quote: The main issue is that Windows 8 is really meant for mobile devices. The huge tiles and navigation will look great on smartphones and tablets, but for businesses and most work-related purposes, it's a pain. This is mainly because of a lot of little annoyances, like the methods for window management, switching between "Metro" apps, not-so-great email and message apps, the useless Charms bar, and the fact that core apps for basic OS functionality are "Metro" only.
quote: Desktop PCs are on their way out, except for the enthusiast and high-end user market, which is quite small compared to the rest of Windows users.
quote: Be all that as it may be, a closed-off app store integrated directly into the operating system has no place on a quote-unquote "real" computer. I'm sure that Windows 8 is full of little improvements, but when I buy an operating system, it sure as heck shouldn't be telling me that I'm not "allowed" to do something with my computer that it is otherwise perfectly capable of doing. It isn't the place of the OS to do that; the purpose of the OS should be exposing as much functionality as possible, period.
quote: There's a reason I've been running Windows all these years, and NOT buying Mac's. And what you just said is the biggest reason.
quote: I don't know why you were down-ranked, because you absolutely nailed it.
quote: WinRT (read, ARM ONLY) has the closed app store. Windows 8 itself will still allow you to download and install any program you want with no restrictions.
quote: you think this article is "unbiased" only because you agree with it
quote: Because he is 100% wrong. WinRT (read, ARM ONLY) has the closed app store. Windows 8 itself will still allow you to download and install any program you want with no restrictions. Unless you count the "Win8 UI" apps only being allowed through the store as a restriction. But on a desktop you won't be using the Win8 UI anyway, because you'll be doing all of your work in the traditional desktop UI. So quit spreading false info.
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quote: If you're comfortable trusting Microsoft to maintain the openness of a system that they've already halfway closed down, and if you're content to concede a not-insignificant degree of control of your personal computer, be my guest
quote: Apple's iOS ecosystem is totally closed and this is why Apple is making such insane profits out of it.
quote: Of course MS wants to close its ecosystems now, why would ANYONE pass on the chance to make extra XXX billions in profit by closing their ecosystem?
quote: MS goes where consumers want it to go, and consumers HAVE VOTED ALREADY with their wallets FOR CLOSED ecosystems
quote: Last time I checked iOS was only for mobile devices
quote: Microsoft has proven they are utterly clueless how to compete with iOS or Android in the mobile space
quote: So what gives you the idea that bringing that same strategy to the Windows OS, which has remained relatively free of drastic changes and monstrously profitable, is a great idea?
quote: every closed ecosystem for the desktop PC has failed horribly
quote: Apple was the only one who could even make it work, and even that ecosystem never could compete with Windows in profits and market share
quote: Windows 7 was the highest grossing, and fastest selling computer operating system of ALL TIME
quote: An iOS specific thing called Launchpad that's been added to OS X recently has proven you wrong. Give up.
quote: Their new OS, WP8, has merged best traits of iOS (smooth, elegant, consistent and easy to use UI) with best traits of Android (support for a lot of high end third party hardware), this strategy is clueless only for uneducated trolls like you.
quote: Gabe Newell with his Steam is laughing hard at your idiocy.
quote: It's simply a UI tweek
quote: They are NOT the same
quote: because their market share sucks
quote: the context was on OS/Hardware ecosystems
quote: Apple's iOS ecosystem is totally closed and this is why Apple is making such insane profits out of it. MS wants its piece of the pie too, and they have realized that people (not geeks like DT readers but common folk from the street) LOVE closed ecosystems and they PAY a lot of $$$ to the owners of such ecosystems. Of course MS wants to close its ecosystems now, why would ANYONE pass on the chance to make extra XXX billions in profit by closing their ecosystem? MS goes where consumers want it to go, and consumers HAVE VOTED ALREADY with their wallets FOR CLOSED ecosystems, and this is their vote that allowed to Apple to become the biggest computer company on the planet, I mean financially, not unit shipments wise.
quote: So please, don't be a dumb anti-MS troll like Reclaimer, and try to understand that MS is simply FOLLOWING THE MONEY. The moment Apple consumers start to vote with their wallets for open ecosystems similar to Windows Mobile 6.x then MS will quickly revert its policy and will open its OS again. Got it now?
quote: I'm not saying that it's a bad decision for Microsoft, I'm saying it's a blow for freedom in computing, and I won't use Windows 8, and if you care about freedom in computing, you shouldn't either
quote: people should understand the ramifications of what Microsoft is doing here, and they should understand what they're giving up
quote: I don't care about "freedom of computing" as long as I get quality product, quality OS, hardware and software, with pleasant experience and all.
quote: Problem is that this is not just my point of view, this is the point of view of the most profitable segment of market which feeds insane Apple's profits. It's this segment, that does not care about "freedom of computing", that is responsible for the mobile revolution and advent of closed ecosystems.
quote: Problem is that RMS, GNU and Linux guys and the opensource crowd are mostly poor so there's not much to extract from them.
quote: But the Apple users are rich and they blow thousands of dollars on expensive Apple gear. They know that Apple will not let them to have "freedom" but they all value Apple's famous user experience much more than freedom.
quote: This is a normal human reaction, I think.
