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Nintendo tops both handheld and home gaming market with DS, Wii

The Wii is officially more than just a gaming sensation. Nintendo’s latest console has captured the hearts, minds and dollars of not only gaming fans, but also the elderly, vacationers, the health-conscious and other casual markets.

Despite being released a year later than Microsoft’s current generation console offering, the Nintendo Wii has surpassed the Xbox 360 in total worldwide hardware sales, according to the latest data from VGchartz.com.

By the week ending August 23, VGchartz gathered that Nintendo had sold 10.57 million Wii consoles over lifetime, while Microsoft sold 10.51 million Xbox 360 consoles. In order to eclipse the Xbox 360 in less than a year since release, the Wii had outsold Microsoft’s game system by a margin of 2.3-to-1 worldwide.

A key factor in Wii’s quick pace in catching the Xbox 360 the acceptance of Nintendo’s console in Japan. The Wii sold 3.46 million units in Japan, while the Xbox 360 sold only 0.43 million in the same region.

While typical sales numbers from the game companies relate to shipments to retailers rather than sold-to-consumers, VGchartz claims that it tracks its data based on actual consumer sell-through figures.

The popularity of the Wii, along with the DS handheld, have helped Nintendo rocket past its competitors. The Wii was outselling the PS3 by a margin of 6-to-1 in June, helping Nintendo overtake Sony in market value. In fact, Nintendo’s recent success has put it ahead of both NTT and Honda, making it the fifth largest company in Japan.





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Games?
By randomname on 8/23/2007 11:25:24 AM , Rating: 5
I can understand Wii from a party/casual point of view, but how long can the sales numbers grow and how actively will people play, if they don't release more good games? On metacritic, Xbox 360 has 22 games at 85 points or over, PS3 has 5, and Wii has 3. You could choose any threshold high enough to get similar numbers. There are only 7 Wii games above 80 points, while the PS3 has 19, and the X360 has 61. Over 90: X360, 8; PS3, 1; Wii, 2.

(Three of the 22 X360 games are Arcade games, but one could still compare them to some of the casual Wii games. Even after you remove sequels, the difference is considerable.)




RE: Games?
By Murst on 8/23/2007 11:44:19 AM , Rating: 5
quote:
but how long can the sales numbers grow and how actively will people play, if they don't release more good games?


Ok... so, if the Wii could sell over 10 million consoles in less than 1 year without good games... just imagine what will happen when:

1. The big nintendo games are released - Metroid in 1 week, Mario Galaxy and Super Smash Bros around december, and mario kart next year.

2. Third party developers catch up to making games on the Wii. It seems the success of the Wii has caught everyone off guard. Now that it has proven a huge success, more and more developers will create games for the Wii... its already happening, and I'm guessing that in a year, the Wii will have more new games coming out for it than any other console.

3. Third party developers switch focus to the Wii. This should greatly improve the quality of games on the system. Just like EA spent the most time making Madden for the 360 work the best, they'll do that next year for the Wii if it continues outselling the 360.


RE: Games?
By npoe1 on 8/23/2007 12:50:15 PM , Rating: 2
I have a Wii and so far I haven’t used it, I thought that it was going to be fun to play, but not. I’m only waiting for Smash Bros. That was the only thing that made have a Game Cube.

On Xbox 360, I only play Forza 2 nothing else, but I’m waiting Fable 2 (maybe I will get the PC version, again). The PS3 is out of my plans until it drops its price to $350 or it starts to get good RPGs like Dragon Quest or one at the level of Xenogears from PS1.

I hope that good games start coming out of nowhere for all consoles, especially RPGs.


RE: Games?
By darkpaw on 8/23/2007 1:38:43 PM , Rating: 2
I'm pretty much in the same boat. Bought one, beat Zelda and haven't touched it all that much sense. Smash Bros I'll play for a few years though so more then making the system worth buying and Mario cart as well when that comes out. I don't think there is all that much of interest for the Wii though. Anything that comes out crossconsole, I'll buy the version that looks better since they all pretty much play the same.


RE: Games?
By kristof007 on 8/23/2007 2:47:07 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
3. Third party developers switch focus to the Wii. This should greatly improve the quality of games on the system. Just like EA spent the most time making Madden for the 360 work the best, they'll do that next year for the Wii if it continues outselling the 360.


I think the reason for that was that the 360 architecture was easier to program for because Microsoft got out their SDK sooner to developers than the PS3 did. At least that's what I got out of the article.


RE: Games?
By InsaneScientist on 8/24/2007 3:11:21 AM , Rating: 3
quote:
I think the reason for that was that the 360 architecture was easier to program for because Microsoft got out their SDK sooner to developers than the PS3 did. At least that's what I got out of the article.


