Sources: Reuters, Guardian
quote: Please, don't pretend to be so indignant. Not sure if you're aware of this, but your statements and attitude on this translate into: "So what? We can spy on them with impunity, what are they gonna do about it? They need our trade more than we need them, so fuc* em" Combine that with your absurd statements on the NSA stories, being pro spying in general, and your pro-Obama big government slant, and that's how "I get" what I'm getting here. Am I wrong? No, you know I'm dead right about you. You can deflect it all you want with false claims that I'm "bashing" Obama (he IS President during all this, correct?), but you're really just butthurt as usual.
quote: No dumbo, I'm saying the EU is trying to use use 20% of its economy to threaten an issue over spying. It's clear that it's a hollow threat because nobody in their right mind would piss away 20% of their economy because they are upset another is spying on them, something the EU does themselves.
quote: The EU have been trying to overtake the US in both economic and political power its existence.
quote: Anyway , curious how americans in general look to all this.
quote: Some politicians are calling him a traitor! Really? He disclosed classified info.
quote: He's also taken a world tour of pretty much every Communist country.
quote: He could have handed over that thumb-drive to a US Representative and made his case, and he wouldn't have violated his oath in doing so.
quote: Those reps are bound by the same oath he was
quote: Uhhh Congress and NSA employees have different oaths, technically speaking.
quote: We believe most Americans would be stunned to learn the details of how these secret court opinions have interpreted section 215 of the Patriot Act. As we see it, there is now a significant gap between what most Americans think the law allows and what the government secretly claims the law allows. This is a problem, because it is impossible to have an informed public debate about what the law should say when the public doesn't know what its government thinks the law says.
quote: He hasn't told any direct government anything.
quote: You know damn well any US paper or politician would be labeled a traitor and destroyed.
quote: Sounds familiar? It should. It's the first result when you google search "Facism".
quote: Actually no he disclosed classified info to news papers. Which he's working with in conjunction to make sure no *specific* americans are getting hurt, just the system in general. He hasn't told any direct government anything.
quote: If he wanted money, he wouldn't have quit his job and gave up his life.
quote: he could have just sold the information to China and be living like a king right now in China. Also explain why he just retracted his asylum request for Russia just because Putin said the condition for him to stay is not to leak any more information
quote: Whatever info he got is the only thing keeping him alive.
quote: There are ways of exposing wrongdoing without breaking the law in the process.
quote: And when those ways don't work...
quote: ...you must break the law.
quote: Do you have the slightest hint of proof he tried other things?
quote: such a choice puts you in the category of people who think they know better than everybody else
quote: So these EU states are perfectly content to allow a country - when it's the US - to use their airspace to kidnap people from around the world with no due process. But they will physically stop a plane carrying the president of a sovereign state - when it's from Latin America - in order to subvert the well-established process for seeking asylum from political persecution (and yes: the US persecutes whistleblowers).All of this smacks of exactly the kind of rank imperialism and colonialism that infuriates most of Latin America, and further exposes the emptiness of American and western European lectures about the sacred rule of law. This is rogue nation behavior.
quote: It's not just Clapper, but multiple "senior US officials", whose statements have been proven false by our reporting and Edward Snowden's disclosures.Indeed, the Guardian previously published top secret documents disproving the claims of NSA Director Gen. Keith Alexander that the agency is incapable of stating how many Americans are having their calls and emails invaded without warrants, as well as the oft-repeated claim from President Barack Obama that the NSA is not listening in on Americans' calls without warrants. Both of those assertions, as our prior reporting and Miller's article this week demonstrates, are indisputably false. Beyond that, the NSA got caught spreading falsehoods even in its own public talking points about its surveillance programs, and were forced by our disclosures to quietly delete those inaccuracies.Intentionally deceiving Congress is a felony, punishable by up to 5 years in prison for each offense. Reagan administration officials were convicted of misleading Congress as part of the Iran-contra scandal and other controversies, and sports stars have been prosecuted by the Obama DOJ based on allegations they have done so.Beyond its criminality, lying to Congress destroys the pretense of oversight.
quote: When such trade deals and treaties are implemented, how much weight is given to the opinions of advocates of civil rights, consumers, laborers, privacy experts, environmentalists, etc? I bet there's not much! Primary importance would be given to the interests of CEO's, industry leaders, large investors, and politicians.
quote: Since when did trade agreements have civil rights, laborers and privacy in there?
quote: The deal makers mostly focus on money while ignoring anything else.
quote: Most people here in Europe are shocked over the scale of the spying.