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Cult of Mac says that T-Mobile is in advanced talks to nab the iPhone 4

When we hear rumors of the iPhone going to other carrier in the United States, it seems as though Verizon is the carrier most often talked about to wrestle exclusivity away from AT&T. However, the move to Verizon poses a strategic problem for Apple considering that Verizon operates an incompatible CDMA wireless network.

According to Cult of Mac, a deal which would bring the iPhone 4 to T-Mobile's network will occur during Q3 of this year. Cult of Mac's sources say that there's an 80 percent chance that the deal will go through.

T-Mobile would appear to be the logical choice as both AT&T and T-Mobile currently operate GSM wireless networks. In fact, unlocked iPhone can currently run on T-Mobile's network albeit without 3G speeds (iPhones have to fall back to EDGE when operating on T-Mobile).

As for getting full 3G speeds on the iPhone while operating on T-Mobile's network, Cult of Mac states the following:

The iPhone 4 adds the 2100 band, but not the 1700 band, which has led some to conclude that it is incompatible with T-Mobile’s 3G network. However, there is some debate whether Apple simply didn’t list the 1700 band, which seems to be the convention when listing such specs.

Although Cult of Mac seems pretty confident in their source with regards to the iPhone coming to T-Mobile, we've heard these kinds of reports time and time again.

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By dj LiTh on 7/21/2010 5:01:28 PM , Rating: 2
I'm currently going to school in europe. I have an iphone 3g which is on the T-mobile network over there already. They (apple and tmobile) already do business, so this doesnt seem like that far of a stretch to me. What i think is curious is how AT&T would respond given that they have a contract until 2012. I doubt it would be favorable.

The day that apple makes these phones completely open to all carriers (without unlocking/jailbreak) is the day they double their profits. Likewise if they ever start selling osX for all computers (without the aid of osX86project) then they will be as big as microsoft. They would still be able to sell their closed systems, and tout them as premium systems, and people would still buy them, but they would simply do a vast more amount of business in my eyes.

RE: Possible
By thrust2night on 7/21/10, Rating: -1
RE: Possible
By dj LiTh on 7/21/2010 5:33:45 PM , Rating: 2
Um yes they are officially doing business, goto check out their international phone company providers.

RE: Possible
By bbomb on 7/21/2010 5:25:17 PM , Rating: 3
In the U.S. the newest ones wil always be locked to one carrier. There will never be a new non-exclusive iPhone.

RE: Possible
By Nutzo on 7/21/2010 6:13:44 PM , Rating: 4
Likewise if they ever start selling osX for all computers (without the aid of osX86project) then they will be as big as microsoft.

That might have been true years ago, but not today, especially for businesses. One good thing if they did, it would force Microsoft to lower thier OS prices to compete.

Plus, if they gain any more market share, they are going to become major a target for hackers & Viruses.

RE: Possible
By Calindar on 7/21/2010 6:23:33 PM , Rating: 5
Likewise if they ever start selling osX for all computers (without the aid of osX86project) then they will be as big as microsoft.

I used to think the same thing, before I actually started using OS X. Holy hell is that OS a pain in the ass to use. First off the mouse acceleration curve is horrific... How do you screw that up? Next, window management is a pain and the singleton file menu bar at the top of the desktop for all applications makes window management, and actually using programs, even more of a pain. The Dock is obnoxious, it's like an ambiguous, less useful Windows/Linux task bar. Why does clicking on the icon not open another instance of the application?

I heard for so long from the Macolytes how great of a "User Experience" OS X was, and I almost believed it. After using it a bit, it is the most unproductive OS I have ever used(Used Windows and Linux a lot). I'd never use OS X if I didn't have to for specific things, and I'd love to see what all those people praising it were actually seeing.


RE: Possible
By djcameron on 7/21/2010 8:40:18 PM , Rating: 5
Yeah, I finally got tired of dealing with OS X and my MacBook now uses Windows 7, exclusively. I've never been happier!

RE: Possible
By justpassingby on 7/22/10, Rating: -1
RE: Possible
By cditty on 7/22/2010 10:05:00 AM , Rating: 3
Ditto here, I only boot OS X when I want to run Xcode. My Macbook Pro stays in Windows 7 the rest of the time. In my opinion, the OS X UI feels old compared to Windows 7.

RE: Possible
By jimbojimbo on 7/22/2010 11:39:52 AM , Rating: 3
I know a couple of people with Macs but the funny thing is they are always on a virtualized Windows7 machine within it and not using any of the Mac stuff. Hmm...

RE: Possible
By sprockkets on 7/22/2010 11:34:39 PM , Rating: 2
The Dock is obnoxious, it's like an ambiguous, less useful Windows/Linux task bar. Why does clicking on the icon not open another instance of the application?

Agreed. I hate that on Win7 as well.

I think what your problem is (and mine as well) OSX is too dumb for you :)

RE: Possible
By Calindar on 7/23/2010 11:08:19 AM , Rating: 2
Yep. But at least with Windows 7 I can remove all of those dock style icons and just use it like a regular task bar, which is what I do.

Has she not been reading the news?
By Motoman on 7/21/2010 6:01:53 PM , Rating: 5
She's going to drop calls like crazy with her teats squeezing it on either side like that.

RE: Has she not been reading the news?
By danofromsano on 7/22/2010 2:02:43 AM , Rating: 4

Some one tell here those are not Apple approved "bumpers"

RE: Has she not been reading the news?
By Dorkyman on 7/22/2010 3:14:00 AM , Rating: 5
Her implants are made of silicone.