Not really.

The Cell processor is an absolute nightmare to write code for (in very large part because the 7 SPEs do not have the full capabilities that the mother core does, so you can't simply let tasks fall to whatever core they get assigned to, you have to manually program that).
The cell processor was specifically designed for the maximum possible computational efficiency, sacrificing the ability to use simple program code (by design!).

This is not to say that their decision was wrong. On the contrary, there are certain sectors where you need the maximum amount of computing power that technology is capable of delivering and it does not matter how long the programming takes, because any time lost on programming will be made up for by the additional speed that the architechure allows for or by the money, space, energy, and/or management time saved by using a fewer number of more powerful systems.
Obviously this primarily applies to massive computational workloads. (i.e. Scientific calculations and modeling, MMORPG servers, etc...)

It remains to be seen (mainly by the PS3's sucess or lack thereof) whether one of those fields is gaming.

I personally don't think it will be, but I could be wrong (and don't really care if I am).

Don't get me wrong... the Cell is an amazing processor, but the benefits of it's power must outweigh the pain of coding for the thing for the PS3 to succeed.


RE: Games?
By randomname on 8/24/2007 6:09:54 AM , Rating: 3
"The cell processor was specifically designed for the maximum possible computational efficiency, sacrificing the ability to use simple program code (by design!)."

I would say that the Cell was designed for maximal (parallel) floating point power, which is very good for scientific computation, or streaming media. However, for game code (excluding graphics and physics) which requires more integer power and serial processing performance, it is probably more of a miss. The reasons for this are mostly related to the original vision for the Cell. Originally it was supposed to handle the graphics on the PS3, after which Sony/Toshiba tried to develop their own GPU, and finally Sony brought in NVidia. (Of course, you will not get such an official account of the history of Cell/PS3 from Sony/Toshiba/IBM.)

From Dean Takahashi's ebook 'The Xbox 360 Uncloaked':
"But no one knew that inside Sony, something was going terribly wrong. Sony had created a new game system, dubbed GS Cube, with 16 Emotion Engine chips. It proved to be a technological dead end. In parallel, IBM fellow Jim Kahle had proposed Cell, a radically different computing architecture. Instead of a microprocessor and a graphics chip, the system for the PlayStation 3 was originally supposed to have two Cell microprocessors. One would handle the system while the second one would handle graphics. The game developers couldn’t make heads or tails of this non-traditional architecture. Sony scrapped that plan. Then it commissioned both Sony’s and Toshiba’s chip designers to create their own graphics chip. The graphics chip was going to be a screaming monster that relied totally on one kind of processing, dubbed fill rate, to handle the graphics. That was what Sony and Toshiba’s engineers knew how to create, based on their work on the PlayStation 2. But in the meantime, both ATI and Nvidia had pioneered the use of shaders, which were subprograms that added the nuance and texture to the surface of an object. This technique simplified the process of creating art for games. To create a new effect, the developer had to simply create a new shader. The Sony and Toshiba team were far behind on shader technology. Game developers once again objected to the solution that they were proposing. Sony had to cancel the graphics chip altogether. The console just wasn’t going to launch in 2005."


RE: Games?
By encryptkeeper on 8/24/2007 1:32:09 PM , Rating: 2
In parallel, IBM fellow Jim Kahle had proposed Cell, a radically different computing architecture. Instead of a microprocessor and a graphics chip, the system for the PlayStation 3 was originally supposed to have two Cell microprocessors. One would handle the system while the second one would handle graphics.

I can definitely see the idea behind this from a business standpoint. Creating twice as many Cell procs would cost probably the same in materials, but you would save money in the long run because you wouldn't have one facility that was creating Cell processors and one that was making graphics chips. That's why Intel fabs are so efficient, all the cores are the same except the quads. Some pass high stress tests and become core 2 duos, and some pass only low tests and become Celerons.


RE: Games?
By Dakuma on 8/28/2007 10:29:19 PM , Rating: 2
" Metroid in 1 week, Mario Galaxy and Super Smash Bros around december, and mario kart next year."

Hmm a bunch of kids games are what this console needs? How about Bioshock - Fable 2 - COD4 and Halo 3?


RE: Games?
By ZavyZavy on 8/30/2007 3:32:09 AM , Rating: 2
Are you insinuating that because Nintendo has chosen to make its first party games accessible to all age groups that the games are poor quality?

Are you saying that if games do not have a certain amount of adult oriented content, they won’t sell well?

Are you suggesting that Mario and Samus, both of whom appear in the games mentioned are not valuable enough intellectual properties to be on the Wii, and if Nintendo continues to use them the consoled is destined to failure?

What are you saying exactly with your statement?


