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Carbon Nanotube Deflecting Projectile  (Source: University of Sydney)
Researchers are studying carbon nanotubes for more effective replacement to Kevlar

Carbon nanotubes are one of the more promising materials conceived in the field of nanotechnology. These carbon nanotubes are the focus of many researchers from around the world for a wide variety of tasks and uses.

DailyTech has previously covered the use of carbon nanotube embedded paper used as a battery, carbon nanotube based thermal interface material for computer use and the use of carbon nanotubes in super capacitors.

Two researchers, Kausala Mylvaganam and L C Zhang, from the University of Sydney in Australia have released a study of carbon nanotubes for their ballistic resistance capacity (PDF). The researchers are looking at carbon nanotube sheets as an alternative to fibers like Kevlar.

The trait that makes carbon nanotubes so interesting for use in bulletproof vests is that the carbon nanotubes have excellent resistance to repeated ballistic impacts. In theory, that would mean that soldiers and police officers wouldn’t need to replace body armor after taking hits and multiple hits in prolonged firefights would be more survivable than with current generation body armor.

Unlike Kevlar fibers that deform and loose effectiveness after struck, the carbon nanotube vest can withstand repeated impacts to the same spot without allowing the bullet to penetrate. The researchers say that body armor 600nm in thickness constructed form six sheets of the 100nm thick carbon nanotube yarns could bounce off a bullet with muzzle energy of 320 J.

That would be enough strength to stop low powered bullets fired from some handguns, but high velocity bullets fired from assault rifles carry much more muzzle energy than the current carbon nanotube fibers can withstand.


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Knife vs Bullet
By Jjoshua2 on 11/6/2007 4:38:55 PM , Rating: 2
How could kevlar or carbon nanotubes stop a bullet and not stop a knife?




RE: Knife vs Bullet
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 11/6/2007 4:42:53 PM , Rating: 3
The sharp blade will actually separate the layers of CNTs, where as a bullet is blunt.


RE: Knife vs Bullet
By Jjoshua2 on 11/6/2007 4:46:49 PM , Rating: 2
so if someone comes up with a needle-nose or some type of sharp pointed bullet, it will go right through kevlar and CNT?
BTW, I haven't ever figured out how to rate someone up or down.


RE: Knife vs Bullet
By Aiserou on 11/6/2007 4:55:07 PM , Rating: 3
That's the jist behind the term "Armor Piercing Round". The sharp end of the projectile usually has to be hardened considerably to withstand the impact though.

As for the rating, you have to have a certain number of post, and I'm not sure, but I think a certain number of them have to be rated positively. Someone feel free to correct me on that though.


RE: Knife vs Bullet
By ZimZum on 11/6/2007 6:08:04 PM , Rating: 6
"The slow blade penetrates the Shield"


RE: Knife vs Bullet
By drakanious on 11/6/2007 8:30:47 PM , Rating: 2
Nice Dune reference.


RE: Knife vs Bullet
By Calin on 11/7/2007 2:49:09 AM , Rating: 2
Also, the blunt nose will create a more devastating wound than a sharp nosed bullet would.
There is an mostly inverse proportion between "stopping power" (let's say biological damage) and penetration power for rounds having the same energy. While most pistol bullets concentrate on stopping power (final tissue damage and temporary deformations in tissue=pain), others concentrate on having bullets actually able to hurt someone behind a car's door.


RE: Knife vs Bullet
By Visual on 11/7/2007 4:24:12 AM , Rating: 2
you can only give ratings in threads that you have not commented in.
i don't think your number of posts or their ratings are a factor at all.


RE: Knife vs Bullet
By imaheadcase on 11/7/2007 3:18:57 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
so if someone comes up with a needle-nose or some type of sharp pointed bullet, it will go right through kevlar and CNT?


Its already been invented, its called a "arrow". :D


RE: Knife vs Bullet
By gradoman on 11/6/2007 4:43:25 PM , Rating: 2
That would be because all of the energy is focused on a such a small point.

Chainmail under vest, ftw.


RE: Knife vs Bullet
By bodar on 11/6/2007 4:59:35 PM , Rating: 2
Chain mail will not stop a stab, it is only effective against slashing. It, like ballistic vests, were never able to protect against stabbing attacks. I have seen armor-grade steel chain stabbed through with a crappy Renn Faire sword. It was worn by a melon at the time, for a demonstration on medieval armor and weapons. Although I suppose it's possible the kevlar may slow the knife down enough to work.