A bumper case is made of silicone.

Coincidence? I think not.

By sprockkets on 7/22/2010 11:36:46 PM , Rating: 2
But, but, they are real!!!

By Motoman on 7/22/2010 11:42:43 AM , Rating: 2
I for one approve of her bumpers. And she can use them to wrap whatever she likes, as far as I am concerned.

no they didn't
By SandmanWN on 7/21/2010 5:02:33 PM , Rating: 5
Whoever photo shopped an iPhone over Zeta's chest should be skinned alive for the betterment of all men.

RE: no they didn't
By neogrin on 7/21/2010 5:15:47 PM , Rating: 2
Whoever photo shopped an iPhone over Zeta's chest should be skinned alive for the betterment of all men.

I agree, that picture needs to go on

RE: no they didn't
By The0ne on 7/21/2010 5:18:45 PM , Rating: 2
Yep, terrible job on such a beautiful woman.

By SlipDizzy on 7/21/2010 5:17:52 PM , Rating: 2
If AT&T's network is having issues due to the iPhone, what would make T-Mobile a good choice to negotiate with? I may be wrong, but isn't T-Mobile's network a lot smaller than AT&Ts?

RE: T-Mobile?
By Gungel on 7/21/2010 5:28:19 PM , Rating: 2
I agree, t-mobile was the only carrier with no signal inside our building. It might be fine in larger cities, but for people that live in suburbs with less than 100% coverage it simply sucks.

RE: T-Mobile?
By killerroach on 7/21/2010 5:35:48 PM , Rating: 3
T-Mobile is the only other nationwide GSM carrier; it's not likely they'd have to do anything to get it to run on that network. Not to mention T-Mobile has the ability to support the phone; their parent company (Deutsche Telekom) is one of the major iPhone providers in Europe, and they've been known to give pretty good support for people bringing an unlocked iPhone onto their network.

Around here (SW Michigan) T-Mobile actually has a more extensive 3G rollout than AT&T does, so that should make things relatively interesting for people around here. (I'm sticking with my Nexus One on T-Mobile, however.)

RE: T-Mobile?
By justpassingby on 7/22/2010 4:35:57 AM , Rating: 2
There are a few things at work here-

First off, a majority of AT&T's network was designed for the original 850MHz band. You may recall when Legacy AT&T originally launched 2.5G GSM/EDGE service in 2001 time frame, everyone said it had poor coverage. That's because 2.5G GSM/EDGE was originally launched on the 1900MHz band in many markets.

A physics lesson:
Cell towers operating at 850MHz can serve nearly 3 times the space that a comparable 1900MHz site can serve. After AT&T decommissioned it's AMPS and TDMA networks, it re-allocated that spectrum to 2.5G GSM/EDGE.

Smart thing:
T-Mobile's network was designed for 1900MHz from the very beginning. This means a few things. First, T-Mobile's had from the start a handicap. Based on physics, a 1900MHz signal requires twice the power as a 850MHz tower to serve the same landmass. Considering the FCC-imposed limit of power of handsets of something like 1 watt, T-Mobile had to invest 2x (if not more) into building out more towers to provide similar coverage to a 850MHz network.

This is actually a good thing, because more towers means means more network elements and more capacity for the long term. Another smart thing T-Mobile did was buy 2100MHz spectrum for their 3G network. This spectrum within a stone's throw of 1900MHz, and using existing leases, it almost guarantees 3G coverage equivalent to their current voice offering. What we don't know for sure is if AT&T's 3G network issues are related to spectrum capacity (remedy: buy more incompatible user-experience spectrum) backhaul (remedy: run T3s to the cell sites), cell capacity (remedy: build more cell sites), or something else (remedy: don't pour water on gremlins).

Unfortunately, it seems no one really has a good answer to any of the challenges at AT&T, but if the country responsible for bringing horrible, horrible autos like the Mercedes SL55 to the US, perhaps they have some influence in the USA.


Go iPhone!
By EasyC on 7/22/2010 7:04:47 AM , Rating: 2
From 1 crappy network to another...

I wouldn't be surprised if they released a silent fix to the iPhone 4 for T-Mobiles network so they can blame the "grip of death" on AT&T.

RE: Go iPhone!
By InvertMe on 7/22/2010 12:57:28 PM , Rating: 2
TMO's network may be a little limited in coverage but where you do get coverage it's pretty solid and fast. Not only that but TMO's customer support is some of the best in the business. While I am not a fan of anything Apple this is probably a very good thing for Tmobile to increase their customer base. Which hopefully translates into more revenue to beef up the network even more.

Verizon, no problem
By afkrotch on 7/21/2010 8:54:02 PM , Rating: 3
I don't see a problem with the iPhone being on Verizon. The iPhone is on Korean networks, which happen to be CDMA.

By ikaika on 7/21/2010 7:22:28 PM , Rating: 2
I did a side job for a friend this past weekend who's husband is a T-Mo VP. I posed the question about new devices, as I currently use a iPhone 2g on T-Mo and my contract is almost up (implying that I'm wanting a iPhone 4).

He simply replied, "just wait. there are some very cool devices coming out in a couple months."

Could this be????

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By Scabies on 7/22/2010 12:44:56 AM , Rating: 2
but but but I thought t-mobile would tank next year!
or at least DT columnist Tiffany Kaiser seems to think so...

lets just hope for a slight hardware revision before they start etching T-Mobile on the back. Something like an integrated Antenna-Aid

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