RE: Games?
By psyph3r on 8/30/2007 8:13:31 PM , Rating: 2
WHOA!, kids games? I love those games..any real gamer that has been around for more than 13 years appreciates and idolizes Nintendo's flagship games...They are fun, and they are original! a person who is mature does not need blood to be entertained. The games you are mentioning should played on a PC anyways(which is where i play fps ADULT games with a mouse, I also look forward to ones you mentioned).


RE: Games?
By ndessell on 8/23/2007 12:21:50 PM , Rating: 3
While your number say a lot about, the level of (overall) game quality. There are so many factors that have to come into play: time, budget, talent, experience , x. Right now 360 development has them all Locked in, but hopefully Wii and that other thing will get into a grove.


RE: Games?
By Hawkido on 8/23/2007 1:12:39 PM , Rating: 2
Yes, but those reviews are done by gamers... The Wii has appeal to those outside the Gaming community (as mentioned in the article). Thus their vote on the Wii games will never be counted, scewing the ratings value for Wii games out of proportion.


RE: Games?
By afkrotch on 8/23/07, Rating: 0
RE: Games?
By Hawkido on 8/27/2007 2:59:04 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
Buying the Wii and only having Wii Sports won't help Nintendo


Err, Yeah it will... Each and Every Wii Sold, is sold at a profit... It is the only current gen Console sold at a profit... (the PS2 is sold at a profit now as well, but it is last gen)

So if you buy a Wii and play Wii Sports all day and nothing else... yeah you pay Nintendo $25 for that priviledge. Bottom line it helps Nintendo.

Plus those who play Wii sports also buy (most usually) Wii Play as it is similar.


RE: Games?
By Locutus465 on 8/23/2007 3:45:10 PM , Rating: 2
Wii is at the right price point, with a more interesting control system. I'm also fairly sure that Nintendo is in a very good position to keep up the price pressure if they feel they need to (from what I understand they actually make money on the wii as it is). Wii also has better games for social gatherings which is fairly important.

At the very least Microsoft has seen which way the wind is blowing and is already back tracking on the "badass" console marketing campaign and going more family friendly and offering better value (i.e. X-Box arcade if it sees the light of day will help tremendously).


RE: Games?
By stryfe on 8/23/2007 4:52:44 PM , Rating: 2
What are these points you're talking about?
They're quite meaningless without knowing where they come from. For all we know you're just making them up.


RE: Games?
By Keeir on 8/23/2007 5:58:16 PM , Rating: 3
He's refering to the Metacritic site (search google) that gets scores from a variety of game review sites (Gamespy, IGN, etc etc)

You are still left with the problem that you have game snobs reviewing games. For example, take BioShock. Its "Meta" Score on Metacritic is like 97/100. Essentially it almost a perfect game. Users only give it a 91/100. This is actually a fairly usually trend with the Game Critics giving XBox360 games a higher rating than 100+ users. In constrast, the Wii games are almost always the reverse. Users rating higher than critics. That would indicate to me that Wii games are less technically executed but might be more fun to play. Given that the Wii does have the graphically horsepower of the Xbox360, I think Wii games will start with a 5-10 hit in comparison to the same game on a Xbox360.

Anyway, I will grant that the XBox360 has more "Pretty Good Games" but for a system that's been out for almost 2 years, Bioshock is the first "great game" that actually tempts me to buy the system.


RE: Games?
By FITCamaro on 8/23/2007 7:28:29 PM , Rating: 2
I've got nothing against the Wii but it does not have the graphical horsepower of the 360.

And while BioShock might be the only game that makes you want to buy the system, that does not mean its the only great game on the console in 2 years.


RE: Games?
By DingieM on 8/24/2007 4:15:28 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
Given that the Wii does have the graphically horsepower of the Xbox360


Wake up Keeir, can't believe you got this one so wrong.
Wishfull thinking maybe???

Thank you for the FUD!!


RE: Games?
By psychobriggsy on 8/24/2007 8:02:17 AM , Rating: 3
"Given that the Wii does have the graphically horsepower of the Xbox360, I think Wii games will start with a 5-10 hit in comparison to the same game on a Xbox360."

When taken in context, it is clearly a typo.

Of course some people can't think beyond their fanboi extremism and actually realise this, rushing in to accuse a poster of FUD. I think it shows a lack of reading comprehension skills and poor education.


RE: Games?
By encryptkeeper on 8/24/2007 12:51:25 PM , Rating: 2
On metacritic, Xbox 360 has 22 games at 85 points or over, PS3 has 5, and Wii has 3.

