbore on 9/15/2010 2:09:43 PM , Rating: 2
A client of mine is a Doctor. I recently had to visit his office in order to turn his monitor on for him (no joke, he thought it had died because it didn't come on when he switched the computer on)

Don't asusme because sonmeone is skilled in a particular profession that it has any bearing on their skill with technology.


RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Lazarus Dark on 9/15/2010 6:47:49 PM , Rating: 5
My wifes entire life/work revolves around Photoshop on her Mac... but she wouldn't know an update if it bit her in the face. She can do things on Photoshop I don't even comprehend, but she has to call me whenever she needs to transfer a file from her macbook to a usb drive.

Artistic ability does not equal technical ability. All those Mac artists are kinda like idiot savants.


By Lerianis on 9/16/2010 8:56:52 AM , Rating: 2
Not really, they are just people who don't want to TAKE THE TIME to get computer literate. My father knows how to transfer to and read files on a USB drive, but only because I made him learn how to do it.

He whines about how things change on computers so fast, and I point out to him that Commodore things changed very fast back in the day.


RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By lolmuly on 9/15/2010 10:32:20 PM , Rating: 3
I can really only speak for film-makers, but i will tell you with certainty, the only film-makers who choose apple are the technically illiterate.

A professional film-maker will chose a windows based avid machine over final cut,

A professional vfx artist will choose a windows based nuke machine, or a redhat based sgi machine, over an apple (for which apple quit selling shake by the way)

A professional motion graphics artist will choose a windows based adobe machine over apple motion any day.

A professional disc author would never use apple's dvd studio pro because you can't shut the abstraction layer off.

I don't even know if they make 3D tracking applications for mac.

Particle simulators, 3D packages, 3D utilities, only a very small handful even exist for mac.

Finally given the premium they charge for their outdated hardware, I sincerely doubt that anyone would even bother setting up an apple render farm, if they did they would have to be some of the stupidest businessmen on the planet.

So please, do not offend me by mentioning apple and film-makers in the same sentence. Apple users are amateurs that can't tell their foot from their hand, and don't know why the difference is important.


RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Tony Swash on 9/16/10, Rating: -1
RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By lolmuly on 9/16/2010 2:56:03 PM , Rating: 4
yes and the rest of the categories?

Avatar - Avid

The Blind Side - Avid

District 9 - Avid

An Education - Avid

The Hurt Locker - Avid

Up - Avid

Up in the Air - Avid

I don't have a full list, but you get the point, it goes on and on. Go into television and the statistics get even worse.

a two man camera crew doing documentary interviews hardly counts as professional film making. The only reason you even heard about fcp at the oscars, is because so few companies actually use it.

Try getting a job in LA as a Final cut editor, see how many people laugh in your face.

I personally am not an editor, I couldn't care less about editing systems, but I have used both fcp and various avid systems. A professional avid system is worlds faster than some stock mac machine with fcp installed. Try learning them sometime and you will see what I mean.

There are really only two reasons amateurs use fcp, it's cheap, and everything is drag and drop. As a professional, you don't want a cheap system, and you definitely don't need drag and drop. Avid is reliable, fast, and preforms every time, that's why people use it despite the company being a bunch of blowholes.

FINALLY, PLEASE don't bring up directors that insist on editing their own movies. It's pretentious, and in bad taste.

A director can write, dp, cast himself, and then edit a movie, but it only makes him an a--hole that can't see why people fall asleep during his films (cough cough, benjamin button).


RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Helbore on 9/15/2010 2:11:29 PM , Rating: 4
Its more likely due to the fact that the update to iOS4 for the 3GS still hasn't completed on most iPhones.

Speed is not its friend.


By kmmatney on 9/15/2010 3:30:05 PM , Rating: 2
A lot of people bought the iPhone because it was the best thing out at the time. I bought my 3GS a little over a year ago. I tried out all the smartphones they had (I have to get AT&T since its a work phone) and no other phone even came close to its ease of use and overall capability. Next year when I can upgrade I will try out the phones again.


RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Sazar on 9/16/2010 4:35:01 AM , Rating: 2
No, it's because the Apple products have the bigger GB's and the wifi's.


By macthemechanic on 9/16/2010 10:55:45 AM , Rating: 2
That is such an infantile comment, it should cause embarrassment by the sender. If not, one would question their emotional status or perhaps maturity.


RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By BillyBatson on 9/16/2010 1:07:06 PM , Rating: 2
Your entire post is very ignorant and very untrue.


RE: Couldn't possibly be because...
By Pirks on 9/16/2010 2:22:27 PM , Rating: 2
That's why we call this idiot "the Mototroll" :)))


mmm
By SOSTrooper on 9/15/2010 12:36:51 PM , Rating: 2
Well for me, I've been on crappy DSL and it would take 15 mins to update. I'd rather not update and use the nice ping to play COD4 or something.




RE: mmm
By dubldwn on 9/15/2010 1:10:53 PM , Rating: 2
Yeah, it takes some time. Really, the reason for this is because you have to hook your iPhone up to a computer, which I personally haven't done in months, as opposed to an over the air update. That alone makes this "study" ridiculous.


RE: mmm
By bespoke on 9/15/2010 1:51:11 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Really, the reason for this is because you have to hook your iPhone up to a computer, which I personally haven't done in months, as opposed to an over the air update. That alone makes this "study" ridiculous.

DING DING DING!

How can they even compare adoption rates when the process of updating and the user involvement are completely different between the two systems?

My mother-in-law has an iPhone. She never hooks it up to her computer. Does this mean she's slow to adopt the latest iOS? No, it means she never hooks up her iPhone to her PC!


RE: mmm
By Alexstarfire on 9/15/2010 10:47:34 PM , Rating: 1
I think that's kind of the point. Showing that when you don't have OTA updates you can get some pretty bad fragmentation for the device. It's not like people are sitting around waiting for updates for their devices. I'd imagine most of them, the iPhone users, don't know of the update and/or don't think it'll benefit them that much. I know that when I find an update to a product I have I get it, but it's not like I go searching for them unless I'm waiting for them to fix a serious problem. Though if there is a serious problem I likely wouldn't have that product in the first place.

Many people continuously say that Android is fragmented and that the iPhone is not. It would seem that the iPhone is fragmented as well, and will likely only continue to get worse as older devices can't support newer and newer versions of iOS.

It'll happen with any OS though since not every device will support the latest version. The problem with Android isn't that the devices can't support the latest versions, but that they simply aren't available to get for a specific device. The problem lies with the cell carriers and the manufacturers though since they have to customize the ROM for their devices. It's rather sickening to think that many devices are held back because the companies that make and service the device simply don't give a fuck.


RE: mmm
By clovell on 9/15/2010 1:56:55 PM , Rating: 3
Um, no. The study isn't ridiculous. It's just common sense proven by data.

It demonstratively shows that upgrade rates are lower when yo have to plug in to a computer. I hadn't actually known this about the iPhone, and it really makes me like it even less - people buy a smartphone specifically so they don't have to tether it to a computer.


RE: mmm
By Iaiken on 9/15/2010 2:08:35 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
People buy a smartphone specifically so they don't have to tether it to a computer.


Score one for syncing data over the cloud...


RE: mmm
By tng on 9/16/2010 9:17:54 AM , Rating: 2
That is part of the reason, but when I saw the title of the article I had to laugh.

Many people buy an Android phone so they can write their own code for it, while people who buy Iphones for the most part don't know what code is. Allot of people who buy an open OS like Android do it just for that reason, while people who buy Iphones just want a cool phone.

After all, isn't part of owning an Apple product the slogan "It just works"?