quote: Only the foot eaters like RMS are wired differently, they would prefer crappy user experience if it comes with _FREEDOM_.
quote: So don't blame me, blame the market.
quote: People don't want freedom, they pay big bucks not for freedom of Linux, or Windows Mobile 6.x, they pay big bucks for great user experience of closed Apple's ecosystems. Trust me on this man: the moment people stop buying Apple gear and start buying Linux and Windows Mobile 6.x kind of stuff with total freedom and such - MS will stop Metro immediately and will roll back to Win 7 model of total freedom. This must be obvious even for you, is it not? Hmm?
quote: there are some real problems here
quote: Because he is 100% wrong. WinRT (read, ARM ONLY) has the closed app store. Windows 8 itself will still allow you to download and install any program you want with no restrictions.
quote: Also, I notice you think this article is "unbiased" only because you agree with it.
quote: The implementation of the "legacy" Desktop and how it conflicts with Metro is also horrible.
quote: stop pretending that Windows 8 still has a viable way to get sh#t done without Metro getting in the way
quote: The mobile segment only continues to grow. MS knows it can't simply charge exorbitant costs for licenses in mobile as it did for desktop, so it seeks to reep profits on the HW side which CLEARLY is a successful approach (see Apple).
quote: there is a reason Apple's mobile devices run iOS, not some bastardized all-in-one version of OSX
quote: iOS and OSX' kernels are for different architectures and are completely different
quote: Pirks, I'm on your side more often than I'm not
quote: This is OSX
quote: Notice all the windows open on my OSX screenshot? Notice how many things you can do at once?
quote: iOS and OSX are two completely different OS's, no matter what you say. Go ahead and prove me wrong
quote: you're still an idiot
quote: I keep trying thinking that I just need to learn how to use it better and to be honest my opinion did improve as I used it more and more but then it reached a point of why? What's the benefit? I feel like I am using a neutered OS.
quote: So many core functions ONLY have Metro apps
quote: Win 8 is by far the biggest DESKTOP upgrade Microsoft have released with a new OS.
quote: This isnt even mentioning the tons of small things i've noticed like how it no longer asks if i'm sure i want to delete something (so annoying)
quote: Windows 8 is flawed conceptually as a desktop OS. It doesn't matter how many "improvements" there are, it lacks the productivity of previous versions and has many conceptual failures. You can put lipstick on the pig, but it's still a pig.
quote: but as a general statement, this simply isn't true
quote: All you had to do was turn off 'file delete confirmation' in the preferences
quote: > Hyper-V virtualization - Infinite backwards compatibility> Easier and faster installation> Faster boot/sleep/wake times> Improved Security with built in Anti-Virus> Improved backup and file recovery> Improved multi-monitor support> Improved printer support> Improved performance> Improved battery life> Lower memory usage than Win 7> Improved Accesserbiltity options (for people with disabilities)> Refresh or Reset your PC - "Refresh" will re-install Win 8 and keep all your settings and files (so it's for those times you've completely FUBAR'd your OS). "Reset" will format the drive and re-install Win 8 as a fresh new copy. The data is thoroughly wiped and random patterns are written to every sector of the drive (For security reasons this is done incase your selling your PC for instance)> Native ISO and VHD support (you can easily mount any ISO or create a Virtual Hard Drive)> Boot process completely overhauled (New proper graphical UI with new features with touch and mouse support for the dual-boot screen, Windows Recovery Environment, Disk Check and so on)> DirectX 11.1, WDDM 1.2, and DXGI 1.2 improvements (as mentioned above)> Improved desktop 2/D and text GPU acceleration> Storage Spaces (i'm upgrading for this alone. Google it)> New task manager> Ribbon added to Windows Explorer and you can pin your most used tasks to the top (so you dont actually have to have the Ribbon open)> Change the OS language - before you could only do this on Win 7 Ultimate. Now you can on any version of Win 8 and theres a new Control Panel option to download and install any language> ReFS (New file system for Win 8 Server)> Windows To Go (boot and run Win 8 form a USB stick - Enterprise version only though)> OS-wide spell checking> New Family Safety features and account features with filtering options, timed usage, app/game restrictions and more> Native USB 3.0 support - 7 and older need 3rd party drivers. MS created a completely new USB stack for USB 3.0, which is meant to be more efficient and insure compatibility> Integrated SkyDrive - the best cloud storage around IMO> 8 Syncs all your user/system settings and IE10 bookmarks across all your PC's
quote: but putting it on my main rig? I'd honestly be afraid to do that
quote: did you figure out how to put shortcuts on desktop?
quote: -Significant multi-monitor improvement
quote: 8 also boots just as fast on my HDD as 7 does on my RAID 0 SSD's, so no it's not b*llocks, but your post is.
quote: 8 has far more desktop improvements than 7 did over Vista, but you all like to ignore this fact.
quote: It's the worst desktop Windows ever because of Metro
quote: That's not possible
quote: the issue all boils down to the User Interface
quote: This interface is absolute bullshit without a touch screen
quote: huge tiles eating gobs of pixels on a non-touch LCD? Idiocy.
quote: Vast majority of people that've touched it don't like it
quote: The UI is so stupid and cumbersome, it takes so many more clicks to do simple stuff