Not exactly a valid comparison. PS3 and Wii have been out for less than a year, and the 360 has had an entire year head start. The Wii may only have 3 games on the 85% or higher (and there will be one more when MP3 comes out next week, plus several before the end of the year) but lower prices of the console, the games, and the innovative controller make the other games that come in below 85% or even WAY below 85% seem more enjoyable. If I have to pay twice the amount to play one game (or to purchase anything) that I can get for half that at 70-75% rating, I'm going to SERIOUSLY consider getting the cheaper product. Wii sports was free, so it just had to be marginally fun for people to play the hell out of it. But now, the Wii is seen as the cool thing to get, so as long as they provide a steady flow of good games, even if there aren't too many incredible ones, they can maintain a lead for a while.

Besides, you have to give them some recognition. They beat the 360 in sales in less than HALF the time the 360 has been on the market? They're doing something right.

Unfortunately for Sony, they've just lost too much headway to two other extremely good competitors with extremely good business plans and product lines. The price drop won't last forever, once the 60 gigs are gone the price will be 600 again, and with the price drop from MS they're in serious trouble. So, if it comes down to 360 vs Wii...looks like it would be Wii thanks to the huge boost from the Japanese market. Blue Dragon is probably going to be the last major push to get into Japan, and it looks like that one's not really generating the interest they needed for the Japanese market.


RE: Games?
By Shadowmaster625 on 8/24/2007 2:52:17 PM , Rating: 2
Xbox 360 dont have no 22 games worth speaking of. There's maybe 3 or 4 that I wanna play.


WOW
By mankopi on 8/23/2007 9:15:29 AM , Rating: 2
I'm just wondering, who the @#$% are buying all those Wiis? Second, what the attachment rate of Wii console to game sales? This is no bashing but an honest question




RE: WOW
By superzor on 8/23/2007 9:43:01 AM , Rating: 3
I bought my console as launch and I'm enjoying very much. I mostly skipped the previous gen, so the ports the Wii has been getting have been great. Resident Evil Wii and The godfather are just a few of the good ports. Add in Zelda, Madden, Warioware, Wii Degree, Wii sports, Paper Mario and its kept me busy till next week when metriod 3 comes out. I've also rented a few games including monkey ball, sonic and the bigs which weren't the best games, but kept me busy for 3-4 days.

The great thing about this system is that you can take it out during a party or bar-b-q and almost anyone there can play. That leads to guest that are playing at your house to want to get their own because they had fun playing it.


RE: WOW
By DirthNader on 8/23/2007 10:17:36 AM , Rating: 5
The thing sells itself. We've had couple friends visiting who played ours and bought one when for themselves at the first chance.

What's funny is the most common complaint I hear from the more "casual" users is actually lack of online play. I swapped codes with a friend and his first question was "now we can bowl against each other online, right?" After telling him no his response was "what's the point then?"


RE: WOW
By ted61 on 8/23/2007 10:21:36 AM , Rating: 5
People like me buy the Wii. Note the 61 in my name, people my age don't want to spend two days trying to figure out the six buttons you need to push to chop someone on the head. We want to point and shoot. graphics are nice but game play is better.


RE: WOW
By Locutus465 on 8/23/2007 3:49:04 PM , Rating: 2
Have you tried buying a Wii your self? Ever notice how there are plenty of stores that advertise that they sell the Wii yet for some reason they never seem to have any? A friend recently told me that she saw ads at sams club for Wii's at a $220 price point, with no Wii's to be found in the entire store.

The only reason why I have one is I happend to stay in town for Memorial Day weekend, and Target just happend to do stock that weekend... Lots of Wii's and no one in town to buy them, it was a beatiful thing.


The sound Sony/MS heard when Nintendo passed by....
By oTAL on 8/23/2007 9:45:39 AM , Rating: 4
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
=P

I know it's silly, but when I read this news I immediatly got this image in my head of wii overtaking MS and Sony on the highway... and guess what it sounded like?




By Etsp on 8/23/2007 3:10:16 PM , Rating: 4
no, due to the Doppler effect it would sound more like "wiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeuuuu" =P


good news
By Zensen on 8/23/2007 8:48:58 AM , Rating: 4
Good news for Nintendo for making something thats a lot more affordable and fun for those looking for a console. Always loved the nintendo being one who use to have a nintendo and a snes as a kid. Though i dont have either the DS or Wii - I have definitely one who has enjoyed what has come out of this company as of late. Mate has one and have had a go of it a few times and its been a bit of fun playing along side a mate.




NexGenWars Hoax
By hokiehi on 8/23/2007 9:44:56 AM , Rating: 3
I think we should not blindly trust anything from NexGenWars

http://www.n4g.com/News-33971.aspx

I'd stick with VGChartz...just my 2 cents.