.
By phatboye on 9/15/2010 12:27:15 PM , Rating: 3
Did they take into account that when iOS 4 was released to the iPhone 3 series phone users a lot of people held out on upgrading to the new OS because of fears that iOS would run more slowly on their older hardware unlike the upgrade to froyo on Android which actually brought speed improvements to the OS?




RE: .
By omnicronx on 9/15/2010 12:52:37 PM , Rating: 2
I think version requirements for apps have a lot to do with it too. Its not like you can use many of the new features found in iOS4 (aside from multitasking) on a non iPhone 4 anyways.

I have yet to update my iPad just because I am lazy, and I can still use pretty much every app I need.

Same can't be said for Android, don't have a 2.* phone? Can't use a lot of apps..

If you don't give users incentive to upgrade, many probably won't.


RE: .
By Iaiken on 9/15/2010 2:04:10 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Same can't be said for Android, don't have a 2.* phone? Can't use a lot of apps..


That is a bold-faced LIE!

If the author sets up version specific publishing, it will install the version of the app that is appropriate for your version of Android.

With proper source control, devs can then maintain separate streams for each, or hybrid streams and choose when they want to stop supporting different versions. Those that don't will likely suffer much more hectic dev cycles than those that do.

This is, of course, entirely up to the developer, which is more than what can be said for Apple's single stream approach where if you wanted to, you'd have to submit them for approval as wholly separate apps.


RE: .
By MonkeyPaw on 9/15/2010 5:42:55 PM , Rating: 2
iOS4 took a total dump on my 3G, so I performed the unofficial downgrade to 3.1.3. I hear 4.1 is supposed to fix all the problems I had, but at this point, I just don't believe it. Also, a lot of iPhone users I know never connect theirs to a computer, and rarely do they know there's even an update for it. Maybe if your phone actually told you an update was available and let you know how to upgrade it, Apple might see the upgrades happen.

Then there's the fact that you have to connect your phone to iTunes, which gets updated seemingly every over week (and requires a large download). Once that's done, you have to download another big update. Also, you have to be sure your iPhone is registered to work with the PC you're connected to. If you don't use iTunes as your music manager and keep it updated, even syncing your iPhone is a pretty big hassle.


RE: .
By macthemechanic on 9/16/2010 11:04:25 AM , Rating: 2
You are right. IOS 4 really should not be used on anything older than a 3GS. The processors in earlier iPhones cannot keep up with the demands of IOS 4 and the multitasking code built into it. We have an original iPhone still in use and we're staying on the earlier 3x version for now until we need to upgrade or replace the phone (not the IOS).


RE: .
By chripuck on 9/16/2010 12:09:33 PM , Rating: 2
The original iPhone is never getting iOS4. And the multi-tasking comment is crap. I had multi-tasking running on my original jailbroken iPhone w/ 3.1.2. It's Apple's implementation that is crap.

I'm really unhappy with the multi-tasking as implemented by Apple on my new iPhone. I open Skype for a reason damnit, don't close it because you think I don't want it open anymore.


...
By tbeers on 9/15/2010 12:25:55 PM , Rating: 4
"Researchers Tries"

I kind of quit reading after that...

Pretty sure the base of users don't want to upgrade for fear of perma-unjailbreaking their device.




RE: ...
By omnicronx on 9/15/2010 12:54:22 PM , Rating: 1
Only around 10% of iOS devices are estimated to be jailbroken, so that alone most likely does not account for everything being mentioned here.


RE: ...
By tbeers on 9/15/2010 2:38:35 PM , Rating: 1
Source?
You know it's a lot higher than that.


RE: ...
By futrtrubl on 9/15/2010 12:53:16 PM , Rating: 1
I could almost understand that happening in the body of the "article", but in the title...


Does this really surprise anyone?
By 91TTZ on 9/15/2010 5:03:38 PM , Rating: 2
They're wondering why people haven't upgraded to iOS 4 at the same rate as Froyo.

Just about everything I've read suggests that Froyo made Android phones faster, while iOS made iPhones slower.

