quote: I've been to Hong Kong numerous times, Canton twice, and Shanghai once. I haven't been to Beijing, where I hear its worse. While the 'oppression' may not be as bad as some believe, its certainly not a free and open society. If you think otherwise, go stand in the middle of Tiananmen Square and try a few Falun Gong exercises, or try to chat up someone about the '89 Massacre
quote: Probably...but very slowly, and with occasional backsliding. And with no guarantee it will ever be a truly free society.
quote: The same government is in charge as in 89. The same people who killed those students are still not brought to justice...and the same protestors arrested in '89 are still in jail. History repeats itself, my friend. The only way the Chinese government won't massacre more protestors is if people stop protesting entirely.
quote: Well, that pretty much sums the situation. You can "question" the government as long as you don't say anything to make them angry. Otherwise, you'll spend the rest of your life in prison. Just ask Shi Tao (10 years prison for mentioning the government's censorship policy) or Li Zhi (8 years prison for criticizing government corruption)
quote: Oops, I read Xinhau on a fairly regular basis.
quote: I'm sorry, you just lost what little credibility you had left with this statement. Are you so truly ignorant of your own country's economy to believe this? Hell, China doesn't even having a floating currency yet, for god's sake.
quote: College students in central China smashed offices and set fires in a riot sparked by administrative changes...
Photos of the weekend riots posted on the Internet showed fires set in debris-strewn school courtyards and glass smashed in administrative offices, shops, cars and a bank.
There was no mention of the apparent riots in the country's state- controlled media.
quote: Government agents in my hotel lobby, making "conspicious notes" of people I spoke with. People afraid to speak with me, for real or imagined repercussions. Refusal to grant me travel access to many regions in China (most cities were completely closed to foreigners). Requiring me to register daily as a foreign visitor, so the government could track my movements. All in all, it was worse than what I experienced while traveling in the USSR in the late 1980s.
quote: So now I'm a liar? There are plenty of Chinese expatriates telling the same stories....as well as the governments of pretty much every nation on earth. Except for the Chinese, government of course.
quote: Shanghai, ten years ago. I seriously doubt its changed that much, given everyone I speak to from China gives similar reports...as does every human rights organization on the entire planet.
quote: > "I do wish to point out that your attitude toward these stories comes through your articles "
quote: "Just like any other global company, Yahoo! must ensure that its local country sites must operate within the laws, regulations and customs of the country in which they are based," Yahoo spokeswoman Mary Osako...
quote: Yahoo told AFP it "only responded with what we were legally compelled to provide, and nothing more".
Yahoo! furthermore insists that it cannot be expected to take on the might of Beijing alone.
Its statement adds: "Private industry alone cannot effectively influence foreign government policies on issues like the free exchange of ideas, maximum access to information, and human rights reform, and we believe continued government-to-government dialogue is vital to achieve progress on these complex political issues...
quote: On December 6, 2005, Chinese security forces fired at villagers who were protesting insufficient compensation for land taken for power plant construction in Dongzhou, Guangdong province. It was the most serious shooting of public protestors since the June 1989 massacre of democracy advocates in Tiananmen Square...
The Chinese authorities admitted in December that three people were killed when security forces fired at the villagers. At the time of the protests, villagers speaking by telephone with foreign journalists put the toll much higher. The killings took place after a large crowd gathered to protest the arrest of villagers involved in negotiations about adequate compensation for the land taken. Dongzhou was sealed off, with roadblocks set up to keep journalists out.
The first official response was to claim that the shootings occurred only after well-organized villagers initiated the violence. Chinese authorities called the incident “a serious violation of the law.” However, local residents also told foreign journalists that security forces had opened fire without warning and that the paramilitary People’s Armed Police (PAP) was seen in the vicinity. Only then did the government begin to backpedal.
quote: Hong Kong, December 8, 2005) — Thousands of citizens who petition Chinese authorities for the redress of grievances are attacked, beaten, threatened, and intimidated...Activists and representatives trying to help petitioners are also beaten and arrested....
Local officials send “retrievers” [jiefang renyuan]— plain-clothes security officers—who attack and intimidate petitioners and force them to return to their home province. Beijing police, in turn, play their part: to quell the threat of rising discontent, they raze the shantytowns where petitioners live in Beijing, round up petitioners, and hand them over to the retrievers, turning a blind eye to the retaliatory violence...
Ms. Kang’s case began when her husband, injured in a state-run factory, was unable to collect promised workers’ compensation. Alleging official corruption in management of the factory, Ms. Kang began to petition, and eventually took her complaint to Beijing. In 2002 she was seized there and taken back to Jilin
[In Jilin], I spent sixteen days in the detention house. They shackled me to a chair by my hands and feet. I couldn’t move at all. Everything was swollen, my hands, my feet. Everything became numb. They beat me and I couldn’t take it. It was so hard. After sixteen days, I was sentenced to reeducation through labor for one year. It was the first month of the lunar new year [roughly, February 2002]…. I was beaten in there four times because I wouldn’t eat….
[ Testimony on another incident, by a Mr. Jiang]: At 8:00 p.m. on the evening of December 30, the electric and phone lines in my house were cut. The village deputy [Communist] Party secretary brought the [thugs] on his motorcycle to my house. The vice secretary was just waiting outside on the motorcycle until the men beat me to a pulp to take him home. He [the vice secretary] gave the men 10,000 yuan [U.S.$1,200] to beat me to death . The village deputy secretary paid them to kill me. They organized it that day over lunch.