RE: NexGenWars Hoax
By psychobriggsy on 8/23/2007 11:28:41 AM , Rating: 1
A whole video that misses the point, that the sales figures are being interpolated between past known figures and future "educated guess" figures so that when you view the site, you're not viewing 4 week old sales data, but something that is a little more up to date.

I mean, the entire fact that the website updates itself is a huge clue that the figures are just being interpolated because there is simply no way that real sales figures would be coming in that regularly. I thought it would be done on the client side within the javascript rather than querying the server, but I didn't need to view the code, and make a long annoying video when an article would have sufficed to verify this. I think someone is just jealous.


Why?
By nowayout99 on 8/23/2007 1:26:34 PM , Rating: 2
Why the hell would VGChartz be trusted for this info?

They're hardly credible.

The Wii takeover from 360 will happen, but wait for something credible. Not VGChartz of all friggin' places.




RE: Why?
By Verran on 8/23/2007 1:57:37 PM , Rating: 2
Who really cares? All these fanboys are showing their colors as they argue the small stuff. As if it isn't blatantly obvious that Wii will surpass 360, and soon.

Arguing the minor points just shows your desire to ignore the obvious.


Nintendo
By ksherman on 8/23/2007 8:48:31 AM , Rating: 2
Sure has seen some incredible success from the Wii and the DS. Kudos guys, you did a phenomenal job! Now its time to start bringing higher quality graphics to your consoles. NOTE: I am not saying they need to make one to compete with the XB360 or the PS3, just that their games could benefit from some SERIOUS anti-aliasing, plus a better hi-def output. Still, what it comes down to is the games are a blast! Super Paper Mario is a nice break from the 3D Marios of late.

Keep up the good work Nintendo! Next up, Nintendo takes over the world!




that was fast
By Gul Westfale on 8/23/2007 8:52:52 AM , Rating: 2
if true, then nintendo caught up with the 360 pretty quickly there. on th eother hand, how seriously one can take news from a company that spells its name "chart z " remains to be seen.




*whistles*
By encryptkeeper2 on 8/23/2007 10:27:05 AM , Rating: 2
Here flamer flamer flamer...




trend to continue
By jeromekwok on 8/23/2007 9:28:39 PM , Rating: 2
We can see Nintendo is still struggling to make enough Wii's to meet the increasing demand. So the sales of Wii should do well thru 2008.




People forget
By Jypster on 8/23/2007 11:19:07 PM , Rating: 2
Wii is backwards compatible with the old GameCube. There are a few good games for this system. I personally have only 3 Wii games but since buying the unit 3 months ago I have now 9 GC games (brought new)

Another thing us old console players like is the ability to download old Megadrive, Super NES and N64 games plus others. Think I have around 25 downloaded games now which is great as my old consoles died a long time ago. Myself and my kids get great enjoyment out of these.

If only they could release Rygar for it and enable the Wii remotes that would be great!

Cheers
Jyp




Wii Availability
By gtyler7292 on 8/24/2007 7:36:49 PM , Rating: 2
Apparently, you can't actually even buy a Wii right now... Gamestop has them on pre-order, and only in bundles. The last time I walked into Best Buy, about a week ago, the walls were FULL of PS3's and Xbox360s, but there were absolutely no Wii's at all. This was even the case in Best Buy only a month after the Wii and PS3 came out. And considering that Nintendo shipped almost twice as many Wii's out as Sony did PS3's when the systems launched, this shows the selling power of the Wii. Bottom line, the Wii is cheaper and while the games may not impress "hardcore" gamers, for the average consumer, they make gaming easy and fun, and in my opinion, the average Wii is considerably more fun than the average PS3 or Xbox360 game.




Nintendo Next-Gen
By Razgriz20 on 8/23/07, Rating: -1
RE: Nintendo Next-Gen
By ndessell on 8/23/2007 11:35:26 AM , Rating: 3
Come off you "nex-gen" horse. "Nex-gen" its a buzz word, they use to justify being at the razors edge of current technology.
Honestly, developing new ideas control systems and consumer appeal are just as important as pushing hardware specs to the max.

And for your Wii being boring, its called re-play value; Most games don't have any, move on beat the next one


Not to be trusted :!
By tuteja1986 on 8/23/07, Rating: -1
RE: Not to be trusted :!
By DingieM on 8/23/2007 8:52:33 AM , Rating: 5
This news is also on a Dutch news site and, according to them, VGchart only accounts for large distributors, so all in all its an incomplete picture.

However, I think everybody was expecting this. And if its not entirely true, it will be very shortly.

But, what's the big deal?