Is the poor upgrade rate really a surprise then?




RE: Does this really surprise anyone?
By sprockkets on 9/16/2010 12:28:23 AM , Rating: 2
Froyo doesn't speed up earlier Android phones like the G1, my touch and others of that gen, which to be fair, is in the same time frame of the 3G. In fact it just like the new ios slows them down due to its higher memory/storage requirements. My friend rooted his my touch and put on the latest firmware, and crap, it takes over a minute to boot. I couldn't tolerate that.

The iphone 3GS doesn't suffer slowdowns because the new os from apple is optimized for the current ARM arch, per Anand on Anandtech.com


By Alexstarfire on 9/16/2010 4:26:37 PM , Rating: 2
How often do you people boot up your phone? Only booting I've done is when I got my phone and when I was rooting it and playing around with firmware. Haven't rebooted since then.

I know that some phones aren't getting 2.1 or 2.2 because of the storage/memory requirements. They do have custom ROMs that make them fit onto devices that aren't going to officially get these updates though. Not much surprise that it doesn't always work properly on unsupported devices.


Upgrade my firmware?!
By The Raven on 9/15/2010 1:34:41 PM , Rating: 5
What are you crazy? Why upgrade my firmware when I can just buy the newest hardware? ;-)




Oh Noes
By ApfDaMan on 9/15/2010 12:25:07 PM , Rating: 1
Inb4 crying about the horrible grammar in the title of this article.




RE: Oh Noes
By Sazabi19 on 9/15/2010 2:02:24 PM , Rating: 2
in b4 "fixed"


Scaling Effects
By ltcommanderdata on 9/15/2010 1:26:01 PM , Rating: 2
Part of the reason for the difference may be the size of the installed base. iPhone 3GS users are in the tens of millions while I haven't seen Motorola's Droid numbers, they could be nearly an order of magnitude smaller. It's always hard to get a large installed base to upgrade as Microsoft can attest to with Windows.

The other thing is this study is very narrowly focused on the Motorola Droid and iPhone 3GS and is trying to generalize to an overall Android/iOS comparison. I'm sure reporters are playing this up as well. Overall Android 2.2 adoption rate across all Android devices no doubt wouldn't look as nice, with even the Motorola Droid being late to introduce Android 2.2 compared to the Nexus One. So there's already a time scale factor right there that isn't being reported. Whereas iOS 4.0 was available to the mass majority of iOS devices at the same time. And really, in terms of OS fragmentation, it is a really positive thing for developers that Apple is offering iOS 4.x free to iPod Touch owners (2nd gen and newer) since charging for it was previously a big cause of OS fragmentation on iOS devices.




By Wolfpup on 9/15/2010 2:31:42 PM , Rating: 2
Android you're stuck waiting for a hardware maker to bother updating it, which they may or may not do. Manufacturers are still selling 1.5 and 1.6 based devices for crying out loud!

Apple, at worst, you'll get the update a few weeks after it's released, unless you never sync your iPod/iPhone.




It's obvious
By morphologia on 9/15/2010 2:54:02 PM , Rating: 2
I think it's because so many iGadgets are jailbroken, and the users have to wait for the new OS release to be properly chewed for them so it doesn't stick in their craw. Or brick their phones. Or whatever.

Anyway...rate of OS upgrade is kinda a ridiculous statistic to care about.




A Clue...
By greylica on 9/15/2010 4:58:14 PM , Rating: 2
You Break the Jail, they make an update, you install a third party very cool software, a new update break the software. People whose are (not so happy now) owners of Iphones doesn't upgrade to stop playing cat and mouse with Apple...




By Targon on 9/15/2010 8:10:02 PM , Rating: 2
For Android, the updates are adding new features, speed, and/or stability. This makes users interested in going to the new versions of Android.