RE: Knife vs Bullet
By bodar on 11/6/2007 5:06:33 PM , Rating: 2
Also, I guess if the rings were welded, not butted, and were Titanium, not steel, you'd have a really good chance at least.


RE: Knife vs Bullet
By KristopherKubicki (blog) on 11/7/2007 12:38:18 AM , Rating: 3
Its been a while since I took a materials class, but I seem to recall Titanium being extremely difficult to weld.


RE: Knife vs Bullet
By theapparition on 11/7/2007 9:36:59 AM , Rating: 2
You would be correct, it has to be done in an inert atmosphere, and requires specialized equipment.


RE: Knife vs Bullet
By Martimus on 11/7/2007 9:33:25 AM , Rating: 2
Why would titanium work better than steel? Armor grade steel is harder than titanium, it is just heavier. As Kristopher said, titanium is nearly impossible to weld, although you could friction stir weld it easily enough. A bullet doesn't have much force behind it, it is just really small and travels at a very high rate of speed. A bayonet has a whole lot more force behind it.


RE: Knife vs Bullet
By Captain Orgazmo on 11/6/2007 7:19:57 PM , Rating: 2
Some vests (typically for urban security guards or cops) have a titanium wire mesh/screen built in as a knife resistant layer. Also armour with plates/scales like Dragonskin are very good against knife attacks.


RE: Knife vs Bullet
By Locke013 on 11/6/2007 4:55:02 PM , Rating: 5
It has a lot to do with the power behind the strike. A bullet has a lot of initial impact energy, but no follow up energy. Once a bullet's initial energy is absorbed, its gone. A Knife strike has the whole arm and muscle system behind it. Once a knife's initial energy is spent there is a whole lot of extra energy coming from the push of the person's muscles on the knife. Kevlar and vests designed to be bullet proof simply cannot withstand that extra force from a knife.


RE: Knife vs Bullet
By feraltoad on 11/6/2007 7:14:58 PM , Rating: 3
Just to add more detail for fun: a bullet also deforms losing some of that energy like a crumple zone in a car, exspansion in tissue results in massive damage but in a vest helps slow it down since it is spreading energy across a larger area as well. A knife doesn't deform.

Interesting how it is against Geneva Convention to use hollow points (dumdum bullets) that cause severe tissue damage and death (I guess it would be the difference in "My arm, its been hit!" versus "My arm, its been f*cking blown off!", but it is the full metal jacketed bullets that are more effective in penatrating body armor. I have seen News agencies call them "cop killers", as if other bullets were designed to stun.


RE: Knife vs Bullet
By rcc on 11/7/2007 5:28:08 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
but it is the full metal jacketed bullets that are more effective in penatrating body armor. I have seen News agencies call them "cop killers", as if other bullets were designed to stun.


Don't confuse the classic FMJ with an armor piercing round. Totally different animals. Your standard full metal jacket is a copper sheath on a lead bullet. It prevents leading in the barrel of guns (typically over 900fps), other than that, it has minimal impact on the expansion of the bullet.

An armor piecing, or cop killer, round (watch Lethal Weapon much?) is either teflon coated, or made with a steel or tungsten core.

Actually, hollow points and dum dums are different animals as well. A hollow point is just that, and it facilitates expansion of the the bullet on impact. A "dum dum" is scored in some fashion, usually an X or +, and is designed to fragment on impact. Depending on the movies you watch, a hollow point is the one you see them filling with mercury and various other unpleasant things to compound the damage or effects of a hit.


RE: Knife vs Bullet
By feraltoad on 11/12/2007 3:51:15 AM , Rating: 2
Oops not the Geneva Convention!!!!

It was the Hague Peace Conferences of 1899 & 1907. Sorry. :(

Plus out Military snipers use jacketed hollow points so it doesn't even seem to stand.


RE: Knife vs Bullet
By murphyslabrat on 11/7/2007 12:21:08 AM , Rating: 2
OK, you putting 600 joules of kinetic energy behind a knife, and some handguns have a muzzle velocity closer to 800 joules.