RE: Not to be trusted :!
By tuteja1986 on 8/23/07, Rating: -1
RE: Not to be trusted :!
By othercents on 8/23/2007 6:06:38 PM , Rating: 3
Actually it is a well known fact that Microsoft forced retailers to buy excess stock of 360s so that Microsoft could hit the 10 million mark by the end of the year. This does not mean that those 360s actually ended up in consumers hands. Plus if you look at the number of people who had to purchase two 360s because the first one broke then should you count all of those?

In reality it is very hard to know how many where actually sold to consumers, but as long as the person doing the counting is using the same count for each console then overall it is correct give or take 1000 units. If Wii has not already overtaken the 360, it will shortly. It is possible that this time next year the Wii would have sold double what the 360 has.

Other


RE: Not to be trusted :!
By Lonyo on 8/23/2007 8:53:49 AM , Rating: 4
quote:
While typical sales numbers from the game companies relate to shipments to retailers rather than sold-to-consumers, VGchartz claims that it tracks its data based on actual consumer sell-through figures.

Learn to read.


RE: Not to be trusted :!
By grenableu on 8/23/2007 9:54:32 AM , Rating: 1
And how in the world do they get "actual consumer sell-through figures"?


RE: Not to be trusted :!
By Keeir on 8/23/2007 6:05:51 PM , Rating: 2
I believe if you read thier site, you will find out

I paraphrase but in the same way any company/government gets data. Its asks a relatively small and constant sample selection and then extrapolates


RE: Not to be trusted :!
By mjcutri on 8/23/2007 9:10:59 AM , Rating: 2
"While typical sales numbers from the game companies relate to shipments to retailers rather than sold-to-consumers, VGchartz claims that it tracks its data based on actual consumer sell-through figures."

Microsoft may have shipped over 11 million, but VGchartz says they haven't sold over 11 million. There is a difference between shipped and sold. I bet there are a lot of 360s sitting on the shelves in Japan...


RE: Not to be trusted :!
By Murst on 8/23/2007 11:29:54 AM , Rating: 3
From what I've read, its very hard to find a 360 in japan. Most stores just do not carry them.


RE: Not to be trusted :!
By mdogs444 on 8/23/2007 9:12:07 AM , Rating: 2
Personally i dont really think it matters whether the numbers are based on shipments to retailers, or actually consumer purchases. I love the gaming on the 360, but the Wii is a selling force and has grown exponentially so its gains will take over the MS console. However, that is still not a basis to prove or disprove that the Wii, 360, or PS3 is the best console. They have different prices, different games, and different high/low selling points. I think all 3 are nice consoles, and its good to see the the low guy winning, and bringing the more expensive consoles down in price.


RE: Not to be trusted :!
By Spivonious on 8/23/2007 9:29:43 AM , Rating: 2
+1

I hope the good sales see the Wii gaining more support in the software market. Mario 23 and Zelda 15 can only last for so long.


RE: Not to be trusted :!
By Drexial on 8/23/2007 9:51:03 AM , Rating: 2
+1 to that statment. though i think zelda can go a long way, mario died off already on the n64.


RE: Not to be trusted :!
By ndessell on 8/23/2007 12:41:01 PM , Rating: 2
What sort of sense does that make; Mario is Nintendo's mascot. Nintendo bleeds Mario and Luigi themed blood. You can say he's over use. You can say he's a stupid idea. you can say a lot of thing good or bad but in the end Mario Mario, and to a less degree Luigi Mario, is a staple of the Nintendo experience.
And in 50 years my children's children will still be playing, as the best thing from Italy since Italy.


RE: Not to be trusted :!
By siberus on 8/23/2007 3:41:02 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
the best thing from Italy since Italy.


xD that made me laugh.


RE: Not to be trusted :!
By djc208 on 8/23/07, Rating: -1
RE: Not to be trusted :!
By mdogs444 on 8/23/2007 10:20:36 AM , Rating: 5
I think you are making a basis of a "gamer" on what you consider to be a "gamer".

Games are in fact something that played for fun, whether it be for educational or entertainment purposes. Your statement is very biased - because not everyone that buys the 360 or a PS3 is a "hardcore gamer". Both systems make games that are not "hardcore gamer" games. And the Wii does/will also have games that are played across on other platforms.

Besides that the PS3 is also used for BD, and the 360 has the opportunity to be used for HD, does not make the Wii any less of a system - created during the same generation as the PS3 and 360 - used for entertainment and playing video games.


RE: Not to be trusted :!
By Spivonious on 8/23/2007 2:49:50 PM , Rating: 3
How do you walk with such large balls oh owner of a game system?? I guess my appliance won't get me any girls :(


RE: Not to be trusted :!
By glenn8 on 8/23/2007 10:33:11 AM , Rating: 1
Regardless if the numbers are accurately or not, it's still quite a feat that Nintendo is even close to the XBox 360's number in such a short time.