For iOS though, what benefit do most people see from upgrading? For the 3GS, the move to 4.0 added the pseudo-multitasking, with some more bug fixes with the updates. Still, since most of the new features are reserved for the iPhone 4, most people with previous iPhones will just shrug when told there is a new iOS version.

Hell, the Palm community saw more of a reason to update from 1.4.1.1, 1.4.2, or 1.4.3 to 1.4.5 than iPhone users, just because of the PDK application support that requires that update. An 8MB download for OTA for the Palm Pre and Palm Pre Plus update is also small enough and easy enough to be fairly painless.




Suprising?
By XSpeedracerX on 9/16/2010 2:04:45 AM , Rating: 2
Its well know that iOS updates cost you something. I went to 4.0 from 3.1.3. Docs to go became useless as the keyboard lagged beyond useability. Speed suffered irreparably on pretty much every app I ran on it, and the clock would jump two hours ahead on me for no good goddamned reason. Oh and all that cool multitasking background wallpaper awesomeness? Yeah, you didn't upgrade to the pricier 3G ipods. You have a 2G ipod so, NO SOUP FOR YOU!

I jailbroke it and gave apple the finger. multitasking, background wallpaper and all with none of the 'decreased user experience' apple said would happen if they enabled that stuff themselves. I guess this study just shows that word of mouth is a powerful thing and people think that you might lose something when you 'upgrade' to apple's next iOS. If they didn't try to enforce the upgrade cycle by progressively gimping older devices, then the iHeads out there would probably upgrade even more frequently than the droid folks. I know I'm not messing around with 4.1 'till the next jailbreak comes out...




Polish?
By triadone on 9/16/2010 4:55:08 AM , Rating: 2
I don't suppose they considered user satisfaction? Apple has basically the highest customer service and product loyalty ratings in the computer and mobile industry. Say what you will, if the product is polished (UI, user experience, ecosystem, etc.) then would a user of any platform feel compelled to have to upgrade? All i hear about the droids is fragmentation which you can easily see by way of fully hardware capable phones getting the various OS iterations at different timeframes. That, and the fact that users are so tweaked about the pending fixes included. Simply put, most 3G users might be completely happy to stay w/ iOS 3 which was at a pretty polished stage. In light of the noted issues w/ iOS 4 such as power drain on the 3GS and the slowdown on the 3G, it doesn't surprise me that some might wait for the kinks to be worked out. Seeing as how some OTA droid updates have bricked peoples' phones it might be wise to wait for a reliable update in that department as well.




By macthemechanic on 9/16/2010 10:50:40 AM , Rating: 2
I know of one person at work that has a jailbroken iPhone. Her husband bought it on eBay and it was hacked to work on TMobile. So he told her to never update it with iTunes. So she has no plans to update the IOS for fear of her phone being deactivated.




Wait, what?
By rburnham on 9/16/2010 4:36:07 PM , Rating: 2
Maybe I am wrong here, but wouldn't it be easier to upgrade an iPad over an iPhone, as you can just put the iPad on your home wireless network, whereas the iPhone requires a data plan to get internet access. Assuming that is true, that's just odd that iPads remain non-upgraded.

I don't own either, so I am not totally sure about functionality, but I think that's how they work.




dunno about you guys
By Pirks on 9/15/10, Rating: -1
RE: dunno about you guys
By Scabies on 9/15/2010 1:21:39 PM , Rating: 2
shoot, I already commented and can't rate you down


RE: dunno about you guys
By Pirks on 9/15/10, Rating: 0
RE: dunno about you guys
By Tony Swash on 9/15/2010 1:59:18 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Tony, defend yourself or give up


You do realise that the Android figures in this article refers to just one phone. The official Google Android OS stats site, which is here

http://developer.android.com/resources/dashboard/p...

shows that only %28.7 of Android handset have been upgraded to 2.2.

Nearly %60 of iPhone 3GS owners have upgraded to iOS4.

I like this article

http://eliainsider.com/2010/09/14/fighting-the-wro...

Now for something completely different. Utterly unrelated to any topic under discussion here but something I must recommend as a must see, is this video entitled "The luckiest bastards alive". It actually made me gasp with anxiety.

http://kottke.org/10/09/the-luckiest-bastards-aliv...


RE: dunno about you guys
By Pirks on 9/15/2010 2:07:54 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
You do realise that the Android figures in this article refers to just one phone
I missed this part, so you win this time. Grrr.


RE: dunno about you guys
By Iaiken on 9/15/2010 2:19:24 PM , Rating: 2
You fail at stats.

quote:
shows that only %28.7 of Android handset have been upgraded to 2.2.


That is because there are numerous devices whose manufacturers have no intention of upgrading them to 2.2.

For devices that do OTA 2.2 updates, 95%+ adoption rates are pretty commonplace. Meanwhile the adoption rate for devices like the LG GW620 will remain 0% due to LG flat out stating that they have no intention to upgrade the phone past v1.6.

This goes back to my other comment about Google allowing devs to set up separate streams for their apps for different versions of Android.

This is another reason to stick to manufacturers with a very active support life-cycle (Motorola, HTC, Samsung), lest you be stuck with 1.6 until you change handsets.


RE: dunno about you guys
By Keeir on 9/15/2010 4:14:09 PM , Rating: 1
No... you fail at stats.

The point isn't how many people of a particular phone upgrade thier operating system... its how many people using a particular operating system update thier operating system. It really doesn't matter WHY they don't update, just that they don't...

The important information of a developer is the # of people using a particular OS and number of OS that should be supported. If developing an App for Andriod means a large number of version of Andriod to support... does it really matter if its because some Manu. are lazy? Its still extra effort... unless your willing throw out a large number of people who are stuck at 1.6, 2.0, etc


RE: dunno about you guys
By Iaiken on 9/15/2010 5:27:12 PM , Rating: 3
I write apps for Android and if you're not a total retard, maintaining a source control with hybrid branching is NOT hard.

I maintain a main branch, most of which goes into each of my hybrid sub-branches for each major version of Android. These sub-branches almost exclusively contain version specific (sometimes phone specific) bug fixes that my customers request.

Predictably, I haven't had to do anything specifically for 1.5 or 1.6 for about a year now and 2.0 has remained unchanged for ~5 months. Why? Because as I add version specific features for new android versions, I don't seed them backwards into streams where I know they won't work.

So to me, your perception of what these stats mean to Android developers is irrelevant because the scenario that you are cooking up hasn't happened anywhere but in your flippant little mind.

Go make up more 'facts'.


RE: dunno about you guys
By Alexstarfire on 9/15/2010 11:09:41 PM , Rating: 2
It does matter why, just not to developers.


RE: dunno about you guys
By Sazabi19 on 9/15/2010 2:01:10 PM , Rating: 2
zomg its the pirks!!! where have you been!? You and reader1 have been absent for quite a while, naturally, Tony Swash had to come the pic for the most annoying and new most hated. Though i have to say at times you make sense... unlike reader1. Mixed feelings to see you back...


RE: dunno about you guys
By Pirks on 9/15/2010 5:45:44 PM , Rating: 1
been quietly stalking the Mototroll choosing the best moment to strike :P the guy was barking too much this time, so I couldn't help myself :)))

and Tony is not really hated, you can't hate nice and polite guy like him


RE: dunno about you guys
By Tony Swash on 9/15/2010 6:57:17 PM , Rating: 1
quote:
and Tony is not really hated, you can't hate nice and polite guy like him


Thanks - i'm touched ;)

And as a token of goodwill to all around here - here are two video links that have nothing to do with anything we discuss here but are just very entertaining. Enjoy

http://vimeo.com/1778399

Wish I had brave enough to do this sort of stuff when I was young

and this.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1upZz3a-7iM&f

I don't why watching these guy bang out their tune makes me so damm happy.


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