RE: Not to be trusted :!
By OddTSi on 8/23/2007 1:29:32 PM , Rating: 1
Exactly, why DailyTech would post numbers from VGChartz (which is known to be HIGHLY anti-MS) as news is unbelievable. I would expect something like this from the Digg community but not from DailyTech. You guys just lost a bit of credibility with this.


By seamonkey79 on 8/23/2007 9:27:36 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
I bought mine a few months ago, and all it does now is collect dust. I tried at least 20 different games, but Mario Strikers was the only one I found fun, and that was only for about 2 days.


Since Nintendo is making money on each one, it's not as big a deal for them that people buy as many games, so even if only 1/3 of the people who buy a Wii buy any games for it, they still make money.

Personally, the only game I want on the 360 is Guitar Hero and the like, so I'd buy a 360 and Microsoft would lose money on me, at least until Guitar Hero 4 was out, then they may have made some on the licensing :-)


By omnicronx on 8/23/2007 9:43:53 AM , Rating: 3
Why don't you just buy a guitar, save yourself and Microsoft the trouble..


By glenn8 on 8/23/2007 10:31:49 AM , Rating: 2
Come on now... does a guitar keep track of your score? Can someone master a guitar enough to play all kinds of songs within a year? Can you easily compete with a group of friends with a real guitar? I even heard of frequent guitar players playing this game.


By omnicronx on 8/23/2007 1:46:49 PM , Rating: 2
I understand what it does ;) i just find it funny that people want to play something that anyone can do in real life (unless you don't have fingers of course). Last time i checked i cant dunk a basketball, or dangle around an nhl defenseman and score, but i can play guitar, and very well at that ;)


By danrien on 8/23/2007 3:40:47 PM , Rating: 2
well, in comparison, some people can dunk a basketball or dangle around an nhl defenseman and score, but on the other hand can't play guitar worth a damn.


By glenn8 on 8/23/2007 10:29:34 AM , Rating: 2
quote:
..., so I'd buy a 360 and Microsoft would lose money on me...


That's a common misconception. Microsoft isn't going to change their production rate based on one sale. So if you didn't buy the 360, MS would lose the entire cost of production. But if you do buy one, then MS loses price the store paid minus production cost. So in the end, you help MS lose less money by buying one.


By stryfe on 8/23/2007 5:53:42 PM , Rating: 2
But if MS hadn't built it then they wouldn't lose any money at all!


By fk49 on 8/23/2007 12:14:18 PM , Rating: 2
Guitar Hero III is coming to the Wii as well, and, from the obvious mainstream acceptance of the Wii by the public, developers will catch on as well. I would say that we can expect a Guitar Hero IV and many more quality 3rd party games to be released on the Wii if it remains the leader in market share.


By wallijonn on 8/23/2007 3:45:17 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
even if only 1/3 of the people who buy a Wii buy any games for it, they still make money.


Uh, that's the thing... Since the Wii only plays games, 99% of people who buy a Wii will buy a game for it (instead of just playing the supplied demo games.) Nintendo is making money on it, period. Even if no one ever buys another game for the Wii, they are still making profit.

Personally, I don't like the idea of the Wii having the ability to play DVDs because then I'll have to hear "you" saying that that it is good for, that it is an expensive DVD player since there are no good games for it.

Now, let's hope the next Zelda will be out for Thanksgiving holiday. It should be superior to the last version which was strictly based upon GC code.


By Spivonious on 8/23/2007 9:28:23 AM , Rating: 2
Different strokes for different folks. I've had my Wii since March and it sees almost daily action, usually with Wii Sports.


By stebog on 8/23/2007 9:29:46 AM , Rating: 3
My launch Wii hasn't been turned on since March. My step sons played the crap out of Wii Sports but are back to marathon gaming sessions on the 360. The only reason I haven't sold it is because there will be a Mario Kart someday.


By Razgriz20 on 8/23/2007 10:54:55 AM , Rating: 4
As they say, different strokes for different folks. The fact that many are buying it only proves that many are enjoying it. It doesn't really matter how long they are playing it. It's a party console. I'm pretty sure the Wii would be very useful for parties even if the owner gets tired of playing it.


By psychobriggsy on 8/23/2007 11:21:09 AM , Rating: 2
I bought mine in March, and it does go unused for periods of time, but I still play Wii Sports a lot (both at home and at friends'). Rayman I played a lot, but not nearly enough. Wii Play is gathering dust, understandably. Zelda ... really should pick that up again. Usually the issues come down to a lack of time rather than a lack of desire to play sadly.


Other sources
By webdawg77 on 8/23/07, Rating: -1
RE: Other sources
By mjcutri on 8/23/2007 9:12:53 AM , Rating: 2
From the http://www.nexgenwars.com/ site,
"Remember, these numbers are only estimates ,"


RE: Other sources
By webdawg77 on 8/23/2007 9:18:13 AM , Rating: 2
If you're going to quote, quote it in full context instead of just picking out what you want, huh?

quote:
The next generation of gaming is upon us, and the console wars have begun. NexGen Wars.com has spent countless hours researching sales facts from dozens of sources to track the worldwide sales of the consoles and monitor the next generation of console wars between the Microsoft Xbox 360, the Sony Playstation 3, and the Nintendo Wii. Remember, these numbers are only estimates, but they are constantly monitored and updated to assure the closest estimates possible for the Xbox 360, Playstation 3, and Wii.


RE: Other sources
By davince on 8/23/2007 9:27:12 AM , Rating: 2
Be complete...this is also in the same sentence you're quoting:

, but they are constantly monitored and updated to assure the closest estimates possible for the Xbox 360, Playstation 3, and Wii.

Of course no one knows the exact figures for sure, but believing the sale numbers from the manufacturer are probably the wordt to consider.


RE: Other sources
By killerroach on 8/23/2007 9:44:33 AM , Rating: 1
All these numbers are nothing more than estimates. I've heard estimates on the 360 between 10-13 million units sold, the Wii in the 9-12 million range, and the PS3 between 3.5-6.5 million (I'm thinking it was NPD that recently pegged the PS3's sales figures at passing 6 million).

What does that mean? Unless one is clairvoyant, we don't know the real numbers for sure. My best guess is, however, that the Wii hasn't yet eclipsed the 360... emphasis on "yet".


RE: Other sources
By encryptkeeper on 8/23/2007 10:57:22 AM , Rating: 2
Chances are these numbers are pretty accurate from VGCharts...

To Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo every console that made it to retailers is “sold”. In reality these consoles may be lying in retailer warehouses and outlets for weeks until they are sold to consumers.

Wiis don't sit around more than 1-2 days no matter where you go. There have even been rumors that Microsoft counts new consoles sent as replacements for defectives as "sold", like Sony with PS2 replacements.


RE: Other sources
By killerroach on 8/23/2007 11:02:21 AM , Rating: 2
If that's the case on Microsoft's 360 numbers, that would explain how they said that they easily passed 10 million by the end of last year... I think MS' own numbers were that they got almost 12 million by the end of 2006. If the real numbers are these 11 million, I'm officially scared of that defect rate :)


RE: Other sources
By encryptkeeper on 8/29/2007 5:52:51 PM , Rating: 2
If that's the case on Microsoft's 360 numbers, that would explain how they said that they easily passed 10 million by the end of last year

Huh? You're saying the 360 sold 490,000 units in a year? Check your post dude.


RE: Other sources
By HardwareD00d on 8/23/2007 12:09:09 PM , Rating: 2
When you add up all the refurbished/replaced XBOX360's, that 10 million number nearly doubles !!! :P


RE: Other sources
By webdawg77 on 8/23/2007 1:24:17 PM , Rating: 1
Another source with numbers as late as August 10th.

quote:
The Wii has sold up to date 10.10 million consoles , the Xbox 360 has only sold 10.32 million consoles and the PS3 has sold only 4.11 million consoles .


quote:
Between the Week of July 30 and Aug. 5 the Wii only sold 60,000+ game consoles a huge decrease from the 77,000+ consoles that they sold to the week prior.


http://www.console-central.com/index.php?option=co...

Just saying, that's 200,000 unit lead at the beginning of August. The Wii will pass the Xbox360, but saying it already has is just speculation.


RE: Other sources
By wallijonn on 8/23/2007 3:58:16 PM , Rating: 2
quote:
quote:
Between the Week of July 30 and Aug. 5 the Wii only sold 60,000+ game consoles a huge decrease from the 77,000+ consoles that they sold to the week prior.


I would expect all three console numbers to decrease due to the kids being out of school and the grand parents taking them to theme parks and the parents paying for back to school supplies.

The numbers will probably start to spike next Holiday Season. MS should make the basic XBox360 with built in memory and built in wireless controller & internet for the same price as the Wii.


RE: Other sources
By mdogs444 on 8/23/2007 4:05:47 PM , Rating: 2
That would be nice, but in all comparisons, the Wii is more parallel with the core system. Neither has a hard drive, basic cables, - just a basic system.

Even with the Wii, its the accessories that are expensive - cables, controllers - same as the 360. Only thing i dont know about the Wii is its abilities to save games. DOes it have a built HD of sorts or does it use some kind of memory cards?


RE: Other sources
By webdawg77 on 8/23/2007 4:12:57 PM , Rating: 2
It has 512MB built in flash memory for saving.


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